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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:30:15 -0500
From: Bishnow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

John Kramer wrote:
>
> At 09:19 AM 7/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Can you summarize the procedure for those of us who don't have that
> >particular issue?
> >
> >Thanks
> >HBC
> >
> Henry,
>
> You should know better -- I don't seem to be able to summarize anything.  I
> will be happy to tell how to do it.  You guys might check the archive to
> see if
> I'm consistent I think I wrote on this over a year back on the list.
>
> TO LIGHT A CANDLE
> first published in The Tomahawk & Long Rifle,
> the journal of The American Mountain Men in '79 or '80,
> revised and rewritten 7/98.
> by John Kramer  #656
> _______________________________
>
> It was the winter of '78, I was camped with the Kentucky brigade and the Boy's
> out of Boone, NC at Saltpeter Cave in Kentucky.  To this point every man there
> was convinced you couldn't light a candle direct from a spark.  No one even
> knew of a reference to it being possible.  Except for one who said he'd
> seen it
> done.  Ol' Buffler Chip said he could do it.  Well -- we all said let's see
> it.
>
> He huffed and puffed and burned off about twelve pounds of hair.  He did
> finally coax the candle to life and we were all properly amazed, his face was
> real frizzy, smelled something awful.
>
> Once I'd seen it done I worked with it until I figured out how and why it
> worked and how to do it dependably.  The below information is what I sorted
> out.  I think this technique was such common knowledge in the past no one ever
> bothered to write it down.  When it wasn't needed anymore it was forgotten.
>  It
> works too well for it not to have been known.  I still have not encountered an
> early reference to the technique.
>
> The char is of utmost importance, if crumbly, it is very hard to work with.
> The best I've found is pure, well washed, bleached, heavy shirt linen.  I make
> it in a octangular Ted Cash iron tinderbox that I re-worked by riveting the
> hinge and peening out his trademark and fixing the latch, If you don't rivet
> the hinge first you will find out why you need to.  I use the same can to make
> char, that I keep char.
>
> I lay rectangles cut a little smaller than the can and just stack it full.
> Toss in the fire and rake out when it quits smoking.  Don't need no extra
> holes
> in the can.  The can lives in a belt bag with flint and steel held separate in
> a inner pocket.  If you store your striker set in the box with your char --
> like the catalog pictures show -- you'll have nicely powdered char.  You can
> build a fire with it, real hard to light a candle with.
>
> Take one full piece of char and roll into a snug bundle, use a tiny scrap of
> char to first catch the spark.  If you try and catch directly into the bundle
> you often damage the bundle making this harder.  I hold the scrap with my
> thumb
> on top of the flint edge, aligned with the striking edge, when in practice I
> could catch a spark consistently with a single strike.  Catching a spark has
> more to do with the angle the striker and stone edge come into contact with
> each other than anything else.  Practice is the only sure technique I know,
> you
> develop a feel for it.
>
> Strike a spark to the scrap, and transfer to the end of the bundle, bring
> candle and bundle together and very gently begin to blow and coax life to
> fire.  Again, once you do it a few hundred times you'll get a feel for it and
> will be able to do it quickly.
>
> Beeswax candles work the best for me.  The thing you're trying to achieve
> is to
> intensify the spark in the end of a rolled piece of char; to coax it's growth
> and intensity with carefully controlled and gently increased air flow to melt
> the wax - cause it to wick into the char - and get hot enough to burst the
> char
> to flame, use the rolled bundle to light the wick, use the wick to light
> anything.
>
> It can be done by holding the char to the wick so both ignite at once, its
> easier to work direct against the wax.
>
> The technique can be frustrating in a wind.  Shelter the candle and char from
> wind and stray breezes.
>
> You need careful control of a gradual increase of the air flow to insure
> success.  As the spark grows it can take more intensity to grow the heat still
> more.  Too much air too soon chills the contact and usually blows the char
> away.
>
> It has to get really hot and you have to develop a feel for when to suddenly
> quit blowing and let the flame burst to life.
>
> Really helpful in wet weather.  A little wax dripped in with the kindling
> and a
> constant flame applied can get nearly anything to burn.  Of course there are
> exceptions like bog logs.
>
> John...
>
> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
> John Kramer  <[e-mail]>
John,
  I appreciate the words of wisdom. I've tried to light a candle
with char before, not very successful. One thing you can carry your
flint and steel in the same tin. I had trouble keeping my char in
one piece and I made a pad of thick leather I put the char on the
bottom and then the flint and steel on top.Been carrying it like
this for 8 or 10 years and it works great.

Snakeshot #1593

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:27:39 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

At 10:30 AM 7/4/98 -0500, you wrote:

>=A0 I appreciate the words of wisdom. I've tried to light a candle=20
>with char before, not very successful. One thing you can carry your
>flint and steel in the same tin. I had trouble keeping my char in
>one piece and I made a pad of thick leather I put the char on the=20
>bottom and then the flint and steel on top.Been carrying it like=20
>this for 8 or 10 years and it works great.
>
>Snakeshot #1593
>=20

Yep,  tried that first.  Too slow and cumbersome for me.  Too much fumbling
digging stuff out.  Tougher to get to on horseback since there's no=
 convenient
place to set things down while sorting through the can.

If you're not real careful about the leather you choose the oils from=
 tanning
can pollute your char.  Too soft a leather and it might as well not be=
 there.=20
Leather takes up space that could hold more char.  I found it better for me=
 to
separate hard from soft 20 years ago.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:15:12 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-List:  Mt man-List: OilCloth

John,would you please elaborate a little more?



On 1998-07-03 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
   >Cc: [e-mail]
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   >I think the first thing I'd want to know is what type of oil was
   >used on the cloth.
   >I have had great success using a formula of linseed oil, turpentine
   >(not mineral spirits) and iron oxide.  Makes #10 & 12 canvas very
   >waterproof. The down side is it does add weight.  The iron oxide is
   >an authentic addition, produces the proper color and aids greatly
   >in filling the pores of the cloth, as it were.  I can elaborate
   >further if anyone is interested.
   >John  Funk
   >Man is judged not so much by the friends he keeps but by the ones
   >that will call him friend.
   >____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:11:44 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: happy fourth

Hey Edge

I have a piece of beatuiful left handed sambar stag crown, truly nice piece,
need a piece of right handed sambar stag crown, can we swap ? ? ?

watch your topknot john

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:34:31 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Dear Friends'

Just got back from Pierre's Hole and see that many are looking to see how it went.
Joe 'moonshine joe' and I traveled to the site on Tuesday and arrived that evening
at dusk. We were greeted by many old friends and one hell of a light show and rain
squall. I cosyied in with one of my own Party, Mike Duncanson and Joe went into
camp with Gene "Le Bisque" Ericson  and others of his Party. The rain and
lightning eventually stopped and before I knew it it was "Tieton Revelly" with the
sun coming up over the Grand Tietons and right into my left eye, which was the
only thing sticking out of my blanket. I got in the habit of getting up at first
light and blowing up a fire to have tea and coffee ready for my camp mates each
morning simply because the sun came up so intensely. Within an hour the
temperature would be in the 70's or 80's and remained like that most of the rest
of each day we stayed.

The camp was a rather quiet camp until Wednesday night, when Jeff, Mark and Berry
of the Black River Party came into camp from their home grounds west of Mt.
Rainier. They are very accomplished at rendering sea chanteys and British drinking
songs quit melodiously and with volume and their repituare of tunes include some
of the most bawdy tavern songs ever written. They were made to sing and sing they
did, probably until well after midnight. Rum was in short supply from that night
on. 'Curly Horn' (clerk for the David Tompson Party) brought his now famous Shrub
recipe and that also contributed to the shortage of rum and other mixable spirits.

There were many Rocky Mt. Colleges being offered each day and most all
participated in what they were interested in. All presentations seemed to be well
attended. One class in particular sparked some Tom-foolery. Our Western Segundo
was doing a two part college on tracking skills when the idea Grew to have the Gro
Vonte collect vengeance on the White Devil by kidnaping the Segundo's lady friend
and seeing if he could track her back into his protective embrace. Thursday AM
came and the Segundo took his students out for their field study and while they
were gone the Gro Vonte raiders came into camp and spirited the lovely young lady
away in the opposite direction. It was reported that a well trampled trail strewn
with various articles of clothing being warn by the victim of this dastardly
attack was followed and lost by the trackers and they were forced to return to
camp with out the young lady in question. Some time later 'Taos' and 'Shines' were
seen helping the victim into camp where she was reunited with her protector!? The
particulars of her abduction and subsequent escape will have to wait for the
return to the settlements of some of the principals more deeply involved in this
most sordid affair and the capture and interrogation of one or more of her
abductors. I can give no names as I am sworn to a certain level of brigade
loyalty.

The camp site chosen for this gathering was up a fine little spring fed creek that
ended in a series of small beaver ponds half hidden in the willow thickets of the
lower part of the little side canyon we were in. We had plenty of shady and grassy
spots in a long upper meadow to choose campsites from and camp ended up being well
spread out up the little valley. Camp started about 1/2 mile up from the last
place wagons could navigate. Not so far that many did make a regular pilgrimage to
the wagon lot to see what could be had off the tailgate of this or that wagon.

I saw that many small groups went on 'foot' and 'mounted' scouts each day up the
valley from camp and I assume some may have gone as high as the snow covered ridge
a 1000 feet or so above our site. Mike Duncanson and I scouted up from camp one
day ourselves and were treated to a magnificent view of the West side of the Grand
Tietons including the snow covered Table Mountain. Lots of snow still in the High
Country and most streams including Tieton Creek down in the valley below us was
straining over their banks. It will be dangerous to ford many of these streams yet
and travelers to Elk Park on Utah 44 south of Ft. Bridger should take extra time
with their pack strings if not very experienced in crossing moving water.

Moon Shine Joe and I were up at first light Saturday morning and by 0630 had our
wagon loaded and down in the main valley well on our way back to our home
territory near the confluence of the Columbia and Snake Rivers.

I will be on the trail again by thursday night this week headed for Elk Park Utah
and hope to see some of you there. As was suggested, we should meet to put faces
to names, si? I hope this has been of interest to you all and I would like to have
gone into detail on a new plan to aquire land for a permanent Home site but I
think that should be left to the Leadership to elaborate on. I will close for now
and finish reading my mail.

Your Most Obedient and Humble Servant
Capt. Roger Lahti, Clerk
Wilson Price Hunt Party, NW Brigade



[e-mail] wrote:

> Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how things
> went.
>
> Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National in
> Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail group
> participants.
>
> Todd Glover

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:29:38 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Dear Les'

Sorry you couldn't make it to Pierre's Hole. It was a good site and a good camp and
I have posted a short report on the list that should come up soon if not already.

If you can make the Rocky Mt. Nat. it is July 10 just south of Flaming Gorge. Turn
south off I-80 on SR530 or SR191 between Evenston  Wyo. and Green River. The
Rendesvous site is just to the south off SR44 on the UT. side of the border and more
on the west side of Flaming Gorge. I'm sure they will have the road in well marked
and it was not hard to find the last time it was held there as I recall. Have a safe
trip and hope we see you there.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

Les Chaffin wrote:

> I am not able to go the AMM National and I live here in Idaho(sometimes I hate
> working).  Where is Elk Park, Utah?
>
> Les
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how things
> > went.
> >
> > Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National in
> > Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail group
> > participants.
> >
> > Todd Glover
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   Les Chaffin <[e-mail]>
>   ISU Twin Falls Computer Center Manager
>
>   Les Chaffin
>   ISU Twin Falls Computer Center Manager  <[e-mail]>
>                                           Netscape Conference Address
>                                           Netscape Conference DLS Server
>   Additional Information:
>   Last Name     Chaffin
>   First Name    Les
>   Version       2.1

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Date: 05 Jul 98 16:34:24 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OilCloth..

Old Fos  -  Hang it up on the side of a garage or barn or some such where =
it will be in the shade ALL of the time.  May take some time toa cure or =
dry out, but should do it in a week or two.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

John Kramer wrote:
>At 11:07 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>A while back we discussed diamond shelters and someone posted how to =
make
>>oilcloth using linseed oil.=A0 I have a different question along the =
same
>lines.
>>
>>Back in March of this year I obtained enough commercially producted =
oilcloth
>>to make a 10X10 diamond.=A0 I just got it back from the tentmaker last =
nite.=A0 I
>>have two questions:
>>
>>!.=A0 Does anyone know what type of oil is used to make commercial =
oilcloth?
>>
>>2.=A0 How does one cure it for use?
>>
>>This stuff just dripped oil when still on the bolt.=A0 After 4 months, =
it is
>>still pretty slick and the stuff gets on your hands and everything it
>touches.
>>
>>OldFox
>>(expecting a wealth of knowledge from John Kramer, who seems to know
>>everything)
>> =
>
>Haven't got a clue about modern oil cloth.  Doesn't sound like anything I =
ever
>made.
>
>One of the receipts in the 1804 book has to do with waterproofing wool, =
silk
>and cotton.
>
>John...
>
>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>John Kramer  <[e-mail]>
>
>
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Date: 05 Jul 98 16:34:32 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National ..Rendezvous

Roger - Glad you had a good time at the Amm Nationals.  Sure wish I
couyld have been there, but you know how it is jugling vacation time .  We will
be coming into Elk Park on Monday night.  Let us know where and when for
the e-mail conference and we will be there.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

Roger Lahti wrote:
>Dear Les'
>
>Sorry you couldn't make it to Pierre's Hole. It was a good site and a
good
>camp and
>I have posted a short report on the list that should come up soon if not

>already.
>
>If you can make the Rocky Mt. Nat. it is July 10 just south of Flaming
>Gorge. Turn
>south off I-80 on SR530 or SR191 between Evenston  Wyo. and Green River.
The
>Rendesvous site is just to the south off SR44 on the UT. side of the
border
>and more
>on the west side of Flaming Gorge. I'm sure they will have the road in
well
>marked
>and it was not hard to find the last time it was held there as I recall.

>Have a safe
>trip and hope we see you there.
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti
>
>Les Chaffin wrote:
>
>> I am not able to go the AMM National and I live here in
Idaho(sometimes I hate
>> working).  Where is Elk Park, Utah?
>>
>> Les
>>
>> [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> > Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear
how
>things
>> > went.
>> >
>> > Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western
National in
>> > Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail
group
>> > participants.
>> >
>> > Todd Glover
>>
>>   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>   Les Chaffin <[e-mail]>
>>   ISU Twin Falls Computer Center Manager
>>
>>   Les Chaffin
>>   ISU Twin Falls Computer Center Manager  <[e-mail]>
>>                                           Netscape Conference Address
>>                                           Netscape Conference DLS
Server
>>   Additional Information:
>>   Last Name     Chaffin
>>   First Name    Les
>>   Version       2.1
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:34:53 -0700
From: [e-mail] (john c funk,jr)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Roger,

Many thanks for the update on the AMM Western.  It brought back many good
memories of the gathering at the Big Hole put on by the Upper Missouri
Outfit:  Doc Ivory and company.  I dearly miss the "bunch" and wish I
were still a part of it all. Sad time now prevail.

JoHn Funk


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will call him friend.

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:21:05 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Les,

Your signs looked great.  We all appreciated them.  We missed you.

Elk Park is in the Ashley National Forest between Vernal and Manilla.
Quite a few people fromt he AMM Western were headed to Elk Park to trade.

Did you get your truck fixed so that you are mobile again?

Dave

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> From: Les Chaffin <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous
> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:02 PM
>
> I am not able to go the AMM National and I live here in Idaho(sometimes I
hate
> working).  Where is Elk Park, Utah?
>
>
> Les
>
>
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how
things
> > went.
> >
> > Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western
National in
> > Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail
group
> > participants.
> >
> > Todd Glover
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:56:05 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

John
I was interested in your article as I never saw your original posting . At
Bent's we rolled the char and held it against the wick it worked quite well
but you are so right it does take practice to get quick about it. M. Branson
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel


At 09:22 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>John, Can you reprint the article here? Please.
>

Nope,  it was easier to re-write it than to find it.

John...

John T. Kramer, maker of:

Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
>>>As good as old!<<<

<http://www.kramerize.com/>

mail to: <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:26:42 -0600
From: Les Chaffin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

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Where is Elk Park and when is this rendezvous?


Les


Roger Lahti wrote:

> Dear Friends'
>
> Just got back from Pierre's Hole and see that many are looking to see how it went.
> Joe 'moonshine joe' and I traveled to the site on Tuesday and arrived that evening
> at dusk. We were greeted by many old friends and one hell of a light show and rain
> squall. I cosyied in with one of my own Party, Mike Duncanson and Joe went into
> camp with Gene "Le Bisque" Ericson  and others of his Party. The rain and
> lightning eventually stopped and before I knew it it was "Tieton Revelly" with the
> sun coming up over the Grand Tietons and right into my left eye, which was the
> only thing sticking out of my blanket. I got in the habit of getting up at first
> light and blowing up a fire to have tea and coffee ready for my camp mates each
> morning simply because the sun came up so intensely. Within an hour the
> temperature would be in the 70's or 80's and remained like that most of the rest
> of each day we stayed.
>
> The camp was a rather quiet camp until Wednesday night, when Jeff, Mark and Berry
> of the Black River Party came into camp from their home grounds west of Mt.
> Rainier. They are very accomplished at rendering sea chanteys and British drinking
> songs quit melodiously and with volume and their repituare of tunes include some
> of the most bawdy tavern songs ever written. They were made to sing and sing they
> did, probably until well after midnight. Rum was in short supply from that night
> on. 'Curly Horn' (clerk for the David Tompson Party) brought his now famous Shrub
> recipe and that also contributed to the shortage of rum and other mixable spirits.
>
> There were many Rocky Mt. Colleges being offered each day and most all
> participated in what they were interested in. All presentations seemed to be well
> attended. One class in particular sparked some Tom-foolery. Our Western Segundo
> was doing a two part college on tracking skills when the idea Grew to have the Gro
> Vonte collect vengeance on the White Devil by kidnaping the Segundo's lady friend
> and seeing if he could track her back into his protective embrace. Thursday AM
> came and the Segundo took his students out for their field study and while they
> were gone the Gro Vonte raiders came into camp and spirited the lovely young lady
> away in the opposite direction. It was reported that a well trampled trail strewn
> with various articles of clothing being warn by the victim of this dastardly
> attack was followed and lost by the trackers and they were forced to return to
> camp with out the young lady in question. Some time later 'Taos' and 'Shines' were
> seen helping the victim into camp where she was reunited with her protector!? The
> particulars of her abduction and subsequent escape will have to wait for the
> return to the settlements of some of the principals more deeply involved in this
> most sordid affair and the capture and interrogation of one or more of her
> abductors. I can give no names as I am sworn to a certain level of brigade
> loyalty.
>
> The camp site chosen for this gathering was up a fine little spring fed creek that
> ended in a series of small beaver ponds half hidden in the willow thickets of the
> lower part of the little side canyon we were in. We had plenty of shady and grassy
> spots in a long upper meadow to choose campsites from and camp ended up being well
> spread out up the little valley. Camp started about 1/2 mile up from the last
> place wagons could navigate. Not so far that many did make a regular pilgrimage to
> the wagon lot to see what could be had off the tailgate of this or that wagon.
>
> I saw that many small groups went on 'foot' and 'mounted' scouts each day up the
> valley from camp and I assume some may have gone as high as the snow covered ridge
> a 1000 feet or so above our site. Mike Duncanson and I scouted up from camp one
> day ourselves and were treated to a magnificent view of the West side of the Grand
> Tietons including the snow covered Table Mountain. Lots of snow still in the High
> Country and most streams including Tieton Creek down in the valley below us was
> straining over their banks. It will be dangerous to ford many of these streams yet
> and travelers to Elk Park on Utah 44 south of Ft. Bridger should take extra time
> with their pack strings if not very experienced in crossing moving water.
>
> Moon Shine Joe and I were up at first light Saturday morning and by 0630 had our
> wagon loaded and down in the main valley well on our way back to our home
> territory near the confluence of the Columbia and Snake Rivers.
>
> I will be on the trail again by thursday night this week headed for Elk Park Utah
> and hope to see some of you there. As was suggested, we should meet to put faces
> to names, si? I hope this has been of interest to you all and I would like to have
> gone into detail on a new plan to aquire land for a permanent Home site but I
> think that should be left to the Leadership to elaborate on. I will close for now
> and finish reading my mail.
>
> Your Most Obedient and Humble Servant
> Capt. Roger Lahti, Clerk
> Wilson Price Hunt Party, NW Brigade
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how things
> > went.
> >
> > Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National in
> > Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail group
> > participants.
> >
> > Todd Glover



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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:28:49 -0600
From: Les Chaffin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

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Thanks Roger

Les

Roger Lahti wrote:

> Dear Les'
>
> Sorry you couldn't make it to Pierre's Hole. It was a good site and a good camp and
> I have posted a short report on the list that should come up soon if not already.
>
> If you can make the Rocky Mt. Nat. it is July 10 just south of Flaming Gorge. Turn
> south off I-80 on SR530 or SR191 between Evenston  Wyo. and Green River. The
> Rendesvous site is just to the south off SR44 on the UT. side of the border and more
> on the west side of Flaming Gorge. I'm sure they will have the road in well marked
> and it was not hard to find the last time it was held there as I recall. Have a safe
> trip and hope we see you there.
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti
>
> Les Chaffin wrote:
>
> > I am not able to go the AMM National and I live here in Idaho(sometimes I hate
> > working).  Where is Elk Park, Utah?
> >
> > Les
> >
> > [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > > Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how things
> > > went.
> > >
> > > Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National in
> > > Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail group
> > > participants.
> > >
> > > Todd Glover
> >
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:00:50 -0500
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-List:  Mt man-List: OilCloth

For some good how-to ideas including oil cloth, see:

http://www.pconline.com/~sctrader/page33.htm

Jim

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:17:07 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rende

In a message dated 98-07-02 14:06:00 EDT, you write:

<<     [e-mail] (Les Chaffin) >>

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:45:15 -0700
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

I thought that the original question was whether or not you could light a candle
"directly" with a flint and steel.  The answer so far as I can see is "no" because
you have to use char to get the thing lit.  All that being said, I don't recall the
mountain me using candles anyway.  Has anyone come accross any mention of mountain
men using candles in the field?

                                    Dennis

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:46:28 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:A Conservation Question

John
The ultra violet light produced by nearly all desktop scanners can be very
hazardous to inks and emulsions of old photographs. Repeated scans can double
or triple the fade rate, or so I'm been told by archivists.  The preferred
method is to use tungsten (3400 kelvin) floods, photograph with high quality
lens, and a camera with a large format negative and 160 ASA tungsten film.
Burn a dozen or so prints with various exposures, then scan the results, and
use the digital contrast controls to bring out faded information.

That's the approved fashion, and one I follow for most projects.

However, for my own property, I scan it once at extreme resolution (600 to
1200 dpi) and forget the traditional photography.  The reality is that nothing
can stop the aging process, and the additional data gained by scanning the
original once, at high resolution, saves important data and detail, even if it
slightly degrades the original.  I choose to risk it, but scanning once and
making multiple copies is important.  But then its a personal choice.  If you
start doing this a lot you should invest in Zip drives or something similar.
One 8x11 page scanned at high res can easily be over 100 megs.

- -john

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