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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:13:38 -0400
From: [e-mail] (charles l chalk)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermont

Jim,
The Shelburne Museum, which is a fair museum of life in the lake shore
area, is worth the trip. If you can get across the lake to Ft.
Ticonderoga NY, you will not be dissapointed.
Charles Chalk
Merrimack, N.H. 03054


On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:26:40 -0500 Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]> writes:
>I will be spending the next week in Burlington, Vermont.  Any ideas on
>some must sees up there?
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:36:19 EDT
From: CT OAKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Man of the Cloth

In a message dated 98-04-28 13:20:55 EDT, you write:

<<  Ohio Hempery. They have a website, but I
 forget the url >>

Ohio Hempery is:   http://www.hempery.com
small charge for samples but nice fabric choices.

Another good source (and somewhat less pricey) is Hemp Traders, 2130 Colby
Ave. #1, Los Angeles, Ca 90025.  They are an importer/wholesaler and will sell
small pieces.

George Washinton grew hemp for fiber.  Hemp fiber was used in sails (it is rot
resistant), canvas for tents and my wife has found it listed as the fabric
used in "the common mans" breeches in the late 1700's in upstate NY history.
Just picked up a few yards for some shirts as it is extremely durable and soft
on the skin.  Bought mine at the Ft. Federick trade fair for $9 per yard 60"
wide.

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:36:21 EDT
From: CT OAKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermont

In a message dated 98-04-29 09:27:26 EDT, you write:

<<
 I will be spending the next week in Burlington, Vermont.  Any ideas on
 some must sees up there?

 Jim
  >>

Ft. Ticonderoga first and formost, it is just a short drive from Burlington
and should not be missed.  To bad you are going next week and not the
following, on May 16th an 17th they will be hosting the War College, a truely
great indepth study of the French and Indian War.

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:24:23 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope & twine (was:  (Man of the) Cloth)

Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>How close would todays "bailer" twine be to the twine used by the early
>fur traders?
Jim, I haven't the foggiest. The twine is described in a number of ways:
"Hambro line", "Holland twine", "net thread", and "sturgeon twine" are some
I've found. I also have a reference to horsehair line, but this was less
common the others.

Blue Rider <[e-mail]> wrote:
>As far as I know, sisal didn't  (and doesn't) grow here in the Sandwich
>Islands.  I have a a strong feeling this rope would have been made of
>sennet, the cordage made of the fibers of the inner husk of the coconut
>fruit.
Blue, thanks a lot for setting me straight on the "Sandwich Islands rope".
If sisal isn't a species native to Hawaii, then that would clinch it-- the
reference is from Astoria, c. 1814.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:25:02 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (Man of the) Cloth

"Ken YellowFeather" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Do you have any thing like this on
> the goods taken to the rendezvous in the American west? Or any data on
> cotton goods sold at the various western trading posts? Esp. with
> descriptions as good as the ones you just posted?

Sorry, no. I try very hard to concentrate on the Canadian fur trade,
1774-1821--that's how I'm able to build up this information. But this sort
of research is really quite easy, if you're doing the reading anyhow.
Whenever I read something related to my field, I use a half-dozen ruled
3"X5" index cards as my bookmark, and keep a pen handy. Then, if I read
something interesting or useful, I write it down on an index card. On the
top corner, I make a note about the subject (for example, TRADE
GOODS--CLOTHING) and on the bottom, I make a short note about where it came
from (e.g. Johnson, 317). The first time I make a note from any book, I make
a card for the book, giving author, title, publisher, ISBN, etc., so that
later I can figure out what book "Johnson" was. Finished cards go into a
recipe box, sorted by subject.

I didn't invent this system, but it sure works for me. Although it sounds
like a pain in the butt, and it sure slows down my reading at times, it
really helps me to keep my facts straight. Some people can remember
everything they read, but I find that I need my notes to help keep me honest.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:09:13 -0600
From: "Ron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Precarved Stocks for T/C

Does anyone know where I can buy precarved stocks for a T/C Renegade?
95% - 98% inletted. I want more drop at the heel. Full or half stocks OK.

Thanks, Ron


Email <[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:13:49 -0500
From: "YellowFeather" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: button front trousers

Anyone on the list know when trousers were first made with a button fly
similar to today's trousers? I know they had them by 1860, any earlier?
YF

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:18:33 -0500
From: "YellowFeather" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: mocs

Need a supplier who has Apache or Navaho style mocs with the white rawhide
soles. ( Not the Tandy junk " apache stuff) SW indian made.
Thanks,
YF

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:44:01 -0500
From: "YellowFeather" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Marsailles vest

Anyone of you clothing experts know what a Marsailles vest is? It is listed
in the 1835 trade goods list.
Thanks,
YF

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:33:28 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Precarved Stocks for T/C

Ron
You asked if there was a source for precarved TC stocks.
Back in the 70's when I got my first front stuffer it happened to be a
50cal. TC. I soon found that it had too much wood on it and didn't have
enough drop in the stock to be an easy to shoot gun. My friend Tom Crooks
helped me carve away a couple pounds of wood and put me on to the idea of
steaming the wrist to get more drop in the stock and even put a bit of
cast-off like good English shot guns have.

If you are interested, the process is quit simple and takes no great amount
of gear to accomplish.

Since you are willing to redue a new stock any way, I say go ahead and take
your files and rasps to the stock you have and thin it down to more pleasing
lines. Once that is done you can make a sleave of tin can with a fitting
that will accept a piece of garden hose and with it slit so it may be wraped
around the wrist of your gun. Fit this sleave over the wrist of your stock
with the gun assembled (this is for strength).

Take the other end of the hose and fit it to a tin funnel that will fit over
a coffee can or other similar water container. Your gun and stock should be
clamped in a vice in a normal horizontal position right side up. Tape the
sleave on the wrist with duck tape so very little steam can excape and with
water in your lower container, tape the funnel to the water can and place on
a stove or heat source. The next step is to hang a weight from the butt of
the stock such that it will pull the stock down as the steam heats the wrist
to a plastic state. You can put some cast-off in the stock at the same time
by making a similar arraingement for a weight to pull the stock to the
right.

You must use a fairly heavy weight to get the stock to move. I think I used
a 5 or 10 pound block of lead when I did it. If you use a piece of wire to
hang the weight and put a landing under the weight to limit how much it can
come down, you can make the process almost automatic.

The heating process takes a bit of time so do this on a Sat. morning so you
don't get caught by "lights out". I guess you could plan on 1 to 3 or 4 hrs.
Probably faster than I remember. Any way what have you got to loose? You may
experience some discoloration of the stock but it won't be bad and is easy
to stain over.

Finally, When the stock has dropped as much as you want just let everything
cool over night and give the stock a day more to dry before you do anything
more.

So...No guts no glory! Good luck! Any questions? Go for it!
P.S. I did this to a Charlleville Musket with excelent results a number of
years latter too!

Your most obedient servent
"Capt." Lahti
- -----Original Message-----

From: Ron <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 12:13 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Precarved Stocks for T/C


>>

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Date: 30 Apr 98 19:56:44 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: St. Louis Fur Trading

Would you have any info on the Bent girl aged 13 when she married Zan
Hicklen?  Can't remember her first name, but it was something like Beth.  I
guess she was a decendant probably of Charles since she had a Spanish last
name.  Thanks

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

EmmaPeel2 wrote:
>Thanks!!  I am doing research for the St. Vrain family (Bent St. Vrain
>company, Bent's Fort, etc) - have many of their original documents. Neat
>stuff.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:18:04 -0600
From: "Scott Singer - \"Spinner\"" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Precarved Stocks for T/C

Ron,
Track of the Wolf sells pre-inlet stocks for T/C Hawkens (full or half
stock, maple or walnut). These are for barrels that are 15/16" across the
flats, I believe the Renegade barrel is 1".  Prices are between $105 and
$165.
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WWW Rendezvous Web Site:
     http://www.geocities.com/~wwwrendezvous
Territorial Dispatch/National Association of Buckskinners Web Site
     http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/4833
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Ron <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Precarved Stocks for T/C


>Does anyone know where I can buy precarved stocks for a T/C Renegade?
>95% - 98% inletted. I want more drop at the heel. Full or half stocks OK.
>
>Thanks, Ron
>
>
>Email <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:06 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: St. Louis Fur Trading

I would be interested in any documents that discuss the Bent family indian
ties. I have been researching that side of the family for several years. M.
Branson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: St. Louis Fur Trading


>Would you have any info on the Bent girl aged 13 when she married Zan
>Hicklen?  Can't remember her first name, but it was something like Beth.  I
>guess she was a decendant probably of Charles since she had a Spanish last
>name.  Thanks
>
>DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY
>
>EmmaPeel2 wrote:
>>Thanks!!  I am doing research for the St. Vrain family (Bent St. Vrain
>>company, Bent's Fort, etc) - have many of their original documents. Neat
>>stuff.
>>
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:07:30 EDT
From: EmmaPeel2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: St. Louis Fur Trading

Gee wish I did have something about the 13-year old Bent child!  Unfortunately
I just  have 460 St. Vrain descendants!  However I will definately keep on the
lookout.  You might want to contact:

[e-mail]

as he is investigating the Bent family.  Gee, wouldn't it be fantastic if the
Bent and St. Vrain families could get together at Bent's Fort for a 150 year
reunion!!! :) LOts of St, Vrain descendents in New Mexico and Colorado..a few
sprinkled in CA, one in Florida. They all seem intriuged by the gutsiness of
their ancestors.  I just work for em, but frankly, I am amazed as well.  My
big regret is that I cannot meet them in person!

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:07:13 -0700
From: "P.D. Amschler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mocs


- ---
[e-mail]
>Need a supplier who has Apache or Navaho style mocs with the white rawhide
>soles. ( Not the Tandy junk " apache stuff) SW indian made.
>Thanks,
>YF


    There is a store on the Navajo Reservation both in Window Rock and Chinle I will try and get the address for you.

Paul


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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:15:44 -0700
From: "P.D. Amschler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

    Over the past few months I have learnd a lot from this list and I send out my thanks to all. But alass I have more questions.

    I am trying to put together a smoothbore a 62cal/20 gage trade rifle in a flint lock. Do any of you have any cataloge address' or other sources? I have Dixie and a old mountain states cataloges but that is it.

Thanks in advance

Humbly your servent
Paul


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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:16:23 -0700
From: "Gail Carbiener" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Choker.......

To all:
    Did the pre 1840s mountain men wear leather and bead chokers? Can't see
any in Alfred J. Miller's drawings. Wouldn't it be in the way when they were
trapping?

Gail
(The newbeeee duen liven histry)

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:45:21 -0400
From: Addison Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (Man of the) Cloth

Check my web page http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcare/1427.  I have
several books listed there, plus a link to Amazon.com for other publications.
They can find ANY book if it is still in print somewhere.

Addison Miller

Angela Gottfred wrote:

> "Ken YellowFeather" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Do you have any thing like this on
> > the goods taken to the rendezvous in the American west? Or any data on
> > cotton goods sold at the various western trading posts? Esp. with
> > descriptions as good as the ones you just posted?
>
> Sorry, no. I try very hard to concentrate on the Canadian fur trade,
> 1774-1821--that's how I'm able to build up this information. But this sort
> of research is really quite easy, if you're doing the reading anyhow.
> Whenever I read something related to my field, I use a half-dozen ruled
> 3"X5" index cards as my bookmark, and keep a pen handy. Then, if I read
> something interesting or useful, I write it down on an index card. On the
> top corner, I make a note about the subject (for example, TRADE
> GOODS--CLOTHING) and on the bottom, I make a short note about where it came
> from (e.g. Johnson, 317). The first time I make a note from any book, I make
> a card for the book, giving author, title, publisher, ISBN, etc., so that
> later I can figure out what book "Johnson" was. Finished cards go into a
> recipe box, sorted by subject.
>
> I didn't invent this system, but it sure works for me. Although it sounds
> like a pain in the butt, and it sure slows down my reading at times, it
> really helps me to keep my facts straight. Some people can remember
> everything they read, but I find that I need my notes to help keep me honest.
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
> [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:13:28 EDT
From: ThisOldFox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

In a message dated 98-05-01 11:24:00 EDT, you write:

<<     I am trying to put together a smoothbore a 62cal/20 gage trade rifle in a
flint lock. Do any of you have any cataloge address' or other sources? I have
Dixie and a old mountain states cataloges but that is it. >>

Black Powder Shooter and Builder Resources page

http://users.aol.com/canaltwo/bp-parts.htm

99% of resources available

OldFox

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:22:59 EDT
From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

Paul and the rest of the list, check this out:
http://users.aol.com/canaltwo/bp-parts.htm.  This is about the best resource
I've seen for parts 'n stuff.

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:26:51 EDT
From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choker.......

Gail, Although there were chokers and breastplates,  used more for protection
than decor, it seems the use of bonepipe, as we see at rendezvous today,
didn't come into being until MUCH later. People I have talked to tell me its
not correct for the pre-1840 period.

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:17:09 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

Paul
You might try " Track of the Wolf, Inc. P. O. Box 6, Osseo, Minnesota
55369-0006 or www.track0fthewolf.com or 612-424-2500. They have quit a
selection of barrels and gun parts plus kits like you are looking for.

Capt. Lahti
- -----Original Message-----
From: P.D. Amschler <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 8:22 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels


>

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:48:50 EDT
From: CT OAKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

In a message dated 98-05-01 11:24:00 EDT, you write:

<<     I am trying to put together a smoothbore a 62cal/20 gage trade rifle in a
flint lock. Do any of you have any cataloge address' or other sources? I have
Dixie and a old mountain states cataloges but that is it.

 Thanks in advance

 Humbly your servent
 Paul
  >>

Track of the Wolfe, PO Box 6, Osseo, Mn 55369-0006 cataloge is $7

Pecatonica River Long Rifle Supply Co, PO Box 2791, Rockford Ill 61132 catalog
$3

Vernon C. Davis & Co, 6901 Running Deer Pl., Dept MB, Dublin Oh 43017 catalog
$1

Golden Age Arms Co. 115 E. High St., Box 366, Ashley, Oh 43003

If you can't get what you want from one of these you don't need it.

Your humble servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Fri, 01 May 98 13:07:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

Paul,
Here are a couple of on-line sources for you.

Jim Chambers FLintlocks
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8990/

JP Gunstocks
http://jpgunstocks.com/

Log Cabin Shop
http://www.logcabinshop.com/

Good luck,
Bruce McNeal


- -----Original Message-----
From:     <[e-mail]> at ##internet
Sent:     Friday, May 01, 1998 8:15 AM
To:     [e-mail] at ##Internet
Subject:     MtMan-List: Smoothbore barrels

        Over the past few months I have learnd a lot from this list and I send
out my thanks to all. But alass I have more questions.

        I am trying to put together a smoothbore a 62cal/20 gage trade rifle in
a flint lock. Do any of you have any cataloge address' or other sources? I have
Dixie and a old mountain states cataloges but that is it.

Thanks in advance

Humbly your servent
Paul


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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:27:23 -0500
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: smooth bore barrels

Paul,

I'm glad I'm not the only one with the itch to build a smooth rifle. I
think the they were a lot more common, in the 18th and early 19th century,
than most people realize. I recently orderd a smooth bore barrel from Jerry
Cuningham at ORION RIFLE BARREL CO. RR2, COBBLER VILLAGE ROAD- KALISPELL,
MT.59901 I don't know if he has a e-mail address, but his business phone #
is  409-257-5649. Good luck. Happy hunting.

Pendleton

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:57:33 EDT
From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California Primitive Rendezvous - Kernville

I was wondering if anyone on this list would tell me about your  experience at
the June rendezvous in Kernville.  Lookin' for a new one, thought this might
be it.  YHS,   PJ

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:22:38 -0700
From: "The Windhams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California Primitive Rendezvous - Kernville

The Kernville rondi is a good one !!!  I was at it last year for the day (
my work schedule messed me up )
but from what I saw , they were off to a good start. theres a fishing creek
about a good 1000' off to one side of the in-campment area, where the kids
played aand fished in fact as I recalled they held a fishing contest for
the kids. and they had to fish the old way( cane pole ) they had a good
turn out for being the first year, infact I plan to go this year aand stay
. All the close friends who were there said they really injoyed themselfs
and are planing to return. but it is a long drive back in them woods!
hope to see you there !
Rick
http://www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html

- ----------
> From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California Primitive Rendezvous - Kernville
> Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 6:57 PM
>
> I was wondering if anyone on this list would tell me about your
experience at
> the June rendezvous in Kernville.  Lookin' for a new one, thought this
might
> be it.  YHS,   PJ
>

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 22:42:35 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: button front trousers

Y/F;
You asked Thur. 30 April how far back button fly trousers go.
From what I have been able to find and what I've seen in contemporary
paintings of the early 1800's, button fly trousers are not in fashion much
before the mid 1800's, much too late for the Rocky Mt. Fur Trade. I do know
that the French used a button front fly much earlier but during the period
of time we are interested, the prevelant English and American fashion was
the drop front fly with two buttons at the top corners of a large to
moderate rectangular fly.

The french fly would be OK only if the garment is of the proper cut i.e,
britches or pantaloons (coveralls), no bib intended.  I am not sure whether
the pants and britches worn by the early mt. man had a laceup back but I
would suspect so and that is the easiest way to make them.

By the by if you are concerned about authenticity you might want to stear
away from wearing so called Navaho moc's with the rawhide soles. They are
not correct for the rendezvous era but rather came into use quit recently,
not to say that SW Indians didn't make moc's with rawhide soles but they did
not look much like whats available today.

It is not hard to make moc's with thick soles that are correct. They do not
have to be side seam either as several different types of moc were worn by
the frontiersman in the Rocky's and farther east.

I wish some one would find the info you requested on that frenchy vest. I
bet it was rather short and of fine material such as brochade or such. Them
Frogs did like to put on the fuferau!

Hope this was of help to you in your journey. From one Pilgrim to another,
I'm ,,,
YMOS
Capt. Lahti
- -----Original Message-----
From: YellowFeather <[e-mail]>
To: Mtn. Man <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 7:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: button front trousers


>Anyone on the list know when trousers were first made with a button fly
>similar to today's trousers? I know they had them by 1860, any earlier?
>YF
>

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:55:25 EDT
From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee

just wish one time to go to one like that . canada has always held some kind
of magic for me . it seems like the moon to me .i mean so far away. wekcome to
the list.
                                                         iron tounge

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:55:24 EDT
From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Camp Gear, Tents & Cookware

would like to get e mail from you any time . thanks for the tid bits of
information

                                                                       iron
toung that walks

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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 07:11:05 -0400
From: darlene <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: button front trousers

The French had them in the mid 1700's. The were knee breeches and also they
had the lace back.  It was very similar to the drop front knee breeches
that were being worn.
Hope this helps you.

Respectfully
Darlene
At 09:13 PM 4/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone on the list know when trousers were first made with a button fly
>similar to today's trousers? I know they had them by 1860, any earlier?
>YF
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:27:21 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting agave

concur with the pepe lopez- as almost not fit to drink, dont recomend
trying the over the log drink with this stuff.  bad side effects.

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:37:22 -1000 Blue Rider <[e-mail]> writes:
>ITWHEELER wrote:
>>
>> blue  i had some of that coffe one time never forget the taste. they
>> have a
>> watered down version hear in the states. tasts like studd horse piss
>> with the
>> foam farted offthanks blue                   iron tounge
>
>
>  LOL! Boy, aint that the truth.  Pure Kona coffee is wonderful; it's
>when they start blending it with other stuff, it goes to hell.  In
>most
>blends, they *brag* about having 10% Kona.  Go figger.
>
>Recently tried some tequila that tasted the same.  If anybody offer
>you
>Pepe Lopez, RUN!!
>
>Blue
>
>

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