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hist_text-digest Tuesday, July 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1052
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Re: Fw: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
-áááááá MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:33:52 -0400
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
Although a Interesting trip indeed. The mileage covered {231 miles}
in 31 days walking and canoeing is rather poor.
Even having to line a canoe and portage... still extremely slow.
Apparently they were on more of a extended camping trip, than a true
cane trip. Never the less a interesting read.
Windwalker
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On 6/30/02 at 10:30 AM Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/3574111.htm
>
>If you have a few minutes to spare click on the address above and read
>about
>the month long canoe trip across west Texas taken by Bob Hood, Ft Worth
>Star
>Telegram outdoors writer, and his friend, Jerry Dean. Hood's day by dairy
>make good reading. Pay close attention to a statement near the end of the
>piece where he estimates that about 100 miles of the 232 mile trip were
>spent walking, not paddling. West Texas is famous for stretches of river
>that are less wet than they are merely damp. These boys used GPS locators
>and probably all the nylon & plastic that they could find, but they did a
>fine trip anyhow. In case you are concerned about Hood's mention of
>shooting squirrels in May, be aware that much of Texas has no closed=
season
>on squirrels, and most of those that do have spring seasons as well as
>fall
>seasons.
>I have mentioned this river before and think it has one of the most
>melodious names found on any map.... El Rio de Los Brazos de Dios (The
>River
>of the Arms of God)......but pronounced by almost every non-Hispanic=
Texan
>as "Bry-zis". The Brazos passes with 15 miles of my house, but I am many
>miles south of Possum Kingdom Lake where Hood ended his trip.
>A slow rain has been falling here since about 3:00am. I wish you boys out
>west could get some of it.
>YMOH
>Lanney Ratcliff
>
>ps: Possum Kingdom Lake is impounded in canyon country and is deep and
>clear, making it a mecca for scuba divers (you know "Some Come Up Barely
>Alive"). For reasons nobody has every satisfactorily explained to me, one
>of the best know underwater landmarks in the lake is the rusting hulk of a
>'55 Chevrolet. Since the lake was impounded in the '40's somebody had to
>PUT the car in the lake. Makes you wonder.
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:20:34 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
Windwalker wrote:
Although a Interesting trip indeed. The mileage covered {231 miles}
in 31 days walking and canoeing is rather poor.
Even having to line a canoe and portage... still extremely slow.
Apparently they were on more of a extended camping trip, than a true
cane trip. Never the less a interesting read.
Windwalker
Extremely slow is an understatement. They could have made better time if
the canoe had been equipped with wheels but, like you said, they didn't
appear to be in much of a hurry. With that much time on their hands I wish
Bob Hood had expanded his diary a little. He is a pretty good writer.
Lanney
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:55:09 -0700
From: Alan Avery <aravery@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
"...For reasons nobody has every satisfactorily explained to me, one
of the best know underwater landmarks in the lake is the rusting hulk of a
'55 Chevrolet. Since the lake was impounded in the '40's somebody had to
PUT the car in the lake. Makes you wonder..."
Maybe Jimmy Hoffa is in the trunk!
Alan
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make
things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve
rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be
attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- --Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment
(1764).
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:28:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
I read only a few pages of the article. It has nothing to do with the
Mountainman list. They had a plastic canoe, a ton of too much gear and all
high tech I'm sure. It even appeared they had a back rest on the front
seat. Don't get me wrong I would enjoy reading that kind of article but
not on a mountainman page. I think we should stick to the era. But thats
just my humble opinion.
Sincerely,
Beaverboy
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:33:58 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
I tried to make it clear in my post that high tech gear and other non period
goods were used on the Texas Canoe Trip. I also thought it was clear that
the article was in a public newspaper and I merely provided a link to the
Star Telegram for anybody interested in reading it. However, it seems I did
not make myself clear enough to everybody. I apologize to all those who
were offended. Personally, I learned a new trick from the article.....that
of following Gar fish to find the easiest path through shallows. I don't
know if it will actually work, but it is at least as good a guess and will
make a really good campfire tale.
Not many of us have truly period canoes.....mine is a dark green plastic Old
Towne....and some of us use a backrest of some sort. And who is to say how
much gear is too much? If a man (or his canoe) can tote it then it's not
too much.
That's my humble opinion.
Lanney
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
> I read only a few pages of the article. It has nothing to do with the
> Mountainman list. They had a plastic canoe, a ton of too much gear and all
> high tech I'm sure. It even appeared they had a back rest on the front
> seat. Don't get me wrong I would enjoy reading that kind of article but
> not on a mountainman page. I think we should stick to the era. But thats
> just my humble opinion.
> Sincerely,
> Beaverboy
>
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:41:13 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
I thought it was a great article, Lanney, and thanks for linking to
it. Modern or PC... who cares? It was a trip that many of us would
like to do, I am sure. Hopefully, in the Spring, a friend and I will
be do a trek on either the New River or the GreenBrier River here in
WV... 4-5 days though... not a month :)
Regards,
Ad
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:49:26 -0400
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
If i can get 700 lbs in my wood n canvas canoe.. I do so. Depending on=
length of
outting.
Period Canoes::
There is really no way to have a period canoe, if one thinks about it for=
the mountainman era..
They all are still made using modern methods.. Wood/Canvas canoes are=
acceptted at all most all
events..
I carry a small wood cook stove, on a lot of my trips...They have been used=
since the rev are days.
Seems the post was ok.. agter all is it not the "outing" or adventure that=
was the point?
Myself ive taken several over 4 months canoe trips.. and used as much gear=
as i could that would have been used say 1850. But i sure didnt suffer,=
and ate like a big dog should.
I liked the article myself.. would have been a good one for the backwoods=
list.
In closing.. if no one posting {and they aint much} Post away , it was=
highly interesting, though i wish they had had photos..... BUT GEEZZZ that=
would not be period would it?
Windwalker
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On 6/30/02 at 10:33 PM Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>I tried to make it clear in my post that high tech gear and other non
>period
>goods were used on the Texas Canoe Trip. I also thought it was clear
>that
>the article was in a public newspaper and I merely provided a link to the
>Star Telegram for anybody interested in reading it. However, it seems I
>did
>not make myself clear enough to everybody. I apologize to all those who
>were offended. Personally, I learned a new trick from the=
article.....that
>of following Gar fish to find the easiest path through shallows. I don't
>know if it will actually work, but it is at least as good a guess and will
>make a really good campfire tale.
>Not many of us have truly period canoes.....mine is a dark green plastic
>Old
>Towne....and some of us use a backrest of some sort. And who is to say=
how
>much gear is too much? If a man (or his canoe) can tote it then it's not
>too much.
>That's my humble opinion.
>Lanney
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
>To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:28 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
>
>
>> I read only a few pages of the article. It has nothing to do with=
the
>> Mountainman list. They had a plastic canoe, a ton of too much gear and
>all
>> high tech I'm sure. It even appeared they had a back rest on the front
>> seat. Don't get me wrong I would enjoy reading that kind of article but
>> not on a mountainman page. I think we should stick to the era. But thats
>> just my humble opinion.
>> Sincerely,
>> Beaverboy
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:50:06 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texas Canoe Trip
In a message dated 6/30/02 8:37:47 AM, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:
<< http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/3574111.htm
>>
Lanney..... Thanks for the good read! I went to the site just to look at a
couple paragraphs, and ended up reading the entire piece ....<G> It reminded
me somewhat of Buck's run down the Missouri.... and that was a great trip!
Canoes are my most favorite way of getting around the NW and dammed if that
story didn't get me pumped for a run somewhere. Now, if it weren't for them
blood sucking skeeters on the Yakima......
Magpie
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:18:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
Ho the list! To anyone who is planning to go to the
Elk Park Rendezvous-The entire area is a tinderbox,
with one fire about 20 miles North of the site having
consumed 13,000 acres and still uncontrolled. I am not
trying to discourage anyone, but you may want to check
on the Mustang Fire in Utah. They currently have
closed sections of the forest. Does anyone have a
contact number? I can't seem to locate my map and
letter, so can't update any more info. With luck,
I'll see you there, Dog
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Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:39:43 -0600
From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
on 7/2/02 7:18 AM, Ronald Schrotter at mail4dog@yahoo.com wrote:
> Ho the list! To anyone who is planning to go to the
> Elk Park Rendezvous-The entire area is a tinderbox,
> with one fire about 20 miles North of the site having
> consumed 13,000 acres and still uncontrolled. I am not
> trying to discourage anyone, but you may want to check
> on the Mustang Fire in Utah. They currently have
> closed sections of the forest. Does anyone have a
> contact number? I can't seem to locate my map and
> letter, so can't update any more info. With luck,
> I'll see you there, Dog
>
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Dog,
Sounds like a dry camp to me.
Ole
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:53:46 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Park Rendezvous
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Dog
For contact numbers for the Rendezvous go to :
<A HREF="http://acs.digitaljam.com/rockymntnatlrendz/rendezvouz2002.html"> http://acs.digitaljam.com/rockymntnatlrendz/rendezvouz2002.html</A>
I was going to ride in to Rendezvous but we are going to be doing our ride
else where now, to many fires over there for a five day ride.
Crazy
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<BR>For contact numbers for the Rendezvous go to :
<BR><A HREF="http://acs.digitaljam.com/rockymntnatlrendz/rendezvouz2002.html"> http://acs.digitaljam.com/rockymntnatlrendz/rendezvouz2002.html</A>
<BR>I was going to ride in to Rendezvous but we are going to be doing our ride else where now, to many fires over there for a five day ride.
<BR>Crazy</FONT></HTML>
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