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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #16 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:31:06 -0800 From: Frank Stewart <MedicineBear@Hawken54.sparks.nv.us> Subject: MtMan-List: New Skinners co. For those having trouble with the previously listed link it's: http://www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html Medicine Bear ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:49:49 EST From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi Hoy, the net! I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am afraid I have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two camp outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We don't have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my questions: What are the best tipis at a good price? How can we move them around with a small car? And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS? Your advice is appreciated as usual. Thanks, John Fleming Detroit, Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:00:26 EST From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Skinners co. In a message dated 98-02-08 13:58:27 EST, you write: << > has the numbers to be put to a vote ! > oh yea the page can be found at > http:www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html Can't seem to locate your site. Netscape tells me no name specified. Crazyman >> Crazyman, He forgot the // in the url. try it again at this address: http://www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:22:49 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Poison lead balls In the "Journal of a Trapper" edited by Haines, on page 52, Russell talks about a Delaware Indian that was shot with a "poisoned ball" in the leg. The ball lodged under the knee cap and the man died within four days. I've never heard of such a thing and what kind of poison could the Blackfeet have used? I don't think your basic bacteria can work that fast...... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: California and Trapping/hunting On 8 Feb 1998, Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: > I'm not surprised they want to eleminate trapping in California. They > did that to us here in Colorado and mostly the Californicators that led the > fight. You guys have a fight on your hands and I hate to say it, but I'm > going to guess it is a losing battle for you. Emotions count for a lot > more than common sense when it comes to voters. Isn't California the state that banned mountain lion hunting until the big cats started eating voters/joggers? It's kinda funny, but with the large influx of out-of-state city dwellers coming to live in rustic Idaho, we fight every year it seems to keep hunting rights. Last election it was a fight to be able to run bears with hounds. Can't wait to see what's up next time. At least they don't bother them crazy fools what shoot frontstuffers.... yet. Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:07:32 -0800 From: tigrbo1 <tigrbo1@ibm.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark Jim Ellison/Flying Cloud wrote: > Yes, Donna and I spent the day at the Fort Clatsup this last >summer, the air gun is no longer on display, we where able to pick >several books on Clark for our great nephews who are direct >decendentsof Clark. Greetings Jim, How completely cool that your great nephews are decendents of Clark. How old are they? And do they realize the significance of their lineage? What a coup when it comes time to do a report on the Corps of Descoverary for history class. Judith and I will look you up at the Enumclaw show in March, Keep your powder dry. Best regards, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:09:58 -0800 From: tigrbo1 <tigrbo1@ibm.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Anti-Skinners Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: > >I'm not surprised they want to eleminate trapping in California. They >did that to us here in Colorado and mostly the Californicators that >led the fight. You guys have a fight on your hands and I hate to say >it, but I'm going to guess it is a losing battle for you. Emotions >count for a lot more than common sense when it comes to voters. Greetings to the Cal. Crowd, Don't be discoruaged. The anti gun types from California knew for a fact that I-676, mandatory registretion law, was going to pass here in Washington. They used hype, rhetoric, emotion charged testamonials, half truths, lies and rigged poll results in their bid to win. In the end we sent them back south with a size 10 boot print on their butts. My advice is attend all the meetings and news confrences and present your side of the story. Be neat, clean, articulate and above all professional. Make them stick to the facts and you do the same. Best of luck, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:22:45 -0700 From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com> Subject: MtMan-List: JACQUES LARAMIE >Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:02:27 -0700 (MST) >X-Template: /home/users/d/drudy/public_html/mail.txt >To: <drudy@xmission.com> >From: MITCH LARAMIE <claramie@mail.win.org> >Subject: JACQUES LARAMIE > >JACQUES LARAMIE IS MY GREAT GREAT GRAND UNCLE. >THE YEAR OF HIS BIRTH IS UNKNOWN, HOWEVER, HE WAS KILLED BY >INDIANS AND WAS HIODEN IN A BEAVER DAM. HE WAS ONE OF A FEW >MEN TO DISCOVER THE OREGON TRAIL. HE DIED IN THE YEAR 1821. >THE LARAMIE MOUNTAINS, LARAMIE PARK, LARAMIE COUNTY AND THE CITY >OF LARAMIE ARE NAMED AFTER HIM. WE LOVE HISTORY AND >ARE PLEASED TO OFFER YOU THIS INFORMATION. YOU CAN CONTACT >THE CITY OF LARAMIE, WYOMING TO GATHER ALL THE INFO YOU NEED. >MOST OF THE LARAMIE'S SETTLED IN FLORISSANT, MISSOURI AND ARE LOCATED >THERE AND ABOUT. THANK YOU. > > >-- >This e-mail was generated from the world-wide web; the e-mail address > "MITCH LARAMIE <claramie@mail.win.org>" >may be incorrect. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:13:59 -0600 From: "Stephen C. Merritt" <scmerritt@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark At 03:07 PM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jim Ellison/Flying Cloud wrote: > >> Yes, Donna and I spent the day at the Fort Clatsup this last >summer, the air gun is no longer on display, we where able to pick >several books on Clark for our great nephews who are direct >decendentsof Clark. > >Greetings Jim, > > How completely cool that your great nephews are decendents of Clark. >How old are they? And do they realize the significance of their lineage? >What a coup when it comes time to do a report on the Corps of >Descoverary for history class. Judith and I will look you up at the >Enumclaw show in March, Keep your powder dry. > >Best regards, > > Run into more Clarks as time goes on!! Clark is my great-great-great-whatever grandpappy! :-) Stephen Merritt mailto:scmerritt@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:06:02 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD34DD.BEA2D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John you make it very hard to give you a good answer. A small car won't work with out a lot of rework to carry to the poles even if you go with small car for one thing you eat up a lot of room with the bag of canvas so I don't know where you are going to carry you food, camp kitchen box, clothes, bed rolls and etc. Back in the late 60's my hunten pardoner we went up to Trout Lake in the UP about 25 miles + from the big Mac bridge. We had a 18' tent, cooking gear, lanterns, stoves and guns. That ain't all I shot a deer a 8pt about 250# nice buck. What made this so funny is we were driving a 66 VW. We lived near Battle Creek and had to drive back 300 miles home. When we finely got the deer on the top of that car he looked like he was making love to the love bug. We got a lots of looks on our way home. At the game check at the bridge the game wardens were laughing so hard they had tears running do their cheeks. My point is get a small trailer there is some small ones that are light. pack as light as you can you will learn, get a small wall tent which would be correct and you can put in small wood stove to put in it later. A large wedge tent would be good also. Anyway good luck getting all that Poop in the car. I have had from 22' tepees, wall tents, wedge tents, lean to. I use a truck and it is full and I pack light. Later Jon Towns - ---------- : From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi : Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 1:49 PM : : Hoy, the net! : : I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here : pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... : : My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am afraid I : have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the : fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two camp : outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We don't : have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my : questions: : : What are the best tipis at a good price? : : How can we move them around with a small car? : : And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS? : : Your advice is appreciated as usual. : : Thanks, : : John Fleming : Detroit, Michigan - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD34DD.BEA2D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">John you make it very hard to give you = a good answer. A small car won't work with out a lot of rework to = carry to the poles even if you go with small car for one thing you eat = up a lot of room with the bag of canvas so I don't know where you are = going to carry you food, camp kitchen box, clothes, bed rolls and etc. = Back in the late 60's my hunten pardoner we went up to Trout Lake = in the UP about 25 miles + from the big Mac bridge. We had a 18' = tent, cooking gear, lanterns, stoves and guns. That ain't all I = shot a deer a 8pt about 250# nice buck. What made this so funny is = we were driving a 66 VW. We lived near Battle Creek and had to = drive back 300 miles home. When we finely got the deer on the top = of that car he looked like he was making love to the love bug. We = got a lots of looks on our way home. At the game check at the = bridge the game wardens were laughing so hard they had tears running do = their cheeks. My point is get a small trailer there is some small = ones that are light. pack as light as you can you will learn, = get a small wall tent which would be = correct and you can put in small wood stove to put in it later. = A large wedge tent would be good also. Anyway good = luck getting all that Poop in the car. I have had from 22' = tepees, wall tents, wedge tents, lean to. I use a truck and = it is full and I pack light. Later Jon Towns = ----------<= br>: From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi : Date: Sunday, = February 08, 1998 1:49 PM : : Hoy, the net! : : I = appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this = here : pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... : : My = wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am = afraid I : have no choice in this one! Every body else has = "tin tipis" with all the : fixin's... we have a small = car. With my love of buckskinning, and two camp : outs or more = each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We = don't : have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) = So here are my : questions: : : What are the best tipis = at a good price? : : How can we move them around with a small = car? : : And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT = MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS? : : Your advice is appreciated as = usual. : : Thanks, : : John Fleming : Detroit, = Michigan </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD34DD.BEA2D0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:10:56 EST From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California and Trapping/hunting Didn't know there were still people running hounds after bears still nowdays. Are they Plotts or Walker hounds? Mine is a Louisiana Leopard Catahoula. They used to run bears but now days we use them mostly for deer or hog hunting in the South. Heard Plotts are excellent hounds but tend to run after cold scents and make alot of trouble for hunters becuase they have to track them days after hunting...with catahoulas you don't have that problem becuase they will track fresh scent only. Personally I think it's more sensible to run hounds after bears...would you rather get clawed up by a bear or have your dogs handle it much more effieciently than you? Same thing with wild hogs here....you will not want to stand in the path of a 500 lb sow bearing down on ya...here we do have some idiots whose idea of a good time is to go mano-a-mano with a hog with just a knife and they do end up in the hospital saying how fun it was. With dogs you have less of a problem. Was wondering if the economy of Idaho is so good that people from out of state are moving in? If this isn't appropriate for this list then e-mail me in private. Thanks. TedHart@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:51:20 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi In a message dated 98-02-09 00:10:27 EST, John Fleming Detroit, Michigan wrote to ask: << What are the best tipis at a good price?>> In the past year I have seen 4 good USED tipis's for sale. And in fact my neighbor up the road plans to put his on the market this year. I have slept in it and it was in fine shape (Spring Valley Lodge I think). If you want you can contact me direct off the list at ctoakes@aol.com and I can give you his Phone # and E-mail address. But I would say that from Detroit East you will find them for sale used at good prices as many of the eastern F&I and Rev War events do not allow them. <<How can we move them around with a small car?>> With 20'+ poles the Small Car will either need an ingeniuos roof rack (custom) or a trailer. I know several people with converted boat trailers to carry the poles and some gear. And there is a knife and walking stick dealer goes by the name of Peddler that carries his on top of his old Buick with a bolt on front and rear upright. << And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS?>> As one of the few lodges that you can have an open fire in the bug problem is not bad, but as with all pre-mosquito net era tents you will get bugs in if there are bugs about. When my family first got into this life (some call it a hobby) we barrowed and used at one event each a; Tipi, Baker, Monster Wedge, Wall and Marquis. Liked the Tipi for space but I did not have a vehicle for the poles, same was true of the Baker and the Marquis (lots of poles). Ended up with a Wall for the family and have recently been planning on buying a 1750 French Bell Back Wedge for my wife and I for the short weekenders. Of all the Wedge (except for the leantoo ,limited privacy,and ground tarp) is the least to carry and the quickest to put up. But if you really want a tipi I'm sure you can find a welding shop that can come up with a Pole Rack that will work. And I must say that laying down at the end of a fine day and looking straight up at the stars is a great way to go to sleep. You Humble Servant C.T. Oakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:16:32 -0500 From: sean@naplesnet.com (Addison O. Miller) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi My wife and I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and can barely get out short weekend stuff all in it. I bought a Monster Wedge from Panther just for weekend events. I have a 12x12 wall, and it makes no sense to drag all that along for 3 days. Its just 3 poles and 14 stakes, and the bag. Thats it. Easy to pack in a small car, and poles will fit on any standard roof rack. For the long ones, it takes my 6x12 trailer to haul all of it. We just GOTTA pare this down!! You'll find that the amount of "stuff" you have will grow to fit your transportation, then you buy a trailer, etc... <chuckles> I do agree with the others, that with a "small" car, you will have a hard time getting all your gear in it for the events. A Monster Wedge may do you better as there are only 4 poles, no ropes (unless you want to add a couple front and back), and it is plenty big enough for 2 people and gear if you are just starting out. There are many things you can add... cook box, fly, furniture, etc... but that can come later for the most part. If you want a list of the basics we take to a "shortie", email me at sea@naplesnet.com and I will send it to you. SeanBear aka Addison Miller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:57:51 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Any Boy Scout Voyageur Explorers? The following is a post I found on a Scout newsgroup. Jim Subject: Voyageur Posts.... Date: 7 Feb 1998 20:17:20 GMT From: bampam38@aol.com (BAMPAM38) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa I am the president of a voyageur Explorer Post in Michigan. I am wondering if anyone would be willing to share how they got their voyageur Posts off the ground, and started. Any information will be appreciated. Heidi Post 2048 Gerald R. Ford Council Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:52:59 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Time-- David Tippets asked if there are any pictures of the watches Jeff referred to in his previous post. I'm sorry to say that there aren't any. _Revolution in Time_ does have some nice B&W plates showing the way watches got thinner throughout the history of watchmaking, however. Touchwood-- A while back, someone briefly mentioned that on the frontier, touchwood was used to start fires much more frequently than charred cloth. I would like to add my hearty agreement to this. In my reading of Canadian fur trade journals & memoirs (1774-1821), I have found : 7 references to touchwood 1 reference to "tatters hanging from grey birch" 1 reference to charcoal 1 reference to punk or "dried rotten wood" Thompson-- Barbara Belyea has just put up a web site which has a lengthy excerpt from her edition of David Thompson's Columbia Journals. It's at http://www.telusplanet.net/public/belyea Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: 09 Feb 98 15:45:02 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi We have one from Earthworks which is in Ridgeway, Co. It is 800-288-3190. Great TP, reinforced at all weak points with leather. Good price too. Moving it with a small car? Probably can't since the poles for a 16 footer are 20 to 22 feet. Keeping out pests? If you have a fire, the smoke will keep them out. Usually pests aren't that big a problem. Don and Phyllis Keas DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY JFLEMYTH wrote: >Hoy, the net! > >I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here >pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... > >My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am afraid I >have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the >fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two camp >outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We don't >have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my >questions: > >What are the best tipis at a good price? > >How can we move them around with a small car? > >And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS? > >Your advice is appreciated as usual. > >Thanks, > >John Fleming >Detroit, Michigan > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id AA6550901BE; Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:47:33 MST >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y1l20-0001Gt-00; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:41:20 -0700 >Received: from xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2] (drudy) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y1l1w-0001Fl-00; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:41:16 -0700 >Received: (from drudy@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.7/8.7.5) id >VAA24090 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:41:15 - -0700 (MST) >Received: from imo26.mail.aol.com [198.81.19.154] > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y1ecs-0001rM-00; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:50:58 -0700 >Received: from JFLEMYTH@aol.com > by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id IIAVa18883 > for <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:49:49 -0500 (EST) >From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com >Message-ID: <7140fa91.34de287f@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:49:49 EST >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 881269980 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark >> How completely cool that your great nephews are decendents of Clark. >>How old are they? And do they realize the significance of their lineage? >>What a coup when it comes time to do a report on the Corps of >>Descoverary for history class. Judith and I will look you up at the >>Enumclaw show in March, Keep your powder dry. >> >>Best regards, >> >Run into more Clarks as time goes on!! Clark is my >great-great-great-whatever grandpappy! > >:-) Maybe Clark was the *real* Father of our Country?? ;-) Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ************** "Make it so!" *************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 18:59:40 PST From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi Before you buy a tipi look at a medium sized tallboy pryamid tent. You can put it up with one pole in the center, two poles outside set up as shears or with no poles at all by tying it to a convenient overhanging limb. Plus you can actually transport one in a small car. You might stuff a tipi cover, liner and ozan into a small car but I want to see where you carry a couple of dozen poles. Good luck, one way or the other. Lanney Ratcliff rat@htcomp.net - ------- > Hoy, the net! > > I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here > pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... > > My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am afraid I > have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the > fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two camp > outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We don't > have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my > questions: > > What are the best tipis at a good price? > > How can we move them around with a small car? > > And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER PESTS? > > Your advice is appreciated as usual. > > Thanks, > > John Fleming > Detroit, Michigan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:20:53 EST From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi Thanks for all your advice on lodges... And for any more that may be coming. I was looking for a tipi at first just because of the room and comfort, but I think it is a bad idea right now. A couple of you mentioned 'marques'. This is a new one for me. What is it and where can I get some info on one. Also, some time back some of you gave me some advice on flint locks. Based on it, I got a Wilderness Rifle Works Cumberland in .50 cal. from Bob G. at Thunder Ridge muzzle loading. It just arrived today, and I am finishing it now. If it shoots as well as it feels, I'll be having a good summer! I also look forward to doing more business with Thunder Ridge. Again, thanks! Being in on this group has been the best thing helping me get started. John Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:53:46 EST From: DJZapfel@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Any Boy Scout Voyageur Explorers? Hey I can send you some info as soon as I get it from my end. I got involved in the lifestyle through scouting and my younger brother attained eagle as an Explorer in Post 1776 in Milwaukee, WI. Milwaukee County Council at point in time had an extremely strong and active reenacting post. They might be able to help as well. Drop me a line and I will see what I can do for ya. Good Luck! Bus DJZapfel@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:04:05 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: RE: MtMan-List: tanning deer hides -Reply -Reply >Kat wrote: > >. As an aside, does anyone know of a period use for the >hair once it has been removed from the hide? It's just a personal opinion, but pad saddle stuffing would be a good guess since it was probably more abundant than buffalo hair (also used in pad saddles). I would guess that more deer were hunted by tribes than buffalo, and more deer skins were tanned hair-off than buffalo, therefore, deer hair would have been in more abundance. Notwithstanding the fact that a male buffalo hide could be 6-8 times larger than a deer hide, but it was the smaller cow skin, not the bull, which yielded the most buffalo hair. Long hair only covered the shoulders and forward half of the bull's back, whereas it covered the entire body of the cow. (That's how you can tell them apart at a distance, btw.) Nevertheless, deer skins probably outnumbered buffalo hides in camp. Pardon me if I ramble, but saddle stuffing seems a logical, economical, and period use for deer hair. I tried stuffing a pillow with it once, but I could never stuff it enough for comfort to suit me. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ************** "Make it so!" *************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:20:22 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi Dear John (no pun intended) As far as ease of set-up, portability, storage and transport, there is nothing like a pyramid tent. They fold up relatively compactly, you can set them up with one inside pole, which can be cut in sections and sleeved for assembly; also, pyramids, if constructed properly can be hung from a branch, therefore requiring no poles and giving you maximun usable room inside. As far as a tipi, and the poles to set it up, you can get a trailer hitch builder to make a set of racks off the front and rear to carry them in, but with the poles, ropes, outer cover, inner liner, floor and/or rugs, you've got lots to carry. I have found the best arrangement for me is a trailer behind my car, then i can unhook when home and not have to drive a huge car around all the time. On a personal note, after living/sleeping/being in different types of lodges of all styles for the last 4 or 5 years, I would recommend a Panther Lodge without reservation. About the bugs/insects? When you find out, please lemme know, I might actually be able to get my arachnabugaphobic Senora to come to rendezvous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:30:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California and Trapping/hunting On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Ted A Hart wrote: > Didn't know there were still people running hounds after bears still > nowdays. Ted.... I'll email you privately since this has wandered from BP :) Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:49:39 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3583.17AF6340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did Clark have any children he claimed. I am not being a smart ass. I know he had family. I used to work for Adm Clark who was the commander of the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. Who also claimed relations to Wm. Clark. Later Jon T - ---------- : From: Stephen C. Merritt <scmerritt@mindspring.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark : Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 9:13 PM : : At 03:07 PM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: : >Jim Ellison/Flying Cloud wrote: : > : >> Yes, Donna and I spent the day at the Fort Clatsup this last >summer, : the air gun is no longer on display, we where able to pick >several books : on Clark for our great nephews who are direct >decendentsof Clark. : > : >Greetings Jim, : > : > How completely cool that your great nephews are decendents of Clark. : >How old are they? And do they realize the significance of their lineage? : >What a coup when it comes time to do a report on the Corps of : >Descoverary for history class. Judith and I will look you up at the : >Enumclaw show in March, Keep your powder dry. : > : >Best regards, : > : > : : Run into more Clarks as time goes on!! Clark is my : great-great-great-whatever grandpappy! : : :-) : : : Stephen Merritt : mailto:scmerritt@mindspring.com - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3583.17AF6340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Did Clark have any children he claimed. = I am not being a smart ass. I know he had family. = I used to work for Adm Clark who was the commander of the Puget = Sound Naval Shipyard. Who also claimed relations to Wm. Clark. = Later Jon T ---------- : From: = Stephen C. Merritt <scmerritt@mindspring.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & = Clark : Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 9:13 PM : : At 03:07 = PM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: : >Jim Ellison/Flying Cloud = wrote: : > : >> Yes, Donna and I spent the day at = the Fort Clatsup this last >summer, : the air gun is no longer on = display, we where able to pick >several books : on Clark for our = great nephews who are direct >decendentsof Clark. : > : = >Greetings Jim, : > : > How completely cool that = your great nephews are decendents of Clark. : >How old are they? = And do they realize the significance of their lineage? : >What a = coup when it comes time to do a report on the Corps of : = >Descoverary for history class. Judith and I will look you up at = the : >Enumclaw show in March, Keep your powder dry. : = > : >Best regards, : > : > : : Run into more = Clarks as time goes on!! Clark is my : = great-great-great-whatever grandpappy! : : :-) : : : = Stephen Merritt : mailto:scmerritt@mindspring.com </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3583.17AF6340-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:07:16 -0600 From: "Stephen C. Merritt" <scmerritt@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Lewis & Clark At 05:49 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> <excerpt> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Did Clark have any children he claimed. I am not being a smart ass. I know he had family. I used to work for Adm Clark who was the commander of the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. Who also claimed relations to Wm. Clark. Later Jon T </smaller></fontfamily></excerpt> Now that's an interesting question that I just can't answer. To be perfectly honest, I have always been told (by my Clark mother) that we are direct descendents. Now she always said it was linear but could've been collateral (do I have the term right here?). But as to more specifics about Clark, I couldn't tell you. Anybody else know anything more? Stephen Merritt mailto:scmerritt@mindspring.com ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #16 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.