Subject: MtMan-List: Old Time Recipes and Remedies
Those LDS recipes are from grandmothers, so they may not be more than
say 100 years old. Indeed, the first of the recipes called for baking
powder, which was not invented until about 1850. I found the same
anachronism and others in a recipe book published by the Daughters of
the Texas Revolution in some of the recipes that were claimed to be
pre-1836.
Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:04:44 -0600
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Made meat elk hunting
Returned to work today after another long weekend of elk hunting in Idaho. My son, Alan, age 14, killed his first elk with his Traditions .50 cal flintlock. He made a great shot that took out the liver and heart. It was about a 30-35 yard shot. We had the pack goats with us and were able to make it out in one trip. This will be a mighty fine eatin' elk as it was a cow calf. Had the hangin' tenders last night for dinner. Life just don't get any better than that!!! My younger son was with us on the trip so got to expereince the thrill of it all too. He's ready for next year NOW when he can hnunt too.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
Southern Idaho
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:33:25 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Made meat elk hunting
Congratulations Alan and good job Dennis for being the kind of man that will
make a way for a boy to experience a thing like that. Don't get that in
front of a TV, even if it is a L&C special.
Wynn Ormond
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From: "Dennis Knapp" <dennis@clearsprings.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Made meat elk hunting
> Returned to work today after another long weekend of elk hunting in Idaho.
My son, Alan, age 14, killed his first elk with his Traditions .50 cal
flintlock. He made a great shot that took out the liver and heart. It was
about a 30-35 yard shot. We had the pack goats with us and were able to make
it out in one trip. This will be a mighty fine eatin' elk as it was a cow
calf. Had the hangin' tenders last night for dinner. Life just don't get any
better than that!!! My younger son was with us on the trip so got to
expereince the thrill of it all too. He's ready for next year NOW when he
can hnunt too.
> Regards,
> Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
> Southern Idaho
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:06:05 +0000
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hawk{fl}
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Hey Hawk
You faring well in Florida?
long time no hear from.
My Dimick is finished
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<DIV>Hi guys, I've been busy lately doing some tanning. I recently finished a couple of elk hides and a local buck. I have another buck skin soaking in a lime solution, waiting to be scraped. The elks were a bi*ch.... After a lot of work I still had some stiff areas, and decided these would be good for bow case, rifle case, etc.... I still had enough beautiful, soft leather for a pair of britches, which I am stitching up now. (after two complete brain tanning cycles). After talking to Oliver McCloskey, I learned that the bigger hides have to be brained again and again, etc... to get completely soft. I have been refering to <A href="http://www.braintan.com">www.braintan.com</A> periodically also. There is a good article there on the bigger hides, and it says the same thing. That's the reason for this post. If you aren't familiar with <A href="http://www.braintan.com">www.braintan.com</A>, you should be....lots of good info there. I bought several hides from Oliver McCloskey to make a coat. I'm still trying to decide on a pattern for that. If you are considering buying brain tanned hides, you ought to check out Oliver. He does great work, and has very fair prices. He advertises in Muzzle Loader Magazine, or if you need info. on him, just ask me. I'm wearing myself out doing these hides, but am learning a lot. I've done several hides before, but each new experience teaches me something new. I recently became aquainted with a rancher that harvests many deer a year. He is giving me the hides, because I'm going to teach him, and his son, the fundamentals of brain tanning. I ordered a new scraper from braintan.com, because I'll need two to help out these fellows this weekend. I ordered it Sunday night (online) and it was on my porch this afternoon (Wed.). Great service. If anyone has any great labor saving techniques on brain tanning, I'd love to hear them. Yfab, hardtack </DIV>
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:59:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fall turkeys and a surprise in the morning!
Dear List,
It was good to hear the boys from Idaho got some meat with the
muzzleloaders. A cow elk with a smoothbore is a heck of a kill. Then
DennisÆ son getting his first elk and with a flintlock was just great!
I went on one of my annual fall turkey hunts last weekend. I went
alone as usual. Got only two Ruffed Grouse but got them with one shot of
my fusee! Yee ha! I waited till they got lined up.
Did see four gobblers but they called back only once to me and kept on
their secretive way. Its incredibly hard to kill a gobbler in the fall in
the Rocky Mountains as these turkeys have no real patterns and actually
start their fall migrations to lower elevations right about now.
I then ran into about eight hens with over fifty poults unfortunately
they saw me first. The ground was crawling with turkeys! I charged the big
flock to try the old "bust up the flock" routine. It got them into three
or four groups and they scattered into the ponderosa's where the calling
began. I was doing the lost call and one old hen came right to me looking
into the business end of my .20 ga trade gun. She was very excited and
fearless in her search for lost poults. I had a lot of respect for that
old girl. I couldnÆt bring myself to shoot. I'm turning into a big softy
in my old age.
The turkeys no sooner disappeared then I wished I had taken one. So
much for being a softy! I ran into the dark ponderosa's after them. Now,
you would think it was impossible to run down wild turkeys UP a
mountainside at 6000' feet elevation and you would be correct! I tried it
anyway and actually caught them in my sight again. I could hardly hold my
fusee still as my heart was pounding so hard from my run. They were moving
slow due to the small size of the poults. They must have had a very late
hatch, as they were only as big as chickens! They stayed ahead of me and
some broke away from the flock. I had a chance at a shot and declined it
again and then began to wonder why I was up here if I wasnÆt going to
shoot. I got to practice my calling again. Talking to turkeys is half the
fun of hunting them I think. Soon they disappeared again and I wandered
around looking for bear sign.
A half hour later I went back to the last place I called the turkeys
and listened for them flying up on the roost. I did hear them a short time
later as the big hens flew up in the pines for the night. It is a neat
sound hearing turkeys flying up to roost but even better hearing them fly
down off the roost in the morning. I left them as the poults were so small
and they needed the hens for guidance. Yep, I'm a starving softy.
A week later I went to the same spot and not a turkey nor sign was in
sight. They probably went down lower, who knows. One thing about Merriam
turkeys, there isnÆt a ton of them in Montana and they have a lot of
country to hide out in. I searched about for grouse, turkeys or bears in
the berry thickets doing the lost call as I hunted but saw nothing. It was
a very calm evening in the Rockies not a bit of wind, a rare occasion. The
coyotes howled in the distance but none close enough to call in. Heard no
elk bugling but saw two bow hunters on a far mountainside. The aspens are
just starting to turn here; soon they will be in full autumn splendor. Not
nearly as beautiful as fall in the hardwood forest of the East and Midwest
but beautiful nonetheless.
I went to bed as the harvest moon began to rise over the mountains. I
was awakened sometime in the night to the sound of raindrops. When I awoke
again it was snowing very big flakes! This caught me off guard! IÆm not
ready for winter! There was 2ö inches of snow when I got up to hunt and it
was still coming down in big flakes. First snow of the year! I went
hunting and saw only a nice 4x4 whitetail. It was a wonderful time
walking in the winter wonderland. I came down out of the mountains around
11:00 AM empty handed but enjoyed the fall hunt and will go again soon.
It was just raining down on the flats but two other ranges in the west
where snow covered while two ranges to the east were not. It has all since
melted.
Good luck to all of you as you hit the trails.
Sincerely,
Beaverboy
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:02:29 EDT
From: Kadyscout@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: from Ken Davis Brain Tanning
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Hey Randal, I have a few minutes, so I'll be quick....if you don't
already know, storing hides can be a pain in the butt....I've solved
this.....get to your local feed store, or Ag store, and buy the 50 lbs. bags
of loose grainular salt...we call it Feed Salt...the loose kind....and scrape
your hides REAL CLEAN...getting ALL the fat and meet off...be sure to wash,
or rinse the hide off real good, on both sides, getting all the blood and
garbage OFF, trim it up, make it clean, REAL CLEAN...lay it fur side down,
spread it flat, and pour on the salt...I'm liberal with the salt, about a
half inch thick, spread it ALL OVER with my hand, all the way to the
edges.....then I fold one side to the middle, carefully, then the other side
to the outter opposite edge, and then carefully roll it up like a sleeping
bag, being careful not to spill out a lot of the salt on the ends.....then,
place this hide in a GUNNY SACK....put the gunny sack inside those big blue
30gal plastic trash cans, with the lid...tie the gunny sack shut...I twist it
tight, then tie it off with a leather thong, buckskin of course......before
hand, drill a few holes in the bottom of the barrel, and set the barrel on a
plastic milk crate, letting the salt water drain out of the gunny sack and
barrel.....it will weep for a few days, and then stop.....
And here's the BIG DEAL , when you take them out, TWO YEARS later,
the hair just falls right off...the mucus has broken down, and I can just
spray the hair off with water, and wipe it off with my hands....MUCH
EASIER..also, the salt washes right off and the hide is still soft and
pliable.....LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OFF THE DEER...........THEN, I can soak
the hide in COSTIC SODA.....or commonly called....Sodium Hydroxide.....which
does an excellent job....be careful, it will burn you in the grainular
form......THE BENEFIT...once the hair is out BEFORE you go to soak the hide,
the solution has an easier time GETTING INTO THE HAIR FOLECUL HOLE.......got
it? The little round peg is out of the whole, allowing more solution in, and
easier...doing a better job of getting the mucus out...which is already
broken down, over time........THEY COME OUT GREEEEEAAAAATTTTT!
Scrap super clean....SALT HEAVY....roll neatly....place in gunny sack,
place sack in big plastic barrel with holes in bottom, on top of a milk crate
to weep, and not over concrete, the salt water will destroy the concrete over
time, place over dirt, stores for A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME THIS WAY, and
comes out just fine....in the super hot summer, mid summer, I'll even spray
down the gunny sack with water, to add moisture..leaving the sack in the
barrel, no need to take it out, no josseling the sack around knocking out
salt.....the gunny sack soaks up the water...the hides, on the outter parts
of the sack get a little water, but nothing major...middle of the sack, won't
get super wet, just moist....the moisture, helps to keep moisture inside the
hides......the deer hair, becomes a natural blanket for the leather.....VERY
COOL SYSTEM.....BUT IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIGURE THIS OUT.....
Of course, you have to be willing to "build up" some hides, so that
you can let them set for the two years, minimum......It's taken me an
additional two years to learn that the hair just falls right out...the mucus
has broken down so well, that it loses it's grip on the hair foleculs, and
you can wipe it, or pull it, or spray it right out...and what doesn't come
out, which is very, very little, will just get soaked off.
Storage problem solved! I hated having to scrap off the hair after
the soak, this puts me on the beam twice.....I go to the beam only once, to
get all the fat and meat off..having to scrap that garbage off is the most
physical part of the process, except pulling soft, which we enjoy doing,
right?. I only want to be on the beam once per hide.
Recap: I scrap all fat and meat off...wash or spray the hide
CLEAN...salt heavy...fold in sides, roll neatly, place in gunny sack, place
sack in big plastic barrel, set barrel on milk crate, making sure the gunny
sack is tied shut.
Benefit; NO SMELL, NO BUGS, NO MESS, NEAT, STORES FOR YEARS, WON'T DRY
OUT, SALT WASHES/DISOLVES OFF, HAIR FALLS OUT AFTER TWO YEARS, NO SECOND TRIP
TO THE BEAM, WON'T HURT THE HIDE TO BE ON SALT FOR A LONG TIME, NO MEAT OR
FAT = NO ROTTING HIDE, and won't draw the bugs, it's the fat and meat that
rot, not the leather.
That's enough.....my storage troubles are over....thought you might
want to know the same....I don't have enough freezer space to store green
hides...and we have TWO freezers...that space is for MEAT!!!!
Any questions, give me a shout...I have other tips, but I'm
tired...see ya, Ken
ps. when I pull out a hide to start the process, I carefully unroll
the hide over my big salt barrel, in order to save any excess salt.....it's
cheap, I know, but I'm too tight to just throw good salt on the ground...Ha!
Let me know what you think...it works great for me...I'm VERY, VERY happy
now.....we've lost TOO MANY hides, only because we didn't know how to store
them right.
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<BR> Hey Randal, I have a few minutes, so I'll be quick....if you don't already know, storing hides can be a pain in the butt....I've solved this.....get to your local feed store, or Ag store, and buy the 50 lbs. bags of loose grainular salt...we call it Feed Salt...the loose kind....and scrape your hides REAL CLEAN...getting ALL the fat and meet off...be sure to wash, or rinse the hide off real good, on both sides, getting all the blood and garbage OFF, trim it up, make it clean, REAL CLEAN...lay it fur side down, spread it flat, and pour on the salt...I'm liberal with the salt, about a half inch thick, spread it ALL OVER with my hand, all the way to the edges.....then I fold one side to the middle, carefully, then the other side to the outter opposite edge, and then carefully roll it up like a sleeping bag, being careful not to spill out a lot of the salt on the ends.....then, place this hide in a GUNNY SACK....put the gunny sack inside those big blue 30gal plastic trash cans, with the lid...tie the gunny sack shut...I twist it tight, then tie it off with a leather thong, buckskin of course......before hand, drill a few holes in the bottom of the barrel, and set the barrel on a plastic milk crate, letting the salt water drain out of the gunny sack and barrel.....it will weep for a few days, and then stop.....
<BR> And here's the BIG DEAL , when you take them out, TWO YEARS later, the hair just falls right off...the mucus has broken down, and I can just spray the hair off with water, and wipe it off with my hands....MUCH EASIER..also, the salt washes right off and the hide is still soft and pliable.....LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OFF THE DEER...........THEN, I can soak the hide in COSTIC SODA.....or commonly called....Sodium Hydroxide.....which does an excellent job....be careful, it will burn you in the grainular form......THE BENEFIT...once the hair is out BEFORE you go to soak the hide, the solution has an easier time GETTING INTO THE HAIR FOLECUL HOLE.......got it? The little round peg is out of the whole, allowing more solution in, and easier...doing a better job of getting the mucus out...which is already broken down, over time........THEY COME OUT GREEEEEAAAAATTTTT!
<BR> Scrap super clean....SALT HEAVY....roll neatly....place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel with holes in bottom, on top of a milk crate to weep, and not over concrete, the salt water will destroy the concrete over time, place over dirt, stores for A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME THIS WAY, and comes out just fine....in the super hot summer, mid summer, I'll even spray down the gunny sack with water, to add moisture..leaving the sack in the barrel, no need to take it out, no josseling the sack around knocking out salt.....the gunny sack soaks up the water...the hides, on the outter parts of the sack get a little water, but nothing major...middle of the sack, won't get super wet, just moist....the moisture, helps to keep moisture inside the hides......the deer hair, becomes a natural blanket for the leather.....VERY COOL SYSTEM.....BUT IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIGURE THIS OUT.....
<BR> Of course, you have to be willing to "build up" some hides, so that you can let them set for the two years, minimum......It's taken me an additional two years to learn that the hair just falls right out...the mucus has broken down so well, that it loses it's grip on the hair foleculs, and you can wipe it, or pull it, or spray it right out...and what doesn't come out, which is very, very little, will just get soaked off.
<BR> Storage problem solved! I hated having to scrap off the hair after the soak, this puts me on the beam twice.....I go to the beam only once, to get all the fat and meat off..having to scrap that garbage off is the most physical part of the process, except pulling soft, which we enjoy doing, right?. I only want to be on the beam once per hide.
<BR> Recap: I scrap all fat and meat off...wash or spray the hide CLEAN...salt heavy...fold in sides, roll neatly, place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel, set barrel on milk crate, making sure the gunny sack is tied shut.
<BR> Benefit; NO SMELL, NO BUGS, NO MESS, NEAT, STORES FOR YEARS, WON'T DRY OUT, SALT WASHES/DISOLVES OFF, HAIR FALLS OUT AFTER TWO YEARS, NO SECOND TRIP TO THE BEAM, WON'T HURT THE HIDE TO BE ON SALT FOR A LONG TIME, NO MEAT OR FAT = NO ROTTING HIDE, and won't draw the bugs, it's the fat and meat that rot, not the leather.
<BR> That's enough.....my storage troubles are over....thought you might want to know the same....I don't have enough freezer space to store green hides...and we have TWO freezers...that space is for MEAT!!!!
<BR> Any questions, give me a shout...I have other tips, but I'm tired...see ya, Ken
<BR> ps. when I pull out a hide to start the process, I carefully unroll the hide over my big salt barrel, in order to save any excess salt.....it's cheap, I know, but I'm too tight to just throw good salt on the ground...Ha! Let me know what you think...it works great for me...I'm VERY, VERY happy now.....we've lost TOO MANY hides, only because we didn't know how to store them right.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:34:37 -0700
From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: MtMan-List: Boots
Hello the Camp;
I'm just getting started in buckskinning and am interested in the
Southwestern [Taos] look. In particular I was wondering where one
might find a decent pair of boots that would be appropriate for this
type of personna.
Thanks,
John Prince
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