Simon Turley, Charlie Autobees and Tom Tobin are all Southwestern whiskey
traders. Turley had his distillery at Arroyo Hondo north of Taos until he
was burned out and killed by the insurrectionists. He was the source of much
of the Aguadiente we hear so much about. Autobees and Tobin (two
half-brothers to each other) worked for him.
John R. Sweet
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Simon Turley, Charlie Autobees and Tom Tobin are all Southwestern whiskey traders. Turley had his distillery at Arroyo Hondo north of Taos until he was burned out and killed by the insurrectionists. He was the source of much of the Aguadiente we hear so much about. Autobees and Tobin (two half-brothers to each other) worked for him.<BR>
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How about the Comanche Nat'l Grasslands in Colorado? Around the Purgatoire
River? (Bent's Fort country)
John R. Sweet
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was<BR>
According to Charles Hanson in his book "The Plains Rifle", the Hawkin Brothers did upgrades to existing rifles built by other gun makers. Upgrades usually included reboring, re-rifling & shortening the barrel to Hawkin specs. Of course, they stamped such barrels with their marks to indicate they'd done the upgrade. Perhaps this is an example?<BR>
Try Lietzau Taxidermy, Cosmo, Minnesota. Don't think they have a website, so
you'll have to call, but they got 'em! Barney
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In a message dated 10/10/2002 8:11:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
drsimm@juno.com writes:
> Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers
<A HREF="http://www.hideandfur.com/">hideandfur.com - Moscow Hide and Fur</A>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 10/10/2002 8:11:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, drsimm@juno.com writes:<BR>
I looked at your barrels. They look good if all of the barrels look as good as the section you published then you have some nice looking brown barrels. Damascus barrels were originally browned so the beautiful pattern of twisted metal would show through. The steel and iron wire was twisted in many different patterns so that when welded and polished these patterns would show. to re-brown them and hide the pattern would defeat the original gunsmiths plan to let the pattern show. Of course you should do what you think is best. Read WW Greener "The Gun and Its Development" He tries to give a simplified description of the process involved in browning damascus barrels so only the iron was browned and the steel was left in the white. His description is not in enough detail for a gunsmith to work with. In this space it is too difficult to describe what is involved in properly "blacking" english barrels. I suggest you contact someone like Churchhill about having these barrels re-browned properly.
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:Wooooohooooo!
After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga
Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never
been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more
"in the white" as I see them.
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My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the
"figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking
rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown
stuff....suggestions?
I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were
worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned
they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder....
Ymos,
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<P>I looked at your barrels. They look good if all of the barrels look as good as the section you published then you have some nice looking brown barrels. Damascus barrels were originally browned so the beautiful pattern of twisted metal would show through. The steel and iron wire was twisted in many different patterns so that when welded and polished these patterns would show. to re-brown them and hide the pattern would defeat the original gunsmiths plan to let the pattern show. Of course you should do what you think is best. Read WW Greener "The Gun and Its Development" He tries to give a simplified description of the process involved in browning damascus barrels so only the iron was browned and the steel was left in the white. His description is not in enough detail for a gunsmith to work with. In this space it is too difficult to describe what is involved in properly "blacking" english barrels. I suggest you contact someone like Churchhill about having these barrels re-browned properly.
<P> <B><I>SWcushing@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Wooooohooooo! <BR><BR>After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga <BR>Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never <BR>been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more <BR>"in the white" as I see them. <BR><A href="http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg">db.jpg</A> <BR>http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg<BR><BR>My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the <BR>"figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking <BR>rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown <BR>stuff....suggestions?<BR><BR>I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were <BR>worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned <BR>they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder....<G><BR><BR>Ymos,<BR>Magpie<BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
In a message dated 10/16/2002 12:30:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ghickman9@attbi.com writes:
> Silk ribbon was used then and is still available
IIRC the term for the type of silk ribbon used then, and still available
today, is grosgrain (pronounced grow-grain), which has a line-like texture to
it.
Barney
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Silk ribbon was used then and is still available</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><P ALIGN=CENTER><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">does anyone where one can get some of these spurs<BR>
I have found the following address for Roman Gillitzer if it is the same one. But I am willing to bet it is , since the snail mail addy is in Montana same as Schmidt<BR>
Subject: MtMan-List: please help with my pioneer project
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My name is Caleb Sweet. I am in the third grade in Palmer Lake Colorado. I am
studying pioneers. I need at least three recipes for pioneer food. The
recipes need to be from the Santa Fe Trail. I need to know the primary
sources that the recipes come from. My dad is a historian but he says I have
to do it myself.
Sincerely,
Caleb Sweet
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<BR>
Sincerely,<BR>
<BR>
Caleb Sweet<BR>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: please help with my pioneer project
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Caleb, Do you have a time period you must stay within? I have lots of
receipts from the mid-to-late 1800's...... but they are not within the
Fur-Trade Period, ending about 1840. Is that important? Barney
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 19:44:48 -0800 (PST)
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I will give you one recipe source and the name of the dish. But you have to look up the source and find out the inredients yourself. Look up a book by Susan Shelby McGoffin, called: Down The Sante Fe Trail And Into Mexico. The name of the dish is :
Posole. You can also find a recipe for this dish and others in a book by Sam Arnold: Eating Up The Sante Fe Trail. Good luck. Michael Branson
Hawkengun@aol.com wrote:My name is Caleb Sweet. I am in the third grade in Palmer Lake Colorado. I am studying pioneers. I need at least three recipes for pioneer food. The recipes need to be from the Santa Fe Trail. I need to know the primary sources that the recipes come from. My dad is a historian but he says I have to do it myself.
Sincerely,
Caleb Sweet
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<P>I will give you one recipe source and the name of the dish. But you have to look up the source and find out the inredients yourself. Look up a book by Susan Shelby McGoffin, called: <EM><STRONG>Down The Sante Fe Trail And Into Mexico</STRONG></EM>. The name of the dish is :
<P>Posole. You can also find a recipe for this dish and others in a book by Sam Arnold: <STRONG><EM>Eating Up The Sante Fe Trail.</EM></STRONG> Good luck. Michael Branson
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<DIV>Caleb, check out this web site..... <A href="http://waltonfeed.com/old/mama/index.html">http://waltonfeed.com/old/mama/index.html</A> Also there is a book available called :</DIV>
<DIV>"Eating up the Santa Fe Trail" by Sam'l P. Arnold ISBN: 0-87081-187-8 How much time do have before your project is due? I have this book, but don't want to be doing your homework for you. If you are in a big hurry, and your Dad says it's ok, I could type out some recipes for you. hardtack</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">My name is Caleb Sweet. I am in the third grade in Palmer Lake Colorado. I am studying pioneers. I need at least three recipes for pioneer food. The recipes need to be from the Santa Fe Trail. I need to know the primary sources that the recipes come from. My dad is a historian but he says I have to do it myself. <BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Caleb Sweet<BR></FONT></FONT>
Thanks for helping my boy out with his project. He'll be back here with me on Sat. night and he'll be back to work on this project soon. I'm going to make him write out the recipes w/ quill and India ink, then he'll have to cook up the grub for his class using period gear, etc.<BR>
<BR>
Again, thanks for the help guys, and I'll have Caleb get back on here and thank you all personally this weekend.<BR>
<BR>
Hope everybody has had a good hunting season so far. I'm headed out for the first time this season on Sat.<BR>
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Adios,<BR>
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Caleb's dad<BR>
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A while back someone was looking for wood sturups. I have seen a pain in a
junk store where I live. If someone is interested I will take a picture and
get back to you off the list. Let me know.
TrapRJoe
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