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hist_text-digest        Thursday, May 14 1998        Volume 01 : Number 067




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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:37:30 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives

Hi,
 Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide glue???? Think of
that next time you dig into your Jello!!
Dennis Miles AMM#1622
Double Edge Forge

Sickler, Louis L wrote:

> Ho the List:
>
> In response to John Fleming's inquiry about animal hide glue, I found a
> commercial source that might be of interest to those unable / not willing to
> make their own. It is
>
> Moscow Hide & Fur
> 208-882-0601
> www.hideandfur.com
>
> They sell 5 oz bags for $6.00 each, with instructions for use.
>
> I haven't tried it, but my order goes in today.
>
> YMHOS,
> Red Coyote

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Date: 12 May 98 19:11:04 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys,,

Small disagreement - Bugs Boys was from the term the Devil's Sons.  Can't
remember where I read it, a long time ago.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

Nauga Mok wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-11 14:57:22 EDT, you write:
>
><< "Crows??"  "Bugs Boys?"
>
>Nope -- Blackfoot.
>
>< What's that all about.  Never heard of 'em. >>
>
>Supposedly either Hudson Bay or Northwest was paying the Blackfoot to
raid,
>pillage, & generaly harass the American trading companies & free
trappers in
>the northern Rockies.  The main thought behind this was the U.S. claim
on this
>territory wasn't realy secure & if it could be brought under the control
of
>H.B. or NW, it gave England a better chance to shift the Canadian border
>farther South.  One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed
>"Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes.  Not
sure
>if this aledged practice was in fact being carried on, but the term has
>somehow stuck.  Then again, it coulda come from some writer's
imagination,
>'cuz I've never seen it used in a first hand account.
>
>NM
>
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:15:44 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys,,

At 07:11 PM 5/12/98 +0000, Don Keas wrote:
>Small disagreement - Bugs Boys was from the term the Devil's Sons.  Can't
>remember where I read it, a long time ago.
>

>From "River of the West" - Joe Meek's story as told to Frances Fuller Victor:

 "The Blackfeet were the tribe most dreaded in the Rocky Mountains, and
   went by the name of " Bugs Boys," which rendered into good English,
   meant "the devil's own.""


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Dean Rudy   AMM#1530     Email: [e-mail]
Park City, Utah          WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:25:42 -0500
From: "Scott Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives

You wrote:
 Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide
glue????


Dennis,

How would you prepare the Knox for using it as glue?


Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
Fairplay, MD
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:25:40 -0700
From: Dale Nelson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys

Nauga Mok wrote:
>
> One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed
> "Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes.

Bugs Boys is short for Belzebub or Beezelbub's boys -- I can't remember
the spelling -- it stands for Satan or the Devil and comes from the
Bible.  Bernard DeVoto in "Across the Wide Missouri."
        Dale Nelson      [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:26:16 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives

Scott,
Heat a small amount of water to boiling and add the gelitan until the
desired consistancy is aquired. Careful, too much and you will quickly
have a unuseable gelatinious glob. I have used it in a somewhat thin
mixture to seal & set sinew. When it dries it is rock hard. In a thick
solution, it will dry to the cosistancy of hard rubber. Remember, it is
water resistant,  NOT waterproof.  I now just use hide glue in my knives
that I make, mainly because while I am boiling it, people stay out of my
shop and leave me alone.<G>
Dennis
Scott Allen wrote:

> You wrote:
>  Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide
> glue????
>
> Dennis,
>
> How would you prepare the Knox for using it as glue?
>
> Your most humble servant,
> Scott Allen
> Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
> Fairplay, MD
> http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:07:04 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives

Scott,

I have used Knox for glue and for film and stage makeup. By varying the
amount of hot water you can have a varitey of consistancies. I use more hot
water than Knox for a light glue. Mixing a small amount of hot water with a
pkg of gelentin and adding red, blue and yellow food coloring makes for
some great stage makeup
Joe

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:39:20 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver Club

Just got my copy of Muzzleloader today, and I have to say that Jim Hardee
did a fine job with article on the Beaver Club, a Montreal-based
organization of retired wintering partners from the North West Company. As
usual, I have to add my two cents.

A year ago, three of us had the opportunity to see some real Beaver Club
medals. The real ones (called 'jewels') are significantly different from the
reproductions. They are engraved on gold, rather than molded from brass. The
royal blue ribbon is the same, but there is no bar on the top like that on
the reproduction medals. (My husband suspects they were simply pinned on
with a straight pin, like some military medals.) There are five or possibly
six surviving Beaver Club medals. The David David medal is, I assume, in
private hands, but the others are in museums. The McCord Museum in Montreal
holds the medals of James McGill and Nicholas Montour, but the best place to
go is Calgary's Glenbow Museum (aka Glenbow-Alberta Institute). They have,
IIRC, three of them: William McGillivray's (accession no. R292.2.11), Ignace
Giasson's (accession no. R292.2.11), and I seem to recall that a third medal
came out, to our surprise, along with the other two. Unfortunately, my notes
on this aren't close to hand.

Giasson's is in absolutely pristine condition--the curators told us that the
story is he only went to one meeting! McGillivray's, not surprisingly, is
fairly worn. These medals are not on public display at the Glenbow, but,
once we discovered they existed, we had relatively little difficulty getting
to see them (knowing the accession numbers helped!).

Some other prominent fur traders who belonged to the Beaver Club were
Patrick Small (father-in-law to David Thompson and John Macdonald of Garth,
and partner to Peter Pond, IIRC); Sir Alexander Mackenze (leader of the
first expedition to reach the Pacific by land, in 1793); also Charles
Chaboillez Sr., Peter Pangman, Pierre Rastel de Rocheblave, and Cuthbert
Grant Sr. I believe George Simpson was given a special honorary membership
and medal after 1821.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:39:35 -0700
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys

"Belzebub" means lord of the flys!

Medicine Bear

Dale Nelson wrote:

> Nauga Mok wrote:
> >
> > One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed
> > "Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes.
>
> Bugs Boys is short for Belzebub or Beezelbub's boys -- I can't remember
> the spelling -- it stands for Satan or the Devil and comes from the
> Bible.  Bernard DeVoto in "Across the Wide Missouri."
>                 Dale Nelson      [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:33:16 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Richard D Heyen)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Adhesives

Horse Hide. Prime ingredient for centuries. Fraid I don't know the
details.

Drew Heyen
[e-mail]
Phone-[phone]

On Sun, 10 May 1998 20:39:38 EDT JFLEMYTH <[e-mail]> writes:
>Hello the net!
>
>Sorry, but I am bringing out another question here.  It seems I have a
>real
>talent to get some almost too lively discussion going on the list, but
>I think
>I'm safe this time.
>
>My wife teaches school, and is always trying to do projects based on
>18th and
>19th century tools and technology.  Does any body have any old
>recepies for
>adhesives or know some prime ingredients used in them?  She has
>recepies for
>making soaps, dies, and other things, but not glues.
>
>Any imput would be appreciated.  (Even things that are not totally
>period
>correct may help with simple projects for children.)  Again, thanks
>for all
>this list teaches all us pilgrims!
>
>John Fleming
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:51:03 EDT
From: MCKEE N H <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flint and steel

I would like a copy of the flint striker article.

Thanks
Neil

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:09:54 -0700
From: Dale Nelson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys

Frank wrote:
>
> "Belzebub" means lord of the flys!

King James Version of the Bible:

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast
out devils, but by BEELZEBUB the prince of the devils.

Luke 11:15
But some of them said, He casteth out devils through BEELZEBUB the chief
of the devils.

I have 5 more verses if you are interested.  Again, according to Bernard
DeVoto, historian emeritis, in the book "Across the Wide Missouri" --
"Bugs Boys is derived from BEELZEBUB."

"Lord of the Flies" -- you've got to be kidding, remember Saturday
morning cartoons aren't history.
            Dale Nelson      [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:55:15 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Ruxton

The latest addition to the "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade" web site is
the complete text of George Frederick Ruxton's "Wild Life in the Rocky
Mountains"
http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/ruxton.html

Ruxton was an English traveller who undertook a journey from Mexico north
into what is now the western US.  In 1846, he proceeded from El Paso to
Santa Fe, then Taos, and Bent's Fort.  He spent the winter with trappers
near Bayou Salade, and the next spring took the Santa Fe trail back to St
Louis and England.

He wrote two books related to this trip - one, "Life in the Far West" is a
novel based on the stories the trappers related to him.  The other is a
factual narrative of his travels.  It has often been published in two
volumes - one covering his time in old Mexico, the other his Rocky
Mountain experiences.  The edition now on-line covers the Rocky
Mountain portion of his journey, and includes his interactions with the
trappers in New Mexico and Colorado.  It is a useful source for the
history of the "mountain men" in that region in the mid 1840's.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:40:27 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: shooting targets

Our local club is looking for novelty paper targets. You know the type that
have V's, wasps, ground hog, bottles, etc. Is there a web site? I have
quite a few but are always looking for more. I can photo copy mine and
trade.
Thanks
Joe

By the way, we are finishing quite a few buffalo robes. Full hides and
halves if anyone is interested. Lots of deer and elk rawhide completed
also.

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:27:36 EDT
From: DFalat <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: 1803 Harper's Ferry Rifle

How can I learn more about the 1803 Harper's Ferry rifle that was issued to
the Lews and Clark expedition?  I am an 1812 reenactor who is very much
interested in learning all I can about this rifle.

Thanks

[e-mail]

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