In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:32:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tjewell@comcast.net writes:
> not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct.
Tim, et al., You guys are misstating the facts: There is a deposit of Flint,
even acknowledged by TOF, in upstate New York. Let's put an end to this
petty crap, as there is at least one known, properly formed and identified
deposit of Flint in the US.
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:32:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjewell@comcast.net writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Tim, et al., You guys are misstating the facts: There is a deposit of Flint, <U>even acknowledged by TOF</U>, in upstate New York. Let's put an end to this petty crap, as there is at least one known, properly formed and identified deposit of Flint in the US.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:07:41 -0400
From: "Tim J." <tjewell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:32:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjewell@comcast.net writes:
not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct.
Tim, et al., You guys are misstating the facts: There is a deposit of Flint, even acknowledged by TOF, in upstate New York. Let's put an end to this petty crap...
Barney,
I'm not trying to be petty, I didn't follow this thread much before because in all reality it really is not important. When it came up this time a became a little curious so I did a google search to come up with my "misstated" facts (note: tongue in cheek). Some web sites did not make a distinction between flint and chert. The sites that did make a distinction stated their facts as I replied. Theses facts are according to The Authentic Artifacts Collectors Association; West Geology Sources, School of Ocean and Earth Sciences, Southampton University, U.K.; Minerals of the World, A Field Guide and Introduction to the Geology and Chemistry of Minerals... If anyone has other facts that disagree with what I stated I would be happy to see their source (strictly out of a search for knowledge and a little curiosity) off list.
Having said that, I agree with letting this rest. For some reason this subject seems to evoke as much emotional response as politics and religion and it is definitely not worth any hard feelings over.
Regards,
Tim
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:37:11 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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In a message dated 5/17/2002 10:07:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tjewell@comcast.net writes:
> If anyone has other facts that disagree with what I stated I would be happy
> to see their source (strictly out of a search for knowledge and a little
> curiosity) off list.
Tim, I wasn't referring to you posts as being petty; only the continuing
pot-shots about TOF, and in one case his List.
The problem here is that 'Flint' is created with specific chemicals and in a
specific matrix (type of clay, etc) that differentiates it from Chert and
other types of Quartz, or 'sparkable' materials.
While I agree with you that the commonly published and/or accepted point of
view is that we ain't got no Flint here, which TOF did say in the forum, he
later cited to me the results of research showing just such a deposit in New
York. All very confusing I know!
I imagine that if he weren't in the middle of his move right now, we'd have
heard from him. If yer there TOF, what say ye?
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 5/17/2002 10:07:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjewell@comcast.net writes:<BR>
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Tim, I wasn't referring to you posts as being petty; only the continuing pot-shots about TOF, and in one case his List.<BR>
<BR>
The problem here is that 'Flint' is created with specific chemicals and in a specific matrix (type of clay, etc) that differentiates it from Chert and other types of Quartz, or 'sparkable' materials.<BR>
<BR>
While I agree with you that the commonly published and/or accepted point of view is that we ain't got no Flint here, which TOF did say in the forum, he later cited to me the results of research showing just such a deposit in New York. All very confusing I know! <BR>
<BR>
I imagine that if he weren't in the middle of his move right now, we'd have heard from him. If yer there TOF, what say ye?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:41:21 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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In a message dated 5/17/2002 3:30:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kramer@kramerize.com writes:
> Way too soon to be forgiving their sins or granting
> credence to any of their utterances.
>
AMEN, Brother!
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Hmph. Sure as heck seemed like the heat climbed up the work when I =
quenched it.
> Sometimes the imagery proposed to help people remember a=20
> complicated fact is
> in fact misleading, even though it may help people remember the likely
> outcome. My favorite is the blacksmith's warning that dipping the end =
of a
> hot iron in water will "chase the heat up the rod" making it likelier =
to
> burn your hand. This is a good reminder that not ALL of the iron=20
> cools right
> off when you quench one part of it, but the implied physics of=20
> the statement
> is completely wrong. Drawing heat from one end will never make=20
> the other end
> get hotter than if you let the iron cool by itself.=20
=20
>=20
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:29:50 -0400
From: "Tim J." <tjewell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
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Tim, I wasn't referring to you posts as being petty; only the continuing pot-shots about TOF, and in one case his List.
Gotcha, I didn't think I had said anything petty.
The problem here is that 'Flint' is created with specific chemicals and in a specific matrix (type of clay, etc) that differentiates it from Chert and other types of Quartz, or 'sparkable' materials...
...All very confusing I know!
You're not kidding. Frank send me some info. off list from experts he had spoken to and I read these other opinions from seeming experts. Guess the real bottom line is, whatever you call it, if it makes sparks and makes your rifle go boom you're all set to make meat.
Regards,
Tim
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