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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #71 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, May 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 071 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:21:39 -0700 From: dammiller@juno.com (David A. Miller) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cache Valley The Cache Rendezvous is this weekend, from Friday until Monday (22-25 May 98) Have fun! Dave Miller _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:52:31 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies....Frostbite Since Canadian fur traders were exposed to much colder conditions than the American mountain men, you would expect them to be frostbitten fairly frequently. Voyageurs, however, seems to have regarded frostbite as being easily preventable. When George Back's servant, Beauparlant (who "had been a long time in the country") got frostbite on his face, the voyageur felt badly, "for there is a pride amongst old 'voyageurs' which considers freezing oneself as clownish--and only excusable in a 'Pork-Eater' or a peasant just come from Canada." (Dec. 29, 1820; Back, p. 107, _Arctic Artist_, C.S. Houston, ed.) Beauparlant got frostbite when he was north of Fort Chipewyan on Lake Athabasca. Despite this, I have found some cases of frostbite in Canadian fur trade journals of my 1774-1821 period. In only two cases, however is a treatment recorded. George Back wrote, on May 25, 1820, that "Those who are frozen feel it on approaching to the fire and immediately rub the place with Snow, but the skin is certain of being penetrated and much pain endured--" (Back, 314). This practice is, of course, NOT recommended today. In 1775, Robert Longmoor's big toes got frostbitten when he was at Cumberland House (on the Saskatchewan/Alberta border). "This Morning I lay'd Rob't Longmoor's Toes open which are froze to the Bone, and as the Medican box which ware fitted up at the Fort for this Place is with Mr. Cocking we have not the least thing to apply to it, except the inner Rind of the Larch Tree Root which is generally us'd among the Natives to Stop or Prevent a Mortification" (i.e., gangrene) (p. 139, Samuel Hearne, _Journals of Hearne & Turnor_, J. B. Tyrrell, ed.) In Hearne's description, you can see the usual pattern of Canadian fur trade medicine. First, they'd check the Fort's medicine box for something to treat the problem (bleeding was also a popular option). The historic equivalent of Aspirin for Canadian fur traders was the patent medicine "Turlington's Balsam of Life". Unlike most other medical treatments that were used, it does not seem to have been an emetic, a purgative, or have similar nasty effects, which perhaps explains its popularity in less serious cases. (Turlington's was also popular with Natives, and formed an article of trade; broken Turlington's bottles often turn up when fur posts are excavated.) If the medicine box wasn't available, or let them down, then they might turn to Native remedies, usually in the form of herbal teas (which could be powerful purges or emetics) or poultices. If one treatment failed, then another might be tried, and then another, and so on, until a) the case was regarded as untreatable; b) the patient recovered; or c) the patient died. For more on medicine in the Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821, check out the article "Medicine in the Northwest" in Northwest Journal, vol. 7. See www.telusplanet.net/public/gottfred/nwj.html for information on how to order. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred Editor, Northwest Journal agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:07:17 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stuck touch hole liner getting the liner out i feel is not his total problem ---he has probably cross threaded the threads and will probably have to retap as i stated in my previous posting. if he replaces the liner without cleaning out the threads he hasn't solved his problem only given it a extension in time wherby gasses from the gun fireing will burn out the threads and cause him to blowout the tutchhole liner---THIS IS DANGEROUS> You should fix the total problem and not just solve a superficial one-----I have been down this monkeys back before and make sure thet the liner is put in right.. I never recomend taking out the liner to clean the gun, because of the cross threading and the posibility of blowby ruining the threads if not installed back properly. a teflon thread lubricant and sealer will help to stop blowby. Normally I use a thread locking compound on the liner to help seal and lock the liner in place. The liner secondary purpose is to reduce the distance the spark has to travel to get to the main powder charge and give faster ignition. most are champhered on the inside to accomplish this. THE LINER SHOULD ALWAYS BE PUT IN SNUG WITHOUT GAULING OR DAMAGEING THE THREADS. OVER TORKING WILL STREACH THE THREADS AND COULD BE ALSO DANGEROUS--CREATES A POSIBILITY OF BLOWOUT OF THE LINER. Just because it has a screwdriver slot doesnt mean that it is normaly removed for cleaning. place the barrel in a bucket of sopy water and use your cleaning rod with a patch. dry the barrel and oil lightly with wd-40 or equiv to displace the moisture is all you need. use rigg or equivelant to keep the barrel from rusting if not used for extended periods. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Wed, 20 May 1998 11:05:39 EDT CT OAKES <CTOAKES@aol.com> writes: >At your local hardware store you can buy a set of screw extractors. >They are >not expensive and come in handy. To use them you drill out the touch >hole a >little and insert the right size extractor and turn left/counter >clockwise. >The extractor has a really exaggerated tread that will grab the hole >and make >it turn. Then go buy a new liner and you are back in business. > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:35:34 -0700 From: "Gail Carbiener" <carbg@cmc.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Lee/Jim/Gary....others I have ordered the book by Ambrose about Lewis and Clark! This is a bit before the Mountain Man era that I am looking at however. The period 1820 to 1840 - both the Americans and Hudson's Bay Company guys. I've got most of the usual books - Bridger, Odgen, Glass, Meek, Ruxton's, Russell's, etc. but still not much on frostbite or other illnesses and solutions. You would think they would put some of this in their journals. Maybe not! Gail - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Bell <micropt@gte.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 7:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... >Lee: > >Laudinum is a tincture or extract of opium in alcohol. The stuff makes Darvon >look like candy, and very adictive if given in any quantity or for any significant >period of time. > >Gary Bell > >Lee Newbill wrote: > >> Hallo Gail >> >> On Mon, 18 May 1998, Gail Carbiener wrote: >> > Anybody got other references of such problems and how they were treated? >> >> A good read is the current Lewis biography called "Undaunted Courage" by >> Ambrose. Merriweather Lewis was pretty up to date on medicine of the >> day... as much as any doctor I begin to think.... anyway, the book covers >> with some detail the day to day care of medical problems, however, having >> said that.... Capt Lewis treated just about every ill with a super >> purgative "Dr Rush's Lightning Pills". For VD (syphilis) mecury was the >> treatment of choice. >> >> Dr Rush stated...."When you feel the least indisposition, do not attempt >> to overcome it by labour or marching. Rest in a horizontal posture. >> Also fasting and diluting drinks for a day or two will genrally prevent >> an attack of fever. To these preventatives of disease may be added a >> gentle sweat obtained by warm drinks, or gently opening the bowels by >> means of one, two, or more of the purging pills." Dr Rush's pills were >> composed of calomel, a misture of six parts mercury to one part cholorine, >> and jalap, apparently all of these drugs were good laxitives, and when >> combined... well, the results were "explosive" (pg 89) >> >> The only frostbite they discuss was Clark's slave (York)... and he got >> frostbitten on the penis (of all places). Later, while in winter camp on >> the Columbia (Oregon), the book discusses the amputation of frostbitten >> toes (local Indians). >> >> The Fort Clatsop period is the most intensive in medical discussion as >> there was always someone suffering from colds, muscle strains, syphilis, >> etc.) >> >> My readings haven't really come up with anything other than bleeding the >> poor SOB, administering purgatives (Dr Rush's were laced with Mercury by >> the way), or cutting off the affected body parts. There was also of course >> Laudinum (sp), apparently a powerful narcotic to dull pain. Seems to me >> that surviving the injury/illness was the first part of being sick, >> surviving the doctor's treatment was the second :) >> >> Regards >> >> Lee Newbill >> Viola, Idaho >> email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu >> Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage >> http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:06:34 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cache Valley >The Cache Rendezvous is this weekend, from Friday until Monday (22-25 May >98) > >Have fun! > Where's this Cache Valley. Just about every state in the west has one. :-) HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:57:30 -0500 From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net> Subject: MtMan-List: War Paint Washtahay- gosh, 30 years hanging out with members of various tribes, being adopted into several families, being a member of 2 warrior societies, and no one bothered to tell me that it was impolite to talk about war paint, or that colors and patterns were passed by family, or the use of certain colors by certain tribes. I have never heard that each tribe or family had specific colors or patterns. Shucks, what will they think of next? So, you folks are basically saying that the tribes were prototypical LA gangs? Gotta be careful about wearing the other guys' colors? Straight up, I have drawings of over 100 individuals' war paints. Not the stuff they might wear at a powwow, but war patterns. I have the meanings/symbolisms for about 75-85 of these-everyone I have been able to interview. No one has ever declined to discuss patterns, when approached in a appropriate manner (tho an awful lot of people have requested their info not be published). Yeah, some of the patterns are copies of early family members-hey, if Catlin painted a pic of my g-g-grampa I might do the same. Most of the patterns are religion related. A few are relics of past military service, or tributes to fallen comrades or family members. Please don't fall into the pattern of thinking that war paint, or robe painting, or petroglyphs, or whatever are just Amerind versions of European heraldry. THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS MENTION THAT PATTERNS WERE TRIBAL OR FAMILY. I would really love to hear the references on this. LongWalker c du B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:37:55 -0700 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Convert or not This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD84EF.F3DF74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Years ago I did it with a CVA Mt pistol worked real well Later Jon T - ---------- : From: Darrel Grubbs <grubbsd@hutchcc.edu> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Convert or not : Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 2:20 PM : : : : -- : Darrel Grubbs, MICT, EMT I/C : Adjunct EMS Instructor : HCC Emergency Services Academy : : : : I'm wondering if I should attempt a CVA cap to flint conversion? Is it : hard? Safe? and Cost effective? Where do I find the parts? - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD84EF.F3DF74C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Years ago I did it with a CVA Mt pistol = worked real well Later Jon T ---------- : From: Darrel Grubbs = <grubbsd@hutchcc.edu> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Convert or not : Date: = Wednesday, May 20, 1998 2:20 PM : : : : -- : Darrel = Grubbs, MICT, EMT I/C : Adjunct EMS Instructor : HCC Emergency = Services Academy : : : : I'm wondering if I should = attempt a CVA cap to flint conversion? Is it : hard? Safe? and = Cost effective? Where do I find the parts? </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD84EF.F3DF74C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:15:42 -0600 From: Les Chaffin <chaflesl@isu.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cache Valley This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------027D9CE139EB7E2F59EA1A84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache Valley is in Northern Utah and Southern Idaho. The Rendezvous is near Logan, Utah. Les Henry B. Crawford wrote: > > >The Cache Rendezvous is this weekend, from Friday until Monday (22-25 May > >98) > > > >Have fun! > > > > Where's this Cache Valley. Just about every state in the west has one. :-) > HBC > > ***************************************** > Henry B. Crawford Curator of History > mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University > 806/742-2442 Box 43191 > FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum > ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* - --------------027D9CE139EB7E2F59EA1A84 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Les Chaffin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Les Chaffin n: Chaffin ;Les org: Twin Falls Computer Center Mgr. adr;dom: 34 Barton Lane;;;Twin Falls;Idaho;83301; email;internet: chaflesl@isu.edu title: Idaho State University tel;work: 208-736-2119 tel;fax: 208-236-4836 tel;home: 208-736-6002 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------027D9CE139EB7E2F59EA1A84-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:59:12 -0600 From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cache Valley >Henry B. Crawford wrote: >> >> Where's this Cache Valley. Just about every state in the west has one. :-) and Les replied: >Cache Valley is in Northern Utah and Southern Idaho. The Rendezvous is >near Logan, Utah. > To elaborate on Les's answer: ".... We killed a grizzly bear on the evening of the eighteenth [July, 1830], and emerging from the mountain-pass early on the following day, came to Cache Valley, one of the most extensive and beautiful vales of the Rocky Mountain range. This valley, called also by some, the Willow Valley, is situated about thirty miles due west of the Little Lake [Bear Lake], from which the passage is so nearly impracticable, that it requires two days to perform the distance - at least by the route we came. It lies parallel with the Little Lake, extending nearly north and south; is sixty miles long, and fifteen to twenty broad, and is shut in on every side by lofty mountains. Numerous willow-skirted streams, that intersect and diversify it, unite and flow into Bear River, which crosses the valley, and after cutting its way through a low bald mountain, falls into the Big Lake [Great Salt Lake], distant twenty miles to the west. Cache Valley is abundantly fertile, producing every where most excellent grass, and has ever for that reason, been a favorite resort for both men and animals, especially in the winter. Indeed, many of the best hunters assert that the weather is much milder here than elsewhere, which is an additional inducement for visiting it during that inclement season. It received its name from a melancholy incident that occurred in it a few years ago. The circumstances are briefly these: - A man in the employ of Smith, Sublette and Jackson, was engaged with a detached party, in constructing one of those subterranean vaults for the reception of furs, already described. The cache was nearly completed, when a large quantity of earth fell in upon the poor fellow, and completely buried him alive. His companions believed him to have been instantly killed, knew him to be well buried, and the cache destroyed, and therefore left him "Unknelled, uncoffined, ne'er to rise, Till Gabriel's trumpet shakes the skies," and accomplished their object elsewhere. It was a heartless, cruel procedure, but serves to show how lightly human life is held in these distant wilds. " - -W. A. Ferris, 1830 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Rudy AMM#1530 Email: drudy@xmission.com Park City, Utah WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:12:35 -0400 From: Terry Behm <TBehm@compuserve.com> Subject: MtMan-List: mountain name = >Gary Bell >still working on the mountain name Gary, coming up with a mountain name is no work at all, just follow thes= e instructions: 1. attend any Rendezvous 2. make sure several people are looking at you, the more the better. 3. do something real STUPID!!! Voila! you will instantly have a new name (or maybe several to choose from). Padre Rolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:39:55 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES <MIA3WOLVES@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: War Paint In reference to war paint, I would like to see references on both sides of this argument. Familial,or non. A most interesting discussion. Red Hawk Quillwork Trading ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:53:53 -0700 From: Gary Bell <micropt@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name Terry Behm wrote: > >Gary Bell > >still working on the mountain name > > Gary, coming up with a mountain name is no work at all, just follow these > instructions: > > 1. attend any Rendezvous > > 2. make sure several people are looking at you, the more the better. > > 3. do something real STUPID!!! > > Voila! you will instantly have a new name (or maybe several to choose > from). > > Padre Rolf Thanks Padre! I need to get working on number one; two looks easy, given my greenhorn status and incomplete outfit; and three is a downright cinch. I will easilly provide enough material for number three to be a contest! NoName ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:05:04 -0700 From: dammiller@juno.com (David A. Miller) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cache Valley The "Cache Valley" in this instance is located up Blacksmith's Fork, In Logan Utah. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:34:19 EDT From: Htorr <Htorr@aol.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Indian Face Paint Hi! While not really a "mountain man" myself I enjoy reading all the mail. I work with the Scouts and the Order of the Arrow. They do a lot of Indian Dancing and use costuming during the ceremonies. Apparently they had a discussion on this with people from the American Indian Movement and at a National Order of the Arrow Convention (NOAC) a few years ago this was what was decided: 1. No face paint is permitted. 2. No wigs are permitted. The argument on the face paint is that somebody would look at an old photograph and duplicate the face painting. According to what was discussed the families often had their distinctive face painting and they would consider it disrespectful for someone else to wear their distinctive markings. Similar things have gone on with college and sports teams. The Stanford University sports teams are no longer called the Indians, and there is a lot of discussion about the baseball teams, Braves, Indians, etc. There is even pressure at the High School in Orr, Minnesota to not call themselves the Orr Braves. The irony is about half of the students come from the Nett Lake Indian Reservation. Respectfully, Tom Orr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:10:02 EDT From: LODGEPOLE <LODGEPOLE@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name In a message dated 98-05-22 10:08:53 EDT, you write: << Gary, coming up with a mountain name is no work at all, just follow these instructions: 1. attend any Rendezvous 2. make sure several people are looking at you, the more the better. 3. do something real STUPID!!! Voila! you will instantly have a new name (or maybe several to choose from). >> Case in point, this past weekend a guy I know who has been ronnyvvoin' fer the last 4 years and never got a camp name, got one he don't much like. He got a little too wasted on pie and such and fell on another friends tent 4 times and the last time ripped a loop out of the tent. May be forever know as Rip-A-Tent Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:46:15 +0000 From: David Mullen <dmullen@jemez.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name The only hard part is the justification for having a "mountain name". In my readings I have seen plenty of references to nick-names (ie. Old Gabe, Squire and The Judge), and references to Indian given names (ie. Broken Hand, Blanket Chief). I have yet to find any references to any trapper or trader refering to any other individual as "Ol' Grizz", "Two Dogs Fornicating" or any other "mountain name". I know there are many who are enamoured with the concept of "mountain names" and would love to see the justificatiion for their use. Just something to ponder. Hope Ya'll have a safe Memorial Day Weekend, YMHOS, David Mullen - --------------- David Mullen "Don't need a "mountain man" name, my mother named me David!!"-- 202 Mesa Verde Jemez Springs, NM 87025 505.829.3212 email:dmullen@jemez.com Terry Behm wrote: > > > >Gary Bell > >still working on the mountain name > > Gary, coming up with a mountain name is no work at all, just follow these > instructions: > > 1. attend any Rendezvous > > 2. make sure several people are looking at you, the more the better. > > 3. do something real STUPID!!! > > Voila! you will instantly have a new name (or maybe several to choose > from). > > Padre Rolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:07:25 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Ted, I totally disagree with your statement on war paint. The majority of Plain warriors paint was a personal thing. Colors and design were personal. These could be bought, traded, given by another person. Certain paints were only used for specific ceremonies, such as Sun Dance, Puberty etc. Paints used today by many western Indians have less to do with history but rather what is available, what is accepted by the family or grandfather if a sun dance. It is not impolite to inquire or use paints for one's personal use. There is way too much mystery assocaited with Indians. It is as if we have given the race a touch of magic and it is forbbion for anyone else to use or practice. Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:11:16 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: War Paint Longwalker, Thank you, a rather splended response Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:20:37 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Indian Face Paint Tom, The AIM movement is a joke. I am so tired of hearing the BS about the chip on Indian's shoulders and how the whites should repay them forever. They should realize that if every defeated race got what they did, the world would be one big welfare thing. I have many older Indian friends and relatives and most believe the reservation thing is a BAD thing. Move on and get a job. Ask the jews, the irish, the blacks. It is just a total waste of goverment money to fund stupid projects. Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:22:27 EDT From: Casapy123 <Casapy123@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name David Mullen speaks for me too in regards to "mountain names." I haven't seen a reference as such either. Have seen plenty of names like David described as nick-names and perhaps that is what everyone is patterning these "mountain names" after. However, the names I hear sound like attempts to make Indian- sounding names. I'd truly like to see some references. Jim Hardee AMM#1676 P. O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 98 06:56:15 PDT From: "mary bunney corkran" <mbc@dmv.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Poison Ivy I am looking for information on Poison Ivy. mary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 98 07:08:33 PDT From: "mary bunney corkran" <mbc@dmv.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Recipe Hi; I am new at this,I hope I am doing this right? I am looking for any = recipes on Pemmican. Thanks Little Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:42:02 EDT From: ThisOldFox <ThisOldFox@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Poison Ivy Mary asks: > I am looking for information on Poison Ivy. Fwd: POISON IVY Prevention & Treatment It's the world's most common allergy, affecting nearly half of all Americans. Each year, about 50 million get a reaction from poison ivy, sumac and oak--including many people who aren't allergic to anything else. The wicked itch and bothersome rash are the result of urushiol oil, a potent toxin. Get as little as one-billionth of a gram on your skin and you might be scratching yourself silly. Yet a lot more than that billionth of a gram is released when the plant is disturbed through direct contact with its stem, leaves or roots. But here's how to prevent and treat poison plant reactions: PREVENTION Dose yourself with deodorant There are effective commercial products that can help keep the urushiol oil from taking hold of your skin. But in a pinch, try what members of the U.S. Forestry Service have done before venturing into nature: Spray some deodorant on exposed areas like arms and legs. The active ingredient in deodorants, aluminum chlorohydrate, can prevent urishiol from irritating the skin, and can be applied if you might come in contact with poison ivy. Just be careful not to spray any on your face. Give yourself, clothing and tools a good wash--quickly First the bad news: Since urushiol oil can remain potent for up to five years, you can get a reaction from touching tools or clothing that were used to dig up poison ivy years earlier. My son got a bad case requiring shots in the middle of January. He caught if from the residue that was still on the sleeping bag which he had used at summer camp in July. The good news: If you wash yourself and those items in soapy water within 15 minutes of contact, you can help avoid the rash. We always carried a couple of bars of Fels Naptha soap and made everyone wash down with it as soon as was feasibly possible after exposure. Calmine lotion is effective in very light cases. Severe cases may require shots. You can also get it internally in the mouth, throat, and other mucous membrane areas. You should never burn poison ivy, nor breath the fumes from it. It can get into the lungs with terminal consequences. I had it internally as a youth, requiring both shots and hospitalization. I don't know if an immunity can be built up, but it affects me only mildly today. Here's a URL if you are interested. http://www.intelihealth.com Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:21:31 EDT From: RR1LA <RR1LA@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name seems maybe some folks have gotten a bit too serious about this thread. we try and have some fun here, too. the names i been hearin all these years are 'camp names', like people have been gettin' for screwin' up for centuries, even in summer camps, day camps, school teams, etc. its all part of the fun folks. PJ ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #71 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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