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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1069 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, August 4 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1069 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: copper frying pan -áááááá MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The wind is everything -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The wind is everything -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO -áááááá MtMan-List: Laguna Mountain Rendezvous - October 2002 -áááááá MtMan-List: Transport Utility Trailer for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:16:09 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: copper frying pan Duncan wrote, <So hang a frypan on the top of a small tree and it will still be there fifty or a hundred years later.?> Touche' :-) Frank - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:41:51 -0700 From: "busterize" <busterize@oldwest.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Independence, MO Since many of the emigrant and trappers' supply trains left from Independecne, can anyone tell me what the terrain is like around there -- hilly, grassy plains or prairies? Oh, & thanks for the info Barney -- and believe me, I wouldn't shoot a coyote unless he was actually threatening me or my dogs. These just "follow" us, yipping, growling, barking and acting like we are trespassers. Geri - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:24:41 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO Hilly, grassy, well forested. Humid, hot, infested with every crawling, flying, biting, stinging, poisonous insect and reptile known to creation. As long as you don't insist on being at the top of the food chain you'll get along fine. John... At 03:41 PM 8/2/02, you wrote: >Since many of the emigrant and trappers' supply trains left from >Independecne, can anyone tell me what the terrain is like around there -- >hilly, grassy plains or prairies? > >Oh, & thanks for the info Barney -- and believe me, I wouldn't shoot a >coyote unless he was actually threatening me or my dogs. These just >"follow" us, yipping, growling, barking and acting like we are trespassers. > >Geri > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. john <kramer@kramerize.com> AMM "The Great Buffalo Raffle": <http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html>http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:30:07 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO Ahh. The MO. I remember... Thanks for reminding me why I am not going back, John..<GG> D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO > Hilly, grassy, well forested. Humid, hot, infested with every crawling, > flying, biting, stinging, poisonous insect and reptile known to > creation. As long as you don't insist on being at the top of the food > chain you'll get along fine. > > John... > > > At 03:41 PM 8/2/02, you wrote: > >Since many of the emigrant and trappers' supply trains left from > >Independecne, can anyone tell me what the terrain is like around there -- > >hilly, grassy plains or prairies? > > > >Oh, & thanks for the info Barney -- and believe me, I wouldn't shoot a > >coyote unless he was actually threatening me or my dogs. These just > >"follow" us, yipping, growling, barking and acting like we are trespassers. > > > >Geri > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. > john <kramer@kramerize.com> > > AMM "The Great Buffalo Raffle": > <http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html>http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-h unt.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:32:07 -0600 From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO on 8/2/02 4:30 PM, Double Edge Forge at deforge1@bright.net wrote: > Ahh. The MO. I remember... Thanks for reminding me why I am not going back, > John..<GG> > D > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO > > >> Hilly, grassy, well forested. Humid, hot, infested with every crawling, >> flying, biting, stinging, poisonous insect and reptile known to >> creation. As long as you don't insist on being at the top of the food >> chain you'll get along fine. >> >> John... >> >> >> At 03:41 PM 8/2/02, you wrote: >>> Since many of the emigrant and trappers' supply trains left from >>> Independecne, can anyone tell me what the terrain is like around there -- >>> hilly, grassy plains or prairies? >>> >>> Oh, & thanks for the info Barney -- and believe me, I wouldn't shoot a >>> coyote unless he was actually threatening me or my dogs. These just >>> "follow" us, yipping, growling, barking and acting like we are > trespassers. >>> >>> Geri >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------- >>> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. >> john <kramer@kramerize.com> >> >> AMM "The Great Buffalo Raffle": >> > <http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html>http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-h > unt.html >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Dennis, Salt Lake temperature today was 87 Deg. at 15% humidity, no critters to eat us. Still could use a Blacksmith in the near future. Ole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:35:46 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO - --part1_d4.1b1f3b7b.2a7c7f62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/2002 1:51:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, busterize@oldwest.net writes: > I wouldn't shoot a coyote....These just "follow" us, yipping, growling, > barking and acting like we are trespassers. that'd be 'cuz you, like the rest of us, are <GGG> Barn - --part1_d4.1b1f3b7b.2a7c7f62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 8/2/2002 1:51:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, busterize@oldwest.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I wouldn't shoot a coyote....These just "follow" us, yipping, growling, barking and acting like we are trespassers.</BLOCKQUOTE> that'd be 'cuz you, like the rest of us, are <GGG> Barn </HTML> - --part1_d4.1b1f3b7b.2a7c7f62_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:43:25 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO > >> Hilly, grassy, well forested. Humid, hot, infested with every crawling, > >> flying, biting, stinging, insect and known to creation. Geez... that sounds like Fort Folle Avoinne in Wisconsin where the MidWest was... They had VAMPIRE flies there that took showers in 100% DEET and begged for more... Regards, Ad - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:36:14 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO - --part1_14b.11d8a5f3.2a7ca9ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm no trepasser. The Creator put me on this earth, my forefathers fought and sweated to conquer this land, I bought and paid for my little piece of it. I've got as much right to live on it as any ol' 'yote. Respectfully, jr sweet - --part1_14b.11d8a5f3.2a7ca9ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>I'm no trepasser. The Creator put me on this earth, my forefathers fought and sweated to conquer this land, I bought and paid for my little piece of it. I've got as much right to live on it as any ol' 'yote. Respectfully, jr sweet</HTML> - --part1_14b.11d8a5f3.2a7ca9ae_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 06:05:20 -0700 From: "Daniel L. "Concho" Smith" <hrd7@lycos.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The wind is everything On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:44:47 GazeingCyot wrote: >Concho >Sorry to say but all that stuff is made for one reason and that is to get you to buy it. For when you start walking or doing any thing that causes your body to warm up you give of odor and they can smell ya. I have had my best luck with just rubbing elk urine on me when hunting but ya got to do it regularly or your stink will come through... >See ya on the trail >Crazy Cyot > Crazy, Been out in the field doing research on a new fine in the northwest section of the state, an unknown village just discovered. We have to mark and ident. the area on maps then bring in the college students to start the dig. Reason for not coming right back with an answer. Whatever you/me or whoever uses has a marketing background Crazy, that's what pays the bills, not ours but theirs. Probably the one person we both know that has shot as much or more game animals over the years is Buck C., the reason I say that is he hunted for the state of PA after coming back from E. Asia as an animal control agent, didn't try and save them in the 60's, just got rid of the problems and he was good at his job. He would probably agree with you on most of what you said except for the soap that takes out the "brighteners" that regular soap adds when clothes are washed. I've seen him and several of his hunting friends crawl up close enough to have made meat with a hawk on antelope, granded they are not as leary as white tail, but still the animals never looked their way in the process of getting close. What I had mentioned was what I see when in the field checking hunters in our seasons here in PA, the bow hunters with some of the items mentioned seem to have the most success. Most animal urine will work, in E. Asia the VC could pick up our sense from our urine and other waste because of our diet - reason why special forces started eating the same thing they ate. As far as smoking, that's been an on going "do and don't" subject for decades, probably today more than ever before; maybe some parents use it as a "carrot" to keep the kids from smoking. <GGG>. Concho __________________________________________________________ Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis Style! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:47:47 -0700 From: "Jay Geisinger" <poorboy@ieway.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The wind is everything Klahowya, Gentleman, please do not forget to consider the then-v-now factor. Then most animals were not as trained to fear man and the things associated with them. Most of the animals in the Rockies had only been exposed to Indians and trappers. Indians live inside chimmneys (teepee), smoked their wearing apparell and smoked various forms of tobbacco. It would seem that their biggest obstacle was sight as they often used camaflage and animal hides to creep closer to animals. With buffalo jumps I do not think wind was a factor, they crept up and then drove the herd in the correct direction. If they had to wait for the right wind most of the jumps would not have gotten used. I do not believe that Indian and trapper were very concerned with their smell or tobacco use. The majority of period accounts and the supply lists indicate that tabbacco was a desired item. There are mixed accounts on body odor and bathing, as some complain about the odor of others and some do not. Obviosly some had more delicate noses (probably non-smokers and new comers) than others. And they probably bathed more often. Accounts also indicate that bathing was done before approaching known groups of people, like rendezvous, forts etc. Don't you think that when someone took the time to note how smelly their aquaintances were they would have further noted that the party was starving and that it was due to not getting close enough to animals to make meat. The thought probably never occured to them, which would mean it was not a problem. PoorBoy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:37:24 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Independence, MO - --part1_12a.152166df.2a7d6ed4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:37:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hawkengun@aol.com writes: > I've got as much right to live on it as any ol' 'yote. JR, Seems you took my comment WAY too seriously. In case you aren't familiar with internet symbolism, the <GGG> at the end of my post indicated a tongue-in-cheek grin......... Barney - --part1_12a.152166df.2a7d6ed4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:37:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hawkengun@aol.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've got as much right to live on it as any ol' 'yote</BLOCKQUOTE>. JR, Seems you took my comment WAY too seriously. In case you aren't familiar with internet symbolism, the <GGG> at the end of my post indicated a tongue-in-cheek grin......... Barney</HTML> - --part1_12a.152166df.2a7d6ed4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:20:50 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Laguna Mountain Rendezvous - October 2002 - --part1_ce.2a71885a.2a7e21c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all who may be attending the LAGUNA MOUNTAIN RENDEZVOUS, in the Mesa Grande/Santa Ysabel area of Southern California, please take note, AND PASS THE WORD, that there will be NO OPEN FIRES at the event this coming October. Propane, Butane, etc will be permitted. If you have any questions, contact the Booshway, Mitch Foster @ (661) 763-3634. Barney - --part1_ce.2a71885a.2a7e21c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>For all who may be attending the LAGUNA MOUNTAIN RENDEZVOUS, in the Mesa Grande/Santa Ysabel area of Southern California, please take note, AND PASS THE WORD, that there will be NO OPEN FIRES at the event this coming October. Propane, Butane, etc will be permitted. If you have any questions, contact the Booshway, Mitch Foster @ (661) 763-3634. Barney </HTML> - --part1_ce.2a71885a.2a7e21c2_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:19:29 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Transport Utility Trailer for sale pleasae excuse the cross posting and the obvious commercialism here... I have a 1997 Mohawk (I think), 6 X 12 X 7 utility trailer for sale if anyone is interested. It has dual axels (rated for 6000#), electric brakes, and a spare tire. The interior has been shelved for ease of loading and unloading, and upper carriers (inside) for tent poles, ridge poles, etc... up to 11'6" long. It is registered in W Va with a permanent plate. If anyone is interested, contace me OFF LIST at admiller@citynet.net . I'll be posting pix on a back page of my web site and I'll post the address later when pix are there. I will deliver, if necessary, within a radius of 300 miles of Alderson, WV, but prefer you come pick it up... *grins* regards, Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1069 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.