My boss had me come in to his office one day to see a couple of black powder
muzzle loading pistols he had picked up at an estate sale cheap. He really
wanted me to give him a value. The first was a cheap Japan manufacture .75
smoothbore with a bad lock and trigger no problem no real value. But the
second was a .32 or .36 ( I did not mic it) double barrel cap lock and look
to be an original (I did not compare proof marks or manufacturers marks) but
it did not have a ram rod. I do not no why I did it, I suppose it is habit,
but I took the ramrod from the Jap pistol and checked the doubles barrels.
BOTH were loaded. And he had it sitting on his desk aimed at his best
employee (not me, the CFO).
I have a friend that worked in a gun store for years and he admits to having
a wall hanger flint lock come in for an estimate as to value. He cocked it
without priming, pulled the trigger and shot a hole threw the roof. Last
time he pulled the trigger without checking the status of the barrel.
So as the old saying goes every gun should be treated as a loaded gun.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T.Oakes
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<BR>My boss had me come in to his office one day to see a couple of black powder muzzle loading pistols he had picked up at an estate sale cheap. He really wanted me to give him a value. The first was a cheap Japan manufacture .75 smoothbore with a bad lock and trigger no problem no real value. But the second was a .32 or .36 ( I did not mic it) double barrel cap lock and look to be an original (I did not compare proof marks or manufacturers marks) but it did not have a ram rod. I do not no why I did it, I suppose it is habit, but I took the ramrod from the Jap pistol and checked the doubles barrels. BOTH were loaded. And he had it sitting on his desk aimed at his best employee (not me, the CFO).
<BR>
<BR>I have a friend that worked in a gun store for years and he admits to having a wall hanger flint lock come in for an estimate as to value. He cocked it without priming, pulled the trigger and shot a hole threw the roof. Last time he pulled the trigger without checking the status of the barrel.
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<BR>So as the old saying goes every gun should be treated as a loaded gun.
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<BR>Y.M.O.S.
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Subject: MtMan-List: Last Chance ---- Need Walhangers!!!
Date: 14 Jan 2003 03:33:39 EST
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The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their first little
one so the opening has been moved up!)
We are still looking for:
If you live anywhere near St. Louis:
1. Old guns for wallhangers. Nothing expensive. Doesn't need to look
fancy. Doesn't have to be shootable. Just cheap and wall hangable!
If you live anywhere:
2. Pelts. Nothing fancy. Just things you've got settin' around
collecting
dust and irritating the little woman.
3. Old rusty traps.
Thanks! And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near St Louis
looking for a new place to check out. We'll be giving a 10% discount
to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire.
Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their first little<BR>
one so the opening has been moved up!) <BR>
<BR>
We are still looking for:<BR>
<BR>
If you live anywhere near St. Louis:<BR>
1. Old guns for wallhangers. Nothing expensive. Doesn't need to look fancy. Doesn't have to be shootable. Just cheap and wall hangable!<BR>
<BR>
If you live anywhere:<BR>
2. Pelts. Nothing fancy. Just things you've got settin' around collecting<BR>
dust and irritating the little woman.<BR>
<BR>
3. Old rusty traps.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks! And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near St Louis<BR>
looking for a new place to check out. We'll be giving a 10% discount<BR>
to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Traphand<BR>
Rick Petzoldt<BR>
Traphand@aol.com<BR>
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<BR>As for hump ribs on a buff they are the short ribs that stick up off the spine that form the hump on the buff. As a rule is area on the buff has a layer of yellow fat over it. Which may be part of the reason that made this a prized cut of meat beings how they seemed to be fat starved and liked this type of fare. While part of the back straps do go up this far they are a bit more tender less greasy a little further down the back and more to my liking.
<BR>See ya in the gut pile looking for boudins.
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Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury across the Laramie
Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows. Stansbury wrote of
"butchering mountain fashion" : the skinning process commences by making an
incision along the top of the backbone, and separating the hide downward, so
as to get the more quickly at what are considered the choice parts of the
animal. These are the "bass," a hump projecting from the back of the neck
just before the shoulders, and which is generally removed with the skin
attached: it is about the size of a man's head, and when boiled, resembles
marrow, being exceedingly tender, rich, and nutritious. Next comes the "hump"
and the "hump ribs," projections of the vertebrae just behind the shoulders,
some of which are a foot in length. These are generally broken off by a
mallet made of the lower joint of one of the forelegs, cut off of the
purpose. After these come the "fleece," portions of flesh covering the
ribs; the "depuis," a broad. fat part extending from the shoulders to the
tail; the "belly fleece," some of the ribs, called "side ribs," to
distinguish them from the hump ribs; the thigh or marrow-bones, and the
tongue. Generally the animal is opened and the tenderloin and tallow secured.
All the rest, including the hams and shoulders-indeed by far the greater
portion of the animal-is left on the ground. When buffalo are plenty, the
hump, bass, and tongue-very frequently only the latter-are taken, and
occasionally a marrowbone for a tit-bit."
It may be 1850, but it was still pretty the same when it came to buffalo.
Bill G.
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Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury across the Laramie Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows. Stansbury wrote of "butchering mountain fashion" : the skinning process commences by making an incision along the top of the backbone, and separating the hide downward, so as to get the more quickly at what are considered the choice parts of the animal. These are the "bass," a hump projecting from the back of the neck just before the shoulders, and which is generally removed with the skin attached: it is about the size of a man's head, and when boiled, resembles marrow, being exceedingly tender, rich, and nutritious. Next comes the "hump" and the "hump ribs," projections of the vertebrae just behind the shoulders, some of which are a foot in length. These are generally broken off by a mallet made of the lower joint of one of the forelegs, cut off of the purpose. After these come the "fleece," portions of flesh covering the ribs; the "depuis," a broad. fat part extending from the shoulders to the tail; the "belly fleece," some of the ribs, called "side ribs," to distinguish them from the hump ribs; the thigh or marrow-bones, and the tongue. Generally the animal is opened and the tenderloin and tallow secured. All the rest, including the hams and shoulders-indeed by far the greater portion of the animal-is left on the ground. When buffalo are plenty, the hump, bass, and tongue-very frequently only the latter-are taken, and occasionally a marrowbone for a tit-bit."<BR>
It may be 1850, but it was still pretty the same when it came to buffalo.<BR>
Bill G.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0"></B></I><BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Frank, Nothing in the 1828, but here's the link you requested. Barney<BR>
It would be best to have two sets of good winter clothing to use. Alot of people always mention a change of clothing for the waist down, but forget that you will be using your arms and if you have a long capote or jacket on, the sleeves and lower part can get wet too.
Chances are you will be setting, running traps and then seddattling back to camp. Check the weather, will it be snowing?
What kind of snow? Cold or just cool? All of this will effect the kind of clothes you choose.
Runs are a good set to start with, you can set them in fairly shallow water and still get good results. I agree with beaverboy on the use of wire. Another thing to remember that if the place you will be setting is new to you, mark a tree or put a marker up from it on the bank to help you find the set if it snows alot or ice freezes over the set.
Main thing to remember is that you will learn and have fun no matter what happens. Keep your self safe and take pictures!
Come prepared to finish the job when done. Have everything you need to skin, flesh and hoop the hides. If you want to get a full picture of what it was like, do the needed camp chores in camp.
A long stick with a fork on the end or short piece sticking up will save you from having to get a trap out of the water (or finding it, if it has been moved) and also help with maintaining your balance when in the water.
mike.
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> Hello the Camp
I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those
that
have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear to wade in
the cold water and any advice they have.
Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was used
in
conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line attached to
the
drag and to the float stick. this would allow the trapper to find the drag
and retrieve it from deep water with beaver and trap in tow without
getting
so wet.
your thoughts
Mark Roadkill Loader
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I was at a saddle shop today and saw some old wooden stirrups hanging on the
wall. He said he would sell them. Although not of this period he also had
two saddles dating back to 1880 or so. and two old bits from as far back as
1850. If interested contact me off list and I will give you his e-mail and
other infro. I have.
TrapRJoe
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I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages
268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake
of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic
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Well, little Joe ya can get your self off the same way ya got your self on.
If what was at the bottom of your post is the way you feal your going to be
mighty hungry and clod in these here Rockies, flat landau. Animals were made
for eaten and warein or you were made for dyin and that is just the way it
was.
Best Regards,
Crazy Cyot
you said:
Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness
they die.( That is what happens to them that went in to the mountains
thinking,)
Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment
That's what you think! Flat lander, Meats Meat and without it and something
to protect ya from the elements your just gone beaver! my friend.
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<BR>If what was at the bottom of your post is the way you feal your going to be mighty hungry and clod in these here Rockies, flat landau. Animals were made for eaten and warein or you were made for dyin and that is just the way it was.
<BR>Best Regards,
<BR>Crazy Cyot
<BR>you said:
<BR>Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness
<BR>they die.( That is what happens to them that went in to the mountains thinking,)
<BR>Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment
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<BR>That's what you think! Flat lander, Meats Meat and without it and something to protect ya from the elements your just gone beaver! my friend.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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<BR>You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.
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Mr Oakes,
I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list, (also a number to several other lists that we evidently both belong to.) to call everyone to arms in regard to a bill that died in committee a long time ago. I don't know where you got your info from, but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s), you would have seen that there has been no action on that particular bill since April of 2001. That makes it a dead issue. In the future, please check your information before getting your breechclout in a twist.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>My apologise to the list for the multipule postings. I sent the message one time but based on my in box and Alan Avery's message it some how got repeated multipule times.
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I too, do not appreciate so many repeat emails... but... since Mr. Oakes has not "spammed" the list in the past... and since cyber space sometimes does strange things, like getting stuck and sending repeat emails... which I've experienced on this list and other lists... I will "assume" the best intentions from Mr. Oakes and "assume" that this is a clitch in cyber world. Maybe I'm being naive for "assuming" so much (BG).
Tim
who ain't used to so much cold and has too much time on his hands and usually doesn't have to time to respond to message like this
"...Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms"..."
Mr Oakes,
I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list... [snip] but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s)... [snip]
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Paul,
I would try Donna at Trails West. She specializes in western amerciana and would be a good place to start. I use her and i think some others on the list, like jim Hardee.
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In a message dated 1/31/2003 11:19:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pwjones@myexcel.com writes:
> volumes with many first editions, etc.
Pablo, I have a buddy who collects 1st Editions of all types. Contact me
offlist and I'll give you his info. Barney
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists
Date: 31 Jan 2003 20:03:38 -0800 (PST)
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beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:Dear List,
I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able
to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range.
Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock
rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54
swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me.
I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54
with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that?
I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so
I need to make the right choice.
I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance.
beaverboy
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hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlSir: I don't know what you want to spend. I will just talk quality. I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. Chambers kits are made from the best components money can buy : hard rock maple pre-turned stocks, siler or chambers locks, good brass hardware, Getz swamped barrels 42" long .54 cal, c-weight guns. They balance well when assembled. They come pre-shaped and partially inletted. If you are a little handy with tools you can turn it into a fine plain ky style rifle. You can make the lancaster kit look like the contract rifle of 1792. Those were all built in Lancaster county by several different top quality builders: Dickert, Gumpf, etc. The 1792 contract rifles also look very similiar to the type B late pattern lancaster english trade rifles. Many of these were in the western territories. I hope this helps you. I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re-creating the Penn. long rifle.
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