Does anyone have any idea how the 2004 Delores/RMNR site is going to be like. Someone told me that there are no trees, just cactus and sagebrush. Is there a creek/river to water horses ??? I didn't give a thought to logistics due to the photos posted on the RMNR site.
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> The site is treed with large Pine some scrub oak brush ( owner says we may cut
> out of as much of that that we like) There are some open areas but as much shade
> as you want. I was over there 2 days ago and temps. were running 80's during the
> day and Don tells me he used 3 blankets that night. There is no running water,
> only a small horse pond. Drinking water will be available in large tanks at the
> gate. I won't say there is no cactus, but we walked a good deal of the site and
> never saw any!!
>
> On Saturday, July 3, 2004 1:50 PM, blackhorse53@comcast.net wrote:
> >Does anyone have any idea how the 2004 Delores/RMNR site is
> >going to be like. Someone told me that there are no trees, just
> >cactus and sagebrush. Is there a creek/river to water horses
> >??? I didn't give a thought to logistics due to the photos
> >posted on the RMNR site.
>
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Thanks for the info, I was more concerned for my animal than anything else...<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> The site is treed with large Pine some scrub oak brush ( owner says we may cut <BR>> out of as much of that that we like) There are some open areas but as much shade <BR>> as you want. I was over there 2 days ago and temps. were running 80's during the <BR>> day and Don tells me he used 3 blankets that night. There is no running water, <BR>> only a small horse pond. Drinking water will be available in large tanks at the <BR>> gate. I won't say there is no cactus, but we walked a good deal of the site and <BR>> never saw any!! <BR>> <BR>> On Saturday, July 3, 2004 1:50 PM, blackhorse53@comcast.net wrote: <BR>> >Does anyone have any idea how the 2004 Delores/RMNR site is <BR>> >going to be like. Someone told me that there are no trees, just <BR>> >cactus and sagebrush. Is there a creek/river to water horses <BR>> >??? I didn't give a thought to logistics due to the photos <BR>> >posted on the RMNR site. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------- <BR>> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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Hello, all. My name is Mike, and I'm new to the list. I would enjoy anyinfo on rendezvous in the Texas area. The only thing I've found so far is Ft. Parker. Looks good but I need more. I wish to learn all I can, as I never realized there was a site exclusively for amm. (I've only recently gotten a computer) Anyway thanx, and i like the feeling of friendship I've seen so far. M.
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Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition
Date: 12 Jul 2004 21:41:54 GMT
Jerry,
Since I don't own a copy of MMM, I would like a copy of the pages. If I could borrow yours, I could make a copy myself at work. Also, it would be good to meet you.
Thanks
Todd Glover
-- "Jerry Bell" <jrbell@smartfella.com> wrote:
I finally got a coy of the Renwick Exhibition and it turns out to be the
last chapter in "Man Made Mobile". Do you have a copy of it? The chapter
is over 50 pages long. Do you still want or need a copy of it?
Jerry
PS. I live and work in Murray
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Jerry,
YEs, I am an "associate" of yours. And I would like a copy. Then I will copy
and distribute to others in the area. By the way, I woork in Draper and live
in Riverton.
Thanks!
Todd
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Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition
Date: 13 Jul 2004 13:37:13 GMT
John,
Point taken. I believe what Jerry has is a copy of a paper on the Renwick collection which he stated was "basically a chapter from the book. Since he obtained a copy from the museum, I see no reason to worry about copyrights. The author of the paper offered to send me a copy also. Good reminder on copyrights though...
Teton
-- John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> wrote:
Todd,
Is it appropriate to suggest the possible violation of copyright on this
forum?
The first question should have been: is the material copyrighted or public
domain?
SnakeOyl...
At 04:41 PM 07/12/04, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>Since I don't own a copy of MMM, I would like a copy of the pages. If I
>could borrow yours, I could make a copy myself at work. Also, it would be
>good to meet you.
>
>Thanks
>
>Todd Glover
>
>-- "Jerry Bell" <jrbell@smartfella.com> wrote:
>I finally got a coy of the Renwick Exhibition and it turns out to be the
>last chapter in "Man Made Mobile". Do you have a copy of it? The chapter
>is over 50 pages long. Do you still want or need a copy of it?
>
>Jerry
>
>PS. I live and work in Murray
>
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>
>
>Jerry,
>
>YEs, I am an "associate" of yours. And I would like a copy. Then I will copy
>and distribute to others in the area. By the way, I woork in Draper and live
>in Riverton.
>Thanks!
>
>Todd
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Good Webpages,Fort Laramie
Date: 22 Jul 2004 05:21:08 GMT
Hello Ben,
Alfred J Miller seen Fort Laramie in 1837, and he did a field sketch of it then. It is now in the Joslyn Art museum in Neb.His are the only known drawings of the original Fort. Millers 1858 painting is of the same original Fort he seen in 1837.Over the years he did many copies of his works in oil to sell. So he also added or changed some things, no copy machines to make prints. In the back ground of the 1858 painting are big clouds over the hills. The fort was built in 1834 by William Sublette as a fur trade post. It was first named fort William. It was built of wood. By 1837 the American Fur Company then owned it. By 1841 it was then replaced with the adobe walled post.1849 the Army then bought it. I am not sure as to when they built it as to the way it is today. The exact location of the original post has not been found.
I hope this helps, can anyone add anything I may have missed.
Bill G.
Baker Party, AMM
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cars, Trains and Grizzlies!
Date: 24 Jul 2004 14:40:51 +0000
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Just in case you missed it...here is the article that was in the Great Falls Tribune today. Hope you had fun.
Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart
Driver hits, kills young grizzly
By MICHAEL BABCOCK
A young male grizzly bear was hit and killed by a vehicle on Highway 200 near Monture Creek west of Ovando early Friday and one of its claws had been removed as a souvenir. Great Falls truck driver and Tribune outdoor columnist Greg Muich reported the bear carcass about 6:30 a.m. "I was rolling along about 60 mph and I saw the bear. 'Wow! A dead bear. You don't see that too often.' I stopped and backed up and realized it was a grizzly bear. Somebody already had cut one of the claws off -- the thumb on the right side had clearly been cut off. "People were pulling up and wanting to cut the other claws off," Muich said, but he prevented them from doing that. Grizzly bears are federally protected as a threatened species, a less severe status than endangered. Muich said he called 9-1-1 and the dispatcher notified Fish, Wildlife & Parks. Bill Thomas, an information officer with Fish, Wildlife & Parks said the bear was about 225 pounds and estimated to be 2 years old. "We hate to lose any grizzly bears but if you have to lose one, a young male is probably in the most expendable portion of the western Montana grizzly bear population." The scene of the accident was between Ovando and the Clearwater Junction. Highway 200 long has been considered the southern boundary of grizzly bear territory but that has changed. Several years ago grizzlies began showing up well south of the east-west highway. Thomas said FWP is saving the hide and skull for educational purposes. A DNA sample was taken to see if the bear shows up in any of the hair samples as part of a massive study of grizzlies in the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem which north of Highway 200. "We hope that the driver and the vehicle are OK. We appreciate everybody's help. But whoever cut off the 'right hand thumb' is holding an illegal souvenir," he said. Thomas said one claw on the other front paw was badly damaged -- probably in the accident -- but does not have the appearance "of somebody grubbing with a knife to get it out." "These animals are the property of the state of Montana and cannot be given away or taken," he said. "There will be a story that goes out with this hide, minus one claw, that will help us relate the fact that you cannot stop and help yourself." Thomas said vehicles hit and kill a bear every couple of years. "It may occur a little more often than we are aware of because sometimes people abscond with these animals." According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem, one bear was killed by a car last year; five the year before; one in 2001, and two in 2000. Thomas said the bear was not collared and had no ear tags or lip or ear tattoos, so it was an unknown bear to FWP. Babcock can be reached by e-mail at triboutdoors@sofast.net or by phone at 791-1487 or (800) 438-6600.
-------------- Original message from beaverboy@sofast.net: --------------
> Dear List,
>
> My weekly drive to Missoula went as usual yesterday. It can be
> a real bad drive in the winter but is a real pretty drive most
> of the time. I usually reach the top of RogerÆs Pass around 5:45 AM
> and let my engine cool off while I take a quick snooze unless
> of course there is a blizzard on top but thatÆs only in the bad
> snow months (Oct-May). I did take 20 winks and headed down the other
> side. I was busy looking for a couple of moose that live just
> on the west side of RogerÆs but didnÆt see them. I did
> finally come across a scattered herd of elk. And since they
> where on both sides of the highway I was concerned about
> one crossing before me. None did however.
> A few miles further I saw what I knew in an instance to be a dead
> bear on the opposite shoulder of the road. IÆve seen a few bears
> dead off the road before so it did not surprise me. There was no
> mistaking the black shape and roundness, I knew it was a bear a
> 1/4 mile away. As I zipped by at a very respectable 64 mph I
> glanced over at it. It was a Griz!!!
> I stopped my 80,000 pounds of rolling rubber and steel and backed
> back up the 1/2 mile just across from the black carcass. Sure
> enough, as I approached the big dead heap I saw it was indeed a
> Grizzly bear! I immediately grabbed my cheap disposable camera
> out of my rig. I sometimes carry my 35 mm or digital camera but
> of course not today!
> I also called 911 to report the kill, there are only two small
> spots on that drive through the Rockies where I can get a cell and luckily
> I was in one of them . The Griz was dead from being hit
> sometime early in the dark no doubt as it was already stiff and it was
> only 6:35AM when I came by it.
> It was a young male I guessed to weigh 250-300 pounds. It was
> missing two claws, one (the ring finger) looked liked it was tore
> off in the wreck or recently as the bear went about doing his hardy bear
> work. The inside claw on the front right paw however was
> cleanly severed by what must have been a knife. Hopefully the
> motorist that hit it took it as a memento to his wrecked rig as
> there was some vehicle debris about. ItÆs still illegal but if
> anyone deserved it, it was he.
> I stayed by the carcass waiting for the sheriff to show up.
> Several people stopped to see what I was doing. I told them all
> ôCheck it out! ThatÆs a Griz!ö
> One traveler with Washington plates asked me if I minded if he cut
> off a claw?! I told go ahead if he wanted to get a big fine. He forgot
> about it being a protected species. Many people stopped to
> see the bear while I was there though never two vehicles at a time.
> The Brute was built pretty good! Nothing but muscle, bone, teeth,
> claws, fur and sinew! He stunk pretty good too! Not dead animal
> smell but wet dirty dog smell. Similar to a stinking coyote but much
> stronger. IÆve always heard about how Griz smell, especially their
> breath and I got to smell it. I thought to myself as I stood over
> it, öI hope I never smell this smell again with the tables turned, me on
> the ground and a Griz on top!ö.
> As I knelt there examining its teeth another motorist stopped and
> asked what it was. I told him it was a Griz and he asked, ôIs it
> alive?ö. I
> responded, öDo you think IÆd be this close to its head if it was?ö.
> Standing there looking at this Brute and he was just a young Griz,
> I thought back about our recent talk on the list about Griz guns. I looked
> at the Griz and thought about taking such a beast with my trade gun.....
> IÆve now changed my mind on the subject.
> I now want a fully automatic .12 ga shotgun loaded with 00
> buckshot! No more pump for me!
> bb
>
>
>
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<P><STRONG><FONT size=5>Driver hits, kills young grizzly<BR></FONT><FONT class=subhead></FONT></STRONG></P>
<P><FONT class=byline>By MICHAEL BABCOCK</FONT><BR><FONT class=affiliate>A young male grizzly bear was hit and killed by a vehicle on Highway 200 near Monture Creek west of Ovando early Friday and one of its claws had been removed as a souvenir. Great Falls truck driver and Tribune outdoor columnist Greg Muich reported the bear carcass about 6:30 a.m. "I was rolling along about 60 mph and I saw the bear. 'Wow! A dead bear. You don't see that too often.' I stopped and backed up and realized it was a grizzly bear. Somebody already had cut one of the claws off -- the thumb on the right side had clearly been cut off. "People were pulling up and wanting to cut the other claws off," Muich said, but he prevented them from doing that. Grizzly bears are federally protected as a threatened species, a less severe status than endangered. Muich said he called 9-1-1 and the dispatcher notified Fish, Wildlife & Parks. Bill Thomas, an information officer with Fish, Wildlife & Parks said the bear was about 225 pounds and estimated to be 2 years old. "We hate to lose any grizzly bears but if you have to lose one, a young male is probably in the most expendable portion of the western Montana grizzly bear population." The scene of the accident was between Ovando and the Clearwater Junction. Highway 200 long has been considered the southern boundary of grizzly bear territory but that has changed. Several years ago grizzlies began showing up well south of the east-west highway. Thomas said FWP is saving the hide and skull for educational purposes. A DNA sample was taken to see if the bear shows up in any of the hair samples as part of a massive study of grizzlies in the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem which north of Highway 200. "We hope that the driver and the vehicle are OK. We appreciate everybody's help. But whoever cut off the 'right hand thumb' is holding an illegal souvenir," he said. Thomas said one claw on the other front paw was badly damaged -- probably in the accident -- but does not have the appearance "of somebody grubbing with a knife to get it out." "These animals are the property of the state of Montana and cannot be given away or taken," he said. "There will be a story that goes out with this hide, minus one claw, that will help us relate the fact that you cannot stop and help yourself." Thomas said vehicles hit and kill a bear every couple of years. "It may occur a little more often than we are aware of because sometimes people abscond with these animals." According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem, one bear was killed by a car last year; five the year before; one in 2001, and two in 2000. Thomas said the bear was not collared and had no ear tags or lip or ear tattoos, so it was an unknown bear to FWP. Babcock can be reached by e-mail at triboutdoors@sofast.net or by phone at 791-1487 or (800) 438-6600.</FONT> </P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from beaverboy@sofast.net: -------------- <BR>> Dear List, <BR>> <BR>> My weekly drive to Missoula went as usual yesterday. It can be <BR>> a real bad drive in the winter but is a real pretty drive most <BR>> of the time. I usually reach the top of RogerÆs Pass around 5:45 AM <BR>> and let my engine cool off while I take a quick snooze unless <BR>> of course there is a blizzard on top but thatÆs only in the bad <BR>> snow months (Oct-May). I did take 20 winks and headed down the other <BR>> side. I was busy looking for a couple of moose that live just <BR>> on the west side of RogerÆs but didnÆt see them. I did <BR>> finally come across a scattered herd of elk. And since they <BR>> where on both sides of the highway I was concerned about <BR>> one crossing before me. None did however. <BR>> A few miles further I saw what I knew in an instance to be a dead <BR>> bear on the opposite shoulder of the road. IÆve seen a few bears <BR>> dead off the road before so it did not surprise me. There was no <BR>> mistaking the black shape and roundness, I knew it was a bear a <BR>> 1/4 mile away. As I zipped by at a very respectable 64 mph I <BR>> glanced over at it. It was a Griz!!! <BR>> I stopped my 80,000 pounds of rolling rubber and steel and backed <BR>> back up the 1/2 mile just across from the black carcass. Sure <BR>> enough, as I approached the big dead heap I saw it was indeed a <BR>> Grizzly bear! I immediately grabbed my cheap disposable camera <BR>> out of my rig. I sometimes carry my 35 mm or digital camera but <BR>> of course not today! <BR>> I also called 911 to report the kill, there are only two small <BR>> spots on that drive through the Rockies where I can get a cell and luckily <BR>> I was in one of them . The Griz was dead from being hit <BR>> sometime early in the dark no doubt as it was already stiff and it was <BR>> only 6:35AM when I came by it. <BR>> It was a young male I guessed to weigh 250-300 pounds. It was <BR>> missing two claws, one (the ring finger) looked liked it was tore <BR>> off in the wreck or recently as the bear went about doing his hardy bear <BR>> work. The inside claw on the front right paw however was <BR>> cleanly severed by what must have been a knife. Hopefully the <BR>> motorist that hit it took it as a memento to his wrecked rig as <BR>> there was some vehicle debris about. ItÆs still illegal but if <BR>> anyone deserved it, it was he. <BR>> I stayed by the carcass waiting for the sheriff to show up. <BR>> Several people stopped to see what I was doing. I told them all <BR>> ôCheck it out! ThatÆs a Griz!ö <BR>> One traveler with Washington plates asked me if I minded if he cut <BR>> off a claw?! I told go ahead if he wanted to get a big fine. He forgot <BR>> about it being a protected species. Many people stopped to <BR>> see the bear while I was there though never two vehicles at a time. <BR>> The Brute was built pretty good! Nothing but muscle, bone, teeth, <BR>> claws, fur and sinew! He stunk pretty good too! Not dead animal <BR>> smell but wet dirty dog smell. Similar to a stinking coyote but much <BR>> stronger. IÆve always heard about how Griz smell, especially their <BR>> breath and I got to smell it. I thought to myself as I stood over <BR>> it, öI hope I never smell this smell again with the tables turned, me on <BR>> the ground and a Griz on top!ö. <BR>> As I knelt there examining its teeth another motorist stopped and <BR>> asked what it was. I told him it was a Griz and he asked, ôIs it <BR>> alive?ö. I <BR>> responded, öDo you think IÆd be this close to its head if it was?ö. <BR>> Standing there looking at this Brute and he was just a young Griz, <BR>> I thought back about our recent talk on the list about Griz guns. I looked <BR>> at the Griz and thought about taking such a beast with my trade gun..... <BR>> IÆve now changed my mind on the subject. <BR>> I now want a fully automatic .12 ga shotgun loaded with 00 <BR>> buckshot! No more pump for me! <BR>> bb <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------- <BR>> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html </BLOCKQUOTE>
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Just goes to show what happens when you mix the wild in with the domestic. I sure hate to here about whole packs being killed, but thats our world today. The bear tales are great. Beaver, you sound like a otr drivr. Been that myself, and have seen lots o' the same varmints runnin the roads.The first bunch of moose I saw was over by Jackson Hole a couple of winters back, and of course elk all over New Mexico and Arizona. I saw one black bear cub down by Palestine, Tx. about four years ago. The P&W says their migrating in from the ozarks. Keep the stories coming.
beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:Thought this was interesting, most don't read about the wolf problems out
west as the liberal papers don't print it or hide it on the back page.
bb
WOLF PACK KILLED
Jul 23, 2004
The largest wolf pack in the state
is dead after the U-S Fish and Wildlife officers were directed to
kill them. The nine-wolf Cook pack near McCall was preying on domestic
sheep grazing on state and federal land in the area.
Authorities say the pack killed more
than 100 sheep belonging to one rancher. Wildlife services agents
shot and killed the wolves after attempts at hazing them away from
the sheep failed.
Sheep herders tried to prevent the
attacks by camping with the sheep and using cracker shells, sirens,
lights and other methods, but nothing worked.
Two other packs in the area, the
Partridge pack and the Hazard pack, are also believed to be killing
sheep. Those packs may also be killed.
In Idaho, there are an estimated
37 packs which number more than 350 wolves.
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<DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms">Just goes to show what happens when you mix the wild in with the domestic. I sure hate to here about whole packs being killed, but thats our world today. The bear tales are great. Beaver, you sound like a otr drivr. Been that myself, and have seen lots o' the same varmints runnin the roads.The first bunch of moose I saw was over by Jackson Hole a couple of winters back, and of course elk all over New Mexico and Arizona. I saw one black bear cub down by Palestine, Tx. about four years ago. The P&W says their migrating in from the ozarks. Keep the stories coming. </FONT><BR><BR><B><I>beaverboy@sofast.net</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Thought this was interesting, most don't read about the wolf problems out<BR>west as the liberal papers don't print it or hide it on the back page.<BR>bb<BR><BR><BR>WOLF PACK KILLED<BR><BR>Jul 23, 2004<BR><BR><BR><BR>The largest wolf pack in the state<BR>is dead after the U-S Fish and Wildlife officers were directed to<BR>kill them. The nine-wolf Cook pack near McCall was preying on domestic<BR>sheep grazing on state and federal land in the area.<BR><BR><BR>Authorities say the pack killed more<BR>than 100 sheep belonging to one rancher. Wildlife services agents<BR>shot and killed the wolves after attempts at hazing them away from<BR>the sheep failed.<BR><BR><BR>Sheep herders tried to prevent the<BR>attacks by camping with the sheep and using cracker shells, sirens,<BR>lights and other methods, but nothing worked.<BR><BR><BR>Two other packs in the area, the<BR>Partridge pack and the
Hazard pack, are also believed to be killing<BR>sheep. Those packs may also be killed.<BR><BR><BR>In Idaho, there are an estimated<BR>37 packs which number more than 350 wolves.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Frank and Gene, Thanks for the reply. Larry responded to me. Thanks to you two for your response. If I can get the pattern ready to go, I'll go that route. Otherwise I'll try to figure it out. Larry says he'll send me a pattern though. The local mission found out recently that the resident padre arranged for 3 russians to visit the Lompoc Mission from up North. The reason was to try to learn from them the science of windmill building. The Mission has a 'Candle Light ' tour every year. Folks come and explore the mission at night, and all sorts of scenerios are played out for the tour. George Thompson, Pat Quilter and I have been asked to portray the russian craftsmen. I'm trying to put together a believable outfit for this event. We'll have lots of fun, as we usually do when participating in Mission events. Check out some of the fun at this website; look under 'activities'. Thanks again, Randy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">here are some directions for a cap. If someone has already posted the directions, sorry for the repeat<BR><BR>frank sablan<BR>midland,texas<BR><BR><A href="http://www.northwestjournal.ca/XII3.htm">Making A Clerk's Cap</A> </FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Hey, Keith. Come in and welcome. If you've got a list of prices for elkskin, I'd be interested. Did you check out swrr list of rules for pilgrims. It's perty informative. I just started myself. Fun ain't it. Cannonball (Mike)
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Back when I started playing mountain man. One of the most troubling things to me, was the thought of walking around the wild country in soft soled un supportive mocs. the sharp rocks, prickly pear and other instant reminders of one's mortality. Seemed insurmountable with such seemingly flimsy footwear. I quickly found out, wearing soft soled mocs aint that bad..................... Not that a sharp rock or a prickly pear spine doesn't find it's unwelcome way in to my city feet once in a while. my feet have toughened in the years since i started wearing them. you quickly learn where and what you do not put your feet in or on. so much so, that it is done instinctively and without thinking.
as for winter time, i wear the same kind of mocs only they are lined with fur and wool both.
as a side note, i think if you have health issues like diabetes. you should guard you feet with your life and authenticity certainly should take a back seat to your health.
Tom, AMM#1834
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<DIV>Back when I started playing mountain man. One of the most troubling things to me, was the thought of walking around the wild country in soft soled un supportive mocs. the sharp rocks, prickly pear and other instant reminders of one's mortality. Seemed insurmountable with such seemingly flimsy footwear. I quickly found out, wearing soft soled mocs aint that bad..................... Not that a sharp rock or a prickly pear spine doesn't find it's unwelcome way in to my city feet once in a while. my feet have toughened in the years since i started wearing them. you quickly learn where and what you do not put your feet in or on. so much so, that it is done instinctively and without thinking. </DIV>
<DIV>as for winter time, i wear the same kind of mocs only they are lined with fur and wool both.</DIV>
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<DIV>as a side note, i think if you have health issues like diabetes. you should guard you feet with your life and authenticity certainly should take a back seat to your health. </DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Keith, I've always appreciated a good supportive, hard sole moccasin. I broke my heel bone almost a year and a half ago, and I'm still gimpy from it. Needless to say, I appreciate good footware even more now. You might want to check out Fugawee boots and shoes. They are periodic correct, and are shoes and boots. The cost isn't much, if any , more than good mocs. Stitchin' Scotsman makes some good hard sole side seam mocs, if you want to stick to mocs. Just a suggestion. Randy</DIV>
I agree with Tom. I too started out as a tender foot! I even had dyers. Over time I have become very comfortable with my soft sole mocs. In fact I enjoy them, they are like a pair of socks. I even bring them on modern camps and hunts. The more you wear them the more your feet toughen up. Its all about getting acclimated and just how far you want to go in being P.C.,as well as your health.Just remember we are doing this for fun and those men did this stuff for a living.
I wear side seams and pucker-toes since I portray a trapper in the rocky mtn west during the 1830s.All of mine are double sole, this helps a lot. When things get rough I will cut out pads of hair on buffalo, deer or elk. Its like cheating, it feels so good.
I have used elk, deer,buffalo and moose. In both commercial and braintan. I prefer braintan, but commercial works fine. The elk and moose seem to hold up much better in my experience. One thing to remember is that nothing waterproofs them! Alway carry two pairs. The fit is the most important thing of all, make sure the seams don't rub.
Gee,I always thought the upper Missouri had something to do with the RMFT, didn't it?
Bill G
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Keith, as you have probably already guessed, the AMM members are a pretty outspoken group, and are always willing to lend a bit of helpful advice. check out stitchinscotsman's page. lots of good stuff. Also look at woodenhawks post. Enjoy some fine camaraderie and keep yer powder dry. M
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<DIV>Keith, as you have probably already guessed, the AMM members are a pretty outspoken group, and are always willing to lend a bit of helpful advice. check out stitchinscotsman's page. lots of good stuff. Also look at woodenhawks post. Enjoy some fine camaraderie and keep yer powder dry. M</DIV><p>
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