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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #68 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, May 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 068 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:34:10 -0700 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got that mangled up thing you call an envelope but I put the seeds in anyway put some dry ones in also. they should have a good start in the damp paper towel and plastic bag. I also got Ken Carpenters and Matt Mitchell's letters also they are on their way. I hope that everyone gets a good crop hopefully that the growing season is long enough. Later Jon T - ---------- : From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds : Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:15 PM : : john i put mine on the porch and jumped up and down on it to make sure it : had good track on it and stamped it inside and out. envelope was : included. best to you : YMHOS : "Hawk" : Michael Pierce : 854 Glenfield Dr. : Palm Harbor, florida 34684 : 1-(813) 771-1815 : : On Mon, 11 May 1998 17:49:37 -0700 "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> : writes: : >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : > : >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : > : >I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE THANKS JON T : > : >---------- : >From: JON P TOWNS <AMM944@prodigy.net> : >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com; ammlist@lists.xmission.com : >Subject: gourd seeds : >Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:28 PM : > : >I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who wants them send me a : >self : >addressed envelope and I will stick them in a plastic bag in a damp : >paper : >towel and they should be ready to put in a starter pot. If you don't : >them : >already germinated let me know and I'll send them dry. Just send the : >replies to : >Jon Towns : >P O Box 143 : >Manchester WA 98353 : > : >I'll enclose about a dozen that should give everyone who wants them : >enough : >to grow this summer. They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix AZ : > : > : >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable : > : ><html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE = : >THANKS JON T ---------- From: JON P TOWNS <color=3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.netcolor=3D"#000000">> To: color=3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000">; color=3D"#0000FF">ammlist@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000"> Subject: gourd seeds Date: Saturday, May 09, : >= : >1998 7:28 PM I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who : >wants = : >them send me a self addressed envelope and I will stick them in a = : >plastic bag in a damp paper towel and they should be ready to put in a : >= : >starter pot. If you don't them already germinated let me know : >and = : >I'll send them dry. Just send the replies to Jon Towns P : >O = : >Box 143 Manchester WA 98353 I'll enclose about a dozen that : >= : >should give everyone who wants them enough to grow this summer. = : > They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix AZ = : > : ></body></html> : >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60-- : > : > : : _____________________________________________________________________ : You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. : Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com : Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I got that mangled up thing you call an = envelope but I put the seeds in anyway put some dry ones in also. = they should have a good start in the damp paper towel and plastic = bag. I also got Ken Carpenters and Matt Mitchell's letters also they are = on their way. I hope that everyone gets a good crop hopefully that = the growing season is long enough. Later Jon = T ---------- : From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds : = Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:15 PM : : john i put mine on the = porch and jumped up and down on it to make sure it : had good track = on it and stamped it inside and out. envelope was : included. = best to you : YMHOS : = "Hawk" : Michael = Pierce : 854 Glenfield Dr. : Palm Harbor, florida = 34684 : 1-(813) 771-1815 : : On Mon, 11 May 1998 = 17:49:37 -0700 "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> : writes: : >This is a multi-part = message in MIME format. : > : = >------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: = text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: = 7bit : > : >I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE THANKS JON = T : > : >---------- : >From: JON P TOWNS <AMM944@prodigy.net> : >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com; ammlist@lists.xmission.com : >Subject: gourd seeds : >Date: = Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:28 PM : > : >I have some canteen = gourd seeds for anyone who wants them send me a : >self : = >addressed envelope and I will stick them in a plastic bag in a damp = : >paper : >towel and they should be ready to put in a = starter pot. If you don't : >them : >already = germinated let me know and I'll send them dry. Just send the : = >replies to : >Jon Towns : >P O Box 143 : = >Manchester WA 98353 : > : >I'll enclose about a dozen = that should give everyone who wants them : >enough : >to = grow this summer. They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix AZ = : > : > : = >------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: = text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: = quoted-printable : > : = ><html><head></head><BODY = bgcolor=3D3D"#FFFFFF">: = >color=3D3D"#000000" face=3D3D"Arial">I FORGOT = PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE =3D : >THANKS JON = T ---------- From: JON P TOWNS = <: = >color=3D3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.net: = >color=3D3D"#000000">> To: : >color=3D3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.com: = >color=3D3D"#000000">; : = >color=3D3D"#0000FF">ammlist@lists.xmission.com: = >color=3D3D"#000000"> Subject: gourd = seeds Date: Saturday, May 09, : >=3D : >1998 7:28 = PM I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who = : >wants =3D : >them send me a self addressed envelope and = I will stick them in a =3D : >plastic bag in a damp paper towel = and they should be ready to put in a : >=3D : >starter pot. =  If you don't them already germinated let me know : >and = =3D : >I'll send them dry.  Just send the replies to = Jon Towns P : >O =3D : >Box = 143 Manchester WA 98353 I'll enclose about a = dozen that : >=3D : >should give everyone who wants them = enough to grow this summer. =3D : > They are hard to dry = these came from Phoenix AZ =3D : = >    : = ><= /font></body></html> : = >------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60-- : > : > : = : = _____________________________________________________________________ = : You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet = e-mail. : Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com : Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] : = </f= ont></font= ></body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:24:34 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooting targets charley haffner produces all types of paper novelty targets-- dont know his address but some of his targets are sold by national Muzzle loading rifle association-- suggest you call them and get his phone number he also advertises in muzzle blast magazine NMLRA has a web site and a e-mail address. If your going to do novelty targets suggest you do them yourself, such as thumb tacks on a white piece of paper-- measure closest string center of tack to center of bullet. life savers on a string--- charcoal briquettes on a string. playing cards,edgewise and flat YOUR MIND CAN MAKE A SHOOTER HAVE NIGHTMARES IF YOU WORK AT IT. WAS MEMBER OF THE TRAPPERS OF STARVED ROCK AND FOR YEARS NO PAPER TARGETS WERE USED AT ANY OF THEIR SHOOTS. AND SOME OF THE GUYS WERE VERY CREATIVE AND CHALLENGING WITH THEIR CHOICE OF TARGETS. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 14 May 1998 08:40:27 -0600 jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) writes: >Our local club is looking for novelty paper targets. You know the type >that >have V's, wasps, ground hog, bottles, etc. Is there a web site? I have >quite a few but are always looking for more. I can photo copy mine and >trade. >Thanks >Joe > >By the way, we are finishing quite a few buffalo robes. Full hides and >halves if anyone is interested. Lots of deer and elk rawhide completed >also. > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 >Write for custom tanning prices >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather >and >hair on robes >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, >baskets >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:01:13 -0700 From: Frank <MedicineBear@Hawken54.sparks.nv.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys Dale, Great passages from God's word and real darn good you're reading it! "Beelzebub" is the new testament form of "Baal Zebub". In the time of Christ this was the current name for the chief or prince of demons. "Beelzebul" in Syriac means lord of dung. Beelzebul is thought to be the word intended and is also sometimes pronounced "Baal Zebel". Okay, in my Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary "Beelzebub" is defined as a Philistine god, literally "lord of flies" In my King James Bible, in the footnote for Matthew 10:25, it also states that beelzebub was also known as "the lord of flies" and "the prince of demons". None of this came from saturday morning cartoons! Why would you assume such a thing? You have 5 more verses? I have 13 more respected biblical scholars! I did however misspell beelzebub and I thank you for the correction. YMHOS, Frank Dale Nelson wrote: > Frank wrote: > > > > "Belzebub" means lord of the flys! > > King James Version of the Bible: > > Matthew 12:24 > But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast > out devils, but by BEELZEBUB the prince of the devils. > > Luke 11:15 > But some of them said, He casteth out devils through BEELZEBUB the chief > of the devils. > > I have 5 more verses if you are interested. Again, according to Bernard > DeVoto, historian emeritis, in the book "Across the Wide Missouri" -- > "Bugs Boys is derived from BEELZEBUB." > > "Lord of the Flies" -- you've got to be kidding, remember Saturday > morning cartoons aren't history. > Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:32:02 -1000 From: Blue Rider <blurdr@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys > Again, according to > Bernard > DeVoto, historian emeritis, in the book "Across the Wide Missouri" -- > "Bugs Boys is derived from BEELZEBUB." > > "Lord of the Flies" -- you've got to be kidding, remember Saturday > morning cartoons aren't history. > Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net Actually Be-el Zebub *was* lord of the flies in Babylon. Be-el Zebub was not a god, but a psychopomp, a being who conducts souls to the Underworld. In Babylonian religion, souls were symbolized as flies, therefore Lord of the Flies. My mind retains the oddest things. Blue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:15:55 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy Is anyone planning to attend the Raton (Santa Fe Trail) rondy June 7-13? I might go this year and take my two daughters (7,10). We all do living history of all periods, but we've never gone to this one. Our friends who regularly go won't make it this year, so I won't know anyone, unless some of y'all are going. Who plans to go, and what can I expect? What kids activities would there be for kids? My wife won't be going, so I'll be fully responsible for the kids. ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:40 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds Looking forward to their arival only wish i had them in the ground earlier-- It's how as hell down here right now and will have to water daily in the evenings or will burn them out. I may save a few for next spring and start them early so that they can produce all summer and fall- Our growing season here is different than yours. I have tomato plants and pepper plants that are 3 years old and still producing. I am interested to see what they do and if they will live thru the winter months. since we don't have much of a winter. best to you and many thinks. YMHOSASHAT "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 14 May 1998 17:34:10 -0700 "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> writes: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I got that mangled up thing you call an envelope but I put the seeds >in >anyway put some dry ones in also. >they should have a good start in the damp paper towel and plastic bag. >I >also got Ken Carpenters and Matt Mitchell's letters also they are on >their >way. I hope that everyone gets a good crop hopefully that the growing >season is long enough. Later Jon T > >---------- >: From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> >: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds >: Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:15 PM >: >: john i put mine on the porch and jumped up and down on it to make >sure it >: had good track on it and stamped it inside and out. envelope was >: included. best to you >: YMHOS >: "Hawk" >: Michael Pierce >: 854 Glenfield Dr. >: Palm Harbor, florida 34684 >: 1-(813) 771-1815 >: >: On Mon, 11 May 1998 17:49:37 -0700 "JON P TOWNS" ><AMM944@prodigy.net> >: writes: >: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >: > >: >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 >: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >: > >: >I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE THANKS JON T >: > >: >---------- >: >From: JON P TOWNS <AMM944@prodigy.net> >: >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com; ammlist@lists.xmission.com >: >Subject: gourd seeds >: >Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:28 PM >: > >: >I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who wants them send me a > >: >self >: >addressed envelope and I will stick them in a plastic bag in a damp > >: >paper >: >towel and they should be ready to put in a starter pot. If you >don't >: >them >: >already germinated let me know and I'll send them dry. Just send >the >: >replies to >: >Jon Towns >: >P O Box 143 >: >Manchester WA 98353 >: > >: >I'll enclose about a dozen that should give everyone who wants them > >: >enough >: >to grow this summer. They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix >AZ >: > >: > >: >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 >: >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >: > >: ><html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">: >color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT >ENVELOPE = >: >THANKS JON T ---------- From: JON P TOWNS <: >color=3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.net: >color=3D"#000000">> To: : >color=3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.com: >color=3D"#000000">; : >color=3D"#0000FF">ammlist@lists.xmission.com: >color=3D"#000000"> Subject: gourd seeds Date: Saturday, May >09, >: >= >: >1998 7:28 PM I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who >: >wants = >: >them send me a self addressed envelope and I will stick them in a = >: >plastic bag in a damp paper towel and they should be ready to put >in a >: >= >: >starter pot. If you don't them already germinated let me know > >: >and = >: >I'll send them dry. Just send the replies to Jon Towns > P >: >O = >: >Box 143 Manchester WA 98353 I'll enclose about a dozen >that >: >= >: >should give everyone who wants them enough to grow this summer. = >: > They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix AZ = >: > >: ></body></html> >: >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60-- >: > >: > >: >: >_____________________________________________________________________ >: You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >: Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >: Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >: >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">I got that mangled up thing you call >an = >envelope but I put the seeds in anyway put some dry ones in also. = > they should have a good start in the damp paper towel and plastic >= >bag. I also got Ken Carpenters and Matt Mitchell's letters also they >are = >on their way. I hope that everyone gets a good crop hopefully >that = >the growing season is long enough. Later Jon = >T ---------- : From: Michael Pierce <color=3D"#0000FF">hawknest4@juno.comcolor=3D"#000000">> : To: color=3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000"> : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: gourd seeds : >= >Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:15 PM : : john i put mine on the = >porch and jumped up and down on it to make sure it : had good track >= >on it and stamped it inside and out. envelope was : included. >= > best to you : YMHOS : = > "Hawk" : Michael = >Pierce : 854 Glenfield Dr. : Palm Harbor, florida = > 34684 : 1-(813) 771-1815 : : On Mon, 11 May 1998 >= >17:49:37 -0700 "JON P TOWNS" <color=3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.netcolor=3D"#000000">> : writes: : >This is a multi-part = >message in MIME format. : > : = >>------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: = >text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: = >7bit : > : >I FORGOT PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE THANKS JON >= >T : > : >---------- : >From: JON P TOWNS <color=3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.netcolor=3D"#000000">> : >To: color=3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000">; color=3D"#0000FF">ammlist@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000"> : >Subject: gourd seeds : >Date: = >Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:28 PM : > : >I have some canteen >= >gourd seeds for anyone who wants them send me a : >self : = >>addressed envelope and I will stick them in a plastic bag in a >damp = > : >paper : >towel and they should be ready to put in a = >starter pot. If you don't : >them : >already = >germinated let me know and I'll send them dry. Just send >the : = >>replies to : >Jon Towns : >P O Box 143 : = >>Manchester WA 98353 : > : >I'll enclose about a dozen >= >that should give everyone who wants them : >enough : >to >= >grow this summer. They are hard to dry these came from Phoenix >AZ = > : > : > : = >>------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60 : >Content-Type: = >text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 : >Content-Transfer-Encoding: = >quoted-printable : > : = >><html><head></head><BODY = >bgcolor=3D3D"#FFFFFF">=3D : = >>color=3D3D"#000000" face=3D3D"Arial">I >FORGOT = >PLEASE STAMP THAT ENVELOPE =3D : >THANKS JON = >T ---------- From: JON P TOWNS = ><: = >>color=3D3D"#0000FF">color=3D"#0000FF">AMM944@prodigy.netcolor=3D"#000000">: = >>color=3D3D"#000000">> To: =3D : >color=3D3D"#0000FF">color=3D"#0000FF">hist_text@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000">: = >>color=3D3D"#000000">; : = >>color=3D3D"#0000FF">color=3D"#0000FF">ammlist@lists.xmission.comcolor=3D"#000000">: = >>color=3D3D"#000000"> Subject: gourd = >seeds Date: Saturday, May 09, : >=3D : >1998 >7:28 = >PM I have some canteen gourd seeds for anyone who = > : >wants =3D : >them send me a self addressed envelope >and = >I will stick them in a =3D : >plastic bag in a damp paper towel >= >and they should be ready to put in a : >=3D : >starter >pot. = > If you don't them already germinated let me know : >>and = >=3D : >I'll send them dry.  Just send the replies to = > Jon Towns P : >O =3D : >Box = >143 Manchester WA 98353 I'll enclose about >a = >dozen that : >=3D : >should give everyone who wants them >= >enough to grow this summer. =3D : > They are hard to >dry = >these came from Phoenix AZ =3D : = >>    : >= >><= >/font></body></html> : = >>------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD7D05.2A294C60-- : > : >> : = > : = >_____________________________________________________________________ = >: You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet = >e-mail. : Get completely free e-mail from Juno at color=3D"#0000FF">http://www.juno.comcolor=3D"#000000"> : Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] : >= > ></f= >ont></font= >></body></html> >------=_NextPart_000_01BD7F5E.81254A40-- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:41:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys > > > Again, according to > > Bernard > > DeVoto, historian emeritis, in the book "Across the Wide Missouri" -- > > "Bugs Boys is derived from BEELZEBUB." > > > > "Lord of the Flies" -- you've got to be kidding, remember Saturday > > morning cartoons aren't history. > > Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net Did historian emeritus(?) DeVoto mention how he knows this? I mean, did he cite some period source that explained where the term came from? or is this just what he supposes? I know of other cases in his book where he states things as facts, where actually they aren't substantiated with period sources. Even though DeVoto writes some entertaining books, one has to be careful to recognize what are real documentable facts, and not accept as gospel all of DeVoto's _opinions_ without a grain of salt. The "Bugs Boys" story may or may not be one of these cases... (This ought to make for a fun debate with any DeVoto-ees in the group!) - -Dean Rudy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:57:21 -0400 From: matt despain <sdespain@ou.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: Thanks for the help To all those who have helped me with information on their clubs/groups, I thank you much. If any newcommers are reading this I am looking for modern day buckskinning club histories and charters. I am working on a dissertation about the mountain man's image in American culture and want to discuss the buckskinning movement as part of it. If any are willing to provide this info I would be greatful. Thanks, Matt "Doc Wannabe" Despain 1339 Homeland Ave Norman OK 73072 sdespain@ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:54:44 -0600 From: Bob Grzywacz <bob@plan-et.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy Henry B. Crawford wrote: > > Is anyone planning to attend the Raton (Santa Fe Trail) rondy June 7-13? I > might go this year and take my two daughters (7,10). We all do living Henry If you do get down there stop by and say hello. I'll be setting up about Thursday---I think__ Bob G Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading http://www.plan-et.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:04:46 -0400 From: matt despain <sdespain@ou.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: lost information To those who sent me information about buckskinning groups or ideas for examining this facet of American culture last week I thank you, but I need your help again. I, being the computer idiot that I am, lost all the information you sent me. I wish I could blame it on the computer but I know better. If you all could give a bit more of your time and re-E-mail what you did last week I would be very greatful. Thanks, Matt Despain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:59 -0400 From: matt despain <sdespain@ou.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: looking for rendezvous in Oklahoma I'm looking for any rendezvous in Oklahoma this Summer, preferably in the central portions of the state. If any Oklahomans are part of this discussion group give me a holler. Matt "Doc Wannabe" Despain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:13:04 EDT From: RR1LA <RR1LA@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for rendezvous in Oklahoma Matt, coming up Sept. 4-7, PAwnee Primitive Gathering. Pawnee Lake, Pawnee, OK contact # 415/362-4161 or 918/762-2493. Enjoy. PJ Also, for a really complete listing of events, get ahold of a copy of The Smoke & Fire News, PO 166, Grand Rapids, OH 43522. $18/yr or $2 bucks for a sample copy. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 98 14:27:24 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy.. My wife and I will be going, but just for the weekend. See you there. Maybe we ought to set up some kind of meeting place and time for all of us on the history list to meet - get to know in person who we talk to on the net? Someone want to set this up? DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY Bob Grzywacz wrote: >Henry B. Crawford wrote: >> >> Is anyone planning to attend the Raton (Santa Fe Trail) rondy June 7-13? I >> might go this year and take my two daughters (7,10). We all do living > >Henry >If you do get down there stop by and say hello. I'll be setting up >about Thursday---I think__ >Bob G >Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading >http://www.plan-et.com/thunder/ > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3CE3FD0116; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:05:02 MST >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaOjJ-00014A-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:57:13 -0600 >Received: from (xmission.xmission.com) [198.60.22.2] (drudy) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaOjG-00013l-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:57:11 -0600 >Received: (from drudy@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id >LAA02026 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:57:08 - -0600 (MDT) >Received: from (jerry.pcisys.net) [207.76.102.251] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaNgk-00050R-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:50:30 -0600 >Received: from client (prof151.pcisys.net [207.204.7.151]) > by jerry.pcisys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) via SMTP id KAA15694 > for <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:50:27 - -0600 >(MDT) > env-from (bob@plan-et.com) >Message-ID: <355C6544.1844@plan-et.com> >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:54:44 -0600 >From: Bob Grzywacz <bob@plan-et.com> >Organization: Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy >References: <01IX26T62B0C8ZE0EN@TTACS.TTU.EDU> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 891663356 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 98 14:29:42 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: looking for rendezvous in Oklahoma I'm a transplanted Okie, but couldn't tell you off hand of any doins there. Where do you live? DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY matt despain wrote: >I'm looking for any rendezvous in Oklahoma this Summer, preferably in >the central portions of the state. If any Oklahomans are part of this >discussion group give me a holler. > >Matt "Doc Wannabe" Despain > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3C0C4010E; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:13:04 MST >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaPn2-0004as-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:05:08 -0600 >Received: from (xmission.xmission.com) [198.60.22.2] (drudy) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaPn0-0004an-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:05:06 -0600 >Received: (from drudy@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id >NAA16382 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:05:04 - -0600 (MDT) >Received: from (hermes.services.ou.edu) [129.15.2.121] > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yaOpb-0001Qn-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:03:43 -0600 >Received: from styx.services.ou.edu by hermes.services.ou.edu with ESMTP; >Fri, 15 May 1998 13:03:42 -0500 >Received: from publob12 ([129.15.71.127]) > by styx.services.ou.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06593 > for <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:03:41 -0500 (CDT) >Message-ID: <355C766F.5254@ou.edu> >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:59 -0400 >From: matt despain <sdespain@ou.edu> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: looking for rendezvous in Oklahoma >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 891663358 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:10:13 -0600 From: bob----debie <bob@plan-et.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy.. Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: > > My wife and I will be going, but just for the weekend. See you there. > Maybe we ought to set up some kind of meeting place and time for all of us > on the history list to meet - get to know in person who we talk to on the > net? Someone want to set this up? I will be there for the duration. If you want to use my lodge for a gathering place, just give the word. I'll see if I can keep a pot of coffee goin. Bring a cup. bob G Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:16:04 EDT From: EmmaPeel2 <EmmaPeel2@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Raton Rondy.. Where exactly is the Raton Rondy being held, and when? If we hide behind a tree, is it possible to camp? Sounds like fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 05:33:36 -0700 From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys Let me try this one more time. I thought the conversation was about "bugs boys," and if the term is factual, and if so where did it come from. Again, once more, let me try this. Bernard DeVoto in the book he wrote that is titled "Across the Wide Missouri" said the term started out as Beelzebub Boys, then Bub's Boys, and then Bugs Boys. Are you still with me. I then pointed out that Beelzebub is fromn the bible and means Devil. Dean pointed out that Joe Meek said that "Bugs Boys" means "sons of the Devil." Then Frank, you pointed out that Beezlebub means lord of the flies. I'm sorry if I can't figure out where that has any more to do with either bugs boys or DeVoto than Saturday morning cartoons would. So I pointed out two scripture verses that show the point DeVoto is making and we get a long disertation on Beelzebub and the bible from you. If you are going to look up something in your dictionary, why don't you try "bugs boys?" And if your 13 bible scholars have any knowledge on A. why the Blackfoot Indians during the 1830's might have been called "bugs boys" by American beaver trappers, or B. if they know anything about DeVoto we need to know, then by all means let us hear from them, because I've said everything I know on the subject of "bugs boys." DN Frank wrote: > > Dale, > > Great passages from God's word and real darn good you're reading it! > "Beelzebub" is the new testament form of "Baal Zebub". In the time of > Christ this was the current name for the chief or prince of demons. > "Beelzebul" in Syriac means lord of dung. Beelzebul is thought to be the > word intended and is also sometimes pronounced "Baal Zebel". > Okay, in my Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary "Beelzebub" is defined as a > Philistine god, literally "lord of flies" In my King James Bible, in the > footnote for Matthew 10:25, it also states that beelzebub was also known as > "the lord of flies" and "the prince of demons". > None of this came from saturday morning cartoons! Why would you assume such > a thing? > You have 5 more verses? I have 13 more respected biblical scholars! > I did however misspell beelzebub and I thank you for the correction. > > YMHOS, Frank > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #68 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.