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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #53 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, April 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 053 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:38:09 EDT From: TetonTod <TetonTod@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver.. Gail, The trappers weren't worried about damaging the skins, as the skin wasn't what was used, but rather the fur was shaved off the skin to be used in making hats. Thin rawhide strips were probably used to hoop the skin to the frame as they didn't have balls of twine laying around. Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:06 -0700 From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@wizzards.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver Pelts Gail Carbiener wrote: > Dumb question department. > How did the mountain men attach their beaver skins to the circular willow > rack without damaging the skins? How long would the skins have remained > Gail Hi Gail, Moscow Hide & Fur has a good selection of tanned hides and I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for. Buy with consideration as to quality as well as to size. To answer your question, the hides were attached to the willow hoops with whatever was available to them at the time. Sinew, green hide lacing ,(from another animal, not the beaver) whangs of buckskin tanned or otherwise, any type of cord material they might have handy. When I make up my beaver on the hoop decorators, I go cut me some red willow shoots about 7 foot long and about the size of my thumb on the bottom end. I peel the bark off, cut each one to about 6 1/2 foot. I take two of them and tie one butt end to the small end of the other, I wrap these tightly with about thirty turns of sinew. I then bend the other two ends together (into a hoop) and do the same, overlaping the ends about 6 to 10 inches depending on the diameter of the beaver hide. Each hoop can be adjusted in this manner. I make up these hoops a few weeks in advance of their actual use. After tanning the well fleshed beaver plews, I use a leather hole punch to place 1/8th inch holes all around the outer edge of the hide, spaced about an 1 1/2" apart and about a 1/2" in from the edge. I sew up the leg holes with senew. The tanned hide is placed on one of my beaver stretchers to dry after tanning. (there is no need to work the hide as you would others, it can dry slightly stiff) A beaver stretcher is a hoop made from 3/8ths. steel rod with a nut welded to one end. The opposite end of the rod hoop is passed through this nut making the hoop adjustable for various size beaver pelts. A metal hose clamp holds the stretcher hoop to the proper diameter while the pelt is drying. Metal "S" hooks are used around the the hoop connecting it to the holes punched in the edge of the hide. It takes about a week here in southwestern Oregon for a typical beaver hide to dry out. When they are dry, I take them off the metal hoop and lace them onto the willow hoop with sinew or buckskin lacing, whichever I have the most of. I hold the empty willow hoop up on my extended arm to see where the balance point is on the hoop, once I see where the bottom weight of the hoop is, I begin lacing the head of the beaver hide at the top of the hoop and lace all the way around the hide until I get back to the head again. This makes the finished project hang properly on a wall. Make sure to keep your lacing loops even, so as not to get the pelt off of center. (it looks horrible) To keep the hide centered while lacing, I pre-lace the hide, tieing it off at eight places around the hoop first, this really works well to keep the pelt centered while lacing. After the pelt is laced onto the willow hoop, start at the head area and with a good hair brush (the beaver won't mind, but the wife might!) start brushing the hair down nice and even from top to bottom. This will really make the pelt look nice. A beaver done up this way looks great on a cabin wall. I sell mine at the Voo's as well as to the local Mountain Resorts, Restaurants, and Antique shops, they love 'em! Hope this helps some Gail, good luck with yours. Regards, _M_ Manywounds W ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:38:11 -0700 From: "Gail Carbiener" <carbg@cmc.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver Pelts Dave: Your instruction sounds a whole lot better than what I was about to try. I saw the guys at Pinedale (Mountainman Museum) heating willows over a fire and bending at the heat point. They were making a bull boat, I was going to use the same method, but using two willows as you suggest allows me to adjust the size. Probably a bunch cleaner too. Didn't think about the fact that the fur was the important part that was used for the hats, not the skin. Do we have a rondy that is open to the public here in Southern Oregon? At least open part of the time for trading. Gail ================================== >> How did the mountain men attach their beaver skins to the circular willow >> rack without damaging the skins? How long would the skins have remained >> Gail > >Hi Gail, > > Moscow Hide & Fur has a good selection of tanned hides and I'm >sure you'll find what you are looking for. Buy with consideration as to >quality as well as to size. To answer your question, the hides were >attached to the willow hoops with whatever was available to them at the >time. Sinew, green hide lacing ,(from another animal, not the beaver) >whangs of buckskin tanned or otherwise, any type of cord material they >might have handy. When I make up my beaver on the hoop decorators, I go >cut me some red willow shoots about 7 foot long and about the size of my >thumb on the bottom end. I peel the bark off, cut each one to about 6 >1/2 foot. I take two of them and tie one butt end to the small end of >the other, I wrap these tightly with about thirty turns of sinew. I then >bend the other two ends together (into a hoop) and do the same, >overlaping the ends about 6 to 10 inches depending on the diameter of >the beaver hide. > Each hoop can be adjusted in this manner. I make up these hoops a >few weeks in advance of their actual use. After tanning the well fleshed >beaver plews, I use a leather hole punch to place 1/8th inch holes all >around the outer edge of the hide, spaced about an 1 1/2" apart and >about a 1/2" in from the edge. I sew up the leg holes with senew. The >tanned hide is placed on one of my beaver stretchers to dry after >tanning. (there is no need to work the hide as you would others, it can >dry slightly stiff) A beaver stretcher is a hoop made from 3/8ths. steel >rod with a nut welded to one end. The opposite end of the rod hoop is >passed through this nut making the hoop adjustable for various size >beaver pelts. A metal hose clamp holds the stretcher hoop to the proper >diameter while the pelt is drying. Metal "S" hooks are used around the >the hoop connecting it to the holes punched in the edge of the hide. It >takes about a week here in southwestern Oregon for a typical beaver hide >to dry out. When they are dry, I take them off the metal hoop and lace >them onto the willow hoop with sinew or buckskin lacing, whichever I >have the most of. I hold the empty willow hoop up on my extended arm to >see where the balance point is on the hoop, once I see where the bottom >weight of the hoop is, I begin lacing the head of the beaver hide at the >top of the hoop and lace all the way around the hide until I get back to >the head again. This makes the finished project hang properly on a wall. >Make sure to keep your lacing loops even, so as not to get the pelt off >of center. (it looks horrible) To keep the hide centered while lacing, I >pre-lace the hide, tieing it off at eight places around the hoop first, >this really works well to keep the pelt centered while lacing. After the >pelt is laced onto the willow hoop, start at the head area and with a >good hair brush (the beaver won't mind, but the wife might!) start >brushing the hair down nice and even from top to bottom. This will >really make the pelt look nice. A beaver done up this way looks great on >a cabin wall. I sell mine at the Voo's as well as to the local Mountain >Resorts, Restaurants, and Antique shops, they love 'em! Hope this helps >some Gail, good luck with yours. > > Regards, _M_ Manywounds > W ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:14:08 -0700 From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver Pelts Gail Carbiener wrote: > > Do we have a rondy that is open to the public here in Southern Oregon? At > least open part of the time for trading. The week before labor day, ending on labor day there is the Western States Muzzleloader shoot at Sportsmans Park in Grants Pass. It's not all primitive, and there is a large traders row. Dale Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:38:38 -0700 From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@wizzards.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? Gail asked where there were Rondezvous open to the public in Southern Oregon? Other than the Labor day weekend Jed Smith 'Voo near Grants Pass, Oregon, I'm afraid I'm a bit out of touch. (been the last two years on a trapping job in Californy). How 'bout it list-gang? Where's the Voo's at in Southern & Central Oregon this year? When are the dates for the Paisley Voo, The Tall Trees Voo, Mt. Mazama Group, etc.? Thanks in advance from both Gail & I, Regards, _M_ Manywounds W ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:22:05 -0500 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver Pelts Another place to check is the Claw Antler and Hide Company in Custer, South Dakota. I stopped at the store while vacationing out there last year. Seemed to have fair prices and were nice people. Not a big store, but sure had lots. Not affliated, just spent money there. Web address is: http://www.wwwtravel.com/sd/custer/cah/index.html Phone: 1-605-673-4345 Hope this helps, Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:13:45 -0700 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD695B.0373C0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is frog holler at Oak Ridge OR. Maybe some one can come up with something other then what I have on Frog. - ---------- : From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@wizzards.net> : To: hist_text@xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? : Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 9:38 PM : : Gail asked where there were Rondezvous open to the public in Southern : Oregon? Other than the Labor day weekend Jed Smith 'Voo near Grants : Pass, Oregon, I'm afraid I'm a bit out of touch. (been the last two : years on a trapping job in Californy). How 'bout it list-gang? Where's : the Voo's at in Southern & Central Oregon this year? When are the dates : for the Paisley Voo, The Tall Trees Voo, Mt. Mazama Group, etc.? : : Thanks in advance from both Gail & I, : : Regards, _M_ Manywounds : W : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD695B.0373C0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">There is frog holler at Oak Ridge OR. = Maybe some one can come up with something other then what I have = on Frog. ---------- : From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@wizzards.net> : To: hist_text@xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? : Date: = Wednesday, April 15, 1998 9:38 PM : : Gail asked where there were = Rondezvous open to the public in Southern : Oregon? Other than = the Labor day weekend Jed Smith 'Voo near Grants : Pass, Oregon, I'm = afraid I'm a bit out of touch. (been the last two : years on a = trapping job in Californy). How 'bout it list-gang? Where's : the = Voo's at in Southern & Central Oregon this year? When are the = dates : for the Paisley Voo, The Tall Trees Voo, Mt. Mazama Group, = etc.? : : = &= nbsp; Thanks in advance from both Gail & = I, : : = &= nbsp; Regards, = _M_ Manywounds : = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; W : </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD695B.0373C0E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:27:20 +0000 From: "Mike Katona" <mkatona@pdx.oneworld.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? Bill Hyde will be S of John Day on Memorial weekend. Next weekend is Troy, OR Mostly a shoot, but they are stating to encourage more primitive dress. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:32:14 -0700 From: "P.D. Amschler" <buckskinner@mailcity.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Cent. and Northern Calif. Rendezvous DOes anyone have an updated rondezvous list? Also does anyone know of a shop that does more black powder guns up here. Paul (bear) Amschler Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:32:03 EDT From: Rkleinx2 <Rkleinx2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Oregon Voo's? In a message dated 4/17/98 7:45:25 AM, you wrote: <<Bill Hyde will be S of John Day on Memorial weekend.>> What does this mean? Dick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:12:42 -0600 From: "Ron" <cstmzd@ida.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Newbie Greetings to all! My name is Ron Chamberlain, located in S. E. Idaho, I'm new to the list and Green in the ways of the Mt. Man. I'll be occasionally asking 'dumb' questions out of ignorance. Your patience and answers will be appreciated. Are 'Canadian Boots' <http://www3.sympatico.ca/michel.viger/canadian.boot.htm> exceptable footware for pre 1840 voo's? What about 'Coyote's Capotes' using leather for fringe, instead of blanket materials? <http://www.scenicidaho.com/CoyotesCapotes/> Thanks, Ron Ron's Idaho Pages <http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/> Email <cstmzd@ida.net> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:02:49 EDT From: LODGEPOLE <LODGEPOLE@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newbie In a message dated 98-04-17 16:03:26 EDT, you write: << I'll be occasionally asking 'dumb' questions out of ignorance. >> Ron, Man did you come to the right place......if there is one thing I can give ye, it's Dumb and Ignorant answers!!!!! Now I'll feel like I have a purpose in life. Welcome to the list!!!!!!!!!! Longshot ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #53 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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