<DIV>I got hit with a virus as soon as I logged on. I didn't open anything, Norton caught it, but apparently it got in ...as Pat Q already contacted me. I hadn't sent Pat anything recently (on purpose anyway) . The offending email was from "tvenden" and was subject Language. If this hits anyone else through me, I'm sorry...but I didn't do anything other than log on. Randy</DIV>
I said that a little differently from what I intended. I meant to say that
about half of that group believed, not that ALL the group HALF believed the
theory of what amounts to sine wave ballistics. I may have the group
mis-identified as yours, but a year or two back I got into a fairly toxic
battle with some folks on somebody's list who insisted that bullets leaving
the muzzle first fall "a little", then rise through an arc "after they
stabilize". That flies in the face of physics and accepted concepts of
bullet trajectory and I said so. Those folks were assigning aerodynamic
principles to bullets that are ballistic by nature. Gravity can't be denied
and earthbound objects fall at 32 ft per sec per sec until wind resistance
slows them to a constant velocity. In a vacuum the acceleration continues
unabated until it strikes a surface. I was always amazed to read
that....in a vacuum....a feather and a lead ball fall at the same velocity
and will strike the ground simultaneously if dropped simultaneously, and
thus a bullet fired parallel to a flat surface....at any velocity..... will
strike the ground simultaneously as a bullet (or a feather) dropped
simultaneously from the height of the muzzle.
If I mis-identified your group as the one that harbored these "sine
ballisticians" then I apologize in the same forum that I made the comment.
No offense intended to you (or anybody else, for that matter).
Send me what I need to join your group.
cordially
Lanney
PS: I will be off line after tomorrow afternoon until about June 3. I am
heading north, first to Pinedale Wyoming for an AMM camp then to west
central Colorado for another.
later
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:51:52 -0400
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
sorry thought you ws talking of Fox...from another list
rats
Windwalker
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On 5/16/02 at 11:44 PM Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>TOF
>I said that a little differently from what I intended. I meant to say=
that
>about half of that group believed, not that ALL the group HALF believed=
the
>theory of what amounts to sine wave ballistics. I may have the group
>mis-identified as yours, but a year or two back I got into a fairly toxic
>battle with some folks on somebody's list who insisted that bullets=
leaving
>the muzzle first fall "a little", then rise through an arc "after they
>stabilize". That flies in the face of physics and accepted concepts of
>bullet trajectory and I said so. Those folks were assigning aerodynamic
>principles to bullets that are ballistic by nature. Gravity can't be
>denied
>and earthbound objects fall at 32 ft per sec per sec until wind resistance
>slows them to a constant velocity. In a vacuum the acceleration continues
>unabated until it strikes a surface. I was always amazed to read
>that....in a vacuum....a feather and a lead ball fall at the same velocity
>and will strike the ground simultaneously if dropped simultaneously, and
>thus a bullet fired parallel to a flat surface....at any velocity.....=
will
>strike the ground simultaneously as a bullet (or a feather) dropped
>simultaneously from the height of the muzzle.
>If I mis-identified your group as the one that harbored these "sine
>ballisticians" then I apologize in the same forum that I made the comment.
>No offense intended to you (or anybody else, for that matter).
>Send me what I need to join your group.
>cordially
>Lanney
>PS: I will be off line after tomorrow afternoon until about June 3. I am
>heading north, first to Pinedale Wyoming for an AMM camp then to west
>central Colorado for another.
>later
>
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:56:33 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
At 11:01 PM 5/16/02, you wrote:
>Is that a "sine" of ballistic ignorance?
OH GROAN!
The 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue would define you sir, as a:
"WORDPECKER"
John...
P.S. Texas grey flint is the best this continent has to offer; it's lots
hotter than English black or French brown. Doc Grandee always brought it
up, I cleaned up his camp after he finished knapping and went home, he kept
me in gunflints and firestones for better than 10 years from when I last
saw him up on Big "Z's" place.
Had a broken point red chert stone in my musket that lasted (without
knapping) for years living full time oldtime. Never failed to throw a
shower of hot sparks. Never had another as good.
>
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:23:23 EDT
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:
> According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S.
Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side
of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the
ground cause it is "Fake Flint" not real Flint. Does that mean the fires
they started with it at the Genesee Country Museum are then Fake Fires?
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR>Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground cause it is "Fake Flint" not real Flint. Does that mean the fires they started with it at the Genesee Country Museum are then Fake Fires?
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:25:45 -0400
From: "Tim J." <tjewell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:
According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S.
Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground ...
Ummm... not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct. "Flint" is a specific name for a high quality black Chert found in England. What most people have come to call flint (and name roads. towns, ridges, etc. after) is actually various qualities of chert. Basically, all flint is (a variety of) chert, but not all chert is flint.
Tim
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