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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #70 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 070 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:02:02 EDT From: KP MTN MAN <KPMTNMAN@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... I am reading "Journal of a Trapper: Rusell Osbourne" and everytime he mentions some one being maimed, etc they eith er died or went back east to the lowlands. Also ran across a term I wasn't familiar with..a man was afflicted with "Dropsy". My imagination can conjure many images as far as afflictions are concerned, but I would like the actual definition of that one. Thanks. Greenhorn in training. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:05:39 -0500 From: "Ken " <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> Subject: MtMan-List: smoke Hello the list, What HBC writes is very true. Here in south Texas we have had days where the visibility has been reduced to 1 or 2 miles. Lots of folks are getting sick and some who already have respiratory problems are really having problems. Without air conditioning it would be even worse. Wonder how they coped with things like this in the 1800's? YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:59:31 EDT From: SWcushing <SWcushing@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: 1803 Harper's Ferry Rifle (THE FOR RUNNER FOR THE HAWKINS) Hawk.....the last copy I saw of Robert M. Reilly's "United States Martial Flintlocks" was on the web (www.interloc.com) and was rather spendy. The book has been out of print for awhile now but well worth the search if you can locate one. The book is a wealth of information and makes me look like I know what I'm talking about....... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 05:53:27 -0700 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: MtMan-List: seeds This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD82EA.71BB4B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am almost out of canteen gourd seeds. But I have some from other large gourds if anyone wants them. send self address stamped envelope to Jon Towns POB 143 Manchester Wa 98353 - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD82EA.71BB4B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I am almost out of canteen gourd seeds. = But I have some from other large gourds if anyone wants = them. send self address stamped envelope to Jon = Towns POB 143 Manchester Wa 98353 </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD82EA.71BB4B60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:25:44 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stuck touch hole liner SPINNER: you probably have gauled the threads or gave cross threaded then, i see that all the time for the last 20 years i have been making my own tutch hole liners from allen screws without a head on them commonly known as set screws. they are case hardened and tough as a boot. I usually grind the bottom end and that takes the case hardening off. simply hold the screw on the allen wrench and grind to the length that it will not protrude thru the barrel. I place the allen screw in a vise and drill it with a # 55 drill which makes a .052 dia toutch hole. you can go larger if you want but that seems to work good for me and give good ignition. allen set screws have been around since the early or mid 1800 so its almost triditional. the part where the wrench gives a good champer for the spark to go thru with it being about 3 dia's larger than the toutch hole. It comes in various threads and sizes and i normally try to use the fine thread when i am putting in a new one. you can match the threds in your gun. a dab of teflon plummers puddy on the threads lubricates them and will allow you to screw the liner in and out without gaulling it as much. screw in the allen screw and grind with a drimell so that it is flush with the barrel and you have enough allen to remove or install the the screw. to get the old one out drill it with a drill being careful not to get into the threads and use a "easy out" to remove it . us a a tap with the same thread and clean out the hole. you need good tight threads so if they are damaged then you may have to go to the next size up. in that case drill almost thru the barrel and use a bottoming tap and tap to the bottom the slight amount of material will act as a stop for the allen screw. grind the outside of the set screw flush with the barrel one of the neat things is that the allen set screw has a champher on the bottom which forms a v and a natural locator for drilling the toutch hole in the screw. a allen wrench can be carried in the possibles bag and is usually smaller than a screwdriver that is required to take the slotted liners out with. hope i have been of assistance to you and this has answered your questions. you can contact me off line if you have any further questions or problems. e-maiul address is:Hawknest4@juno.com "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Tue, 19 May 1998 07:39:25 -0600 "Scott Singer - \"Spinner\"" <wwwrendezvous@geocities.com> writes: >Anyone have suggestions on how to remove a stuck touchhole liner? It >screws >in with a flat bladed screwdriver. I usually don't tighten it hard, >but I'm >starting to really chew up the slot trying to get it unscrewed. >------------------------------------------------------------- >Scott Singer, aka "Spinner" >WWW Rendezvous Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/~wwwrendezvous >Territorial Dispatch/National Association of Buckskinners Web Site > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/4833 >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:37:04 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Club Jim Hardee (Casapy123@aol.com) wrote: > I tend to think >the medallion was worn suspended from a blue ribbon around the neck, >certainly not from the short ribbon with the metal bar such as is being sold. I know what you mean, Jim, I'm always pretty skeptical about reproductions. So I was rather shocked to see that the ribbon on the William McGillivray medal at the Glenbow was, in fact, a short, wide royal blue ribbon. (The other Beaver Club medal(s) at the Glenbow are ribbonless.) It differed from the ribbon on the reproduction in two ways: first, it seemed to be a much better quality ribbon; and second, it had no bar on the top. However, the colour and size of the original & reproduction ribbons are a shockingly good match! It looks like the folks who make the reproduction did their homework. Perhaps the bar was added as a marketing point for the reproduction, so that people could readily fasten the medal to their costumes. It can easily be discarded for greater historic accuracy. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:46:40 -0400 From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... >Also ran across a term I wasn't familiar with..a man was afflicted >with "Dropsy". My imagination can conjure many images as far as afflictions >are concerned, but I would like the actual definition of that one. > >Thanks. > >Greenhorn in training. "Dropsy" is the old lay term for accumulation of too much fluid in the body. The most usual place is in the lower extremities, causing a massive swelling of the feet and legs. Various diseases are responsible for the condition, most usually heart failure, liver failure, or certain kinds of kidney disease. Dropsy is a symptom of several diseases, not a disease in its own right. As an example, cirrhosis of the liver causes what they would have called 'dropsy' in the belly, but we would call the accumulation of fluid in the abdominal cavity 'ascites'. Bob Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net> http://www.aye.net/~bspen/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:58:34 -0500 From: "Ken " <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... dropsy: obsolete term for generalized edema ( excessive amounts of tissue fluid ie: swelling) YellowFeather NREMT-A NRPM - ---------- > From: KP MTN MAN <KPMTNMAN@aol.com> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:02 PM > > I am reading "Journal of a Trapper: Rusell Osbourne" and everytime he mentions > some one being maimed, etc they eith er died or went back east to the > lowlands. Also ran across a term I wasn't familiar with..a man was afflicted > with "Dropsy". My imagination can conjure many images as far as afflictions > are concerned, but I would like the actual definition of that one. > > Thanks. > > Greenhorn in training. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:16:02 -0500 From: "Ken " <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: smoke (serious question) Hello the list, I asked a question and I suppose I should have worded it differently since I have gotten off line remarks that are not relevant to the question. Question was "wonder how they coped with things like this in the 1800's ." I had hoped for serious answers in the same vein as the one's on dropsy or on medicine in the same time period. I am doing fine in my un-airconditioned vehicle and work place, thank you. YMOS Ken YellowFeather - ---------- > From: Ken <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> > To: Mtn. Man <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Subject: smoke > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:05 PM > > Hello the list, > What HBC writes is very true. Here in south Texas we have had days where > the visibility has been reduced to 1 or 2 miles. Lots of folks are getting > sick and some who already have respiratory problems are really having > problems. Without air conditioning it would be even worse. Wonder how they > coped with things like this in the 1800's? > YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:26:40 EDT From: Traphand <Traphand@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: seeds Jon, this is traphand i sent you a letter last week about needing some seeds did you get it.please relay traphand@aol.com . traphand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:00:00 -0600 From: "Kay Fritsch" <fritsch@mhtc.net> (by way of John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>) (by way of Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>) Subject: MtMan-List: war paint Does anyone out there have any info on woodland indians(pictures,documents, articles, sketches)? I'm looking for mainly info on clothes, but anything would be a big help, like info on weapons, shelter, equiptment, leather stuff, buckskin clothes, etc. Also, if anyone has ANYTHING on war paint. i would prefer it from thewoodland indians, but any tribe would do. Thanks, fritsch@mhtc.net "Keep your stick on the ice" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:24:38 EDT From: KP MTN MAN <KPMTNMAN@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Thanks for the info. Not exactly what I had envisioned, but that dog will hunt. Greenhorn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:00:10 -0600 From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: smoke (serious question) At 01:16 PM 5/19/98 -0500, Yellowfeather wrote: >> Hello the list, >> What HBC writes is very true. Here in south Texas we have had days where >> the visibility has been reduced to 1 or 2 miles. Lots of folks are >getting >> sick and some who already have respiratory problems are really having >> problems. Without air conditioning it would be even worse. Wonder how >they >> coped with things like this in the 1800's? > The mountain men had the same problem: "A knowledge of these dangers deterred Captain Bonneville, in the present instance, from detaching small parties of trappers as he had intended; for his scouts brought him word that formidable bands of the Banneck Indians were lying on the Boisee and Payette Rivers, at no great distance, so that they would be apt to detect and cut off any stragglers. It behooved him, also, to keep his party together, to guard against any predatory attack upon the main body; he continued on his way, therefore, without dividing his forces. And fortunate it was that he did so; for in a little while he encountered one of the phenomena of the western wilds that would effectually have prevented his scattered people from finding each other again. In a word, it was the season of setting fire to the prairies. As he advanced he began to perceive great clouds of smoke at a distance, rising by degrees, and spreading over the whole face of the country. The atmosphere became dry and surcharged with murky vapor, parching to the skin, and irritating to the eyes. When travelling among the hills, they could scarcely discern objects at the distance of a few paces; indeed, the least exertion of the vision was painful. There was evidently some vast conflagration in the direction toward which they were proceeding; it was as yet at a great distance, and during the day they could only see the smoke rising in larger and denser volumes, and rolling forth in an immense canopy. At night the skies were all glowing with the reflection of unseen fires, hanging in an immense body of lurid light high above the horizon. " ...... "During four days that the party were ascending Gun Creek, the smoke continued to increase so rapidly that it was impossible to distinguish the face of the country and ascertain landmarks. Fortunately, the travellers fell upon an Indian trail. which led them to the head-waters of the Fourche de Glace or Ice River, sometimes called the Grand Rond. Here they found all the plains and valleys wrapped in one vast conflagration; which swept over the long grass in billows of flame, shot up every bush and tree, rose in great columns from the groves, and set up clouds of smoke that darkened the atmosphere. To avoid this sea of fire, the travellers had to pursue their course close along the foot of the mountains; but the irritation from the smoke continued to be tormenting. " >From chapter 44: Irving, Washington, The adventures of Captain Bonneville U.S.A., in the Rocky Mountains and the Far West. Digested from his journal, Author's revised edition. Complete in one volume, New York: George P. Putnam, 155 Broadway, and 142 Strand, London. 1849. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Rudy AMM#1530 Email: drudy@xmission.com Park City, Utah WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:20:18 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint kay: suggest you hit " Barns and Nobels book store. they had a excellent book on indians that they had on sale in our area a bout a month ago. the name of it was The native american an illustrated history with a ISBN # 1-878685-42-2. it was written by a combination of authors and had in the back the family chart for all the different indian tribes and the area of the country that they were located in. it is very pictorial and has good descriptions that go along with the photographs.. It is the companion book that goes with turner broadcasting presentation "The native americans, Beyond the myths" which was a television series. The contributing authors for the book were: David Hurst Thomas Jay Miller Richard White Peter Nabokov Philip J. Deloria each of the authors also have books that they have published in their area of expertise. I probably could give you a lot more information but your question was not specific. in what area of the woodland indians and the time period that you are interested in there are over 80 different tribes in the northeast with the main family line being the Algonquin or the Iroquoian. the main family lines for the south east being Algonquian, muskogean,iroquoian. siouian with about 30 tribes that belong to the main family lines. so you can see you need to be a little more specific in the area of the country you are interested in and if you know a tribe let me know. if you don't then just give me the state or area you are interested in and i can see what i might have available in my reference library that i can xerox or scan for you. You might also send $20.00 to the national museum of the american indian @ p.o. box 65303 washington D.C. and become a member and recieve their magazine on Native peoples. they are a part of smithonian and have all of the Heye collection of indian artifacts which contain over a million items of indian history. In 1989 the us congress passed a law creating the museum of the American indian which is the 15th museum of the smithsonian institute. the museum is located in New York City and will be on the mall in washington Dc around the year 2000. the above reference shows war paint and costumes and weapons and a lot of neet stuff. hope i have been of assistance to you and feel free to contact me offline at Hawknest4@juno.com if you have further questions. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Tue, 19 May 1998 21:00:00 -0600 "Kay Fritsch" <fritsch@mhtc.net> (by way of John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>) (by way of Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>) writes: > >Does anyone out there have any info on woodland >indians(pictures,documents, articles, sketches)? I'm looking for >mainly >info on >clothes, but anything would be a big help, like info on weapons, >shelter, >equiptment, leather stuff, buckskin clothes, etc. >Also, if anyone has ANYTHING on war paint. i would prefer it from >thewoodland indians, but any tribe would do. > > >Thanks, >fritsch@mhtc.net >"Keep your stick on the ice" > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:57:26 -0700 From: Gary Bell <micropt@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Dropsy n. (derived through Middle English dropesie, short for ydroppesie, from Old French and Latin hydropisis, a modification of Greek hydrops, from hydor -- relating to water), edema, particularly an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the abdomen, chest or legs producing a turgid or stiff swelling, frequently connoting a circulatory failure of some sort. KP MTN MAN wrote: > I am reading "Journal of a Trapper: Rusell Osbourne" and everytime he mentions > some one being maimed, etc they eith er died or went back east to the > lowlands. Also ran across a term I wasn't familiar with..a man was afflicted > with "Dropsy". My imagination can conjure many images as far as afflictions > are concerned, but I would like the actual definition of that one. > > Thanks. > > Greenhorn in training. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:12:54 -0700 From: Gary Bell <micropt@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoke Are y'all talkin' smoke or smog here? Given how mobile these folks were can you imagine the trappers hanging around a natural fire? I understand than native folk set lots of fires out here in the big valleys of Western Oregon, to clear away shrubs and trees and preserve the open grasslands. With the thunderstorms of the Rockies and the midwest I imagine that prairie and foothill summers and autumns featured a good number of grass and timber fires. How about the history buffs out there? Any significant references to interaction of the trapper folks with grass or timber fires? Gary Bell still workin' on the mountain name Ken wrote: > Hello the list, > What HBC writes is very true. Here in south Texas we have had days where > the visibility has been reduced to 1 or 2 miles. Lots of folks are getting > sick and some who already have respiratory problems are really having > problems. Without air conditioning it would be even worse. Wonder how they > coped with things like this in the 1800's? > YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:16:12 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Kay, A real good source for Woodland Indian info is the book "Indian Handicrafts" by C. Keith Wilbur. I don't have the ISDN or anything here at work, but could get it if you need it. The book has everything from gardening to making your own beads out of shells, cloths, traps, dyes, wigwams, and lots more. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:40:05 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint War paint's not a subject that should be broached with American Indians. It's now passed by family..specific colors and also certain tribes have certain colors that they use although nowdays it's still impolite to inquire IHMO. Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:24:56 -0400 From: seanbear <seanbear@mci2000.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Dropsy was an old term meaning the retention of fluid in the body... ie... like retention of water secondary to high blood pressure today. Symptoms were swelling of the feet , ankles, and lower legs, bloated feeling... etc... Addison Miller - -----Original Message----- From: KP MTN MAN <KPMTNMAN@aol.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 10:11 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... >I am reading "Journal of a Trapper: Rusell Osbourne" and everytime he mentions >some one being maimed, etc they eith er died or went back east to the >lowlands. Also ran across a term I wasn't familiar with..a man was afflicted >with "Dropsy". My imagination can conjure many images as far as afflictions >are concerned, but I would like the actual definition of that one. > >Thanks. > >Greenhorn in training. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:47:15 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoke >Are y'all talkin' smoke or smog here? I don't know what it was to the trappers, but here in Texas it's definitely smoke. South Texas has it a bit worse, where it actually does resemble smog. Here in Lubbock, it's an upper atmospheric haze, where you can't see the blue sky on a cloudless day. We're starting to get some relief, because the dry line is finally moving east, so dry Southwesterly winds are pushing it all away. The sky is getting blue again. Cheers once again, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:05:39 EDT From: CT OAKES <CTOAKES@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stuck touch hole liner At your local hardware store you can buy a set of screw extractors. They are not expensive and come in handy. To use them you drill out the touch hole a little and insert the right size extractor and turn left/counter clockwise. The extractor has a really exaggerated tread that will grab the hole and make it turn. Then go buy a new liner and you are back in business. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:12:45 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint kay: One other reference book that you might look at is "Warriors" warfair and the american indian By Norman bancroft hunt ISBN# 0-517-14033-0 sold by Barns and nobel book store-- primarily chapters 0ne, two and three. gives weapons and info on the warrier societies-- some pictures of paint-- watch the family lines it may not be what you are looking for each tribe or family line had a specific color or pattern that they used as a identification and as a status symbol. paint is a special thing to each and sometimes not fully documented except for a specific family groop. sometimes considered religious in nature. contact me off line if you have any questions. @ Hawknest4@juno.com "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Hallo Gail On Mon, 18 May 1998, Gail Carbiener wrote: > Anybody got other references of such problems and how they were treated? A good read is the current Lewis biography called "Undaunted Courage" by Ambrose. Merriweather Lewis was pretty up to date on medicine of the day... as much as any doctor I begin to think.... anyway, the book covers with some detail the day to day care of medical problems, however, having said that.... Capt Lewis treated just about every ill with a super purgative "Dr Rush's Lightning Pills". For VD (syphilis) mecury was the treatment of choice. Dr Rush stated...."When you feel the least indisposition, do not attempt to overcome it by labour or marching. Rest in a horizontal posture. Also fasting and diluting drinks for a day or two will genrally prevent an attack of fever. To these preventatives of disease may be added a gentle sweat obtained by warm drinks, or gently opening the bowels by means of one, two, or more of the purging pills." Dr Rush's pills were composed of calomel, a misture of six parts mercury to one part cholorine, and jalap, apparently all of these drugs were good laxitives, and when combined... well, the results were "explosive" (pg 89) The only frostbite they discuss was Clark's slave (York)... and he got frostbitten on the penis (of all places). Later, while in winter camp on the Columbia (Oregon), the book discusses the amputation of frostbitten toes (local Indians). The Fort Clatsop period is the most intensive in medical discussion as there was always someone suffering from colds, muscle strains, syphilis, etc.) My readings haven't really come up with anything other than bleeding the poor SOB, administering purgatives (Dr Rush's were laced with Mercury by the way), or cutting off the affected body parts. There was also of course Laudinum (sp), apparently a powerful narcotic to dull pain. Seems to me that surviving the injury/illness was the first part of being sick, surviving the doctor's treatment was the second :) Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:12:27 EDT From: LODGEPOLE <LODGEPOLE@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoke from Mexico In a message dated 98-05-18 19:13:30 EDT, you write: << Now I can relate somewhat to what the folks in Spokane were getting 18 years ago today. The Mexican fires are making the skies here more than a bit hazy. ------------------------->> That smoke creeped all the way up here over the weekend in the St. Louis area, mostly on Friday, seemed to have blown out on Sat. and Sun. Longhsot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:20:27 -0500 From: Darrel Grubbs <grubbsd@hutchcc.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: Convert or not - -- Darrel Grubbs, MICT, EMT I/C Adjunct EMS Instructor HCC Emergency Services Academy I'm wondering if I should attempt a CVA cap to flint conversion? Is it hard? Safe? and Cost effective? Where do I find the parts? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:45:01 EDT From: Casapy123 <Casapy123@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... If you are interested in medical remedies used by Lewis and Clark, one of the best resources is "Only One Man Died, the Medical Aspects of the Lewis and Clark Expedition." by Eldon G. Chuinard, MD. It was originally published by the Arthur H. Clark Co. in Glendale, CA. in two editions of 1000 copies each. As such, it is currently out of print and difficult to find. It was reprinted by Ye Galleon Press out of Fairfield, WA in 1979. This edition is fairly findable for around $30.00. Don't know if there are any more current paper back issues by any of the University presses. Jim Hardee AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:31:14 -0600 From: Les Chaffin <chaflesl@isu.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: Cache Valley This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------E25AB7096074CB5F50595812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When is the Cache Valley rendezvous? Les - --------------E25AB7096074CB5F50595812 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Les Chaffin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Les Chaffin n: Chaffin ;Les org: Twin Falls Computer Center Mgr. adr;dom: 34 Barton Lane;;;Twin Falls;Idaho;83301; email;internet: chaflesl@isu.edu title: Idaho State University tel;work: 208-736-2119 tel;fax: 208-236-4836 tel;home: 208-736-6002 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------E25AB7096074CB5F50595812-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:45:04 EDT From: Casapy123 <Casapy123@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoke Check "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller," page 198 for a painting Miller did called "Prairie on Fire." Miller's notes say "Towards the Fall the grass, which has attained the height of 3 or 4 feet, becomes parched and dry. It is then very infalmmable and either by accident or design takes fire. The manner of its approach is insidious enough; at first a slight haze is seen near the horizon, but the experienced eye of the Trapper or Indian immediately detects the nature of the visitor, and all hands in the camp are immediately busy in setting fire to the long grass about them;-not suffring it to make much headway, but beating it down with cloths & blankets. In this manner large spaces are cleared, horses, mules, and tents are secured in the burnt areas, which are enlarged as time permits, and escape from certain death is thus averated through a very simple process. The fire sweeps round with the speed of a race horse, licking up every thing that it touches with tis fiery tongue,-leaving nothing in its train but a blackened heath." Essentailly, they set a backfire! Jim Hardee AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:40:47 -0500 From: "Ken " <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Smoked I wanted to say thanks to Dean and Jim for the history and suggestions. This is exactly the kind of information that I was hoping for. It looks as though they were not much different from some of us today when it comes to adversity and how they dealt with it. YMOS, Ken YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:53:58 -0700 From: Gary Bell <micropt@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medical Remedies.... Lee: Laudinum is a tincture or extract of opium in alcohol. The stuff makes Darvon look like candy, and very adictive if given in any quantity or for any significant period of time. Gary Bell Lee Newbill wrote: > Hallo Gail > > On Mon, 18 May 1998, Gail Carbiener wrote: > > Anybody got other references of such problems and how they were treated? > > A good read is the current Lewis biography called "Undaunted Courage" by > Ambrose. Merriweather Lewis was pretty up to date on medicine of the > day... as much as any doctor I begin to think.... anyway, the book covers > with some detail the day to day care of medical problems, however, having > said that.... Capt Lewis treated just about every ill with a super > purgative "Dr Rush's Lightning Pills". For VD (syphilis) mecury was the > treatment of choice. > > Dr Rush stated...."When you feel the least indisposition, do not attempt > to overcome it by labour or marching. Rest in a horizontal posture. > Also fasting and diluting drinks for a day or two will genrally prevent > an attack of fever. To these preventatives of disease may be added a > gentle sweat obtained by warm drinks, or gently opening the bowels by > means of one, two, or more of the purging pills." Dr Rush's pills were > composed of calomel, a misture of six parts mercury to one part cholorine, > and jalap, apparently all of these drugs were good laxitives, and when > combined... well, the results were "explosive" (pg 89) > > The only frostbite they discuss was Clark's slave (York)... and he got > frostbitten on the penis (of all places). Later, while in winter camp on > the Columbia (Oregon), the book discusses the amputation of frostbitten > toes (local Indians). > > The Fort Clatsop period is the most intensive in medical discussion as > there was always someone suffering from colds, muscle strains, syphilis, > etc.) > > My readings haven't really come up with anything other than bleeding the > poor SOB, administering purgatives (Dr Rush's were laced with Mercury by > the way), or cutting off the affected body parts. There was also of course > Laudinum (sp), apparently a powerful narcotic to dull pain. Seems to me > that surviving the injury/illness was the first part of being sick, > surviving the doctor's treatment was the second :) > > Regards > > Lee Newbill > Viola, Idaho > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage > http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #70 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.