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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:54:42 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: 1810 Recipie book

John,
Go ahead and purchase the paint book, I'll call on the food and booze book
Joe

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:19:17 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: MtMan-List: Revolver lube/chainfiring-the last word

Thank you, the list for the information on chainfirings/revolver lube.  I
realize that on the surface it may appear out of period, but it could be an
important topic for those who use Patersons with their pre-1840 impressions
(notwithstanding that historically, Patersons may never have been to a
rendezvous).  I am fortunate that I have the equipment, skills, and
knowledge to do impressions in many different 19th century periods and
scenarios, and therefore do not restrict myself to one era.  Indeed, by
virtue of my profession I am better served having a broad understanding and
knowledge of many 19th century historical themes.  Some 20-odd years ago, I
started in living history as a fur era buckskinner, and it remains one of
my favorite eras to do.

The jury is still out on chainfire causation, and both arguments are
compelling.  I think, since I am the one who started this string, and since
my original query was thoroughly answered, I am confident that the
question, for now, may rest, and I am therefore willing to yield to the
pre-1840 wishes of my listmates.  I am glad that my query was allowed to be
posted, however, for it shows the list owner's gracious willingness to tap
the broad knowledge base of list members, whose expertise often transcends
the pre-1840 rendezvous era.

Cheers,
HBC (aka Hears-The-Quiet)

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:56:41 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: HOW WILL WE GET AND KEEP  >PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES INTERESTED IN BUCKSKIA)

In a message dated 98-06-16 14:15:55 EDT, you write:

<< HOW WILL WE GET AND KEEP
 >PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES INTERESTED IN BUCKSKINNING. >>

At one re-inactment and one rendezvous this year I have seen a great activity
that involved kids and adults.  One of our club members noted that kids
grow/change so fast that it is often hard for us older folks to remember who
they are.  So he set up a scavanger hunt with beads in the hands of adults all
over the camp.  To get a bead kids had to go up and introduce themselves and
politely ask if they might be gifted a bead from the adult in question.  By
the end of the day at least one adult in every camp had met everyone of the
kids.  Only had to have 20 some strings of beads outhere to get the kids to
visit over 100 camps.  And you know the prize was simply a completed string of
fine beads for each kid which is all they really wanted they all had fun and I
met/re-met a lot of fine polite young men an women.

You humble servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:56:39 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Guns & Getting Kids Started in Buckskinning (not re: NMLRA)

In a message dated 98-06-15 10:23:58 EDT, you write:

<<
 Joy is found in learning.  Learning can be a great deal of fun.  If we aren't
 learning we wither.

 To me, though important, the shooting aspects are of no greater value than
any
 other aspect of whatever we choose to call: buckskinning, rendezvous, living
 history, working history, experimental history, reenacting, mountainmaning or
 whatever.

 The musician who tells of the history of the tunes they play, teaches us.
The
 storyteller who recounts ancient legend stimulates the mind around the late
 nite fire.  This is the stuff that I always thought made the experience
 worthwhile for the whole family.  Learning to knap from a master or still
 another of the many small secrets of fire; each is of equal importance to
 shooting.

 That and the spirit of camaraderie and community, of honor and integrity, of
 common trust.  If we foster these things it will not be hard to keep the kids
 interest.

 John...
 John T. Kramer, maker of:á
  >>

Thank you John well thought out and well said.

Your humble servant

C.T.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:34:23 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: 1810 Recipie book

At 09:54 AM 6/22/98 -0600, you wrote:
>John,
>Go ahead and purchase the paint book, I'll call on the food and booze book
>Joe

Joe,

Thanks, I'll get right on ordering.

John...
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:44:25 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: 1810 Recipie book

At 03:35 PM 6/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Alright Joe you responded first so you got the nod. The address is
>
>Smithfield Rare Books
>429 High Street
>Portsmouth, Va 23704
>[phone]
>
>The book can be described as follows since they don't have a cataloging
system
>
>On the right hand wall of the store when facing the front door
>halfway across and halfway down, in the rare book section
>Handwritten text from 1810, with marbled cover that has a slight tear in
>the front.
>about 7 x 9 inches, maybe 100 pages
>Contains recipies for such things as Milk Paint, Varnish etc...
>Has a price of $150.00 listed on the inside cover (light pencil)
>
>finding two such books matching that description would surprize the hell
>out of me.
>
>I completely trust than no one else will impede on your progress in this
>endeavor as we are all men of honor.
>
>Let us all know of your progress.
>
>Godspeed
>
>Vic
>

Vic, Joe and eager volunteers,

The book is bought.   Is to ship on the morrow.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:15:53 -0500
From: "Wefarmasmidgen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Prairie Vous and Colonial French Dress Book

Hi Jeff and All:

Most traders seem to have survived the "big blow" Thursday night with only a
few rips, lost stakes, downed tents, and a lot of wet goods and grass in
beads - especially on Friday, but cheer was good.   It was not a tornado,
but straight line winds - from my understanding, "off the jet stream."  Most
importantly, no one was seriously hurt.  The Saturday night  promised repeat
of the bad weather did not materialize (thank goodness).  It did rain,
lightning and thunder a bit, but no real nasties.

I, too, was impressed with the "Historical Colonial French Dress book".  Not
only pictures, but scaled-down patterns of the costumes.  This is an updated
book from a previous publication, and I thought quite a bit superior.  There
is also a similar publication for 1890's dress.  I hope that the scaled-down
patterns will be a trend in costume books.

Sally Bridgham at Wefarmasmidgen
in Beautiful Southwestern Wisconsin
[e-mail]
Farm Trails  http://www.farmtrails.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:27:36 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Revolver lube(chainfire myths)

Jim Colburn writes and Charlie Webb concurs:

>     A quick check of the literature (OK, I checked over 80 books plus a good
>  sized collection of periodicals, I figured someone would be calling OldFox
>  on this so I have been working on it since yesterday) shows the following:

LongWalker and Charlie,
Thanks for doing all the research for me.  You saved me tons of work.  Many
folks believe these old myths because someone told them once, that it should
be done that way, and they never stop to think about it.  They just believe
it.

I suppose that it is remotely possible for a chainfire to occur from the front
by using an undersized ball, but they would usually be forced forward in the
cylinder from recoil  after the first shot.  More often than not, this results
in a locked up action when the next cylinder rotates into position.

All the chainfires that I have seen resulted from improper sized or worn out
nipples, or as a result of someone pinching a #11 cap to hold it on, when they
should have been using a #10.  This can result in either a chainfire, or a
locked up action as well, when the cap gets caught between the cylinder and
the frame.

Thanks again for your research. (one more myth debunked)  When it comes to
Muzzleloading, these two guys know more than any ten of us combined.

OldFox

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:28:55 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooter bags

I would look for a copy of Madison Grant's book " The Kentucky Rifle Hunting
Pouch"

Regards M. Branson

From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 9:21 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: shooter bags


>I am looking for pictures of authentic shooters bags so that I can
reproduce
>them.  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
>Red Hawk
>
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:12:24 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: 1810 Recipie book

I gotta say it Dean, this is where your efforts to maintain this list truly
shine!

My hats off ta ya John! I'm tickled pink!

and thanks to you too Joe. twas the gentlemanly thing to do.




>Vic, Joe and eager volunteers,
>
>The book is bought.   Is to ship on the morrow.
>
>John...
>
>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>John Kramer  <[e-mail]>




Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin

AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
"Aux aliments du pays!"

Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:39:19 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: seeds

Are there still some seeds left?  I would like to send for some seeds
that aren't sprouted yet.  How long will they be able to be stored before
going bad?

Ted

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:39:18 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Men of the Cloth

Ah...I do not know any other people who have been married in the
traditional manner but have heard through Native American friends that
there are still some people who are getting married that way and consider
it the true marriage lifeways.

Ted

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:39:19 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Men of the Cloth

Was wondering if you have your own website?  I just had my picture added
to the American Catahoula Association website.  Just go straight to the
members list and look up my name and click on it.  You'll see a picture
of me that was taken on a windy day :)  Nothing fancy but plan to have my
own web page someday.

Ted

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:09:04 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pan Chargers

We seem to have some folks around here who have really studied up on guns.
I've got a question.

Are pan chargers really old?  Did most folks carry around a second horn with a
fine powder specifically to charge the pan?  If so what was the most common
form?  Does anyone really own any pre-1840 pan chargers?  How many old priming
horns are there?

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:31:10 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Prairie Vous and Colonial French Dress Book

On 1998-06-22 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
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OOPS I forgot to look you up:(  I think "HELLO FROM THE 18th CENTURY"(I
think that was the title) had a simmilar format but I didn't look at it to
close.

   >Precedence: bulk
   >Status:
   >Hi Jeff and All:
   >Most traders seem to have survived the "big blow" Thursday night
   >with only a few rips, lost stakes, downed tents, and a lot of wet
   >goods and grass in beads - especially on Friday, but cheer was good.
   >It was not a tornado, but straight line winds - from my
   >understanding, "off the jet stream."  Most importantly, no one was
   >seriously hurt.  The Saturday night  promised repeat of the bad
   >weather did not materialize (thank goodness).  It did rain,
   >lightning and thunder a bit, but no real nasties.
   >I, too, was impressed with the "Historical Colonial French Dress
   >book".  Not only pictures, but scaled-down patterns of the costumes.
   >This is an updated book from a previous publication, and I thought
   >quite a bit superior.  There is also a similar publication for
   >1890's dress.  I hope that the scaled-down patterns will be a trend
   >in costume books.
   >Sally Bridgham at Wefarmasmidgen
   >in Beautiful Southwestern Wisconsin
   >[e-mail]
   >Farm Trails  http://www.farmtrails.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:51:02 -0600
From: "Kirk L. Davis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Teepee Poles

I need a little help for a friend.  He is looking for a set of teepee
poles.  Does anyone know of a trader in the northern Utah, southern
Idaho area that sells peeled lodge poles?  I have met a trader named
"Dr. Shakey" who is out of Willard, Utah, but I don't know how to contact him.
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Kirk L. Davis
Salt Lake City, UT     [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:21:39 -0600
From: "William Metcalfe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teepee Poles

I secured a set of real nice 27' poles from Blackfoot Canvas (lodge =
maker) in Blackfoot, Idaho.

__
William Metcalfe
[e-mail]


- -----Original Message-----
From: Kirk L. Davis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:04 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Teepee Poles


>I need a little help for a friend.  He is looking for a set of teepee
>poles.  Does anyone know of a trader in the northern Utah, southern
>Idaho area that sells peeled lodge poles?  I have met a trader named
>"Dr. Shakey" who is out of Willard, Utah, but I don't know how to =
contact him.
>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Kirk L. Davis
>Salt Lake City, UT     [e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:07:53 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Revolver lube

use corn meal or gritts over the powder charge before you load the ball
and you wont have to worry about the chain fireing.  can still use the
lube if you want byt not required as much.  i normally coat my revolver
pistol bullets with vegitable oil and keep in a sealed container and use
no lubricant over the bullet.  only the gritts or cornmeal over the
powder charge-I use enough of the meal or gritts to get the ball to the
front of the chamber of the cylinder and it seems quite accurate---shot
several possibles at 25 yds with this combination-still have to clean the
gun after several cylinders have been fired-normally 5 or 6. I use this
on a steel frame remington--has a .005 cylinder clearance.

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:08:47 -0600 (CST) [e-mail] (Henry B.
Crawford) writes:
>John, and the list,
>
>What about a black powder revolver lube for those of us who also do
>periods
>outside the Rondy era?  What is a period-correct (1840s-70s) lube that
>would work.  You know those chambers get warm in the summer and I've
>had a
>heck of a time keeping them sealed on hot days.  When the revolver is
>in
>it's holster on my belt, the chambers are pointing down and if the
>grease
>is melted and flowing, out it comes.  I've had a few chain-firings
>that
>way.  I'd like to use some substance that would seal the chambers and
>not
>leak out.  It should also lube the bore when fired.  For now I use
>oiled
>wonder wads, but they're expensive.  Who's got another idea?  Is
>beeswax a
>good choice?  Does it lube the bore?
>
>Thanks,
>HBC
>
>*****************************************
>Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
>[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
>806/742-2442           Box 43191
>FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
>               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
>******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:36:02 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooter bags

sugggest you get a copy of "the kentuckey rifle hunting pouch  1750-1880"
by madisom grant--good book cost about $35.00  in mountain state
muzzleloading catalog  order number 302058---

this is probably one of the best books on shooting bags out on the market
today good photoes and you can get a lot of good ideas---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:07:19 EDT <[e-mail]> writes:
>I am looking for pictures of authentic shooters bags so that I can
>reproduce
>them.  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
>Red Hawk
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:09:22 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pan Chargers

john
i have a double horn which holds two different types of powder one on
either end- that dates back into the 1830's  also check out the cased
guns--- there were powder primers in the cases---several examples of this
exist--- i also have several small horns that was used for priming late
1700 and early 1800--tresco copied a example of the early priming head
and has it on the market --- saw the same head on a early flint dueler
case set several years ago--- i have made several of them and might have
one laying around the shop if you are interested---contact me off line or
give me a call---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]
e-mail [e-mail]


On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:09:04 -0500 John Kramer <[e-mail]>
writes:
>We seem to have some folks around here who have really studied up on
>guns.
>I've got a question.
>
>Are pan chargers really old?  Did most folks carry around a second
>horn with a
>fine powder specifically to charge the pan?  If so what was the most
>common
>form?  Does anyone really own any pre-1840 pan chargers?  How many old
>priming
>horns are there?
>
>John...
>
>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>john [e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:50:03 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Revolver lube(chainfire myths)

good response and very true--still like my cornmeal or gritts over the
powder to get the same consistancy with my ball location in the chamber
of the cylinder---and it seems to burn cleaner than the other junk that i
have used.
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:49:15 EDT <[e-mail]> writes:
>HBC writes:
>> > I've had a few chain-firings that way.=A0
>
>and John Kramer answers=20
>>  Chainfires may have been part of the thrill and excitement of
>owning a
>>  revolver.  Though the Colt Paterson was introduced before 1840,
>I've n=
>ot
>had
>>  much to do with BP revolvers.  =20
>>  I have heard that a little corn meal on top of the powder can help
>pre=
>vent
>>  chainfire.=20
>
>Guys,
>Yer barkin' up the wrong tree.  This is a common misconception about
>BP
>revolvers.  Chainfires are not caused by an improper seal at the FRONT
>of=
> a BP
>revolver.  Rather they are caused by using the wrong sized caps, not
>havi=
>ng
>them firmly seated, or having worn nipples.  When you fire a chamber,
>the=
> ball
>is propelled forward and some of the explosion exits backwards through
>th=
>e
>nipple.  This flame will ignite the adjacent cylinders if any of the
>abov=
>e
>conditions exist, and they can jump from cylinder to cylinder igniting
>th=
>em
>all.  Generally, any chainfired balls will exit harmlessly if the gun
>is
>pointed safely.  The exception is the cylinder in the 6 o'clock
>position =
>as it
>has no place to exit.
>
>The lube you put in the front of each cylinder is only that.  It goes
>int=
>o the
>barrel and lubricates the ball.
>
>Dave Kanger
>New Listowner
>Muzzleloader Mailing list
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:25:52 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teepee Poles

Try giving Tony Zucca a call. Number is in the book, lives in the Granite
area.

Todd Glover

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:38:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teepee Poles

Dick Bennett; Rembrandt, Idaho.  He was at Friendship, In. at NMLRA shoot last
week.  I don't know where he was headed.  He is a fairly big dealer.

Red Hawk

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:24:13 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Guns & Getting Kids Started in Buckskinning (not re: NMLRA)

In a message dated 98-06-11 18:48:22 EDT, you write:

<< [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred) >>
iron tounge hear do you know the name of the beutiful tune i heard the other
day played on a fiddle the man told me butt i forgot. it was used on pbc
special about the civil war. it was so pritty. its going to bug me tell i can
find the name. im a new blue grass nut and dont know my way around the groups.
ive started colecting tunes. also the one that custer played the day my
ansesters rubed him out.

                                                   iron tounge

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:25:24 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Guns & Getting Kids Started in Buckskinning (not re: NMLRA)

Iron Tongue
The civil war tune you are probably refering to is "Ashokan Farewell" from
Waltz of the Wind by Fiddle Fever, produced by Jay Ungar and Fiddle Fever,
1984 Flying Fish Records, Inc.  It is on the original soundrack recording of
the PBS program, The Civil War by Ken Burns.  Custer's men marched to "Garry
Owen", an Irish tune, I think.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Guns & Getting Kids Started in Buckskinning (not
re: NMLRA)


>In a message dated 98-06-11 18:48:22 EDT, you write:
>
><< [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred) >>
>iron tounge hear do you know the name of the beutiful tune i heard the
other
>day played on a fiddle the man told me butt i forgot. it was used on pbc
>special about the civil war. it was so pritty. its going to bug me tell i
can
>find the name. im a new blue grass nut and dont know my way around the
groups.
>ive started colecting tunes. also the one that custer played the day my
>ansesters rubed him out.
>
>                                                   iron tounge
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:24:36 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patch Lube / BP Cleaner

In a message dated 98-06-15 08:07:25 EDT, you write:

<< e-mail [e-mail] >>
did you get my you no mes  ive ben bitten by the blue grass bug. went to a
praty the other day the fiddle player told me the name and as allways i forgot
got a memeory as long as a cat house dream.
                                                         iron tounge

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:51:24 -0400
From: Terry Behm <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: BP revolver chainfires

Excellent post Longwalker!    I've been watching the fight from afar and
guess I'd better jump in (even though it'sa bit off subject).

I've been shooting bp revolvers for over 30 yrs also, many of them. I agr=
ee
that the chainfire problem comes from the nipple end.  Most repro bp
revolvers are junk in IMHO, tolerances are lousy.  As for Navy caliber,
=2E375 is usually too small, I use .380 and original Colt moulds go as hi=
gh
as .390.  I have occasionally not used lube over loose powder and ball bu=
t
you need the lube after about two full cylinders.  I have solved the lube=

problem, have used conical combustible cartridges for the last few yrs,
don't miss loose powder and round ball at all.  MUCH less hassle.  =


AND, in an upcoming post, a period quote about greasing the front of a Na=
vy
six-shooter!!!

Terry  "Padre Rolf"  Behm

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:27 -0400
From: Terry Behm <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: BP Revolvers,  a period quote

This quote takes place at Georgia Gulch in the Colorado gold fields in
circa 1861, it involves miners argueing over North/South feelings at the
beginning of the Civil War.
        (well, it involves mountains and men anyway ;^)

"This quarrel was taken up and renewed by two other patriots who
represented each side of the great rebellion.  They agreed to settle it b=
y
a duel ... Their friends ... agreed for them to fight a duel provided tha=
t
they would shoot each other across a table in a miner's cabin and each ho=
ld
at the same time, with his left hand, a corner of the same handkerchief. =

Each second loaded carefully his principal's navy six and prepared the
table and handkerchief, and even entered into the minute detail of coveri=
ng
the charge in the cylinder of the revolver with tallow to make the pistol=

shoot slick and to keep it in order, as is the custom in this section to
keep the weapons always in proper order."

The result of the duel?    The seconds had loaded both revolvers with
powder only, they blazed away, both being felled by the concussion -
leaving big red welts on their chests.  All their friends had a good laug=
h.

from  A Confederate in the Colorado Gold Fields by Daniel Ellis Conner

Terry "Padre Rolf"  Behm

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:38:05 -0700
From: Gary Bell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: BP Guns & Getting Kids Started in Buckskinning (not re: NMLRA)

Iron Tounge,

I think you are talking about Jay Unger's "Ashokan Farewell", used a lot in Ken
Burns' Civil War documentary.  The soundtrack for the series was available, and I
copied my ex's tape.

I don't follow your reference to the Custer music, could you tell more about where
you heard this?

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 98-06-11 18:48:22 EDT, you write:
>
> << [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred) >>
> iron tounge hear do you know the name of the beutiful tune i heard the other
> day played on a fiddle the man told me butt i forgot. it was used on pbc
> special about the civil war. it was so pritty. its going to bug me tell i can
> find the name. im a new blue grass nut and dont know my way around the groups.
> ive started colecting tunes. also the one that custer played the day my
> ansesters rubed him out.
>
>                                                    iron tounge

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:13 -0700
From: "Dennis Mountjoy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooter bags

Red Hawk writes:

>I am looking for pictures of authentic shooters bags so that I can
reproduce
>them.  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
There are several options, depending on what you mean by "reproduce".  If
you mean "publish", then all sorts of copyright considerations arrise, and
you might be better off taking your own photos and getting them scanned.  If
your "reproduction is very local, and not for profit, consider some of the
following:
     *  A number of museums have on-line collections which contain shooter's
bags.  The provenance there is great.
     *  Try the AMM homepage museum with its hyperlinks to the bigger
collections.   (www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/museum.html ).
     *  On-line auctions such as E-Bay
(www.cayman.ebay.com/aw/listings/list/category353/index.html) , which lists
pre-1900 antiques for sale.  Shooter's bags come up not infrequently if you
scan the  lists.  Fortunately, there is an integrated search engine.
     *  If you have the ability to scan photographs, I really recommend
Madison Grant,  _The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch_,  published by himself in
1977.   It contains 134 plates, most of very good quality.  I believe it is
out of print, but is findable in old book stores (I found mine at Guidon
Books in Scottsdale, AZ).  I didn't find it in Amazon.com.

Good hunting.

Bloody Hand

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