<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><< I'm not entirely sure about the "true" part Magpie, but it is a great <BR>
story. >><BR>
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Haaaaaaa....good point. But, Newman does goes on to name one of the men as <BR>
Edmund Charles Bovey...apparently a "more enlightened pillar of the Canadian <BR>
Establishment". If the story is true, I'd like to see the frying pan.....<BR>
I'd like to see the tree that grows from the bottom! Think about it! I'm sure most of us have a favorite tree limb in our favorite deer camp that we've used for the last 25 or so years. Has that limb gotten much higher in that time we've been using it? Possibly a few inches due to the larger diameter of that particular limb or maybe the soil has eroded a bit under the tree, and, granted, some of us have shrunk over the years, but that limb is basically the same height now as it was 25 years ago. Trees grow from the TOP, not the bottom, so how'd that skillet get that high in the tree. The tree didn't grow it up there. Maybe there was a hell of a snow storm & the skillet was hung at snow level?<BR>
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Michael, Patterns are available at places like <A HREF="http://www.jastown.com/">Jas. Townsend & Son</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">, <A HREF="http:/www.crazycrow.com">Crazy Crow Trading</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">, and <A HREF="http://www.catalogcity.com/ViewCover.cfm?VID=150674">Panther Primitives</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"> among others. If you decide to do braintan, which IS about the most comfortable stuff you'll ever wear, you might check <A HREF="http://www.braintan.com/toc.html">Braintan.com</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"> for hints and tips on working with the material.<BR>
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Personally, while I wear braintan on cooler evenings and during winter camp, I also wear quite a bit of cotton/linen clothing because I get WAY hot on 70+ days. I found <A HREF="http://www.whitefoxtrading.com/">White Fox Trading</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"> for some nice fabrics. Then you can make things like narrowfalls, southwestern, etc. to fit, and your lovely Senora will find something else to heckle you about.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:27:22 -0700
From: Alan Avery <aravery@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: copper frying pan
"...Please tell Barbara thanks for the kind words. Yup.... I'm a member of
the
Black River party, NW Brigade, and a finer bunch of mountaineers you'd be
hard pressed to fine....(VBG) This far west of the Rocky's, we do a lot of
HBCo stuff....even a Longboat reenactment up the River Chehalis (1824, Mr.
Work commanding) that was about as much fun on an oar as a guy could
stand..."
Never been in a longboat, sounds real interesting, I have logged a lot of
miles in canoes though, which is a mode of travel that I heartily recommend.
(should be second nature for Bay men!<S>)
I am hoping to get down to Ft Nisqually for the brigade encampment, won't
happen this year due to other committments, but next year God willing and
the crick don't run dry, I hope to be there.
Take Care,
Black Knife
aka Alan
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:48:49 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pantaloons?
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Michael
Glad ya liked the site, we have had a good time doing it, not so much the
site as the getting out on the trail a learning and doing it, that's been the
fun part for us. Always glad to share I sued a pattern from Eagle Feather
Trading post out of Ogden Utah a lot of trades carry there patterns. I used
two very large deer hides (I still wonder how I got them away from Jill as a
rule she take all the big hides to make dresses out of) and one small hide
for the waste band. Alan gave ya a good pointer on the waste band I
sandwiched a peace of canvas in mine. Another pointer the pattern calls for a
double layer on the flap of the bord falls but I only used a signal layer it
laid better and took less leather. Next pointer I sewed the top all together
down to mid thigh then pined the legs to get them to fit tight like I wanted
them to fit. Like you see in the Miller pictures and how a lot of pontoons
were made in the early 1800's. when I sewed them I left the bottom eight
inches or so open and use two button to close the bottom of the pant leg.
This make it easier to get them on and off with the tight fitting legs.
By all mean if you can use brain tan, hope this helps.
<BR>Glad ya liked the site, we have had a good time doing it, not so much the site as the getting out on the trail a learning and doing it, that's been the fun part for us. Always glad to share I sued a pattern from Eagle Feather Trading post out of Ogden Utah a lot of trades carry there patterns. I used two very large deer hides (I still wonder how I got them away from Jill as a rule she take all the big hides to make dresses out of) and one small hide for the waste band. Alan gave ya a good pointer on the waste band I sandwiched a peace of canvas in mine. Another pointer the pattern calls for a double layer on the flap of the bord falls but I only used a signal layer it laid better and took less leather. Next pointer I sewed the top all together down to mid thigh then pined the legs to get them to fit tight like I wanted them to fit. Like you see in the Miller pictures and how a lot of pontoons were made in the early 1800's. when I sewed them I left the bottom eight inches or so open and use two button to close the bottom of the pant leg. This make it easier to get them on and off with the tight fitting legs.
<BR>By all mean if you can use brain tan, hope this helps.
<BR>See ya down the trail
<BR>Crazy Cyot </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:25:01 EDT
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pantaloons?
Michael,
Lots of good tips reagrding making pantaloons are coming up. I'll throw in
two more that I think are important. Allen mentioned using linen thread.
I'm sure he would agree you should wax the thread as you go. Also, if you use
braintan, I suggest inserting a thin piece of leather in all your seams.
There's a name for that piece but it escapes me right now. Along the outside
leg, the fringe will suffice. But on the inside and the inseam, stitching a
thin piece of leather in will help reduce the stress on the leather. The
leather is less likely to tear through where the needle holes have perforated
the leather.
Jim
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:23:54 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: copper frying pan
C.W. Cushing said,
<The frying pan must been hung on a sapling by some long ago HBC Trader,
The little spruce quietly continued
growing...and growing......>
Sorry, C.W.
Thet's got to be a woodsy urban legend. There are a lot of stories about
things being found high in trees. Don't happen that way. Trees grow from the
top. A nail put in a small tree three feet off the ground will still be
three feet off the ground fifty or a hundred years later.
But, its a nice story.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Follow Up on Hugh Glass
Michael, Will you be at Bridger for the entire
rendezvous? Win Blevins had much success there on
several occasions. I look forward to getting my copy
of "The Revenant" at that time. Dog, Hiv. #617
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> Mark -- Thanks for your note concerning The
> Revenant. I will be zooming past Fort Collins, but
> unfortunately it will be very late on Thursday
> night, hell bent for Wyoming. I do have a
> suggestion, though, if you're interested. I noticed
> that the Tattered Cover's web page offers a way to
> order a signed book (click on tatteredcover.com,
> then "TC events", then "August 1", then "order
> signed copy"). You order the book, which is waiting
> for me to sign at Tattered Cover. I assume they can
> then ship. I don't know if this is of interest, but
> did want to at least mention it. Thanks again for
> your interest in the book. Best Regards, Michael
Great story, but as if I didn't have anything better to do, I have
watched a few trees grow. They mostly grow by sending new growth up and
out, not by lengthening the existing growth. The limbs get fatter, but
an old place on the limb mostly stays put.
So the frying pan would have stayed where it was originally put.
I can prove this to you, but it will take more than a few years for the
tree to grow.
Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner
>The frying pan must been hung on a sapling by some long ago HBC Trader,
and
>had inadvertently been left behind. The little spruce quietly continued
>growing...and growing......
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:09:02 -0700
From: "busterize" <busterize@oldwest.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Killing coyotes
While I am an excellent shot with a handgun I have never used a rifle (hate
to admit that, having grown up in a family full of hunters) and, while I
have little aversion to killing coyotes, we just aren't that deep in the
woods here (damn progress all over -- got to protect the wild beasties and
not disturb the neighbors). I thank whomever suggested the airhorn. I think
I'll try it.
Anyone got any answer to the pack forms (on pack animals) used back in the
fur trapping days?
Geri
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:29:26 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pantaloons?
At 02:25 AM 7/31/2002 EDT, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>Lots of good tips reagrding making pantaloons are coming up. I'll throw in
>two more that I think are important. Allen mentioned using linen thread.
>I'm sure he would agree you should wax the thread as you go. Also, if you use
>braintan, I suggest inserting a thin piece of leather in all your seams.
>There's a name for that piece but it escapes me right now. Along the outside
>leg, the fringe will suffice. But on the inside and the inseam, stitching a
>thin piece of leather in will help reduce the stress on the leather. The
>leather is less likely to tear through where the needle holes have perforated
>the leather.
>
>Jim
Jim is right about waxing the thread. I always do it, but forgot to mention
it. The piece of leather in the seam is called a welt, and like Jim said, I
highly recommend it for all leather clothing, moccasins, coats, etc.\\
Allen
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:31:28 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pantaloons?
At 01:48 AM 7/31/2002 EDT, Crazy wrote:
.
>This make it easier to get them on and off with the tight fitting legs.
>See ya down the trail
>Crazy Cyot
You take them off.....................?
Allen
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:44:58 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Killing coyotes
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In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:24:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
busterize@oldwest.net writes:
> I thank whomever suggested the airhorn
That would be me Geri, and the Forest Ranger recommended air horn trick
works! We used it on a Blackie that was meandering through our YMCA camp
daily a couple of weeks ago. He had been in/around camp every day until I
blasted him outside the dining hall early one morning; never to be seen
again, for the rest of our time up there, anyway!
Granted that while coyotes are a problem, as many have said, shooting them
just isn't an option in all circumstances.
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:24:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, busterize@oldwest.net writes:<BR>
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That would be me Geri, and the Forest Ranger recommended air horn trick works! We used it on a Blackie that was meandering through our YMCA camp daily a couple of weeks ago. He had been in/around camp every day until I blasted him outside the dining hall early one morning; never to be seen again, for the rest of our time up there, anyway!<BR>
<BR>
Granted that while coyotes are a problem, as many have said, shooting them just isn't an option in all circumstances.<BR>
<BR>
Barney</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:26:29 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Killing coyotes
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I wish you boy's would use a different Subject line that Killing coyotes one
is starting to make me nervous!
Let me know when it's safe for me to come out of my hole.
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I wish you boy's would use a different Subject line that Killing coyotes one is starting to make me nervous!
<BR>Let me know when it's safe for me to come out of my hole.
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:34:00 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Living off the land
Klahowya Boys,
Living off the land in the Great North West is tough, but somebody has got to
do it.....<G> Does this count as "making meat" or what???
