I'm new to this list. Been livin' on the prairie south of Denver. Been here two years. Did eastern longhunter in the east. Changin' to early early exploration/fur trade in the Rocky's. I have two horse that I have been usin' for this stuff. Anyone on this list in Colorado?? Lookin' to hunt and explore. Waitin' to see if I get the draw for elk and deer. I did not make the draw for bear. Goni' to the RMNR in Delores in July,,, Gary J. Pakulski (Blackhorse)
I live up north in Eaton, CO. and a member of the Baker party of AMM. There are some members down your way as well. We are always lookin for a few good men. Get a hold of me off line.
trampas4@juno.com
Bill G.
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Anyone going to Fort Union for their annual doin's June 17-20? The boys and I will be canoing in from Culbertson, MT and arrive Thursday afternoon sometime. We will be camped by the wood pile and the voyager canoes. Would like to meet some of you folks.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
southern Idaho
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Date: 07 Jun 2004 13:31:43 GMT
Jerry,
YEs, I am an "associate" of yours. And I would like a copy. Then I will copy and distribute to others in the area. By the way, I woork in Draper and live in Riverton.
Thanks!
Todd
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Amen to that.
Todd (who has 2 daughters)
And I know this sounds really fanatical and harsh but if I had a daughter, especially in today's world, I would not concider myself having done my job as a parent until I knew she could kill somebody. Then pray God she nevers has too.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I know this sounds really fanatical and harsh but if I had a daughter, especially in today's world, I would not concider myself having done my job as a parent until I knew she could kill somebody. Then pray God she nevers has too.</FONT></DIV>
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i think that it is very important to teach children as much as we can about what we know and enjoy. i began learning shooting at 7 got away from it for a number of yrs (mom did not like it) then got back to it. i believe if more children had the oppurtunity learn even a small percentage of what this esteemed list knows we would not have a great many of the problems facing todays youth.
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<DIV>i think that it is very important to teach children as much as we can about what we know and enjoy. i began learning shooting at 7 got away from it for a number of yrs (mom did not like it) then got back to it. i believe if more children had the oppurtunity learn even a small percentage of what this esteemed list knows we would not have a great many of the problems facing todays youth.</DIV><p>
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I know every child isdifferent. That being said, this is what occured with my boys. We began doing the mountain man thing when my boys were 6 and 3. Alan, now 16 began
shooting at 6 years old. Andy, now 13 did not begin shooting till he was seven. They both began with sawed off cheap .50 cal cap locks guns. Then both moved onto
Traditions youth model .50 cal flinters. Since out growing both of those guns, they both shoot flintlocks (one a Lyman GPR, the other a T/C Hawkins) rifles and ML
shotguns. Throughout the years since they began shooting, both went through stages where they did not want to shoot at events or club shoots. There IS/WAS no pressure for
them to do so, even today. All of our hunting has been with ML's. In 4 years of hunting Alan has killed 2 mule deer bucks and an elk, all with his flintlocks. Andy has
hunted 1 year and killed his first buck with his smokeploe as well. They are both into the historical aspect of this hobby as much or more than the shooting.
Treat each child as their interest and abilities dictate. Never pressure them or you'll loose them. Get them on the ground as much as possible too. They will grow up with
a respect for history and the life this hobby provides. As they mature, their lives may turn such that the hobby has to be put on the back burner for awhile, but they
will return as it is a part of their being. BTW, the boys and I are heading out on a Missouri River canoe trek next week, ending up at Fort Union.
Lastly, enjoy your time with your children, they grow up way too fast.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp
southern Idaho
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Ditto to all the comments. I'm an NRA instructor, had to get this to be able to "officially" work with the Boy Scouts on the range. I started my boys out at 4 years old with BB guns and I only stressed 1) we do things SAFE, (the NRA rules are a good basis) and 2) HAVE FUN. Start with BB guns or .22s with the techniques and work up (or small bore and light loads). If they get their shoulder hurt the first shot (no matter how much you tell the to hold it tight), it takes a long time for them to get over the sting. If they know how to do it safe, and have fun they will keep coming back. I see boys coming to scout camp every year and have never shot before and leave with putting five shots under a quarter (merit badge requirement). I've helped with girls also and when they "get it" as learning how to master the sight picture and hit the target, they're hooked.
I must say, I am amazed at the great individuals that share their knowledge on this site. The more I read, the more I realize I need to sit back and just read! Thank you everyone.
Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote:
My oldest son tried shooting at about 4 but it was more like pulling the trigger and then yelling "range closed" and running up to see if he hit anything. The yelling and running being the important part. But since he hangs out with a bunch of lothesome mountain types he started thinking he liked that stuff and by the time he is now 8 he has shoot more flinters and muzzleloading pistols than I have. Last summer is when he finally figured out that by lining up those sights he could make Dad have to go stand the cans up faster.
I suppose it has a lot to do with the childs personality and your parenting style. I see kids that are not allowed a loose rein and a chance to do things that are twice the age of my 4 year old twins that are half as capable as they are. For my two cents, whether its shooting or horsemanship or swimming or soccar or fire building, give a kid a chance to do something above the average, especially something that folks don't think they should be able to do, and you have done more for their self esteem than all that ussual rot.
And I know this sounds really fanatical and harsh but if I had a daughter, especially in today's world, I would not concider myself having done my job as a parent until I knew she could kill somebody. Then pray God she nevers has too.
Wynn Ormond
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would ya start your youngun?
I now have a 10yr old, today is her birthday. Do you think she is too young to take to the range and start shooting?
I started shooting back when I was 10, but that was a very long time ago. I would like to get her started and maybe spend a day at the rendezvous in October up in N. Georgia.
I currently take her to the archery range and 3D shoots and she does very well. But a gun is a diff. story. Of course I'd be on her like a hawk. My wife is unsure and asked me to ask ya'll since your a bunch of very knowledgable smokepole shooter.
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<DIV>Ditto to all the comments. I'm an NRA instructor, had to get this to be able to "officially" work with the Boy Scouts on the range. I started my boys out at 4 years old with BB guns and I only stressed 1) we do things <STRONG>SAFE</STRONG>, (the NRA rules are a good basis) and 2) <STRONG>HAVE FUN</STRONG>. Start with BB guns or .22s with the techniques and work up (or small bore and light loads). If they get their shoulder hurt the first shot (no matter how much you tell the to hold it tight), it takes a long time for them to get over the sting. If they know how to do it safe, and have fun they will keep coming back. I see boys coming to scout camp every year and have never shot before and leave with putting five shots under a quarter (merit badge requirement). I've helped with girls also and when they "get it" as learning how to master the sight picture and hit the target, they're
hooked. </DIV>
<DIV>I must say, I am amazed at the great individuals that share their knowledge on this site. The more I read, the more I realize I need to sit back and just read! Thank you everyone. <BR><BR><B><I>Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My oldest son tried shooting at about 4 but it was more like pulling the trigger and then yelling "range closed" and running up to see if he hit anything. The yelling and running being the important part. But since he hangs out with a bunch of lothesome mountain types he started thinking he liked that stuff and by the time he is now 8 he has shoot more flinters and muzzleloading pistols than I have. Last summer is when he finally figured out that by lining up those sights he could make Dad have to go stand the cans up faster.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suppose it has a lot to do with the childs personality and your parenting style. I see kids that are not allowed a loose rein and a chance to do things that are twice the age of my 4 year old twins that are half as capable as they are. For my two cents, whether its shooting or horsemanship or swimming or soccar or fire building, give a kid a chance to do something above the average, especially something that folks don't think they should be able to do, and you have done more for their self esteem than all that ussual rot. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I know this sounds really fanatical and harsh but if I had a daughter, especially in today's world, I would not concider myself having done my job as a parent until I knew she could kill somebody. Then pray God she nevers has too.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>would ya start your youngun?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I now have a 10yr old, today is her birthday. Do you think she is too young to take to the range and start shooting?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I started shooting back when I was 10, but that was a very long time ago. I would like to get her started and maybe spend a day at the rendezvous in October up in N. Georgia. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I currently take her to the archery range and 3D shoots and she does very well. But a gun is a diff. story. Of course I'd be on her like a hawk. My wife is unsure and asked me to ask ya'll since your a bunch of very knowledgable smokepole shooter. </FONT></DIV>
I can relate to kids not being supervised and shooting birds with BB guns, not to mention their eyes out. Parents that give their kids these to "play with" never read any safety guidlines. Young ones (4 or 5 year olds) can learn safety with BB guns if they are taught to treat every gun that shoots the same in regards to safety. New ones are plenty accurate for 20' to 25' to learn techniques (pick one with a good sight). Cans, plates, clay pigeons, they all provide good targets with movement (on a string). It's a tool for young ones. I never allowed my sons to have free time with the BB gun. It was always a controlled experience where safety is concerned. I liked the idea someone mentioned about a 1x2 wooden gun with sights being used to teach the first steps of handling a gun on a range. Great teaching aid. And yes, they always start from a bench rest. Same with a BB or an unloaded firearm. You have a good point with strenght being a factor with age. It's just if you start
the real young ones out with something to shoot at an early age, always having controlled supervision for safety, and something that doesn't kick, they have fun and want to shoot more often. They progress to the big bores in no time. Muzzle safety and control becomes second nature. Too many youth learn gun handling from movies.
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<DIV>I can relate to kids not being supervised and shooting birds with BB guns, not to mention their eyes out. Parents that give their kids these to "play with" never read any safety guidlines. Young ones (4 or 5 year olds) can learn safety with BB guns if they are taught to treat every gun that shoots the same in regards to safety. New ones are plenty accurate for 20' to 25' to learn techniques (pick one with a good sight). Cans, plates, clay pigeons, they all provide good targets with movement (on a string). It's a tool for young ones. I never allowed my sons to have free time with the BB gun. It was always a controlled experience where safety is concerned. I liked the idea someone mentioned about a 1x2 wooden gun with sights being used to teach the first steps of handling a gun on a range. Great teaching aid. And yes, they always start from a bench rest. Same with a BB or an unloaded
firearm. You have a good point with strenght being a factor with age. It's just if you start the real young ones out with something to shoot at an early age, always having controlled supervision for safety, and something that doesn't kick, they have fun and want to shoot more often. They progress to the big bores in no time. Muzzle safety and control becomes second nature. Too many youth learn gun handling from movies. <BR></DIV></DIV><p>
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