I agree, I was just stating that if one stretches leather it is not as likely
to stretch as much. I have made a pair of braintan leggins and stretched
them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched
and fit great.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I agree, I was just stating that if one stretches leather it is not as likely to stretch as much. I have made a pair of braintan leggins and stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched and fit great.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:06:52 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question
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In a message dated 9/20/2002 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes:
> stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they
> have stretched and fit great
Bingo! It's some work stretching, but well worth the effort. And then no
need for lining or that 'load in your pants' look! <G> Barn
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched and fit great</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Bingo! It's some work stretching, but well worth the effort. And then no need for lining or that 'load in your pants' look! <G> Barn</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:19:32 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: leather question...smoking tip
In a message dated 9/19/02 10:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes:
<< On smoking the hides sew the hide
into a tube and attach a small canvas tube (this will be over the smoke
source) use real punky wood and smoke away. >>
To keep from scorching or cooking your hide...put a 6-8' stove pipe with a
90 degree bend in it into the cloth tube...this prevents scorching from
flareups and gives smoke time to cool a bit. Other end, of course, goes into
smoke source. You can even walk off and leave the hide if need be.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:25:25 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: WAS leather question NOW lining breeches
In a message dated 9/20/02 10:25:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us writes:
<< Could you not also line
the inside of the pants with muslin/linen to reduce stretching or
is this not correct? >>
You could indeed and would be very period correct. Often, the lining of a
garment was sewn to its corresponding outer panel before being all sewn
together. This was treated as a single piece of cloth. So you'd not have an
"independent" lining that moved on its own as we have in suit coats today.For
comfort sake, cut lining a bit (not by much 1/8-1/4") than the outer panel.
This will also produce some of the warmest breeches you have ever worn!!! <BG>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:31:27 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question
In a message dated 9/20/02 11:06:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mountedranger@hotmail.com writes:
<< I suspect that the people using these garments historically wouldn't have
had the same pair of trousers long enough to worry about stretching
waistbands... probably
would've worn out fairly quick being worn all day everyday. Again, thanks
for all the comments. Scott McMahon >>
Some may not have. I suspect that other methods than braintan were used to
produce a goodly portion of the leather used in garments. Even so, journals
indicate that some people kept them long enough to have them dyed to cover
the stains they had accumulated while hunting/farming. Don't forget, these
things tended and tend to wear in particular spots. Patching a garment was
VERY COMMON in the 18th century. I'd imagine the worn spots woulda been
covered with a patch.
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<DIV>To whoever was asking about a kids rifle. I just saw this on the on-line round robin:</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Marvis Chance </STRONG> - September 20, 2002<BR><A href="mailto:mrcvcoa1@hotmail.com">mrcvcoa1@hotmail.com</A><BR>FOR SALE JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS: Dixie Super Cub 50 cal. flint rifle. Just the thing for a child, the lady in your life, or to use as an excellent brush gun. This is just the ticket for Christmas to bring that smile to the face of someone who is special . 28 1/2" octagon barrel, 7/8" across the flats. Double set triggers, and the lock is a great sparker. Overall 44". The wood looks to be European walnut, the the brass furniture is engraved, includes nose cap, thimbles, buttplate, toe plate,trigger guard and patchbox. It has a satin oil finish and weighs about 7 lbs. Looks brand new. Asking $250.00 </DIV>
<DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV>
<DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV>
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:14:52 EDT
From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon, etc
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I almost forgot, Fredricksburg,Texas has a place called Opa's meats, most
grocery stores carry Opa's sausage, I have purchased dried sausage from them,
I have had some at least two years old hanging in the garage, and still
good. check it out Opa's smoked meats-------><A HREF="http://www.opassmokedmeats.net/">Home</A>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I almost forgot, Fredricksburg,Texas has a place called Opa's meats, most grocery stores carry Opa's sausage, I have purchased dried sausage from them, I have had some at least two years old hanging in the garage, and still good. check it out Opa's smoked meats-------><A HREF="http://www.opassmokedmeats.net/">Home</A> </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:08:20 -0600
From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@wyoming.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: L&C film
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I agree completely. I did some early consulting on the film with
National Geographic. It quickly became apparent that they were
interested in neither historic or geographic accuracy (the pictures of
the Corps of Discovery portaging the Great Falls of the Missouri were
taken near Idaho Falls!). I was so convinced that the film was going to
be a disaster that I asked (insisted) that my name not be used in any
endorsement, advertisement, or credits for the film. Haven't seen it
after my last screening of the tape so I don't know whether they
complied with my wishes or not. But, Crazy, you are right. A bad, bad
piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done much better.
John L. Allen
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Sorry to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk
across the street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and
Nezperce villages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the
Villages as they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and
willingness to even give a clear picture of the history of these people
and what the Shoshoni were going threw at the time when they helped the
expedition. To say the least I was very let down to think this movie was
produced by National Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am
not surprised that the rest of the movie was of no historic value too.
