Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names -Reply
The Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton, OK sells the book for sure. The last time I was at Bent's Old Fort in LaJunta, CO they also had it. Almost every place I have been in the West has it, talking of museums and the like.
Not that difficult to find. There are several people that have sale catalogues, that deal with mountain men stuff that sell it.
Good luck.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:38:04 -0600 (CST)
From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dog Trot Cabins
>Ted A Hart wrote:
>
>>I'm interested in a particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the
>>South. Dog-trot log homes to be extact.
>
Our museum has 33 historic structures, including a dogtrot log house (if
the dwelling has more than one room, it's a house, not a cabin) from the
Texas Hill Country. Write me off-line (or call) if you want more info.
Cheers,
HBC
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:56 -0600 (CST)
From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dog Trot Cabins
>>Ted A Hart wrote:
>>
>>>I'm interested in a particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the
>>>South. Dog-trot log homes to be extact.
>>
>Our museum has 33 historic structures, including a dogtrot log house (if
>the dwelling has more than one room, it's a house, not a cabin) from the
>Texas Hill Country. Write me off-line (or call) if you want more info.
>HBC
Meanwhile, take a look at Terry Jordan, _Texas Log Buildings: A Folk
Architecture_, and John Vlach, _Back of the Big House: The Architecture of
Plantation Slavery_. Both historias are well versed in the technical
terminology of historical architecture. Jordan's book is a demographic
study of log structure types, and Vlach deals with the the variety of
architecture styles built by and/or for American slave use. Both are
profusely illustrated.
good luck
HBC
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Henry B. Crawford Curator of History
mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442 Box 43191
FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191
WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:54:31 -0700
From: "David Tippets" <wolverine76@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names
Re: Nick Names/Camp Names
Not only did mountain men generally not use Indian names, neither did many
Indian mountain men and Metis who were a very important part of the trapping
population. Many of the mountain men with French names, such as Old Pierre
for whom Pierre's Hole was named, were Iroquois. The Iroquois had Iroquois
names but apparently didn't use them as a matter of choice fur trade
business.
Being Indian seems to be more popular in 1998 than it was 1838.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names
>Clay Landry wrote:
>>While there seems to be good evidence that some fur brigade Captains and
>>leaders had Indian styled names such as "Broken Hand" and "Blanket Chief"
it
>>does not appear that the other white trappers referred to them by these
>>handles.<snip>
>>No where in the literature of the Rocky Mountain fur trade can I find a
>>historical precident or inference for trappers hanging Indian styled names
>>on one another.
>
>Clay, I quite agree with you that the ubiquitous "rendezvous names" seem to
>be a modern phenomenon. In the W. Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821, almost
>everyone went by the names their mothers gave them. However, there are a
>small number of examples of nicknames.
>
>North West Company wintering partner John Macdonald of Garth might be
>familiar to those folks studying Astoria's later years. In letters, he was
>referrred to as John Macdonald (Garth) to distinguish him from another
>prominent John Macdonald of the North West Company. (Historians carry on
the
>distinction for the same reason.) In his memoirs, he says that the
voyageurs
>called him "bras croche" (crooked arm) because he had a withered right arm.
>
>Simon McTavish ran the North West Company with an iron hand until his death
>in 1804. Nor'westers called him "The Marquis" behind his back.
>
>George Simpson, who ran the HBC in Canada for many years was called "The
>Little Emperor" (behind his back) because, like Napoleon, he was small in
>stature but still very powerful.
>
>John Rowand Sr., who ran Fort Edmonton for many years, was called "One
Pound
>One" because he had a bad leg, which he dragged when he walked, making a
>sound like "one pound one" as he crossed the floor.
>
>Joseph Landry, who was Nor'wester Alexander Mackenzie's steersman in 1789,
>on his Arctic Ocean voyage, and again in 1793, on his voyage to the
Pacific,
>was called "Cadien" (Acadian) because he was born in the old Acadian area
of
>what is now New Brunswick & Nova Scotia. Another voyageur, Charles
>Doucette, was also called "Cadien" for the same reason.
>
>In fact, voyageurs seem to have been more likely to have had nicknames than
>non-voyageurs (although nicknames were not at all usual). The French word
>"dit" (pronounced "dee" or "deet") means "called" and Joseph Landry's full
>name is Joseph Landry dit Cadien. There are other voyageurs with "dit"
>surnames--Jean-Baptiste Boucher dit Waccan, Joseph Pelletier dit
Antaya--and
>quite frankly I don't really understand "dit" surnames, except that, as the
>above examples show, they are not always French nicknames (neither Waccan
>nor Antaya are French words, so far as I know). Some French names of
>voyageurs, such as La Malice and La Framboise, might be nicknames
>("Malice/Trick", "Raspberry"). Since English has proper surnames like
>"Greenwood" ("Boisverd" in French), and Japanese has surnames like "Tanaka"
>("middle field"), I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about La Malice
>and La Framboise without further research.
>
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>agottfre@telusplanet.net
>
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:23:30 -0700 (MST)
From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Russell
>
> In a message dated 98-01-21 11:17:56 EST, you write:
>
> << Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls
> book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no
> clue
> what I was lokking for. >>
>
> Dean has that one available for download in his archives -- or at least parts
