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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:25:45 -0500
From: "Pamela Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups

You just said a mouthful iron tounge! I have noticed the same problem with
storm chasers on the net as well. Just big mouthed wannabees!
YellowFeather
AMM # 251

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> From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups
> Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:50 PM
>
> most of these so called mountian men do it all on the computer and
probabaly
> wount answer your e-m lots of luck.
>                                             iron tounge

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:05:54 EDT
From: Traphand <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee

Kirsten,

        I think somehow you got the wrong idea about coffee.   Try using a
cast iron skillet.   The popcorn popper will not work.   The oil will come
from the bean, no oil should be added .   The reasoning for the cast iron is
that is slowly cooks at an even heat.    Use a slow heat.

        The bean will slowly turn brown as it is roasted.

        If you don't have cast iron,  use the heaviest skillet you have at the
LOWEST heat.

        Test it first with a few beans till you feel confident about what you
are doing.
The browned bean (after cooled)  can be inserted into your mouth and will have
a
strong coffee flavor.    Don't suck too long you'll have a coffee HIGH!!

        Questions?    E-M me privately.

Traphand
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:07:47 EDT
From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups

Funny, it seems the negative comments about wannabees and people not
responding to e-mails is coming from those that are here, on their computers,
writing e-mail darn near EVERY day. Did you guys out there makin' negative
comments about others in this group ever stop to think some of us are actually
out living our history and may not have had a chance to read, much less
respond, to your stuff?  Take it easy, guys, this really isnt a place to be
hostile, or sellin' your stuff for that matter; we're all here to learn from
each other, pilgrim and booshway alike.  YMHOS     PJ

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:22:26 EDT
From: RR1LA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee

Traphand is right on the money - slow roasting is the key, and the properly
finished bean, with an oily glaze, when you chomp on it, will smell and taste
almost exactly like the finished cup of coffee.   also wanted to add, it seems
the best camp coffee i've ever had is NEVER boiled, but brought right to the
edge of a boil then removed from the fire.   PJ

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:21:30 -1000
From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee

RR1LA wrote:
>
> Traphand is right on the money - slow roasting is the key, and the
> properly
> finished bean, with an oily glaze, when you chomp on it, will smell
> and taste
> almost exactly like the finished cup of coffee.   also wanted to add,
> it seems
> the best camp coffee i've ever had is NEVER boiled, but brought right
> to the
> edge of a boil then removed from the fire.   PJ


  That is a good way to make "cowboy" coffee.  Look, I grew up in Texas.
  Here's my way to make real good coffee.  Bring the water to a rolling
boil, take it off the fire and put in however much coffee you like, stir
it once or twice and *Leave It Alone* for 5 minutes.  By the clock if
you have one.  Swirl about half a cup of cold water in to settle the
grounds and pour as soon as they are settled.  Makes a clear, strong,
really good coffee.  Made with fresh-roasted and  -ground beans, it'll
jolt you right up.

Aloha,
Blue

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:47:04 GMT
From: [e-mail] (PHIL PETERSEN)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups

Thank you.  I was thinking the same thing.

Phil

>Funny, it seems the negative comments about wannabees and people not
>responding to e-mails is coming from those that are here, on their computers,
>writing e-mail darn near EVERY day. Did you guys out there makin' negative
>comments about others in this group ever stop to think some of us are actually
>out living our history and may not have had a chance to read, much less
>respond, to your stuff?  Take it easy, guys, this really isnt a place to be
>hostile, or sellin' your stuff for that matter; we're all here to learn from
>each other, pilgrim and booshway alike.  YMHOS     PJ
>
>

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:29:17 EDT
From: Casapy123 <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: History Institue focused on the fur trade

On the weekend of April 23 - 25, 1999, the Jedediah Smith Society will be
sponsoring  a symposium called, "Jedediah Smith and the Fur Trade Era."  The
call for papers has gone out.  Proposal deadline is November 15, 1998.  It
will be held at the University of the Pacific in Stockton, CA.

The symposium celebrates the 200th anniversary of the birthday of Jed Smith
and will make a criticla ssessment of his career and importance as a fur
trader and explorer.  It will also discuss the importance of the fur trade and
its impact on the nation with emphasis on California.

Put the date on your calendar now.  If you want a copy of the call for papers,
let me know and I'll see you get one.  If you want more information on the
Jedediah Smith Society, I can see that they send your a brochure as well.  You
might want to jon that organization.

Jim Hardee  AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (w)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:25:08 -0700
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Okay, I give up.  How do you ballance that cotton picken' bean on the
stick?  I've been up all night and have dropped all my beans in the
fire!  Man, it's tuff being a greenhorn!!!

> ITWHEELER wrote:
> >
> > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
> > willow stick.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:37:31 -0700
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

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Is this the way the old Mt Men talked, and wrote?  Or have I missed
something.   I prefer the new English.  I have read lots old Journals and
have never had a hard time figuring out what they wrote.  I know Lewis and
Clark were not good at spelling.  But if this way of writing is not a joke
I'm sorry.  But if it is, it's hard to read.

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: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
: Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:56 PM
:
: ITWHEELER wrote:
: >
: > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
: > willow
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:   How many willow sticks does hit take to git one cup of coffee?
:
:   Blue
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:30:09 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Jon,
 Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
Dennis Miles
Ohio

JON P TOWNS wrote:

> Is this the way the old Mt Men talked, and wrote?  Or have I missed
> something.   I prefer the new English.  I have read lots old Journals
> and have never had a hard time figuring out what they wrote.  I know
> Lewis and Clark were not good at spelling.  But if this way of writing
> is not a joke I'm sorry.  But if it is, it's hard to read.
>
> ----------
> : From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
> : To: [e-mail]
> : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
> : Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:56 PM
> :
> : ITWHEELER wrote:
> : >
> : > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
> : > willow
> : > stick.
> :
> :
> :
> :   How many willow sticks does hit take to git one cup of coffee?
> :
> :   Blue

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:07:07 -1000
From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Frank wrote:
>
> Okay, I give up.  How do you ballance that cotton picken' bean on the
> stick?  I've been up all night and have dropped all my beans in the
> fire!  Man, it's tuff being a greenhorn!!!

> > >Well, see, son, what he ain't tellin'
 you is that he cheats!
 He puts these leetle teeniny arraheads on the end of the stick and
kindly screws them into the coffee bean when ain't nobody lookin'.  No
durn wonder he's good at it.  Been practicin' fer risin' a hunert years,
he has.  The stinker!  And us dumb enuf to fall fer hit.

 Dang!
  Blue

Come on, IT! Yer turn.  (Are you sure yer name wadn't Bridger back there
somewheres??)

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:21:19 -1000
From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

JON P TOWNS wrote:
>
> Is this the way the old Mt Men talked, and wrote?  Or have I missed
> something.   I prefer the new English.  I have read lots old Journals
> and have never had a hard time figuring out what they wrote.  I know
> Lewis and Clark were not good at spelling.  But if this way of writing
> is not a joke I'm sorry.  But if it is, it's hard to read.
>
> ----------
> : From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
> : To: [e-mail]
> : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
> : Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:56 PM
> :
> : ITWHEELER wrote:
> : >
> : > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
> : > willow
> : > stick.
> :
> :
> :
> :   How many willow sticks does hit take to git one cup of coffee?
> :
> :   Blue



  You've just been in town too long, that's all.  I've noticed that is
generally quite a difference between the way people talk and the way
they write.  One seems to try to be more formal and "correct" on paper,
I think.  And when talking, just let 'er fly.  The Mt. Men really did
talk a lot like this, only a whole lot worse.  They had a whole other
language they used among themselves out in the Bush;  I've found that
exclusive groups of people, who think well of themselves and less of
others  (particularly Flatlanders, in this case)  tend to develop their
own pidgin, as it sets them off from the norm.  One thing those old boys
did not lack was self-esteem, and who could blame them?  If you find it
hard to read, and I can understand that, try approaching it as a foreign
language that you about half know.  At least it's all English of a sort.
Here we do it for fun and to identify with people whom we honor.
Actually, this is nothin'.  Take a look at some of the books if you want
to see how the Mt.Men really talked between themselves.  Try Vardis
Fisher's "Mountain Man", based loosely on the life of John Johnston, aka
Liver-eatin' Johnston.  It may not be totally historically accurate, but
it's a hell of a good read and will give you some idea of what these ole
boys were really like.
Hang in there, brother!  You doubtless learn to love it.

 Watch yer hair,

  Blue

PS.  Lewis and Clark were incredible men, but they were not Mt.Men.
They were explorers, not trappers.  BIG difference!

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:44:31 -0500
From: "Pamela Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

So some people can not spell, so why make a big deal out of it? Like YOU
said, Lewis and Clark could not spell very well either. How many of the
mountain men were able to read and write at all? I seem to recall that some
signed documents with their "mark".  BTW...you don't have to read it.
YellowFeather


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From: JON P TOWNS <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 8:37 AM

Is this the way the old Mt Men talked, and wrote?  Or have I missed
something.   I prefer the new English.  I have read lots old Journals and
have never had a hard time figuring out what they wrote.  I know Lewis and
Clark were not good at spelling.  But if this way of writing is not a joke
I'm sorry.  But if it is, it's hard to read.

- ----------
: From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
: Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:56 PM
:
: ITWHEELER wrote:
: >
: > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
: > willow
: > stick.
:
:
:
:   How many willow sticks does hit take to git one cup of coffee?
:
:   Blue

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:35:28 -1000
From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Dennis Miles wrote:
>
> Jon,
>  Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
> Dennis Miles


Hey, what is this?  We don't get to relax and have a good time on this
list anymore?  Look, if y'all want me to, I can sit at this keyboard, or
in person, and reel off about six miles of the most perfect English you
have ever heard, big words and all.  Damme!   Sounds like it's about
time for a real old-fashioned augurin' contest.

Gentlemen, please!  Are you really the kind who is so lazy he can't
learn a little something new?  If this is too hard, how the hell did you
learn to use a computer?  Are you really so stiff you just can't *stand*
it if the people around you like to play sometimes?  Naaah, I don't
believe it!!  Perhaps we have here Mencken's definition of a Puritan--
a man beset by the nagging fear that somewhere someone is having a good
time?

Boys, if this bothers you, you might want to go to a history list or
something of the sort.  I don't want you to, but you seem so unhappy
here.   I certainly don't mean any of this to be flames, or rudeness, or
anything of that nature.  Sometimes when something strikes me kind of
hard, I am perhaps more blunt than is polite.  Please take it for what
it's worth;  you have the right to holler just like I do.  If I've upset
you too much, maybe it'd be better thrashed out off the list.

  I only ask you to think it over.

  My best to you
  Blue

  PS  Old Iron Tongue can't spell for sour apples, but we love him
anyway.
> > :
> >
> > :
> > :

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:23:35 -0500
From: "Pamela Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Thank you Blue Rider! We all have to put up with wearing a "normal" face
all week long at work. As for old iron tongue you are right and I happen to
like him as is! I knowed thet I wus haven to much on this list an sumbudy
wud has tuh mess wit it! Shucks!
YellerFetder
BTW...Jon, Ien des ies yetesketen, Yolan! Sorry but my keyboard isn't set
for other languages.

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> From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 12:35 AM
>
> Dennis Miles wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >  Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
> > Dennis Miles
>
>
> Hey, what is this?  We don't get to relax and have a good time on this
> list anymore?  Look, if y'all want me to, I can sit at this keyboard, or
> in person, and reel off about six miles of the most perfect English you
> have ever heard, big words and all.  Damme!   Sounds like it's about
> time for a real old-fashioned augurin' contest.
>
> Gentlemen, please!  Are you really the kind who is so lazy he can't
> learn a little something new?  If this is too hard, how the hell did you
> learn to use a computer?  Are you really so stiff you just can't *stand*
> it if the people around you like to play sometimes?  Naaah, I don't
> believe it!!  Perhaps we have here Mencken's definition of a Puritan--
> a man beset by the nagging fear that somewhere someone is having a good
> time?
>
> Boys, if this bothers you, you might want to go to a history list or
> something of the sort.  I don't want you to, but you seem so unhappy
> here.   I certainly don't mean any of this to be flames, or rudeness, or
> anything of that nature.  Sometimes when something strikes me kind of
> hard, I am perhaps more blunt than is polite.  Please take it for what
> it's worth;  you have the right to holler just like I do.  If I've upset
> you too much, maybe it'd be better thrashed out off the list.
>
>   I only ask you to think it over.
>
>   My best to you
>   Blue
>
>   PS  Old Iron Tongue can't spell for sour apples, but we love him
> anyway.
> > > :
> > >
> > > :
> > > :

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:27:45 -0500
From: "Pamela Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

It's simple, all you have to do is take your flint drill and make an
itty-bitty hole in the side of the bean and stick the sharp point into the
hole!
YF

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> From: Frank <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 8:25 AM
>
>
>
> Okay, I give up.  How do you ballance that cotton picken' bean on the
> stick?  I've been up all night and have dropped all my beans in the
> fire!  Man, it's tuff being a greenhorn!!!
>
> > ITWHEELER wrote:
> > >
> > > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
> > > willow stick.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:40:21 EDT
From: CT OAKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Ft Fredrick

My wife and I spent a wonderful weekend at Ft. Frederick 18th Century Market
Fair.  The fort is a French and Indian War stone fort that was
rebuild/restored by the Civilian Conservation Corp during the depression.  The
fort saw action in the French and Indian War, Rev War (housed Britich POW's)
and the Civil War.  The site is realy nice, the event was really well run and
Scott Allen (list member) and his fellow Patuxents deserve a big pat on the
back for a good time, good camp, good shooting, good hawk and knife, good
wood, good music (two hours by candle light in the fort on Sat night) and
clean hooters (even after the public left at 5 PM).  Scott can give the final
attendance numbers but last I heard it was close to 1,500 campers and 250
sutlers.   I can not see this 3 year old event growing much larger (space is
limited) so I would recommend that anyone that wants to go next year pre-
register, and I do recommend the event to one and all.   I know that if we can
arrange the time my wife and I will be there next year.  And Scott it was nice
to meet you and thank you, all the Patuxents, the State Parks people and the
Friends of Fort Frederick for keeping the fort alive and well for all of the
rest of us.  Hope to see you again nest year.


Your Humble and Greatful Servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:40:20 EDT
From: CT OAKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anyone from Canada

In a message dated 98-04-25 10:22:03 EDT, you write:

<<
 Is anyone on the list from Canada (ottawa to be precise) or know of a
 similar list for Ontario or eastern seaboard area?

 many thanks,
 Kirsten a.k.a Medicine Hand

 [e-mail]
  >>

I have not found a list for just eastern seaboard but there are a lot of us
from the eastern sea board on this list.  I'm from across lake Ontario just
outside of Rochester NY our paths may cross some time.  Welcome to the
campfire discussions.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:23:52 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re:  MtMan-List: roasting coffee

Kirsten Smith and Tania Dopler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is anyone on the list from Canada (ottawa to be precise) or know of a
>similar list for Ontario or eastern seaboard area?

Welcome to the list, Kirsten!
I'm from Canada, but I'm in Alberta, so this is probably the only way we'll
meet, with the possible exception of meeting at Old Fort William (Thunder
Bay) during the Great Rendezvous in July--an excellent event, the best
Canadian fur trade event I've attended. I'm part of the Northwest  Brigade
Club, and we concentrate on reenacting the Canadian fur trade, especially
the 1774-1821 era. You may want to check out our club's web site, Northwest
Journal Online, which has a number of online articles for reenactors. It's
at www.telusplanet.net/public/gottfred/nwj.html

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:17:56 -0400
From: Addison Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Gentlemen... Like Blue, I can spout the words fantastic, use very propper
grammer, spell the big words, and do my parents proud with the education
they gave me.  BUT... This is a Mountainman List, and yes, most of the
Mountainmen did talk this way.  Actually, it is MUCH harder to write in the
"Mountainman" verbage than straight English.

Sooo.... I kinda suggest that y'all pull a log up ta tha far, git yerse'f a
cuppa coffe, kick back, ruminate on it, and jus plain enjoy...  'cause it
ain't gonna git no better...  <chuckles>  Now, did ah ever tell ya about
tha time me 'n ol' Liver Eatin' Johnson wuz done snowed in??

SeanBear
aka Addison Miller


Blue Rider wrote:

> Dennis Miles wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >  Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
> > Dennis Miles
>
> Hey, what is this?  We don't get to relax and have a good time on this
> list anymore?  Look, if y'all want me to, I can sit at this keyboard, or
> in person, and reel off about six miles of the most perfect English you
> have ever heard, big words and all.  Damme!   Sounds like it's about
> time for a real old-fashioned augurin' contest.
>
> Gentlemen, please!  Are you really the kind who is so lazy he can't
> learn a little something new?  If this is too hard, how the hell did you
> learn to use a computer?  Are you really so stiff you just can't *stand*
> it if the people around you like to play sometimes?  Naaah, I don't
> believe it!!  Perhaps we have here Mencken's definition of a Puritan--
> a man beset by the nagging fear that somewhere someone is having a good
> time?
>
> Boys, if this bothers you, you might want to go to a history list or
> something of the sort.  I don't want you to, but you seem so unhappy
> here.   I certainly don't mean any of this to be flames, or rudeness, or
> anything of that nature.  Sometimes when something strikes me kind of
> hard, I am perhaps more blunt than is polite.  Please take it for what
> it's worth;  you have the right to holler just like I do.  If I've upset
> you too much, maybe it'd be better thrashed out off the list.
>
>   I only ask you to think it over.
>
>   My best to you
>   Blue
>
>   PS  Old Iron Tongue can't spell for sour apples, but we love him
> anyway.
> > > :
> > >
> > > :
> > > :

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:41:47 EDT
From: Dejawog <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Ft Fredrick

where is Ft. Fredrick???

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:50:54 -0500
From: "Scott Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Ft Fredrick

Fort Frederick is about 16 miles west of Hagerstown, MD and about a
mile south of I-70.


Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
Fairplay, MD
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:56:57 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Communication is the key....communication.  As long as I understand what the
writer is trying to say, it don't make me no nevermind how it is said.
However, we are relying on professional writers of that era to transform
what they heard (or what they were told about) into what they wanted us to
hear.  It is difficult to say that, in fact, the mountain patois they used
in their works is a good rendetition of what they actually heard.
Mountaineers came from all over, bringing with them their own idioms and
dialects.  Maybe they all adopted the mountain dialect they
encountered---maybe not.  My guess is that if they were good men, honest and
courageous, no one chastised them for how they spoke.   For those
interested, a copy of this paragraph and one dollar, American, is good for a
cup of coffee just about anywhere, except in my camp, where you don't need
the dollar..
Lanney Ratcliff
[e-mail]
- -----Original Message-----
From: Addison Miller <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans


>Gentlemen... Like Blue, I can spout the words fantastic, use very propper
>grammer, spell the big words, and do my parents proud with the education
>they gave me.  BUT... This is a Mountainman List, and yes, most of the
>Mountainmen did talk this way.  Actually, it is MUCH harder to write in the
>"Mountainman" verbage than straight English.
>
>Sooo.... I kinda suggest that y'all pull a log up ta tha far, git yerse'f a
>cuppa coffe, kick back, ruminate on it, and jus plain enjoy...  'cause it
>ain't gonna git no better...  <chuckles>  Now, did ah ever tell ya about
>tha time me 'n ol' Liver Eatin' Johnson wuz done snowed in??
>
>SeanBear
>aka Addison Miller
>
>
>Blue Rider wrote:
>
>> Dennis Miles wrote:
>> >
>> > Jon,
>> >  Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
>> > Dennis Miles
>>
>> Hey, what is this?  We don't get to relax and have a good time on this
>> list anymore?  Look, if y'all want me to, I can sit at this keyboard, or
>> in person, and reel off about six miles of the most perfect English you
>> have ever heard, big words and all.  Damme!   Sounds like it's about
>> time for a real old-fashioned augurin' contest.
>>
>> Gentlemen, please!  Are you really the kind who is so lazy he can't
>> learn a little something new?  If this is too hard, how the hell did you
>> learn to use a computer?  Are you really so stiff you just can't *stand*
>> it if the people around you like to play sometimes?  Naaah, I don't
>> believe it!!  Perhaps we have here Mencken's definition of a Puritan--
>> a man beset by the nagging fear that somewhere someone is having a good
>> time?
>>
>> Boys, if this bothers you, you might want to go to a history list or
>> something of the sort.  I don't want you to, but you seem so unhappy
>> here.   I certainly don't mean any of this to be flames, or rudeness, or
>> anything of that nature.  Sometimes when something strikes me kind of
>> hard, I am perhaps more blunt than is polite.  Please take it for what
>> it's worth;  you have the right to holler just like I do.  If I've upset
>> you too much, maybe it'd be better thrashed out off the list.
>>
>>   I only ask you to think it over.
>>
>>   My best to you
>>   Blue
>>
>>   PS  Old Iron Tongue can't spell for sour apples, but we love him
>> anyway.
>> > > :
>> > >
>> > > :
>> > > :
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:29:51 EDT
From: Casapy123 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

Blue Rider

I suppose I'll get along if you and others want to talk like you think a
mountain man might have talked.  However, I agree with the thought that
mountain men who left us their written words wrote in pretty good english.
That doesn't mean they necessarily talked all that proper, but if we're to
emulate them, shouldn't we also write correctly even if we talk in the
vernacular?

Your use of Vardis Fisher's "Mountain Man" doesn't support your case as it is
fiction, even if there is some degree of factual basis.  Provide us with some
better, solid references (and there are a couple but I want you to find them)
and we'll all have no option but to accept your writing without quibble.  This
IS a history list, contrary to what you might want to believe.  Back up what
you say with a proper reference and you can say most anything in most any
manner you want.

Good luck in searching for those references.  If you give up, there will be
others here to help you.  That is what this list is all about.  And, have fun
doing it!

Jim Hardee  AMM #1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:34 EDT
From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

just fooling around to see if you guys were gettin my mail dont get many
replys.
i have got alot of information from youall. but it seems that you doun care to
anser mine. dont know any thing about roasting beens that why they have coffey
stores starbucks
                                                       thanks for ansering my
mail
                                                                iron tounge

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:48:16 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans

I agree,  I get tired of trying to translate this new 20century mtn man
lingo. The old diaries I have studied show the old timers never actually
spoke in such a manner. M. Branson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans


>Jon,
> Thanks for saying that....I hope folks listen.
>Dennis Miles
>Ohio
>
>JON P TOWNS wrote:
>
>> Is this the way the old Mt Men talked, and wrote?  Or have I missed
>> something.   I prefer the new English.  I have read lots old Journals
>> and have never had a hard time figuring out what they wrote.  I know
>> Lewis and Clark were not good at spelling.  But if this way of writing
>> is not a joke I'm sorry.  But if it is, it's hard to read.
>>
>> ----------
>> : From: Blue Rider <[e-mail]>
>> : To: [e-mail]
>> : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: roasting coffee beans
>> : Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:56 PM
>> :
>> : ITWHEELER wrote:
>> : >
>> : > i roast them one at atime too bring out the flaver. i ues  agreen
>> : > willow
>> : > stick.
>> :
>> :
>> :
>> :   How many willow sticks does hit take to git one cup of coffee?
>> :
>> :   Blue
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:53:14 EDT
From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups

thanks man dont want to be clicky but knowalege un shared  is the worst kind
averance

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:59:47 EDT
From: ITWHEELER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on clubs/groups

sorry man just got a bur under under my saddel
                                    iron tounge

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