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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:20:51 -0700
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Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego.  Is it today or tomorrow that is the
anniversary date for his biggest mistake?  Know it is one of these days,
25 or 26 June.  Just thought I would remind all on this most solemn of
days.

Tim Austin

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:43:53 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patch Lube / BP Cleaner

>In a message dated 98-06-24 19:25:14 EDT, you write:
>
><<      [e-mail] (Roger Lahti) >>
>thanks capt did  custer take a marching band with him on his campaingns. or
>was some one pullin my leg.


Yes, he did, as it was common 19th century military practice to do so, in
the US and in Europe.  The regimental band was very much a part of the unit
in the field as it was in garrison.

HBC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:03:38 -0700
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: gary owen  town of

>In a message dated 98-06-24 22:55:11 EDT, you write:
>
><< [e-mail] >>
>ben all over that country an cant rember that town - absorkie -red lodge-
>colestrip-miles city-dont recall gary owen though. iron tounge

Its on the Crow Res, about half way between the N. and S. borders of.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:55:04 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy??

>Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego.  Is it today or tomorrow that is the
>anniversary date for his biggest mistake?  Know it is one of these days,
>25 or 26 June.  Just thought I would remind all on this most solemn of
>days.
>
>Tim Austin


June 25, 1876

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:47 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last!

Iron Tongue'

You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any
stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first
thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure.

I've got a buddy, John 'Digger' Pollack that just loves that tune and will give
anything to hear someone whistle it or play it on a tin whistle. I can whistle
it faster than I can play it!

By the by , for all of you that contributed to my further elucidation and
edification  concerning the fine points of the care and feeding of cap and ball
revolvers, my profuse thanks. The information provided will cause me to
re-evaluate the way I load my pistolas and will send me shopping for some much
larger round balls to use. I concede that poor nipple/cap conditions can cause
a chain fire, and I also realize that greasing the front of each chamber isn't
needed to prevent chain fires  if the right size ball/bullet is used. I will
continue with the caps I am presently using and use a larger size ball that is
prelubed with something like bee's wax and see how that works for ease of use
and accuracy.

This will be my final say on the subject and I look forward to discussions of
an earlier era!

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 98-06-24 19:25:14 EDT, you write:
>
> <<      [e-mail] (Roger Lahti) >>
> thanks capt did  custer take a marching band with him on his campaingns. or
> was some one pullin my leg.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:41:12 -0500
From: "Scott Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: off line

Yellowfeather,

Hope it isn't anything too serious. Good luck.

Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:17:42 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last!

>Iron Tongue'
>
>You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any
>stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first
>thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure.
>

He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH.  The Campaign of 1876 was to
be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the
gatling guns and wagons behind.  They never would have made it.  His
supplies were carried by pack mules.  Perhaps the best tactical decision he
made.  It went downhill from there.

Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840" topic?  :-)

Ok, no more on Custer.

Cheers,
HBC

*****************************************
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:43:20 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gary Owen and Custers Last!

custers wife wrote 3 books that are quite interesting reading-- I have
all three and it gives a different picture of custor than we thank
of--its--from a womens prospective of that time period-good reading if
you can get copies of--not many reprints available---one has all the
bugle calls of the time period at the starting of each chapter---to
include the notes---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:17:42 -0600 (CST) [e-mail] (Henry B.
Crawford) writes:
>>Iron Tongue'
>>
>>You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard
>any
>>stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my
>first
>>thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know
>for sure.
>>
>
>He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH.  The Campaign of 1876
>was to
>be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the
>gatling guns and wagons behind.  They never would have made it.  His
>supplies were carried by pack mules.  Perhaps the best tactical
>decision he
>made.  It went downhill from there.
>
>Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840"
>topic?  :-)
>
>Ok, no more on Custer.
>
>Cheers,
>HBC
>
>*****************************************
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>[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
>806/742-2442           Box 43191
>FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
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>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:27:56 -0700
From: Gary Bell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last!

Hears The Quiet,

Have you read up on George's brother Tom, who died with him at LBH?  Two
Congressional Medals of Honor, from the Civil War, I believe.  I know, my 'off
topic' alarm is going off, but this seems to interest a bunch of us....

Good luck on the revolver issue!

Heron

Henry B. Crawford wrote:

> >Iron Tongue'
> >
> >You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any
> >stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first
> >thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure.
> >
>
> He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH.  The Campaign of 1876 was to
> be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the
> gatling guns and wagons behind.  They never would have made it.  His
> supplies were carried by pack mules.  Perhaps the best tactical decision he
> made.  It went downhill from there.
>
> Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840" topic?  :-)
>
> Ok, no more on Custer.
>
> Cheers,
> HBC
>
> *****************************************
> Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
> [e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
> 806/742-2442           Box 43191
> FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
>                WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
> ******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:15:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lead and Iron Pots

Let's not get to paranoid about the lead.  Granted this stuff in not
real good for you but a little common sense should prevail.  Otherwise
we probably should not eat any animals that have been shot with lead
bullets or drink out of cups that use lead solder, or handle lead
bullets with our bare hands, use water from older homes with lead
pipes, or breath the air in Los Angles, etc.  Clean the pot until all
visible traces have been removed don't worry about it.  Use it at
rendezvous a lot to cook food for all the "camp dogs" that seem to
show up around the fire every day around mealtime.  Let them know you
used to use that pot for melting lead and I wager your food bill for
rendezvous will drop like rock.

              Dennis




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>
> In a message dated 98-06-24 14:57:26 EDT, you write:
>
> <<  [e-mail] >>
> i wouldnt use it for any thing but for melting lead its not worthit
 iron
> tounge
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:05:22 -0800
From: Jeanette Matthews <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Myers, John Myers

Am interested in bibliography of this author other than published books,
that is to say articles, monographs etc.  Am curious as to whether he is
still alive and publishing.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:11:01 -0500
From: "Ken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: good to go!

Howdy the list,
I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a
clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little
"roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore
but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a
bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making
stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as
ever!
YMDS,
yer mos disobediant servant,
YellowFeather

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:29:40 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!

Ken'

Knew you was full a' rocks! Thought they was in your head though! Glad it
wasn't real serious.

YMO( and Humble)S
Capt. Lahti

Ken wrote:

> Howdy the list,
> I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a
> clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little
> "roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore
> but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a
> bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making
> stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as
> ever!
> YMDS,
> yer mos disobediant servant,
> YellowFeather

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:43:46 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!

 I'm back and ornery as
>ever!
>YMDS,
>yer mos disobediant servant,
>YellowFeather


I'm glad of that.  If you weren't your old self, then something would be
seriously wrong.

Welcome back.

HBC


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[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:05:00 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!

Thanks Henry you said all that needed to be said about George today. The
battle lasted about as long as it takes a normal man to eat his lunch
according to the Sitting Bull. I believe the fight started in the early
afternoon on June the 25th, 1876, Sunday. Usually this is a holiday for some
of my wife's people.

Michael B.


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From: Henry B. Crawford <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:19:27 -0500
From: "Ken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to ??? Custer?

Howdy Mike,
Just a quickie, bumper stickers I have seen. Custer got Siouxed, Custer had
it coming, and Custer wore Arrow shirts. I love holidays! Tell the wife
that's a great idea!
YMDS,
Ken YellowFeather
Kawawak Tipsa

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> From: Michael Branson <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:05 PM
>
> Thanks Henry you said all that needed to be said about George today. The
> battle lasted about as long as it takes a normal man to eat his lunch
> according to the Sitting Bull. I believe the fight started in the early
> afternoon on June the 25th, 1876, Sunday. Usually this is a holiday for
some
> of my wife's people.
>
> Michael B.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry B. Crawford <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:23 -0500
From: "S.M.Despain-1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Custer Comments

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-24 01:48:46 EDT, you write:
>
> <<      [e-mail] (Gary Bell) >>
> gary the day custer was rubbed out they played gary owen and other tunes in
> the band custer had with him alwats on his marches so im told . his campaines
> wre extravagant rituals with full marching band so im told. as he was a bit of
> an egocintric basturd.      iron tounge

To All:

I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the
bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known
survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed and
on display in Kansas somewhere) but Custer did not have his band with
him on the Little Big Horn fight.  Yes, he did take it with him on his
winter campaign of 1868 that ended with the attack on Black Kettle's
Southern Cheyenne camp on the Washita River, the same Black Kettle that
Chivington of the Colorado Militia brutally attacked on Sand Creek in
1864.  Also, the entire command was not rubbed out on the Little Big
Horn.  Marcus Reno's and Fred Benteen's groups held a defensive high
ground up stream from last stand hill for a few days until the arrival
of the main command up the Big Horn.  Lastly, I am no fan of Custer, but
he has become the major scapegoat for a society seeking to ease its
concience.  He was merely and agent, be it an eccentric one, following
the orders and dictates of a society caught in the throws of Manifest
Destiny where natives stood as a barrior to the predenstined course of
the Anglo-American race in the American mind.


About the Town of Garryowen,  its a blink and you'll miss it type for
sure.  It is where the upper end of the Indian camp was, where Reno's
forces attacked and were driven back across the L. Big Horn to
Reno/Benteen hill.

Works of interest:

Richard Slotkin, The Fatal Environment (puts the last stand in
cultural         constructs of the day)
Stan Hoig, Battle of the Washita
Robert Utly, ed., Life in Custer's Cavalry (about 1868 Winter Campaigns)
Kenneth Hammer, ed.,  Custer in 76 (primary accounts from the survivors)
Elizabeth Custer, Boots and Saddles
______,  Following the Guidon
___ Grey,  Cenntenial Campaign
Jay Monahan, The life of George A. Custer

These are all of the top of my head. I know there are more.  Those
interested in other works about Custer contact me.


Matt Despain
Dept. of History
University of Oklahoma
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:00:45 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Garryowen, MT

In a message dated 98-06-25 01:55:21 EDT, you write:

<< ben all over that country an cant rember that town - absorkie -red lodge-
 colestrip-miles city-dont recall gary owen though. iron tounge >>

Garryowen, MT is about 17 miles south of Hardin, MT on I-90 (exit 514) where
Shoulder Blade Creek runs into the Little Bighorn River. It is also within
site of the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument (3 miles south as the
crow flies). It is on the Crow Indian Reservation being about 4 miles south of
Crow Agency.
Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:11:04 -0700
From: "David Klose" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:38:22 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments

YOU FORGOT ELISEBETH CUSTER'S BOOK TENTING ON THE PLAINS-- she wrote
three books-----
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:23 -0500 "S.M.Despain-1" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 98-06-24 01:48:46 EDT, you write:
>>
>> <<      [e-mail] (Gary Bell) >>
>> gary the day custer was rubbed out they played gary owen and other
>tunes in
>> the band custer had with him alwats on his marches so im told . his
>campaines
>> wre extravagant rituals with full marching band so im told. as he
>was a bit of
>> an egocintric basturd.      iron tounge
>
>To All:
>
>I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the
>bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known
>survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed
>and
>on display in Kansas somewhere) but Custer did not have his band with
>him on the Little Big Horn fight.  Yes, he did take it with him on his
>winter campaign of 1868 that ended with the attack on Black Kettle's
>Southern Cheyenne camp on the Washita River, the same Black Kettle
>that
>Chivington of the Colorado Militia brutally attacked on Sand Creek in
>1864.  Also, the entire command was not rubbed out on the Little Big
>Horn.  Marcus Reno's and Fred Benteen's groups held a defensive high
>ground up stream from last stand hill for a few days until the arrival
>of the main command up the Big Horn.  Lastly, I am no fan of Custer,
>but
>he has become the major scapegoat for a society seeking to ease its
>concience.  He was merely and agent, be it an eccentric one, following
>the orders and dictates of a society caught in the throws of Manifest
>Destiny where natives stood as a barrior to the predenstined course of
>the Anglo-American race in the American mind.
>
>
>About the Town of Garryowen,  its a blink and you'll miss it type for
>sure.  It is where the upper end of the Indian camp was, where Reno's
>forces attacked and were driven back across the L. Big Horn to
>Reno/Benteen hill.
>
>Works of interest:
>
>Richard Slotkin, The Fatal Environment (puts the last stand in
>cultural         constructs of the day)
>Stan Hoig, Battle of the Washita
>Robert Utly, ed., Life in Custer's Cavalry (about 1868 Winter
>Campaigns)
>Kenneth Hammer, ed.,  Custer in 76 (primary accounts from the
>survivors)
>Elizabeth Custer, Boots and Saddles
>______,  Following the Guidon
>___ Grey,  Cenntenial Campaign
>Jay Monahan, The life of George A. Custer
>
>These are all of the top of my head. I know there are more.  Those
>interested in other works about Custer contact me.
>
>
>Matt Despain
>Dept. of History
>University of Oklahoma
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:52:48 -0400
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go!

Ken wrote:
>
> Howdy the list,
> I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a
> clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little
> "roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore
> but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a
> bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making
> stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as
> ever!

Glad yer coming along so well, Ken!

Regards,

Fred

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:13:53 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy??

Solemn? its a day for celebration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On 1998-06-25 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
   >Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego.  Is it today or tomorrow that
   >is the anniversary date for his biggest mistake?  Know it is one of
   >these days, 25 or 26 June.  Just thought I would remind all on this
   >most solemn of days.
   >Tim Austin

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:13:53 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy??

Solemn? its a day for celebration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On 1998-06-25 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
   >Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego.  Is it today or tomorrow that
   >is the anniversary date for his biggest mistake?  Know it is one of
   >these days, 25 or 26 June.  Just thought I would remind all on this
   >most solemn of days.
   >Tim Austin

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:38:36 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men?

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The anniversary of Custer's downfall is over and the celebrations, etc =
should be finished by now.  Let's backtrack 40 or 50 years, OK?  There =
is probably a place for an Indian War Era discussion list and those =
interested should start one.  That, or this list should be expanded to =
include the entire 19'th century.  Did you know that a likely cause for =
the explosion that destroyed the Maine was a build up of coal dust in =
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:33:18 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments (last word, I promise)

>I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the
>bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known
>survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed and
>on display in Kansas somewhere)
>Matt Despain


Comanche is at the US Cavalry Museum, Fort Riley, Kansas.

Also, to add another tidbit, Custer was not the commander of the 7th.  He
was the deputy commander, with the rank of Lt. Col.  The commander was Col.
John Sturgis, who's health usually was not good so he was on detatched duty
in Washington, DC most of the time.  Custer was nominal commander ot the
regiment in Sturgis' absence.  By far, the best treatment of the LBH
episode is John S. Gray's _Centennial Campaign: The Sioux War of 1876_ (Old
Army Press, 1976.

Ok, THIS is my last word on Custer.

Let's talk about Bent's Fort.

Cheers,
HBC

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:37:34 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men?

>The anniversary of Custer's downfall is over and the celebrations, etc should
>>be finished by now...Did you know that a likely cause for the explosion that
>>destroyed the Maine was a build up of coal dust in her bunkers?
>Lanney Ratcliff
>

Hey, I didn't hear that theory.  Let's talk about that.

Just kidding  :-)

Cheers,
HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:56:45 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments

Matt,
I agree completely, come on people, let it go.

A historical note: Custers defeat at the Little Big Horn was not the
greatest  Indian victory over U.S. regular troops. That dubious honor goes
to the seven hundred  men under the command of Major General Arthur
St.Clair who were killed September17th, 1791 by Miami and Shawnee Indians
led by Little Turtle and Blue Jacket wiping out two thirds of the standing
United States Army at that time!!!
 Joe

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:31:43 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Visit Canada's fur trade historic sites

The U.S. dollar is now worth about $1.40 in Canada. If anyone in the
northern states has been planning to head north "one day", this would be a
great time to go. Where? Well, Winnipeg has Lower Fort Garry, the
reconstructed site of the HBC headquarters from the 1830's to the 1890's
(IIRC) and the Manitoba Museum of Man & Nature, which houses the
reproduction of the Nonsuch (the HBC's very first trading ship, used in
1670). In Ontario, Thunder Bay has Old Fort William, the reproduction of the
NWC's headquarters from 1803-1821, staffed with interpreters. (And the
wonders of Toronto & Ottawa, such as the Royal Ontario Museum, the National
Gallery, &c. &c.) Alberta has Rocky Mountain House National Historic Site,
and Fort Edmonton Park (in the towns of the same name), the beautiful Rocky
Mountain Parks of Banff & Jasper, & many historic sites associated with
David Thompson, Alexander Mackenzie, and other great explorers & fur
traders. The Calgary Stampede runs from July 3-12. And the folks near
Vancouver, B.C. might want to visit Fort Langley and participate in Brigade
Days (Aug 1-3).

How far does your money go? In Alberta, gas is currently $0.48/litre, which
works out to $1.42 Cdn/U.S gallon, or roughly $1 US/gallon. Motel rooms run
$30-$60 per night, depending on where you are and what your standards are.
(Of course, you can pay lots more if you want to.) And there is lots of
camping. So if you haven't finalized your plans yet, come up to Canada--
'cause we sure can't afford to go down to the States!

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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