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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:18:16 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Painting Canoes

Dear Paul'

Thought I'd wade in with some thoughts. Hope your canoe is paintable, since some
plastics are real hard to put paint on but if it's possible you might concider
that real birchbark canoes are made with the white outer bark turned to the
inside and this white bark is further covered with overlapping cedar strips that
serve to reinforce the bark and give the canoe some of its shape. The outer
surface of the canoe is a light brown color a bit like fresh western red cedar
(not red but that color of brown). The thwarts and bracing inside the canoe are
of cedar or other light strong wood and have a golden brown color. There are
many rows of spruce root lashings along the gun'ls and stem and stern edges that
have a darker brown look. The seams that have been covered with pitch pine and
charcoal are black and of somewhat uneven width.

If you can get close to a real birch bark canoe you will see that it is rich
with detail that would be worth recreating on your modern canoe to give it the
ambiance of the real thing. Might not be easy but shore would be worth the
effort. My companion, Col. Mike Dorssett has a birch bark canoe that we use as
much as time will allow in the lakes of the Pacific NW. I understand your disire
to make your modern canoe look more authentic. I have used my green Old Town for
quit a few years but recently took the time to build a 19' batteau for our
several water treks and enjoy greatly the fealing of going into camp in a period
correct  craft.

Hope this has been of some help. Let us know how it comes out!

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> Dear List:  I have just been given a 15' polyurethane (?) canoe with
> internal aluminum bracing.  The body of the canoe is somewhat flexible.
>
> Query.  I want to paint it to look somewhat like a birchbark canoe.  What
> type paints should be used on the body and/or the bracing?  What colors are
> used to simulate birchbark?  What color for the "wood"/aluminum? I have seen
> canoes painted in this fashion before, and some looked quite good.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.  Paul W. Jones
> Paul W. Jones
> [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:22:23 -0400
From: kat <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

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Another note on measurements for pants. The inseam is necessary for leg =
lenght, but I always take the rise measurement. This is from the waist =
at center front between the legs to waist at center back. This keeps the =
pants from having the dip in the front or back, and helps with the high =
note problem. My one complaint with Eagle view is the amount of fullness =
in the seat. Try them on before you attach the waist band -- you'll =
probably need to take them up in the crotch seam and the outside seam.=20

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:43:09 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Henry" vest (was pants pattern)

>This is kind of off topic, but can anybody tell me where to get a good
>pattern for a Henry style vest (The one with the lapels) ?
>
>Thanks,
>Lee C.

What's a "Henry-style" vest?  Any illustrated examples you can cite?  I may
know it by a different name.

HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:51:21 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

Don,

Welcome to the Milie High City. I am a Denver native and been into 'skinnin'
for about 9 years. There are lots of great doin's here and nearby. Contact
me off-list and I'll give you my phone number and dates, places of upcoming
events.

YMHOS,

Red Coyote

> ----------
> From:     [e-mail]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Tuesday, July 21, 1998 21:24
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?
>
> Hello fellow Skinners,
> I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the Fur
> Trade
> here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more
> about
> the mighty Rocky Mountains.
>
> Keep your powder dry,
> Don
> Brown Lodge Boy
> [e-mail]
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:21 -0400
From: seanbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

There is a big Vous at the Rocky Mountain College sometime in June to Aug...
Sorry but I am nottotally sure about the dates.  Check with the college
there... Rocky Mountain College....

Addison Miller
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 12:22 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?


>Hello fellow Skinners,
>I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the Fur
Trade
>here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more about
>the mighty Rocky Mountains.
>
>Keep your powder dry,
>Don
>Brown Lodge Boy
>[e-mail]
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:24:07 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

>Hello fellow Skinners,
>I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the Fur Trade
>here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more about
>the mighty Rocky Mountains.
>
>Keep your powder dry,
>Don
>Brown Lodge Boy
>[e-mail]

Visit the Mecca of Denver area 'skinning, the Fort Restaurant.  Sam
Arnold's restaurant, 19192 Rt. 8, Morrison, CO 80465 (303/697-4771)
duplicates Bent's Fort, the 1830s-40s adobe trading post on the Arkansas
River.  It's a great place to eat and has the right atmosphere to make one
go WAUGH!!!  Show up in period clothing for a royal treatment.

Sam is an expert on foodways of the Southwest and fur trade period.  His
cookbooks _Eating Up the Santa Fe Trail_ and Frying Pans West_ are
legendary.  His new _Fort Cookbook_ is just recently available.  No doubt
these and other books are available at the Fort Restaurant.  He's also a
great clearing house of information on area doings.  No doubt that others
there will know, too.  Tell him hello for me.

Speaking of Bent's Fort, the Santa Fe Trail encampment at Bent's Fort near
LaJunta is this weekend.  It's a National Park Service event, which means
you have to be on their list to participate, but spectators are welcome.
Look me up.  I'll be there as a trader.  I posted a message a week or so
ago about the event and how to become a Park Service volunteer.  Those
already well versed in the 1830s and 40s western fur trade era should have
no problem.  It's very easy toi become a NPS volunteer.  I will re-post
that information, rather than rewrite it.

Cheers,
HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:46:28 -0500
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dutch oven cooking

Thought I'd pass this on, got it off a Scout newsgroup.



A few months ago many of you responded with recipes and other help for
our
District's Dutch oven cookbook. Many thanks to those who helped. The
books
are here from the publisher now and ready for sale. Proceeds benefit our
District for training, Roundtable, and other district needs.

The Books are $13.00 post paid. There are about 150 of our favorite
Dutch
oven recipes and cooking helps in a spiral bound 8 1/2 by 5 inch book.
Just
right for stuffing into your pack.

Please send name and address with a check made out to BSA Ducth Oven
Cookoff to:

Bill Randall
810 Walnut Street
Cedar Falls, IA 50613

The cookbooks are offered in conjunction with our Dutch Oven Cookoff on
September 19th. If you are interested in more information, please see
our
web site at http:home.scout.net/wabuha .

Thanks again to all who helped.

Bill Randall
Wabuha District Program Chair
C-25-96, A Wounded Eagle!
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:11:34 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

>The pattern company probably assumes the use of commercial tanned
>deerskin, which is VERY stretchy, and the normal recommendation is to
>wet, stretch, and let dry the hides before sewing, which will often
>increase the size by 15-20%.

I've got a big, I mean LARGE, piece of leather, commercial tanned.  Looks
like a whole cow hide, which I am going to make my hunting frock from.  I
can soak it in a large plastic trash can, but how do you recommend
stretching it? It's too big for a 4x8 sheet of plywood, and I don't have a
wall that my wife would allow nailing it to.  Would you recommend staking
it down on the groung in the yard?  As dry as it is here, it should dry out
nicely, I think, as long as I can keep the dogs away from it.

HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:28:10 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Henry" vest (was pants pattern)

I believ Lee was refering to what is commonly called the "Ashley" style vest
or in other words the short waisted vest of the 1830's with a low neck line
and lapels and about 5 bottons.

Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:25:40 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Charlie P. Webb)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous,  August  3 thru 9 1998
Boosway: Ken Klabon HC 50 Box 1 Kimball, NE 69145  [phone]  Little
Booshway: John Switzer 6774 Blue Jay Dr.
Parker CO 80138   [e-mail]

C Webb
Range Coordinator 1998

On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:21 -0400 seanbear <[e-mail]>
writes:
>There is a big Vous at the Rocky Mountain College sometime in June to
>Aug...
>Sorry but I am nottotally sure about the dates.  Check with the
>college
>there... Rocky Mountain College....
>
>Addison Miller
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 12:22 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?
>
>
>>Hello fellow Skinners,
>>I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the
>Fur
>Trade
>>here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more
>about
>>the mighty Rocky Mountains.
>>
>>Keep your powder dry,
>>Don
>>Brown Lodge Boy
>>[e-mail]
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:43:13 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Period Labels/RMNR

While at the Rocky Mountain National Rendezvous in Elk Park, UT, I visited a
trading establishment called "Images of the Past." I believe the proprietors
name is Ray Glazner. He was offering a number of sheets of period lables which
can be scanned and duplicated to your hearts content. They were $5.00 per
sheet and I think he had 5 or 6 different sheets.  Anyway, I don't have his
address handy, but I'm sure someone does.

By the way, it was a great Rendezvous. There were at last count , 707
registered camps. The weather was nice, if a little hot, even at 8600 feet. We
celebrated the last night with Buffalo, Elk and Deer. It was FAT COW!

Hengesbaugh and Housler were filming a new video which should be out around
November. Also Leo Hakola was doing some filming on Rendezvous, Trade beads,
and parfleche. Should make for some interesting watching.

Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:18:30 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

HMMM! never had to deal with anything much larger than 4 x 8 plywood.
Ideas:
1. Make a suitably immense frame of 2x4's and lace the wet leather, much
like preparing a hide for scraping. Requires much strong twine or the
like plus the lumber, may need to do horizontally.
2. Staking out on the ground sounds OK if you have dry conditions, lots
of Indians did it that way, if the ground and stakes will take the
strain. You don't need an IMMENSE amound of force, but you will be
wanting to pull each tie point (every 6-8" or so around the edge)
outwards about as hard as you readily can. This depends on your
confidence in weather, dogs etc.
3. Or you COULD cut it in half, and stretch each piece separately, if
that fits your sewing plan, but I would understand if you're reluctant
to cut prematurely.
- --Be sure to let dry thoroughly before removing from the stretcher.
- --Cowhide may not be as stretchy as deerskin, but it will probably still
matter. You could experiment with a small piece, keeping in mind that
some areas of a hide around the edge are often softer. Also, a hunting
shirt isn't going to experience the stress and strain of pants, so
extreme stretching may not be so important.
YMOS
Pat Quilter

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 9:12 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern


>The pattern company probably assumes the use of commercial tanned
>deerskin, which is VERY stretchy, and the normal recommendation is to
>wet, stretch, and let dry the hides before sewing, which will often
>increase the size by 15-20%.

I've got a big, I mean LARGE, piece of leather, commercial tanned.
Looks
like a whole cow hide, which I am going to make my hunting frock from.
I
can soak it in a large plastic trash can, but how do you recommend
stretching it? It's too big for a 4x8 sheet of plywood, and I don't have
a
wall that my wife would allow nailing it to.  Would you recommend
staking
it down on the groung in the yard?  As dry as it is here, it should dry
out
nicely, I think, as long as I can keep the dogs away from it.

HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:01:05 -0600
From: Steve Berlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dutch oven cooking

Jim Lindberg wrote:

...

> A few months ago many of you responded with recipes and other help for
> our District's Dutch oven cookbook. Many thanks to those who helped.

...


> The cookbooks are offered in conjunction with our Dutch Oven Cookoff on
> September 19th. If you are interested in more information, please see
> our web site at http:home.scout.net/wabuha .

That's http://home.scout.net/wabuha

- --
Steve Berlin

mailto:[e-mail]

Visit the new Utah Crossroads Chapter,
Oregon-California Trails Association website at:
http://www.metrogourmet.com/crossroads

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:53:28 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Labels/RMNR

Images Of The Past (Ray Glazner) is located in Simi Valley California.  Rays
voice number is [phone], fax is [phone]. Hope this helps.  PJ

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:56:47 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

Best pattern i've heard of was using a pair of old jeans that really fits
great.  I've seen many ads for buckskin makers who requested you send in a
pair of old jeans for them to use as a pattern, and then they sew 'em back up
and return 'em.  Don't think I would go through that much trouble after I
opened 'em up, but......                  PJ

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:38:27 GMT
From: [e-mail] (PHIL PETERSEN)
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

Good evening Pat.  I have several brain tanned hides.  I have a plan on
making a shirt.   Are you saying to soak the tanned hides in water and stake
them out again?  I guess I am confused.  No suprise there!

Phil


>HMMM! never had to deal with anything much larger than 4 x 8 plywood.
>Ideas:
>1. Make a suitably immense frame of 2x4's and lace the wet leather, much
>like preparing a hide for scraping. Requires much strong twine or the
>like plus the lumber, may need to do horizontally.
>2. Staking out on the ground sounds OK if you have dry conditions, lots
>of Indians did it that way, if the ground and stakes will take the
>strain. You don't need an IMMENSE amound of force, but you will be
>wanting to pull each tie point (every 6-8" or so around the edge)
>outwards about as hard as you readily can. This depends on your
>confidence in weather, dogs etc.
>3. Or you COULD cut it in half, and stretch each piece separately, if
>that fits your sewing plan, but I would understand if you're reluctant
>to cut prematurely.
>--Be sure to let dry thoroughly before removing from the stretcher.
>--Cowhide may not be as stretchy as deerskin, but it will probably still
>matter. You could experiment with a small piece, keeping in mind that
>some areas of a hide around the edge are often softer. Also, a hunting
>shirt isn't going to experience the stress and strain of pants, so
>extreme stretching may not be so important.
>YMOS
>Pat Quilter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 9:12 AM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern
>
>
>>The pattern company probably assumes the use of commercial tanned
>>deerskin, which is VERY stretchy, and the normal recommendation is to
>>wet, stretch, and let dry the hides before sewing, which will often
>>increase the size by 15-20%.
>
>I've got a big, I mean LARGE, piece of leather, commercial tanned.
>Looks
>like a whole cow hide, which I am going to make my hunting frock from.
>I
>can soak it in a large plastic trash can, but how do you recommend
>stretching it? It's too big for a 4x8 sheet of plywood, and I don't have
>a
>wall that my wife would allow nailing it to.  Would you recommend
>staking
>it down on the groung in the yard?  As dry as it is here, it should dry
>out
>nicely, I think, as long as I can keep the dogs away from it.
>
>HBC
>
>*****************************************
>Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
>[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
>806/742-2442           Box 43191
>FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
>               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
>******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:25:30 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

No need to do anything more to brain tanned hides, they're fully
stretched in the process of finishing them. Random tips -- they say to
wear the hides in the same orientation the animal did, and sleeves are a
lot bigger around then one would think, and make em plenty long (you can
always cuff back the excess and its nice to have extra to cover the
hands on a cold morning). Brain tan is great.
YMOS
Pat

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 5:38 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern


Good evening Pat.  I have several brain tanned hides.  I have a plan on
making a shirt.   Are you saying to soak the tanned hides in water and
stake
them out again?  I guess I am confused.  No suprise there!

Phil


>HMMM! never had to deal with anything much larger than 4 x 8 plywood.
>Ideas:
>1. Make a suitably immense frame of 2x4's and lace the wet leather,
much
>like preparing a hide for scraping. Requires much strong twine or the
>like plus the lumber, may need to do horizontally.
>2. Staking out on the ground sounds OK if you have dry conditions, lots
>of Indians did it that way, if the ground and stakes will take the
>strain. You don't need an IMMENSE amound of force, but you will be
>wanting to pull each tie point (every 6-8" or so around the edge)
>outwards about as hard as you readily can. This depends on your
>confidence in weather, dogs etc.
>3. Or you COULD cut it in half, and stretch each piece separately, if
>that fits your sewing plan, but I would understand if you're reluctant
>to cut prematurely.
>--Be sure to let dry thoroughly before removing from the stretcher.
>--Cowhide may not be as stretchy as deerskin, but it will probably
still
>matter. You could experiment with a small piece, keeping in mind that
>some areas of a hide around the edge are often softer. Also, a hunting
>shirt isn't going to experience the stress and strain of pants, so
>extreme stretching may not be so important.
>YMOS
>Pat Quilter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 9:12 AM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern
>
>
>>The pattern company probably assumes the use of commercial tanned
>>deerskin, which is VERY stretchy, and the normal recommendation is to
>>wet, stretch, and let dry the hides before sewing, which will often
>>increase the size by 15-20%.
>
>I've got a big, I mean LARGE, piece of leather, commercial tanned.
>Looks
>like a whole cow hide, which I am going to make my hunting frock from.
>I
>can soak it in a large plastic trash can, but how do you recommend
>stretching it? It's too big for a 4x8 sheet of plywood, and I don't
have
>a
>wall that my wife would allow nailing it to.  Would you recommend
>staking
>it down on the groung in the yard?  As dry as it is here, it should dry
>out
>nicely, I think, as long as I can keep the dogs away from it.
>
>HBC
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:12:39 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

   >  As dry as it is here, it should dry out nicely, I think, as
   >long as I can keep the dogs away from it.
   >HBC
   >*****************************************
   >Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History



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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:51:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jeff S. Skelton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bags

Gentlemen.  I've a question  here I hope some of you can answer.
Was the shooting or bullet pouch the the same as the possible sack?
In some of the books I've read they seem to differenciate between the two,
keeping the shooting bag only for shooting items and the possible sack for
other things, say flint and steel, beaver medicine, charms, tobacco, etc.
In other references they refer to the possible sack as the only bag.  A
catch all.  Which way would be closer to true?


                Sincerely,

                Jeff





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