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hist_text-digest        Thursday, July 9 1998        Volume 01 : Number 099




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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:22:21 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Western National Rendezvous

Ok, I'll take the lead in this.
For all those interested, I will post a note on the bulletin board at the
Rendezvous stating a time and place for E-mail group participants to gather.
Then we can put names with faces and have some fun.

Tentatively plan on Saturday evening around five, then again later in the week
for lat comers.

See you all there...happy trails!

Todd Glover

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:A Conservation Question

With regard to desktop scanners and UV light, don't worry about it.
Unless you have some super cheapo scanner, the bed or the scanner is
made out of glass.  Glass filters out all or nearly all of the UV.
That is why lenses that are designed to work in that spectrum are made
out of fluorite i.e. UV light will not make it through normal glass
lenses.  Also, have you ever noticed that "skylight UV" lens filters
kind of look like clear glass, well they are.  Granted it is optical
grade but clear none the less.

As for the 3400 degree kelvin lights.  The only reason to use color
balanced photo flood lights would be to accurately reproduce colors.
If you are shooting copies of old black and white photos, any light
source will due.  It you are copying some old paintings and color is a
consideration you may be better off using strobes and daylight
balanced film.  As hard as UV might be on these type of articles, the
heat generated from tungsten lights may be worse.  Be sure and check
the film specs first, most professional tungsten film is balanced for
3200 kelvin.

For black and white photos that have yellowed, use a blue filter to
cancel out the yellow and restore the contrast.

If you don't have your own B&W darkroom or access to one, you might
consider using some of the Ilford chromogenic type film for your black
and white copy work.  The film is B&W but it is processed in C-41
color chemistry just like color negative film.  This way you can take
the film to your local one hour photo lab to have it processed and
printed.  They may be a little befuddled with it but after they find
out that the pictures are supposed to be black and white everything
will be all right.

                    Dennis




- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> John
> The ultra violet light produced by nearly all desktop scanners can
be very
> hazardous to inks and emulsions of old photographs. Repeated scans
can double
> or triple the fade rate, or so I'm been told by archivists.  The
preferred
> method is to use tungsten (3400 kelvin) floods, photograph with high
quality
> lens, and a camera with a large format negative and 160 ASA tungsten
film.
> Burn a dozen or so prints with various exposures, then scan the
results, and
> use the digital contrast controls to bring out faded information.
>
> That's the approved fashion, and one I follow for most projects.
>
> However, for my own property, I scan it once at extreme resolution
(600 to
> 1200 dpi) and forget the traditional photography.  The reality is
that nothing
> can stop the aging process, and the additional data gained by
scanning the
> original once, at high resolution, saves important data and detail,
even if it
> slightly degrades the original.  I choose to risk it, but scanning
once and
> making multiple copies is important.  But then its a personal
choice.  If you
> start doing this a lot you should invest in Zip drives or something
similar.
> One 8x11 page scanned at high res can easily be over 100 megs.
>
> -john
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:40:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Artists

Dear List:

For some years, an artist named J.B. Clemmons came to virtually every
Western Rendezvou.  Does anyone know if he is still living, and if so, how
to contact him?  If he is deceased, does anyone have knowledge of art
dealers who handle/handled his work?

Am also trying to locate a California artist who did some very nice western
work by the name of Betty Billups.  Anyone have a clue as to how to contact her.

Am getting really to sell a large collection of art, including the named
artists, but also Ed Morgan, Hank LaShawe, Doug Prine, etc.  Before I sent
out photgraphs and a price list, I would like to have a better feel for the
market as to Billups and Clemmons.

Thanks.  Paul W. Jones
Paul W. Jones
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:04:31 -0700
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mark Baker's Book

Hello the list,

For those of you who are waiting for Mark Baker's book "Sons of a
Trackless Forest", it's finally out!
I just received my copy today!

Medicine Bear

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:08:27 -0500
From: esau777 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artists

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> For some years, an artist named J.B. Clemmons came to virtually every
> Western Rendezvou.  Does anyone know if he is still living, and if so, how
> to contact him?  If he is deceased, does anyone have knowledge of art
> dealers who handle/handled his work?
>
> Am also trying to locate a California artist who did some very nice western
> work by the name of Betty Billups.  Anyone have a clue as to how to contact her.
>
> Am getting really to sell a large collection of art, including the named
> artists, but also Ed Morgan, Hank LaShawe, Doug Prine, etc.  Before I sent
> out photgraphs and a price list, I would like to have a better feel for the
> market as to Billups and Clemmons.
>
> Thanks.  Paul W. Jones
> Paul W. Jones
> [e-mail]

 I was talking to Mr. Clemens last fall at an art exhibit at the
Indianapolis zoo. He was very much alive and still painting. I, like
you, have always appreciated his work ( and also, being a hoosier
myself, always try to support hoosier artists) I am including his URL:
http://members.aol.com/Jbclemens/index.html

Striker

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:02:28 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:A Conservation Question

In a message dated 98-07-07 01:12:28 EDT, you write:

<<  Glass filters out all or nearly all of the UV.  >>

Not totally true, glass filters out some, not all of the UV.  If glass
filtered out all of it none would get thru the glass bulb of the lamp or the
windows in a house.  Glass does filter out that part of the UV that causes sun
burn which is why you do not get sun burned sitting in your car with the
windows up.  But to filter out the part of the spectrum that fades inks or
dyes or causes sun rot you need specialized filters.  At the Smithsonian they
try to keep total light levels extremely low in displays of old fabrics or
documents to prevent damage to the artifacts due to light exposure.  And many
museums use UV filter films on windows to reduce damage to items near the
windows.

If you want to find out the best proceedure for copying rare books give Brian
Dunnigan a call at the University of Michigan Library.  Brian was the head of
the staff at Ft. Niagara and has worked with re-inactors for many many years.
Now he is working in the rare books section  the main graduate school library.
I think he may be able to be reached thru the Clements Library web site:
http://www.clements.umich.edu or by phone at 734-764-2347.

But in any case remember bright light of any kind does, over time, damage
fiber products i.e. paper or fabric, so the less they are exposed the longer
they will last.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:14:48 -0500
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: This weekends rendezvous

Just thought I'd say that I'll be at the Flambeau Rivere Rendezvous near
Bruce, Wisconsin this weekend. Actually it's between Bruce and
Ladysmith, north off of Hwy 8.  Day trip it there last year and found it
a very nice little vous with many friendly folks.  I have an 8 foot
diamond fly with a Les Voyageur du Val du Chippewa sign on the front if
any one else is there.

Jim

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  /`-_    Jim Lindberg                 |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa
 { .   }/ 724 East Grand Avenue        |
  \    /  Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter,
   |___|  http://reality.sgi.com/jal/  |Until we next meete.  Go Gentle.
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:48:12 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Western National Rendezvous

Teton'

Sounds good to me. Terri and I will be comeing in friday afternoon and will be
looking for a spot in short stay. It will be fun to meet you all. Have a safe trip
and see ou in UT.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

[e-mail] wrote:

> Ok, I'll take the lead in this.
> For all those interested, I will post a note on the bulletin board at the
> Rendezvous stating a time and place for E-mail group participants to gather.
> Then we can put names with faces and have some fun.
>
> Tentatively plan on Saturday evening around five, then again later in the week
> for lat comers.
>
> See you all there...happy trails!
>
> Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:25:10 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Brown's Hole

I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the early fur trade. I know
where Pierr'e's Hole, Jackson Hole, and the Three Forks, but I can't seem to
locate Brown's Hole or Cache Valley. Anyone want to help out a greenhorn?

Thanks,

Tom Laidlaw

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:26:36 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bents Fort

Does anyone have any info regarding the shindig at Bents Fort at the end of
July (24th and 25th)?  Can one camp out?  Are children welcome? Because of all
the recent brush fires in the Southwest, are they forbidding campfires?  How
does a "newbie" work their way into the group of 'reinactors'?  Just turn up
wrapped in buffallo skin waving a Winchester? Thanks..I am trying to get my
sons interested in this most fascinating chapter of history,...

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