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hist_text-digest        Wednesday, June 3 1998        Volume 01 : Number 078




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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:18:05 -0700
From: "Gail Carbiener" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...

Louis:
    Do you crush the mixture to a fine small parts.. You probably dry the
berries in the sun. Sounds like the mixture might smoke pretty hot. Can you
describe the taste. I will need to look up the other two items, angelica
root and mullein. Thanks for the info.
Gail
Living History MtMan
=================

>I smoke kinnikinnick somewhat regularly and really enjoy it. But I do not
>mix it with tobacco, which is one substance my body has never learned to
>tolerate. I like to gather my own here in the Shining Mtns in the spring
>when they start to come out of plant hibernation. I use the dried, crumbled
>leaves in a somewhat sparse proportion with other herbs. The red berries
are
>nice also. I dry them and remove the seeds, as they are large compared to
>the berry part and can be a bit harsh. One of my favorite mixtures is with
>red willow bark, angelica root and mullein leaves in about equal
proprotions
>with a smaller amount of kinnikinnick.
>
>
>Red Coyote
>
>

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:45 -0700
From: "Gail Carbiener" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Plant Lore Class in N. Idaho

Lee:
    This sounds great, do you suppose they might touch on the manazinta
tobacco plant? Although I am not a smoker, it is peaked my curiosity on what
it would taste like. (I used to be a smoker, didn't everyone)
    I will be walking the Oregon Trail on the Boardman Bombing Range outside
of Hermiston. Also will be walking out of the Blue Mountains down the way
Marcus Whitman traveled. A group of us are preparing for the
Oregon/California Trails Association convention to be held in Pendleton, OR
the second week of August.
    Appreciate the information, and hope if other classes such as this come
to your attention you will post.
Gail
Living History MtMan


- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
To: Muzzleloading Mailing List <[e-mail]>; American Mountain Man List
<[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:12 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Plant Lore Class in N. Idaho


>The Univ. of Idaho presents a field course in ethnobotany, the study of
>plant lore, on June 7 at the Clark Fork Field Campus.
>
>The course offers a hands-on exploration of the folklore of native plants
>and their traditional uses as medicine, food and fiber.  The course will
>be taught by Steve Brunsfeld, associate professor in the Dept of Forest
>Resources, and by independent consultant Richard Old.
>
>Check in is from 8:30 to 9 a.m., followed immediately by an hour-long
>introduction.  The field excursion by car caravan begins at 10 a.m. and
>includes identification of plants in a variety of habitats and discussion
>of their uses.
>
>Registration is $19.  Overnight lodgin at the field campus is $10.70 per
>night, per person (there is also a very nice Natl Forest campground just
>down the road, at the site of the Northwest Company's Kullyspell House for
>about $5 a campsite/night).  Participants are asked to bring sturdy
>walking shoes, a sack lunch, beverages and a hand lens.  No Pets.
>
>For Registration and reservations, write to Edie Kinucan, Clark Fork Field

>Campus, Box 87, Clark Fork, Idaho, 83811, or call 'em at 208-266-1452.
>
>Newbill's note... these are super classes for the serious buckskinner if
>you're in the area. I'll be missing this one cause I'm working on a
>Rendezvous preparation.
>
>Regards
>
>Lee Newbill
>Viola, Idaho
>email at [e-mail]
>Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
>http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:19:05 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: alum

Okay, here's another question. Does anybody know a good source for =
Alum?
I used to be able to get it in 1 pound containers at the drug store, =
but
now they only sell it in 4 ounce size ( at 2.00 per 4 oz.). For the
batch of hides that I've got going now, I've had to go to 4 different
stores just to buy 1 =BD pounds. Any ideas?=20

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:32:45 -0500
From: "Ken " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Men of the Cloth

I found this rather interesting, as the tradition of ignorance continues
today. The state and the church still do not recognize traditional Indian
marriage. At least this has been my wife's and my experience. My Pam and I
were married by a Cherokee medicine woman in 1972 if my memory is correct.
No license, no nothing except for a mutual love and attraction. The
ceremony was quite beautiful and we both remember it in detail all these
years since. Had I the misfortune to meet Rev. Herbert Beaver and he were
to call my Pam a concubine, I would in all probability have shot him
between the lights! We had a church ceremony 10 years later so that "uncle"
would have his piece of paper and the US Army would "accept" our marriage.
Now, 26 years later, I understand even more how the fur traders and
mountain men must have felt. Any society that has to depend on paper
instead of a mans word is worth getting away from!
YMOS,
Ken YellowFeather
and his devoted wife Pamela "Calamity" Jane Wheeler
- ----------
> From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Men of the Cloth
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:40 PM
>
> I mentioned that Protestant and Catholic missionaries were strikingly
> different in their attitudes. Here is what Sylvia Van Kirk has to say
about
> another man of the cloth, whom I missed in my original message:
>
> "[Fort Vancouver's] first clergyman, the Reverend Herbert Beaver, was
> totally unsympathetic to the fur-trade custom [of marriage according to
> Native tradition], in spite of his appropriate name. Arriving in the fall
of
> 1836 with his English wife, Jane, he denounced Fort Vancouver as a
> 'deplorable scene of vice and ignorance'. He refused to give any credence
to
> 'the custom of the country', styling the traders' wives as concubines and

> chastising the men for indulging in fornication. This...understandably
> outraged fiery tempered Chief Factor John McLoughlin... To Beaver, good
Mrs.
> McLoughlin was only a 'kept Mistress' who could not be allowed to
associate
> with properly married females such as his own wife." (p154-155)
>
> In 1838, after Beaver left Ft. Vancouver, two Catholic priests, Francois
N.
> Banchet and Modeste Demers arrived, via Fort Edmonton. Their attitude
toward
> 'country marriages' was markedly different; their marriage ceremonies
were
> intended to 'renew & ratify' these existing marriages, and for the couple
to
> formally recognize the legitimacy of their children.
>
> For more information on the early Canadian men of the cloth, and the fur
> trade, I strongly recommend :
> Van Kirk, Sylvia. _Many Tender Ties : Women in Fur-Trade Society,
> 1670-1870_. Watson & Dwyer : Winnipeg, 1980. ISBN 0-920486-06-1
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
> [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:39:59 -0500
From: "Ken " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: alum

Ask the pharmacist to order you a larger quantity or you might check in t=
he
canning section of your local grocery store. You might also check with yo=
ur
local farm store. ( Southern States Co-op ) Check to see if you have an
American Scientific store nearby or a similar store, as they sell chemica=
ls
in bulk. Hope this helps.
YellowFeather

- ----------
From: Mill, Kirk <[e-mail]>
To: ML MAILING LIST <[e-mail]>
Cc: history mailing list <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: alum
Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 3:19 PM

Okay, here's another question. Does anybody know a good source for Alum?
I used to be able to get it in 1 pound containers at the drug store, but
now they only sell it in 4 ounce size ( at 2.00 per 4 oz.). For the
batch of hides that I've got going now, I've had to go to 4 different
stores just to buy 1 =BD pounds. Any ideas?=20
- ----------

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:03:45 -0500
From: "Ken " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...

Mullen leaves are fantastic! Not only do they make great toilet paper
substitute but when properly dried they smoke as smooth as silk. At one
time they were used for people with TB to smoke. The smoke coats the
bronchial passages and deaden the sensitivity of the lungs. It helped to
reduce the coughing spasms. I have added it to my pipe tobacco for years.
YMOS,
YellowFeather
- ----------
> From: Gail Carbiener <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 3:18 PM
>
> Louis:
>     Do you crush the mixture to a fine small parts.. You probably dry the
> berries in the sun. Sounds like the mixture might smoke pretty hot. Can
you
> describe the taste. I will need to look up the other two items, angelica
> root and mullein. Thanks for the info.
> Gail
> Living History MtMan
> =================
>
> >I smoke kinnikinnick somewhat regularly and really enjoy it. But I do
not
> >mix it with tobacco, which is one substance my body has never learned to
> >tolerate. I like to gather my own here in the Shining Mtns in the spring
> >when they start to come out of plant hibernation. I use the dried,
crumbled
> >leaves in a somewhat sparse proportion with other herbs. The red berries
> are
> >nice also. I dry them and remove the seeds, as they are large compared
to
> >the berry part and can be a bit harsh. One of my favorite mixtures is
with
> >red willow bark, angelica root and mullein leaves in about equal
> proprotions
> >with a smaller amount of kinnikinnick.
> >
> >
> >Red Coyote
> >
> >

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:32:19 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: alum

Kirk Mill asked: "Okay, here's another question. Does anybody know a good
source for Alum?...."

I have bought it at Tandy. They sell it for tanning. I've also seen it in
taxidermy supply catalogs.

Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:34:11 -0600
From: "Ron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tanning

In Laubins Tipi book, they state that a modern substitute for brains, used
in tanning hides, is Lard mixed with flour, the flour is used to float the
lard.

Has anyone tried this?
Does the finished hide resemble brain tanned hides?
While I know it wouldn't be authentic, I was wondering if it was a good
enough substitute, without the mess.

Thanks in advance!
Ron


Ron's Idaho Pages
<http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/>
Email <[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:59:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (PHIL PETERSEN)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: alum

You may be sorry.  That alum tan is prett rough.  Contact Longtrail for the
"easy" way to do your tanning.

Phil>Okay, here's another question. Does anybody know a good source for=
 Alum?
>I used to be able to get it in 1 pound containers at the drug store, but
>now they only sell it in 4 ounce size ( at 2.00 per 4 oz.). For the
>batch of hides that I've got going now, I've had to go to 4 different
>stores just to buy 1 =BD pounds. Any ideas?=20
>
>

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Date: 02 Jun 98 15:11:10 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Fwd: MtMan-List: lodges..

I agree about going and see one first, but don't worry too much about
partying drunks.  There are always some there and I have been one once in a
while.  Usually they don't bother anyone and, there aren't as many as there
used to be and they don't last as  long.  Old age?  Look at all kinds of
setups, trader's wares and go ahead and ask questions.  99.9% of the
people there are friendly and love to answer questions.  Do some checking and
questions first and you will save a lot of money and frustrations.  Get
Muzzloader Magazine and maybe some books like the Bokks of Buxkskinning 1
thru 7 for lots of ideas.  Probably a good guess you will make some friends
the first do you go to, so you can get some help from them.  Go look but be
forewarned: you will probably get hooked.


DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS

Traphand wrote:
>canvas that  is  white would fit the era better. i do not think a  green
one
>would go over to good . a small wedge tent would be better.
>                                             traphand
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>From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
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>I have a question for you folks. I am trying to get started in
>buckskinning and am assembling my outfit. My question is in regard to
>appropriate lodges. I have an old canvas wall tent that I believe would
>be period correct except that it is green. Every rendezvous picture that
>I have seen shows white lodges only. What do you think?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wild Medicinal Plants Class (N. Idaho)

On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Gail Carbiener wrote:
>     This sounds great, do you suppose they might touch on the manazinta
> tobacco plant? Although I am not a smoker, it is peaked my curiosity on what
> it would taste like. (I used to be a smoker, didn't everyone)

Wow, what a great lead in for the second class in June.  I don't know
precisely if the instructors will cover manazinta, but you can bet they
will if it's brought up by interested students :)

Anyway, on June 27-28, a class on the "Wild Medicinal Plants of North
Idaho" will be hosted by the Univ of Idaho's Clark Fork Field Campus.  The
class is a one day affair, with a class on Sat, and one on Sun.  Class
will Instruct participants on identification and use of medicinal plants
in the region.

The workshop will be presented by Barbara St. Dennis, a practicing
medicanl herbalist who emphasizes safe herbalism.

Registration is $19.  Overnight lodging at the field campus is $10.70 per
night, per person (nearby Natl Forest campground costs just $5.00/night).
Participants are asked to bring sturdy walking shoes, a sack lunch,
beverages and a hand lens.  No Pets.

For Registration and reservations, write to Edie Kinucan, Clark Fork Field
Campus, Box 87, Clark Fork, Idaho, 83811, or call 'em at 208-266-1452.

Again, these are super classes for the serious skinner, and agian, I'll
miss it cause I'll be gone ta Rendezvous.

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:04:30 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  Lewis & Clark Canoes?

Hello the Camp,

While perusing my latest =93Maine Antique Digest=94 I came across the fol=
lowing
request for help.  I thought it might make an interesting topic for the
list, and we might be able to help.

Begin article transcription:_________________

=93LEWIS & CLARK CANOES
In the journals of September 27 to October 7, 1805, five canoes were hewn
from pine trees.  Do any drawings or other details exist for these crafts=
?
The Gorge Discovery Center & Wasco County Historical Museum is looking fo=
r
details in the hopes that we might replicate one or more of the vessels.
Any help would be appreciated.  Also anyone wishing knowledge of the trai=
l
in this area (The Dalles, Oregon), especially Rock Fort, please ask.
<[e-mail]>.=94

End article transcription:_______________________

I don=92t have any direct information; but, I=92m betting if anyone does
someone on this list can probably help them out.  Or perhaps know of
another list that can.

Best I can figure it would be pretty much a standard dugout canoe like ma=
ny
existing examples in museums.  Off hand I remember one good old one in
Indianapolis at the State Museum downtown, at least it was there in=9279.

I am Cc:ing them  a copy of this posting and would suggest those with inp=
ut
do the same so they can follow the discussion.  (Just hit the =93Reply to
All=94 button on this original message when you reply, and it should happ=
en
automatically).

So who knows?

John
=20




Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.=20
john [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:28:47 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: alum

At 04:19 PM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, here's another question. Does anybody know a good source for Alum?
>I used to be able to get it in 1 pound containers at the drug store, but
>now they only sell it in 4 ounce size ( at 2.00 per 4 oz.). For the
>batch of hides that I've got going now, I've had to go to 4 different
>stores just to buy 1 =BD pounds. Any ideas?=20
>=20

Try calling the commercial chemical and industrial supply houses in any=
 major
city yellow pages.  Most will have a minimum purchase requirement.  Many=
 will
be as low as 5lbs cash & carry.

John...

John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<=A0 -=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
http://www.kramerize.com/
mail to: john<[e-mail]>=20

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:33:52 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lodges

At 08:31 AM 6/2/98 -0700, Capt. Lahti wrote:
>Kirk;
>
>I went to Eagle Hardware and bought one of their 9' by 12' painters drop
>cloths for $20 and ran it through the wash to shrink and tighten it up. I
>then water proofed it with a comercial waterproofing agent and installed
>gromets in the corners and along the edge.

I would suggest just tying small marble size stones in the corners where you
need ties.  Metal grommets are a little late for the period.  Unless brass or
iron rings are sewn in with a button hole stitch.  Sewing on lengths of cotton
webbing is another good alternative.  I've found the stones work well, are
cheap, fast and easy to re-rig.

See the list archive for extensive discussions on waterproofing cloth.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:37:43 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lodges

In a message dated 98-06-03 00:10:33 EDT, you write:

<< I would suggest just tying small marble size stones in the corners where
you
 need ties.  Metal grommets are a little late for the period.  Unless brass or
 iron rings are sewn in with a button hole stitch.  Sewing on lengths of
cotton
 webbing is another good alternative.  I've found the stones work well, are
 cheap, fast and easy to re-rig.

 See the list archive for extensive discussions on waterproofing cloth.

 John...  >>

   .62 or better round balls worked fine for me....also picked up some large
glass marbles.

                                                          Longshot

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:22:31 -0500
From: "Scott Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tornados and other bad weather

Hello the list,

Just putting out a note to make sure that everyone on the list from
western Maryland and northeast, West Virginia and Pennsylvania made
it thru the tornados and bad storms of the past couple of days. Speak
up so we know you are still out there.


Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:34:41 -0700
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tanning

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Ron:  I have used a method called soap tan use Phelps papha soap Spelling
is wrong.  It is easy to do and you are not rushed to finish the deer hide.
 The process calls for rubbing in lard it never said anything about flour
but it smoked up good and came out real soft and white.  I done this on a
mountain with out any electric or anything.  Later Jon T

- ----------
: From: Ron <[e-mail]>
: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: MtMan-List: Tanning
: Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 3:34 PM
:
: In Laubins Tipi book, they state that a modern substitute for brains,
used
: in tanning hides, is Lard mixed with flour, the flour is used to float
the
: lard.
:
: Has anyone tried this?
: Does the finished hide resemble brain tanned hides?
: While I know it wouldn't be authentic, I was wondering if it was a good
: enough substitute, without the mess.
:
: Thanks in advance!
: Ron
:
:
: Ron's Idaho Pages
: <http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/>
: Email <[e-mail]>
:
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:25:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: alum

For anyone interested in Alum Tanning, I would suggest contacting Kent Klein
who wrote a booklet entitled "Tan Your Hide the Alum Way." I have seen many of
Kents hides and they are superb and almost indistigushable from brain tanned.
My friend purchsed a 50 lb bag of alum at a chemical supply store.

Kent can be contacted at  [e-mail]

Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:30:01 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...

Gail,

    Here in Denver, CO we have a store called Alfalfa's that carries a
LOT of natural herbs. Most of what I use comes from there and is already
fairly finely ground/crushed.
This especially applies to the angelica, mullein and sumac berries (which I
didn't mention before, sorry). I couldn't tell angelica in the forest from
hemlock - a real BAD thing (not that they are similar, but you get my
drift). It is just SAFER that way. I do gather my own red willow bark from
my favorite elk hunting beaver pond area and kinnickinnick from anywhere
west of here that I happen to be hiking. These are EASY to identify and I
feel OK using them.

But, yes, all the ingredients are fine, small parts. The kinnickinnick
berries are already pretty dry naturally, they're not like cherries or
anything. I usually just hang a whole bunch of leaves and berries as they
were gathered in my basement room for a while until all are dry.  Then break
up the leaves with my fingers while separating the berries. Like I said
before, I try to remove the seeds from the berries as much as possible, they
are large compared with the berry material and don't taste especially good.

I guess you could say it smokes rather hot, but in a clay pipe tobacco gets
pretty warm too. I use a clay pipe that was excavated from a pipe
manufacturing business in central Ohio. The pipe was from a trash area that
was dated to be in use before 1840, how lucky! I do not recall any
references to mountain men rolling their own cigarettes out of
kinnickinnick, etc. , but the references to clay pipes (and even white men
owning and using pipestone pipes) are numerous.

As for the taste, it's hard to describe, but is very nice. Once you smell
the odor of red willow bark wafting through the camp, you'll never forget
it. It's sort of like the stuff left over from the manufacture of ropes,
that we're not supposed to smoke - very distinctive. It is not harsh at all
and can be inhaled without irritation. I do not consider myself a smoker &
do not smoke this stuff a lot, but when I want the taste & odor of my last
camp out, I break out the old pipe.

Hope this helps some.

YMHOS,
Red Coyote

> ----------
> From:     Gail Carbiener
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Tuesday, June 2, 1998 14:18
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...
>
> Louis:
>     Do you crush the mixture to a fine small parts.. You probably dry the
> berries in the sun. Sounds like the mixture might smoke pretty hot. Can
> you
> describe the taste. I will need to look up the other two items, angelica
> root and mullein. Thanks for the info.
> Gail
> Living History MtMan
> =================
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:19:29 -0500
From: Monte Holder <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...

Sickler, Louis L wrote:

>  I do gather my own red willow bark from
> my favorite elk hunting beaver pond area and kinnickinnick from anywhere
> west of here that I happen to be hiking. These are EASY to identify and I
> feel OK using them.
>

Is there another name for kinnickinnick that I missed somewhere along the way?
And what is its growing range?  I would assume if there are berries, there would
be seeds.  Wonder if a guy could grow some here in Missouri?
Monte Holder
Saline CO MO

BTW, I grow some tobacco here in central Missouri from time to time and smoke it
occasionally in a pipe, but it really works great for keeping hornworms off my
tomatos and they are easier to see on those great big leaves.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:10:59 -0700
From: [e-mail] (john c funk,jr)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: tobacco...

Ken,

You mentioned in your "tobacco" note that "when dried
properly".......mullen smokes "smooth as silk".  What constitutes "dried
properly"?  I have tried dried mullen and found it quite harsh!!!!!

John Funk

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:16:18 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  Lewis & Clark Canoes?

John;
I passed this on to a friend of mine in Western Idaho, Vern Illi. He and =
his
group made several dug-out canoes from yellow pine last summer to float d=
own
the Clearwater R. on the first few water miles of the L and C trip to the
Pacific. They stopped at Lewiston ID. Vern may be able to give you some i=
nfo on
design and material. Vern is at ' [e-mail]'.

Your comments on tarps and grommets is well taken. I was in a bigger hurr=
y than
good sense should allow. Alas, it's like so many things we see on this li=
st
that are expedients verses doing it right. We cut corners all too often.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

John Kramer wrote:

> Hello the Camp,
>
> While perusing my latest =93Maine Antique Digest=94 I came across the f=
ollowing
> request for help.  I thought it might make an interesting topic for the
> list, and we might be able to help.
>
> Begin article transcription:_________________
>
> =93LEWIS & CLARK CANOES
> In the journals of September 27 to October 7, 1805, five canoes were he=
wn
> from pine trees.  Do any drawings or other details exist for these craf=
ts?
> The Gorge Discovery Center & Wasco County Historical Museum is looking =
for
> details in the hopes that we might replicate one or more of the vessels.
> Any help would be appreciated.  Also anyone wishing knowledge of the tr=
ail
> in this area (The Dalles, Oregon), especially Rock Fort, please ask.
> <[e-mail]>.=94
>
> End article transcription:_______________________
>
> I don=92t have any direct information; but, I=92m betting if anyone doe=
s
> someone on this list can probably help them out.  Or perhaps know of
> another list that can.
>
> Best I can figure it would be pretty much a standard dugout canoe like =
many
> existing examples in museums.  Off hand I remember one good old one in
> Indianapolis at the State Museum downtown, at least it was there in=927=
9.
>
> I am Cc:ing them  a copy of this posting and would suggest those with i=
nput
> do the same so they can follow the discussion.  (Just hit the =93Reply =
to
> All=94 button on this original message when you reply, and it should ha=
ppen
> automatically).
>
> So who knows?
>
> John
>
>
> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
> john [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:58:20 -0700
From: Kevin Kierst <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Help! My kid wants to be a buckskinner!

Anybody,
My almost 12-yr old has been bitten bad: reads nothing but fur trade
books, built himself a MM rig, plans to move to canada in a few yrs and
live the life.  He's getting a .40 caliber muzzleloader for his
birhtday, but neither of us know anything about shooting.  I'm looking
for books/videos that could help a couple of novices. Thanks.
                            K.Kierst

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