home
***
CD-ROM
|
disk
|
FTP
|
other
***
search
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
pub
/
lists
/
hist_text
/
archive
/
v01.n051
< prev
next >
Wrap
Internet Message Format
|
1998-04-12
|
17KB
From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #51
Reply-To: hist_text
Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Precedence: bulk
hist_text-digest Monday, April 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 051
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:29:37 EDT
From: MIA3WOLVES <MIA3WOLVES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pine tar
I'm not sure what pine tar is made from but I do remember my
Grandpa giving it to the horses when they had a cough. It was poured down
their throats.
Whether he got it from the Pharmacy or from the feed store I' m not sure.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:49:44 -0500
From: Glenn Darilek <llsi@texas.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dances With Wolves
Dave Parks wrote:
> . . . I would also like to see a fur trade movie
> made with a good storyline and attention to detail like that of Kevin
> Coster's "Dances with Wolves".
> Everytime I watch his movie, I see something new that I didn't
> spot before. His attention to detail was refreshing to see. A far cry
> from the days of "painted-up" white men playing as indians, etc. It
> showed that it is possible to include proper details (like speaking
> sioux, with subtitles and showing what it was really like "running
> buffalo". Too many movies seem to rush through a storyline to save
> production time. Dances with Wolves was a fresh break from the standard
> Hollywood garbage.
For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), I agree. Just the buffalo
hunt is worth the price of admission. But in at least one instance, I
don't know why they thought they had to compromise authenticity for a
"better" story line. For example, the boy who was injured while trying
to steal Dances With Wolves horse, said he was afraid that his father
would beat him when he found out. From what I have read, this is not
the way the Lakota treated their offspring, particularly boys.
Iron Burner
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:44:59 EDT
From: LODGEPOLE <LODGEPOLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dances With Wolves
In a message dated 98-04-11 12:38:45 EDT, Iron Burner wrote:
<< For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), I agree. Just the buffalo
hunt is worth the price of admission. But in at least one instance, I
don't know why they thought they had to compromise authenticity for a
"better" story line. For example, the boy who was injured while trying
to steal Dances With Wolves horse, said he was afraid that his father
would beat him when he found out. From what I have read, this is not
the way the Lakota treated their offspring, particularly boys. >>
Well, I am no expert on these things. It may have been an "Authors Mistake"
in the book or something that was overlooked when the movie was made and the
Indian Tribe was changed to Lakota from the original tribe in the book. I am
not sure what the tribe was as I never did get around to reading it. But the
tribe was changed to Lakota for the movie as there aren't many members of the
tribe in the book around today and there were plenty of Lakota to be found to
make the movie. At any rate that was the story told on one of those "making
of the Movie" shows I saw on the tube.
Longshot
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:04:02 EDT
From: VinStevens <VinStevens@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver...
Gail,
Try to find a copy of Fish and Fur magazine, I can usualy find it in the
magazine racks of the local grocery store, they list lots of places to
purchase furs. Here in Montana, Pacific Recycling sells plews for around $30
(I think...I haven't checked in a while). If you can't find a source locally
drop me a line off list and I'll see what I can do for you.
Vince
vinstevens@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:37:38 -0500
From: Terry Venden <tvenden@etex.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson
- --------------8D2C9C1C9814763D4C3A8ED9
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
P.D. Amschler wrote:
> Movie question?
>
> Does anyone have a copy or know where I can get a copy of the
> old Redford movie
> "Jeremiah Johnson"?
>
> Paul (The Buckskinner Bear)
>
> Get your FREE, private e-mail
> account at http://www.mailcity.com
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can find Jeremiah Johnson at any place that sell old movies, like
WalMart, Best Buy, and maybe Target. I just purchased Jeremiah in DVD
format. So I know it is still out there. As the other gentleman stated
it also comes on cable every so often or you could rent it if you have a
way to retape it. Just look and you'll find it.
Sure enjoy reading all the post from everyone. I learn something every
day. Thanks.
Mato Wakan ( Medicine Bear)
Terry
- --------------8D2C9C1C9814763D4C3A8ED9
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<HTML>
P.D. Amschler wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Movie question?
<P> Does anyone have a copy or
know where I can get a copy of the old Redford movie
<BR>"Jeremiah Johnson"?
<P>
Paul (The Buckskinner Bear)
<P>Get your FREE, private e-mail
<BR>account at <A HREF="http://www.mailcity.com">http://www.mailcity.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR WIDTH="100%">
<BR>You can find Jeremiah Johnson at any place that sell old movies, like
WalMart, Best Buy, and maybe Target. I just purchased Jeremiah in
DVD format. So I know it is still out there. As the other gentleman
stated it also comes on cable every so often or you could rent it if you
have a way to retape it. Just look and you'll find it.
<P>Sure enjoy reading all the post from everyone. I learn something
every day. Thanks.
<P>
Mato Wakan ( Medicine Bear)
<BR>
Terry</HTML>
- --------------8D2C9C1C9814763D4C3A8ED9--
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:59:12 EDT
From: Traphand <Traphand@aol.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: powder horn repair
got three very old horns at a sell last weekend. the horns are flaking and
starting to creak.what has anyone tried that worked.thanks
traphand
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:07:31 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <wolverine76@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women's hoods
Angela,
Let me make sure I've gotten your meaning correctly by restating what I
believe you said in in my own words.
My words: Indian women decorated efigy hoods profusely so that the hoods
didn't look so goofy. Is that your meaning?
Second question; how far may we extend this logic to other things women
decorated profusely? It seems to be an interesting concept worth further
exploration.
D.T.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 2:27 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Women's hoods
>I promised to discuss the woman's version of the effigy hoods folks were
>discussing earlier. It is the rectangular Canadian Native woman's hood.
Here
>are a couple of descriptions :
>"The cap, when they have one, consists of a piece of cloth, about two feet
>square, doubled, and sewed up at one end, which forms an enclosure for the
>head; and it is tied under the chin. The bottom of it falls down the back,
>like a cape, and in the centre, is tied to the belt. This cap is fancifully
>garnished with ribbon, beads or porcupine quills." 1820, Daniel Williams
>Harmon (W. Kaye Lamb, ed. _Sixteen Years in the Indian Country_, 203)
>"For a head dress they [Cree women] have a foot of broad cloth sewed at one
>end, ornamented with beads and gartering, this end is on the head, the
loose
>parts are over the shoulders, and is well adapted to defend the head and
>neck from the cold and snow." David Thompson (Richard Glover, ed. _David
>Thompson's Narrative : 1784-1812_, p. 74)
>
>Why is it so important to decorate these hoods profusely? Because
>otherwise they are SO GOOFY! The peak is often decorated with a tassel,
just
>to heighten the effect, which looks like you've tried (unsuccessfully) to
>stuff your head into an envelope. So decorations are crucial to distracting
>people from this effect.
>
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>agottfre@telusplanet.net
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:07:50 -0600
From: "Ron" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hats
In Townsends journal, he lists a hat purchased that was "white wool
hats-with round crown, fitting tightly to the head, with brims 5" wide &
almost hard enough to resist a rifle ball."
Would this hat have a brim all around the crown?...or just to the front?
Thanks, Ron
Email <cstmzd@ida.net>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:13:17 -1000
From: Blue Rider <blurdr@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dances With Wolves
LODGEPOLE wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-11 12:38:45 EDT, Iron Burner wrote:
>
> << For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), I agree. Just the
> buffalo
> hunt is worth the price of admission. But in at least one instance,
> I
> don't know why they thought they had to compromise authenticity for a
>
> "better" story line. For example, the boy who was injured while
> trying
> to steal Dances With Wolves horse, said he was afraid that his father
>
> would beat him when he found out. From what I have read, this is not
>
> the way the Lakota treated their offspring, particularly boys. >>
>
> Well, I am no expert on these things. It may have been an "Authors
> Mistake"
> in the book or something that was overlooked when the movie was made
> and the
> Indian Tribe was changed to Lakota from the original tribe in the
> book. I am
> not sure what the tribe was as I never did get around to reading it.
> But the
> tribe was changed to Lakota for the movie as there aren't many members
> of the
> tribe in the book around today and there were plenty of Lakota to be
> found to
> make the movie. At any rate that was the story told on one of those
> "making
> of the Movie" shows I saw on the tube.
>
> Longshot
The original tribe in the book, "Dances With Wolves" was the
Comanches. I personally think that they were changed to Lakota in the
movie for two reasons. #1--Lakota are considered "cool" in the
hippy-dippy New Age world, and #2--the Lakota are prettier than the
Comanche. I mean no offense to either tribe by that statement; it's the
same mindset that considers black women to be beautiful if they look
more white than black. In other words, they look like *we* would like
to look; the Lakota tend to be taller and leaner than the Comanches and
have that "Plains Indian" hawk profile. The Comanches are short and
rather chunky in body build and look more like the Apache. There are
many historical statements referring to the fact that the Comanches were
seen as "short and squat" until they sat a horse, whereupon they turned
into graceful centaurs who looked like they had grown out of the horse
and could do anything while riding.
There isn't all that much written on the Comanches. I would recommend
to you "The Comanches: Lords of the South Plains" by E. Wallace and E.
Hoebel. Amazon.com has it in paperback at a reasonable price.
They are a fascinating people, and one of the very last tribes to be
starved out by the US Army. Read up on Quanah Parker sometime; there
was a man. His father was Comanche and his mother a white captive name
of Cynthia Ann Parker. As Quanah was half-white, the whites seemed to
feel he was easier to deal with than all them Inyuns. What he was was
intelligent and a real statesman, deeply concerned with his people.
I grew up on part of the Comancheria in Texas and learned these tales at
my mama's knee.
Literally. My mama always had a soft spot for Cynthia Ann Parker.
Thanks for listening. I'll cut it off here before I really get going.
Mind yer topknot,
Blue
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:41:23 -0700
From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@wizzards.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: 5" brim Hats
Ron wrote:
>
> In Townsends journal, he lists a hat purchased that was "white wool
> hats-with round crown, fitting tightly to the head, with brims 5" wide &
> almost hard enough to resist a rifle ball."
>
> Would this hat have a brim all around the crown?...or just to the front?
Hi Ron, Yes, the 5" brim would run all the way around the crown, if
it was just in the front.....it would look like a baseball cap. Take a
look through some of the prints by various period artists here on Deans
web-site and you can see what they looked like.
Regards, _M_ Manywounds
W
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:55:48 EDT
From: CT OAKES <CTOAKES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pine tar
In a message dated 98-04-09 22:40:25 EDT, you write:
<< >>What exactly is pine tar, and also where can you get it??!
>>I can't seem to find anyone with any info on it.
>>
>>Matt Mitchell
>>Palouse Hills Muzzleloaders
>>Moscow, Idaho >>
Check any farm feed store, Pine Tar is available in small tins. It is a
common first aid for chickens that are getting pecked by other chickens. It
is also available at places that sell trees and shrubs as it is good for
sealing off a branch after pruning.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:57:41 -0500
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson
First off, I have no ties with the company, never ordered from them,
etc.
Goto http://movie.reel.com/moviepage/647.html
Shows Jeremiah Johnson can be had for:
New Used Laserdisc DVD Widescreen
- --- ---- --------- --- ----------
$12.74 $6.99 $29.73 $17.49 $16.98
Hope this helps,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:52:21 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: South Eastern Rendezvous
For those of you who have time......Do we.....
This camp out just started and is having GREAT weather and is in a GREAT
place to camp. Come on out for the last weekend 4/14 to 4/19. I just
left the "Mouse House" and they are having toooooo good of a time. Mom
won't let me come out and play this week so I just got to visit for the
day. Will try to sneak out for another day this weekend.
Linda Holley
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:03:34 +0000
From: Carpenter Family <kcarpenter@bigbear.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnson
Jim Lindberg wrote:
>
> Goto http://movie.reel.com/moviepage/647.html
>
> Shows Jeremiah Johnson can be had for:
>
> New Used Laserdisc DVD Widescreen
> --- ---- --------- --- ----------
> $12.74 $6.99 $29.73 $17.49 $16.98
>
> Jeremiah Johnson can also be obtained from Critic's Choice Video, for $10.77, at 800-367-7765. I just recieved their catalog in the mail.
Why did the movie makers feel the need to change John Johnston's name to
Jeremiah Johnson?
Ken C
------------------------------
End of hist_text-digest V1 #51
******************************
-
To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to
"majordomo@xmission.com"
with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.
For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
"help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.