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MATCH</B>, n. 1. Some very combustible substance used for catching fire from a spark, as hemp, flax, cotton, tow dipped in sulphur, or a species of dry wood,called vulgarly touch-wood. 2. A rope or cord made of hempen tow, composed of three strands slightly twisted, and again covered with tow and boiled in the lees of old wine. This when lighted at one end, retains fire and burns slowly till consumed. It is used in firing artillery.<BR>
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<B>QUICK-MATCH,</B> n. [See Match.] A combustible preparation formed of cotton strands dipped in a boiling composition of white vinegar, saltpeter and mealed powder; used by artillerymen. <BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longrifle-Saga of Andy Burnett
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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, I spent several days reading the paper back version of the Saga of Andy Burnett. Young Andy was the grandson of Gail Burnett, a close friend of Daniel Boone. Dan'l gave Gail his rifle and Gail gave it to his grandson Andy who then took it west after he met up with a mtn man name of Joe Crane. What a great fictional story. I read it as a kid and it started my interest in long skinny barreled rifles and fringed leather clothing. Walt Disney made a 3 part TV mini-series and showed it on Walt Disney Presents on Sunday night. The show came on in the late 1950s. The character Bill Williams was played by the late Slim Pickens an acquaintance of mine and the character of Andy was played by Jerome Courtland, Joe Crane was played by Jeff York, who also played in the Great Locomotive Race with Fess Parker.
Slim told me in 1980 that playing the part of Bill Williams got him interested in mtn men and he got involved in the hobby of buckskinning back in the sixties. he collected old saddles and guns and other western artifacts. When Slim passed on in 1983, I was lucky enough to manage to get a nice santa fe saddle tree from his wife Maggie. Bob Schmidt built a great saddle around that tree. Slim had a red river cart in his garage in California. I have always wondered who bought the cart. Many nice pieces of plunder moved onto the market for sale from Slim's collection. I own an original hard bound first edition of the book and it occasionally surfaces in the used book web sites. A great tale of mtn men. M. Branson
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<P> A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, I spent several days reading the paper back version of the Saga of Andy Burnett. Young Andy was the grandson of Gail Burnett, a close friend of Daniel Boone. Dan'l gave Gail his rifle and Gail gave it to his grandson Andy who then took it west after he met up with a mtn man name of Joe Crane. What a great fictional story. I read it as a kid and it started my interest in long skinny barreled rifles and fringed leather clothing. Walt Disney made a 3 part TV mini-series and showed it on Walt Disney Presents on Sunday night. The show came on in the late 1950s. The character Bill Williams was played by the late Slim Pickens an acquaintance of mine and the character of Andy was played by Jerome Courtland, Joe Crane was played by Jeff York, who also played in the Great Locomotive Race with Fess Parker.
<P> Slim told me in 1980 that playing the part of Bill Williams got him interested in mtn men and he got involved in the hobby of buckskinning back in the sixties. he collected old saddles and guns and other western artifacts. When Slim passed on in 1983, I was lucky enough to manage to get a nice santa fe saddle tree from his wife Maggie. Bob Schmidt built a great saddle around that tree. Slim had a red river cart in his garage in California. I have always wondered who bought the cart. Many nice pieces of plunder moved onto the market for sale from Slim's collection. I own an original hard bound first edition of the book and it occasionally surfaces in the used book web sites. A great tale of mtn men. M. <A href="mailto:Branson@earthlink.net">Branson</A></P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:23:37 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise
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Need Your Expertise<Hard question to answer for sure positive but there =
is evidence to indicate that a normal charge was somewhere between a =
grain per cal. and upwards of a grain per 1-1/2 caliber's.>
Michael,
Let that read 1-1/2 grains per caliber. But like Richard points out =
again, there is some evidence to suggest it was common practice to go =
with a grain per caliber. Some of the stories that came back talked of =
various hunters, experienced and otherwise having to shoot their quarry =
several times with little success. Osborne Russell talked of his first =
buffalo as taking the contents of his shooting pouch (24 balls or so) =
and not falling down. There is no comment or record of where he did or =
didn't hit the buffalo though so the animal may verywell have been dead =
on its feet.
I believe the Lewis and Clark expedition found the Plains Grizzly very =
hard to kill though that is still the case today, they may have been =
using what today we would consider a light load that is normally quite =
effective on deer, black bear and even elk.=20
In most muzzle loaders such a load might be considered a half load in =
the sense that if needed the shooter could throw a double 'charge' and =
not dangerously overload the gun. A normal 50 grain load in a .50 cal. =
rifle would give a double charge of 100 grains and that isn't dangerous =
in a gun in good condition shooting a round ball, just normally not =
needed.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Michael,
Your novel should be interesting reading when you get it completed. =
Let us know. But to your questions.......
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<First, what term was used for powder measures in 1823? I've seen =
references to "grains." Something else? >
A "charge" as in a charge of powder or "charge the gun, musket, =
rifle, etc.
<Second, what would have been considered a large powder charge -- =
enough say, to kill a buffalo?>
Hard question to answer for sure positive but there is evedence to =
indicate that a normal charge was somewhere between a grain per cal. and =
upwards of a grain per 1-1/2 calibers. A .50 cal. gun is big enough to =
kill a buffalo and a charge of 65 to 75 grains seems reasonable though =
light by todays standards. In a .60 cal. smooth bore which might be more =
tipical of the guns used by Indian and White alike, a charge of around =
70 to 80 grains has been known to kill a buffalo quite readily.
<Third, does anyone know the correct term for the long stick, =
threaded by a saltpeter-soaked, burning rope, used to ignite goose-quill =
primers on cannons in the pre-friction primer era?>
Not sure it was soaked with saltpeter but it was called a "match". =
Soaked in salt peter it would be almost impossible to put out short of =
soaking in water and would burn quite fast compared to a smoldering =
cotton rope, which will burn quite nicely on it's own at a reasonable =
rate. There was some discussion recently as to what else the "match" =
might have been soaked with or treated with.
Hope that helps.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:36:46 EDT
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise
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In a message dated 5/15/02 7:59:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pat_quilter@qscaudio.com writes:
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Out here in French and Indian and Rev War country the artillery all call it a
slow match and so do those early fur traders from the 1600's that used
Matchlock weapons ignited by a slow match instead of a modern flint.
Y.M.O.S.
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<BR>Out here in French and Indian and Rev War country the artillery all call it a slow match and so do those early fur traders from the 1600's that used Matchlock weapons ignited by a slow match instead of a modern flint.
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