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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Medical Terms for Cause of Death (fwd)

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From: "William Metcalfe" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Old Medical Terms for Cause of Death
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Dean,

Thought the Discussion Group might find this information useful.  I'm =
not currently subscribed.

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William Metcalfe
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Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:20 PM
Subject: Old Medical Terms for Cause of Death


>An aid to deciphering old death certificates.=20
>(gleaned from another List)
>
>Ablepsy - Blindness
>Ague - Malarial Fever
>American plague - Yellow fever
>Anasarca - Generalized massive edema
>Aphonia - Laryngitis
>Aphtha - The infant disease "thrush"
>Apoplexy - Paralysis due to stroke
>Asphycsia/Asphicsia - Cyanotic and lack of oxygen
>Atrophy - Wasting away or diminishing in size.
>
>Bad Blood - Syphilis
>Bilious fever - Typhoid, malaria, hepatitis or elevated temperature and =
bile
>          emesis
>Biliousness - Jaundice associated with liver disease
>Black plague or death - Bubonic plague
>Black fever - Acute infection with high temperature and dark red skin =
lesions
>          and high mortality rate
>Black pox - Black Small pox
>Black vomit - Vomiting old black blood due to ulcers or yellow fever
>Blackwater fever - Dark urine associated with high temperature
>Bladder in throat - Diphtheria (Seen on death certificates)
>Blood poisoning - Bacterial infection; septicemia
>Bloody flux - Bloody stools
>Bloody sweat - Sweating sickness
>Bone shave - Sciatica
>Brain fever - Meningitis
>Breakbone - Dengue fever
>Bright's disease - Chronic inflammatory disease of kidneys
>Bronze John - Yellow fever
>Bule - Boil, tumor or swelling
>
>Cachexy - Malnutrition
>Cacogastric - Upset stomach
>Cacospysy - Irregular pulse
>Caduceus - Subject to falling sickness or epilepsy
>Camp fever - Typhus; aka Camp diarrhea
>Canine madness - Rabies, hydrophobia
>Canker - Ulceration of mouth or lips or herpes simplex
>Catalepsy - Seizures / trances
>Catarrhal - Nose and throat discharge from cold or allergy
>Cerebritis - Inflammation of cerebrum or lead poisoning
>Chilblain - Swelling of extremities caused by exposure to cold
>Child bed fever - Infection following birth of a child
>Chin cough - Whooping cough
>Chlorosis - Iron deficiency anemia
>Cholera - Acute severe contagious diarrhea with intestinal lining =
sloughing
>Cholera morbus - Characterized by nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps,
>          elevated temperature, etc. Could be appendicitis
>Cholecystitus - Inflammation of the gall bladder
>Cholelithiasis - Gall stones
>Chorea - Disease characterized by convulsions, contortions and dancing
>Cold plague - Ague which is characterized by chills
>Colic - An abdominal pain and cramping
>Congestive chills - Malaria
>Consumption - Tuberculosis
>Congestion - Any collection of fluid in an organ, like the lungs
>Congestive chills - Malaria with diarrhea
>Congestive fever - Malaria
>Corruption - Infection
>Coryza - A cold
>Costiveness - Constipation
>Cramp colic - Appendicitis
>Crop sickness - Overextended stomach
>Croup - Laryngitis, diphtheria, or strep throat
>Cyanosis - Dark skin color from lack of oxygen in blood
>Cynanche - Diseases of throat
>Cystitis - Inflammation of the bladder
>Day fever - Fever lasting one day; sweating sickness
>Debility - Lack of movement or staying in bed
>Decrepitude - Feebleness due to old age
>Delirium tremens - Hallucinations due to alcoholism
>Dengue - Infectious fever endemic to East Africa
>Dentition - Cutting of teeth
>Deplumation - Tumor of the eyelids which causes hair loss
>Diary fever - A fever that lasts one day
>Diptheria - Contagious disease of the throat
>Distemper - Usually animal disease with malaise, discharge from nose =
and
>          throat, anorexia
>Dock fever - Yellow fever
>Dropsy - Edema (swelling), often caused by kidney or heart disease
>Dropsy of the Brain - Encephalitis
>Dry Bellyache - Lead poisoning
>Dyscrasy - An abnormal body condition
>Dysentery - Inflammation of colon with frequent passage of mucous and =
blood
>Dysorexy - Reduced appetite
>Dyspepsia - Indigestion and heartburn. Heart attack symptoms
>Dysury - Difficulty in urination
>
>Eclampsy - Symptoms of epilepsy, convulsions during labor
>Ecstasy - A form of catalepsy characterized by loss of reason
>Edema - Nephrosis; swelling of tissues
>Edema of lungs - Congestive heart failure, a form of dropsy
>Eel thing - Erysipelas
>Elephantiasis - A form of leprosy
>Encephalitis - Swelling of brain; aka sleeping sickness
>Enteric fever - Typhoid fever
>Enterocolitis - Inflammation of the intestines
>Enteritis - Inflations of the bowels
>Epitaxis - Nose bleed
>Erysipelas - Contagious skin disease, due to Streptococci with =
vesicular
>           and bulbous lesions
>Extravasted blood - Rupture of a blood vessel
>Falling sickness - Epilepsy
>Fatty Liver - Cirrhosis of liver
>Fits - Sudden attack or seizure of muscle activity
>Flux - An excessive flow or discharge of fluid like hemorrhage or =
diarrhea
>Flux of humour - Circulation
>French pox - Syphilis
>
>Gathering - A collection of pus
>Glandular fever - Mononucleosis
>Great pox - Syphilis
>Green fever / sickness - Anemia
>Grippe/grip - Influenza like symptoms
>Grocer's itch - Skin disease caused by mites in sugar or flour
>
>Heart sickness - Condition caused by loss of salt from body
>Heat stroke - Body temperature elevates because of surrounding =
environment   =20
>          temperature and body does not perspire to reduce temperature. =
Coma =20
>          and death result if not reversed
>Hectical complaint - Recurrent fever
>Hematemesis - Vomiting blood
>Hematuria - Bloody urine
>Hemiplegy - Paralysis of one side of body
>Hip gout - Osteomylitis
>Horrors - Delirium tremens
>Hydrocephalus - Enlarged head, water on the brain
>Hydropericardium - Heart dropsy
>Hydrophobia - Rabies
>Hydrothroax - Dropsy in chest
>Hypertrophic - Enlargement of organ, like the heart
>
>Impetigo - Contagious skin disease characterized by pustules
>Inanition - Physical condition resulting from lack of food
>Infantile paralysis - Polio
>Intestinal colic - Abdominal pain due to improper diet
>
>Jail fever - Typhus
>Jaundice - Condition caused by blockage of intestines
>
>King's evil - Tuberculosis of neck and lymph glands
>Kruchhusten - Whooping cough
>
>Lagrippe - Influenza
>Lockjaw - Tetanus or infectious disease affecting the muscles of the =
neck and=20
>          jaw. Untreated, it is fatal in 8 days
>Lung sickness - Tuberculosis
>Lues disease - Syphilis
>Lues venera - Venereal disease
>Lumbago - Back pain
>Lung fever - Pneumonia
>Lung sickness - Tuberculosis
>Lying in - Time of delivery of infant
>
>Malignant sore throat - Diphtheria
>Mania - Insanity
>Marasmus - Progressive wasting away of body, like malnutrition
>Membranous Croup - Diphtheria
>Meningitis - Inflations of brain or spinal cord
>Metritis - Inflammation of uterus or purulent vaginal discharge
>Miasma - Poisonous vapors thought to infect the air
>Milk fever - Disease from drinking contaminated milk, like undulant =
fever or =20
>           brucellosis
>Milk leg - Post partum thrombophlebitis
>Milk sickness - Disease from milk of cattle which had eaten poisonous =
weeds
>Mormal - Gangrene
>Morphew - Scurvy blisters on the body
>Mortification - Gangrene of necrotic tissue
>Myelitis - Inflammation of the spine
>Myocarditis - Inflammation of heart muscles
>
>Necrosis - Mortification of bones or tissue
>Nephrosis - Kidney degeneration
>Nepritis - Inflammation of kidneys
>Nervous prostration - Extreme exhaustion from inability to control =
physical
>and
>          mental activities
>Neuralgia - Described as discomfort, such as "Headache" was neuralgia =
in =20
>          head
>Nostalgia - Homesickness
>
>Palsy - Paralysis or uncontrolled movement of controlled muscles. It =
was
>listed  =20
>           as "Cause of death"
>Paroxysm - Convulsion
>Pemphigus - Skin disease of watery blisters
>Pericarditis - Inflammation of heart
>Peripneumonia - Inflammation of lungs
>Peritonotis - Inflammation of abdominal area
>Petechial Fever - Fever characterized by skin spotting
>Peurperal exhaustion - Death due to child birth
>Phthiriasis - Lice infestation
>Phthisis - Chronic wasting away or a name for tuberculosis
>Plague - An acute febrile highly infectious disease with a high =
fatality rate
>Pleurisy - Any pain in the chest area with each breath
>Podagra - Gout
>Poliomyelitis - PolioPotter's asthma - Fibroid pthisis
>Pott's disease - Tuberculosis of spine
>Puerperal exhaustion - Death due to childbirth
>Puerperal fever - Elevated temperature after giving birth to an infant
>Puking fever - Milk sickness
>Putrid fever - Diphtheria.
>
>Quinsy - Tonsillitis.
>
>Remitting fever - Malaria
>Rheumatism - Any disorder associated with pain in joints
>Rickets - Disease of skeletal system
>Rose cold - Hay fever or nasal symptoms of an allergy
>Rotanny fever - (Child's disease) ???
>Rubeola - German measles
>
>Sanguineous crust - Scab
>Scarlatina - Scarlet fever
>Scarlet fever - A disease characterized by red rash
>Scarlet rash - Roseola
>Sciatica - Rheumatism in the hips
>Scirrhus - Cancerous tumors
>Scotomy - Dizziness, nausea and dimness of sight
>Scrivener's palsy - Writer's cramp
>Screws - Rheumatism
>Scrofula - Tuberculosis of neck lymph glands. Progresses slowly with =
abscesses
>          and pustulas develop. Young person's disease. Possibly =
chicken pox
>Scrumpox - Skin disease, impetigo
>Scurvy - Lack of vitamin C. Symptoms of weakness, spongy gums and  =20
>          hemorrhages under skin
>Septicemia - Blood poisoning
>Shakes - Delirium tremens
>Shaking - Chills, ague
>Shingles - Viral disease with skin blisters
>Ship fever - Typhus
>Siriasis - Inflammation of the brain due to sun exposure
>Sloes - Milk sickness
>Small pox - Contagious disease with fever and blisters
>Softening of brain - Result of stroke or hemorrhage in the brain, with =
an end=20
>           result of the tissue softening in that area
>Sore throat distemper - Diphtheria or quinsy
>Spanish influenza - Epidemic influenza
>Spasms - Sudden involuntary contraction of muscle or group of muscles,  =
like a
>          convulsion
>Spina bifida - Deformity of spine
>Spotted fever - Either typhus or meningitis
>Sprue - Tropical disease characterized by intestinal disorders and sore =
throat
>St. Anthony's fire - Also erysipelas, but named so because of affected =
skin
>          areas are bright red in appearance
>St. Vitas dance - Ceaseless occurrence of rapid complex jerking =
movements
>          performed involuntary
>Stomatitis - Inflammation of the mouth
>Stranger's fever - Yellow fever
>Strangery - Rupture
>Sudor anglicus - Sweating sickness
>Summer complaint - Diarrhea, usually in infants caused by spoiled milk
>Sunstroke - Uncontrolled elevation of body temperature due to =
environment
>          heat. Lack of sodium in the body is a predisposing cause
>Swamp sickness - Could be malaria, typhoid or encephalitis
>Sweating sickness - Infectious and fatal disease common to UK in 15th =
century
>
>Tetanus - Infectious fever characterized by high fever, headache and =
dizziness
>Thrombosis - Blood clot inside blood vessel
>Thrush - Childhood disease characterized by spots on mouth, lips and =
throat
>Tick fever - Rocky mountain spotted fever
>Toxemia of pregnancy - Eclampsia
>Trench mouth - Painful ulcers found along gum line, Caused by poor =
nutrition
>          and poor hygiene
>Tussis convulsiva - Whooping cough
>Typhus - Infectious fever characterized high fever, headache, and =
dizziness
>
>Variola - Smallpox
>Venesection - Bleeding
>Viper's dance - St. Vitus Dance
>
>Water on brain - Enlarged head
>White swelling - Tuberculosis of the bone
>Winter fever - Pneumonia
>Womb fever - Infection of the uterus.
>Worm fit - Convulsions associated with teething, worms, elevated =
temperature
>          or diarrhea
>
>Yellowjacket - Yellow fever
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:37:45 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Painting Canoes

Ho Cutleg,

A friend did his fiberglass canoe in such a fashion some years back, looked
real convincing. The canoe was white to start with and I don't have any
suggestions other than white paint, probably with a tinge of grey,
however... The "bark was obtained very convincingly through the use of
electricians black tape! Made the bark cracks  (not the butt cracks) stand
out really well.

Good Luck

Vic

>Dear List:  I have just been given a 15' polyurethane (?) canoe with
>internal aluminum bracing.  The body of the canoe is somewhat flexible.
>
>Query.  I want to paint it to look somewhat like a birchbark canoe.  What
>type paints should be used on the body and/or the bracing?  What colors are
>used to simulate birchbark?  What color for the "wood"/aluminum? I have seen
>canoes painted in this fashion before, and some looked quite good.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thank you.  Paul W. Jones
>Paul W. Jones
>[e-mail]


Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin

AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
"Aux aliments du pays!"

Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:36:55 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Painting Canoes

I know someone who did their Kevlar canoe to look more like a Birch Bark.
 As the Kevlar had a natural color, painting was not needed.  The 'seams'
were painted using  the material for sealing cut off tree branches, a tar
like substance.  This looked good, as it had texture.  The fellow said
when the canoe sat in the sun, as when tied to the top of the car, the
'seams' softened up some, but didn't run.  Just be careful when
unloading.  Once in the water, it was solid.  This tree tar is readily
available, and easily touched up.  Check out pictures of Birch Bark
canoes to compare seam styles.  Hardtack

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:17 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Medical Terms for Cause of Death (fwd)

One note on the "bloody flux", it is also a commonly used colonial term, and
was used in England from the earliest times.  It was probably typhus likely
caused by  drinking bad water..however it is interesting to note that many
diseases our ancestors suffered from are now extinct,  thus we may never know
the EXACT diagnoses.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:30:25 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: MtMan-List: Web Site..

Hello,
  I finally have a web site up. There may be a couple of glitches left
on it, but I am working to clean them up...
 You are welcome to visit and sign the guestbook...Be nice!<G>

- --  http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
Thanks!

           Dennis Miles
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
        DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
 Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:34:25 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Timber = 40 Furs

While researching another weights and measures question I came across the
following at:
<http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html>


begin dictionary quotation................................

timber
a traditional unit of quantity for furs equal to 2 score or 40. This unit,
which persisted at least into the nineteenth century, originated because
furs were shipped in units of 40 pressed between two boards or timbers.

end dictionary quotation................................

John...



Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:09:52 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A couple of questions about trail foods

Dear Grant'

The Indians along the course of the Columbia and other rivers here in the Oregon
territories dry great quantities of salmon and other oily fishes on racks over
smoky smudge fires, the smoke tending to impart a bit of flavor and also keeping
the flys away for the short time it takes the flesh to dry over the outside of the
fish thus keeping the fly from laying her eggs. They do not cook the fish first
since the drying proccess is quit all that is needed to render the fish edible and
preserved for a long time. We like to soak our fish, i.e.salmon, white fish,
trout, sturgeon, carp and catfish. in a brine of salt and sugar over night before
the smoking process to impart a more pleasing flavor to the meat. This does not
make the fish last longer, quit the opposite, the smoked fish is so tasty that it
is consumed very rapidly, especially if someone has made a great quantity of beer!

The Indians of the Upper  and mid Missourri, i.e. the Mandans and Hidatsa in
particular, grow large quantitys of squash and they dry it on racks in the sun but
without the use of smudge fires. It is not required that the squash be cooked but
rather it must just be sliced in thin enough rings across the fruit so as to dry
thouroghly. A 1/2 inch thick is about right. Cut the end of long oval squash off
and slice into rings, removing the seeds and pulp. The seeds may be roasted and
salted in the shell of some squash like pumpkins and made into a fun treat. String
the rings of squash on long sticks and suspend in the air well off the ground.
Though the Indian leaves the rind, we find the squash to be much better if the
rind is trimmed before drying.

The results of your labors will give you  meat and vegitable products that are
portable and which may be eaten as is or cooked into a stew or what ever by the
addition of water. I like both fish and squash dry as a snack on the trail or in
camp. I DO NOT LIKE FISH RESOAKED AND COOKED AS WELL AS I LIKE SQUASH THUS
PREPARED.

I hope this has been of help to you. Let me know how your efforts have turned out.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

[e-mail] wrote:

> I was reading an article last night in the Book of Buckskinning VI about trail
> foods.  Although it didn't really tell me anything that I didn't already know,
> it did bring to mind some questions.  It spoke of drying squash such as
> pumpkin and this may be the dumb question of the year, but do you cook the
> squash before drying it?  The other dumb question is about drying fish, do you
> cook it before drying?  If anyone has advice on drying fish, I would be very
> interested to hear it as that is one trail food that is readily available
> either at the store or the lake.  Many thanks for any replies.
>
> Grant

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:06 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1870's era packaging

Dear Paul'

I just got back from the Rocky Mts. at Elk Park and saw your question below.
I stopped at Ft. Bridger and though I was more interested in the old fur
trade stockade, I see that most of the buildings and museum displays are
devoted to the use of the fort as an army post in the late 1800's. The
museum has quit a bit of stuff from the quarter masters stores and I saw
many fine examples of "packaging" from cartridges to food. You may wish to
steer your friend to that type of museum. I can't help any more than that
except to suggest that places like Ft. Bridger and Ft. Larimie etc., since
they were Army posts, would have collected examples of packaged goods.

Hope this has given you some ideas.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

[e-mail] wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a friend who participates in 1870's Indian Wars reenacting.  Does
> anyone have any suggestions as to where he might find information as to
> "packaging" for items traded on the frontier of that era?
>
> Appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Regards,  Paul W. Jones

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:27:50 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: pants pattern

I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an Eagle
View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you would
normally wear. I am assuming that this is because the buckskin will stretch
but I'd hate to cut these hides too small after all the work it took to tan
them, plus I may put on a few pounds over the years and don't want to
outgrow them. Has anyone used this pattern on buckskin and if so what do you
recommend?


Kirk Mill

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:10:02 -0600
From: "Ron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

Hi Kirk,
I was told to make a pair of pants out of cloth before cutting any leather.
That way you're sure of a fit! Hope this helps!

Ron

Ron's Idaho Pages
<http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/>
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> From: Mill, Kirk <[e-mail]>
> To: ML MAILING LIST <[e-mail]>
> Cc: history mailing list <[e-mail]>
> Subject: MtMan-List: pants pattern
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:27 AM
>
> I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an
Eagle
> View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
> recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you would
> normally wear. I am assuming that this is because the buckskin will
stretch
> but I'd hate to cut these hides too small after all the work it took to
tan
> them, plus I may put on a few pounds over the years and don't want to
> outgrow them. Has anyone used this pattern on buckskin and if so what do
you
> recommend?
>
>
> Kirk Mill
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:10:42 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

Mill, Kirk wrote:

> I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an Eagle
> View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
> recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you would
> normally wear......

I would reccommend stretching the leather fully before cutting your pattern.
This will take out much of the problem with baggyness later.Then cut the pattern
to fit as close as you can, but not a size too small.  If they stretch too much
later you can unstich, trim and rebuild the pants.  If you cut too small its
real frustrating to try and add leather.

Chris Sega

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:01:32 -0600
From: "Lee Cardon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

This is kind of off topic, but can anybody tell me where to get a good
pattern for a Henry style vest (The one with the lapels) ?

Thanks,
Lee C.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:50 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: pants pattern

The pattern company probably assumes the use of commercial tanned
deerskin, which is VERY stretchy, and the normal recommendation is to
wet, stretch, and let dry the hides before sewing, which will often
increase the size by 15-20%. Even then, some additional stretching can
be expected which might support the pattern's recommendation. Brain
tanned is already thoroughly stretched in the final process, so I would
cut it like cloth, knowing that some slight stretching may occur in the
knees, and allowing for some weight gain. As you note, it may be
tiresome to take in a seam if they're too loose, but better than being
too tight. Also keep in mind that legs and sleeves tend to get shorter
with use, as the leather stretches a little in the other direction, and
bunches up a bit with use, so make the legs a few inches longer than you
think and don't trim until thoroughly tested (if your hides are long
enough of course).
Good luck!
Pat Quilter.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mill, Kirk [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:28 AM
To: ML MAILING LIST
Cc: history mailing list
Subject: MtMan-List: pants pattern


I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an
Eagle
View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you
would
normally wear. I am assuming that this is because the buckskin will
stretch
but I'd hate to cut these hides too small after all the work it took to
tan
them, plus I may put on a few pounds over the years and don't want to
outgrow them. Has anyone used this pattern on buckskin and if so what do
you
recommend?


Kirk Mill

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:55 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: MtMan-List: pants pattern

Kirk,

I made a pair of pants using this pattern a few years back. I used elk skin
and cut the pattern to my normal size (I guess I didn't read the part about
1 size smaller). They came out very nice, but here is what I would change
now if I could find the time. You may want to verify these with your actual
body measurements before you cut out your pattern on leather.....

Length - they came out ~ 2 inches too long
leg diameter - a little wide for my tastes
butt - too full
waist - just about right, the tie back helps with adjustments due to beer
consumption

When I find the time between other projects I intend to turn them inside out
and re-fit closer to my actual dimensions. This will result in some waste
that you may want to avoid. I used skins that were given to me, so I'm not
so sensitive to this as I would be if I used my own home tanned skins. You
want some fullness in legs and butt or else you won't be able to bend down
to fetch something off the ground, but mine are WAY too loose.

I was afraid, too that thay might come out too small, my first pair and all,
but if you measure carefully, you can get good results from minor
modifications in any pattern.

Use your inseam length for the leg length, these are high waisted, as they
should be, but from crotch to ground is a fixed distance, usually.

Measure your thigh and calf diameter, taper the legs accordingly with around
to one to one and one-half inches or so extra.

I'm not sure how to adjust the seat fullness before cutting, but once the
pants are made, this can be done easily along the rear seam, be careful you
don't want these too tight. Those real high notes are best left away from
the campfire.

I liked the detail of the waistband and really this is the hardest part of
the construction. Once this is finished, sew up the legs and you're done.

Good luck,
Red Coyote

> ----------
> From:     Mill, Kirk
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:27
> To:     ML MAILING LIST
> Cc:     history mailing list
> Subject:     MtMan-List: pants pattern
>
> I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an Eagle
> View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
> recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you would
> normally wear. I am assuming that this is because the buckskin will
> stretch
> but I'd hate to cut these hides too small after all the work it took to
> tan
> them, plus I may put on a few pounds over the years and don't want to
> outgrow them. Has anyone used this pattern on buckskin and if so what do
> you
> recommend?
>
>
> Kirk Mill
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:58:13 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pants pattern

>I've got my hides tanned and I'm ready to start cutting. I bought an Eagle
>View Broadfall Breeches/Pants pattern as someone recommended. The notes
>recommend cutting the leather a full size smaller than the size you would
>normally wear. I am assuming that this is because the buckskin will stretch
>but I'd hate to cut these hides too small after all the work it took to tan
>them, plus I may put on a few pounds over the years and don't want to
>outgrow them. Has anyone used this pattern on buckskin and if so what do you
>recommend?
>
>
>Kirk Mill

I have a pattern for a hunting frock that says the same thing.  To make one
out of skins (leather) instead of cloth, it says to cut a size smaller.  I
think I won't, for the reason you enumerated.  It's easier to alter one
that's too large than one that's too small.  And we 'skinners do tend to
"grow" with age.

Cheers,
HBC

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:38:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Painting Canoes

The Jan\Feb 1993 issue of Muzzle Loader magazine has an article by Robert
Mulligan called "Paint Your Canoe to resemble Birchbark." He starts with a
primer coat of "grayish-green tinted brown" inside and a "rose-colored tan" on
the outside.  The white of the birchbark was placed to the inside so the outer
layer was not white as you might expect.  The outer layer was the smooth,
pinkish,light-brown cambium layer of bark.

Inside, he next uses light pinkish-brown paint on a brush wiped nearly dry,
pulled straight back parrallel to the keel.  This represents three inch wide,
2 foot long strips of cedar or ash which was used to give a strong, yet light
backing to the bark skin of the canoe.  This "planking" follows the inside
curve of the canoe.

Seats, thwarts, gunwales, etc are done in a deep yellow representing the bare
wood of cedar or ash framing used by Indians.

Outside, seams are painted first with a one to two inch wide brush.  Start
with the broad keel seam at both ends.  The mid-ships was usually one big
piece of bark with no seam along the keel.  Next, paint the large center peice
of bark which forms the mid-ships.  Then, the pieced-together look of raised
ends with reinforcing pieces over the mid-ships gunwales.

Mulligan gives "The Bark Canoes and Skin Boats of North America" by Edwin T.
Adney & Howard I. Chappelle, and "The Canoe" by Kenneth G. Roberts & Phillip
Shackleton as his references.  another source for color pictures of paintings
is "The Illustrated Voyageur" by Howard Siverston.

I know I have chopped the article into tiny pieces.  If you don't have access
to the back issue, drop me an e-mail off-line or give me a call, and give me
your address.  I'll mail you a copy.

Jim Hardee  AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:24:36 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

Hello fellow Skinners,
I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the Fur Trade
here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more about
the mighty Rocky Mountains.

Keep your powder dry,
Don
Brown Lodge Boy
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: any vous or info on Colorado?

Hallo Don

try the following URL for colorado...
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9749/index1.html

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
> I am new to the Denver, Colorado area. I am looking for info on the Fur Trade
> here and any good vous to attend. I am looking to learn and read more about
> the mighty Rocky Mountains.

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:18:31 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Painting Canoes

Dear Paul'

Thought I'd wade in with some thoughts. Hope your canoe is paintable, since some
plastics are real hard to put paint on but if it's possible you might concider
that real birchbark canoes are made with the white outer bark turned to the
inside and this white bark is further covered with overlapping cedar strips that
serve to reinforce the bark and give the canoe some of its shape. The outer
surface of the canoe is a light brown color a bit like fresh western red cedar
(not red but that color of brown). The thwarts and bracing inside the canoe are
of cedar or other light strong wood and have a golden brown color. There are
many rows of spruce root lashings along the gun'ls and stem and stern edges that
have a darker brown look. The seams that have been covered with pitch pine and
charcoal are black and of somewhat uneven width.

If you can get close to a real birch bark canoe you will see that it is rich
with detail that would be worth recreating on your modern canoe to give it the
ambiance of the real thing. Might not be easy but shore would be worth the
effort. My companion, Col. Mike Dorssett has a birch bark canoe that we use as
much as time will allow in the lakes of the Pacific NW. I understand your disire
to make your modern canoe look more authentic. I have used my green Old Town for
quit a few years but recently took the time to build a 19' batteau for our
several water treks and enjoy greatly the fealing of going into camp in a period
correct  craft.

Hope this has been of some help. Let us know how it comes out!

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> Dear List:  I have just been given a 15' polyurethane (?) canoe with
> internal aluminum bracing.  The body of the canoe is somewhat flexible.
>
> Query.  I want to paint it to look somewhat like a birchbark canoe.  What
> type paints should be used on the body and/or the bracing?  What colors are
> used to simulate birchbark?  What color for the "wood"/aluminum? I have seen
> canoes painted in this fashion before, and some looked quite good.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.  Paul W. Jones
> Paul W. Jones
> [e-mail]

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