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From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: "Don't Tread on Me" Date: 01 Sep 2002 12:0:18 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>I just read on the internet that the U.S. Navy has ordered all of its ships to fly the Rattlesnake "Don't Tread on Me" flag.....Huzzah !!!! hardtack</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jody & Scott" <sjsdm@conpoint.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Calendar? Date: 01 Sep 2002 14:07:28 -0500 Esteemed List Members, Hope you all are enjoying your Labor Day weekend. I was wondering if anyone has come across any historical calendars in your travels? Something suitable for an office wall, which would allow me to see where I really want to be.... Mountain man, War of 1812, Rev. War, F&I War, or leatherstocking (in no particular order)...basically anything pre-1840.. Anything but the Civil War stuff I have been finding.... In advance, I thank you... YMOS, Scott C sjsdm@conpoint.com In God Alone I Trust ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calendar? Date: 01 Sep 2002 15:01:51 -0500 Scott Click here http://www2.tok2.com/home/kaji/cal/cal.cgi?1827 for a number of early 19th century calendars. The catch is that only the dates/days are given, no "hang on the wall' calendars are there. However, there are numerous calendar software packages that enable you to make your own calendars using any art you want. I have toyed with the idea of making some calendars and your post might kick me into gear to do it soon. I am about to purchase a top quality printer and vintage looking calendars would be a nice first project. There are collectors of antique calendars around, but my guess is that any really desirable calendars are pricy. Get on Google.com and start digging. YMOS Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:07 PM > Esteemed List Members, > > Hope you all are enjoying your Labor Day weekend. I was wondering if anyone > has come across any historical calendars in your travels? Something > suitable for an office wall, which would allow me to see where I really want > to be.... Mountain man, War of 1812, Rev. War, F&I War, or leatherstocking > (in no particular order)...basically anything pre-1840.. Anything but the > Civil War stuff I have been finding.... > > In advance, I thank you... > > YMOS, > Scott C > sjsdm@conpoint.com > In God Alone I Trust > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 12:41:35 -0400 If any of you have not heard about the new regulations for the Alafia Rendezvous....check out their site and be prepared. Here is a copy of a message just sent to the Southeastern News letter. Thanks so much for helping to get the word out about the Fire Inspectors Order. I personally find it hard to believe that the Fire Inspector will have the time to inspect 1000 camps personally. The Florida Frontiersmen don't have to man power to so. I imagine that the Traders especially the food vendors will have the worst of it! Any way at the meeting this weekend the Florida Frontiersmen's President passed on this recipe for a Fire Retardant: Fire Retardant 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax 4 oz. Boric Acid 1 gal. Luke warm water Spray or paint onto canvas. I would assume that it will last longer...not wash off if you apply to the inside of canvas. Keep your receipts as proof. If you were at the Alafia last year and saw the big fire that consumed the food vendor tent, Jack Hall's, then I'm sure you will agree it's better to be safe than sorry. The Hall's were very lucky in that no one was in the tent when the propane tank burst into flame!! I love historical events, it's what most of us live for...but we have to use our modern knowledge to keep ourselves safe so we can make it to the next event. Okay I'm off my soapbox now <grin> Back to lurker mode <another grin> Your humble servant, Teena Manyscalps Thomas Webmistress, Florida Frontiersmen www.floridafrontiersmen.org ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 14:09:45 -0400 > Fire Retardant > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > 4 oz. Boric Acid > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > Spray or paint onto canvas. Checked my wife's books, and it seems this will make a good fire retardant... I am going to spray mine on with a NEW bug sprayer... remember to use a new one so your tent won't smel like Malathion or some such..... YECH!!!!! Regards, Ad and Mouse Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 18:36:03 -0400 Hey Tina... Come back out of Lurker mode again :) Any chance of getting a YEA or NAY from the Fire Dept down there as to whether of not this will be accepted as being a fire retadant? Personally, I'd hate to go to all the trouble to do this and then have thee Bureaucrats say that this wasn't good enough for them. Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" <troberts2@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 20:45:03 -0400 It is unfortunate, but not unexpected, that all will have to bear the brunt of compliance with this new regulation rather than resolve the true cause of the mishap which was likely an unsafe propane setup. Propane is very unforgiving. It makes far more sense to me to require anyone wishing to use propane (or any other pressurized fuel) to have their setup inspected and approved by someone knowledgeable, plus their shelter should be retardant but a fire retardant shelter does not guarantee there won't be a fire. My oilcloth diamond fly is about as combustable as a shelter can get, but I don't burn stuff under it or near it. I guess I'll sprinkle some borax on it and call it good? I really doubt it will be possible for either the local fire mashall or the Florida Frontiersman to enforce this new plan but at least I feel safer knowing that some government agency cares about my well being. In some not-too-distant year, a wind-blown shelter will injure someone, resulting in a new requirement that all stakes be driven to a depth not less than 36 inches and load tested. Well at least I feel better now, Tom ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:41 PM > If any of you have not heard about the new regulations for the > Alafia Rendezvous....check out their site and be prepared. > > Here is a copy of a message just sent to the Southeastern News > letter. > > Thanks so much for helping to get the word out about the Fire > Inspectors Order. > I personally find it hard to believe that the Fire Inspector will > > have the time to inspect 1000 camps personally. The Florida > Frontiersmen don't have to man power to so. I imagine that the > Traders especially the food vendors will have the worst of it! > Any way at the meeting this weekend the Florida Frontiersmen's > President passed on this recipe for a Fire Retardant: > Fire Retardant > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > 4 oz. Boric Acid > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > Spray or paint onto canvas. > > I would assume that it will last longer...not wash off if you > apply > to the inside of canvas. Keep your receipts as proof. > If you were at the Alafia last year and saw the big fire that > consumed the food vendor tent, Jack Hall's, then I'm sure you > will > agree it's better to be safe than sorry. The Hall's were very > lucky > in that no one was in the tent when the propane tank burst into > flame!! > I love historical events, it's what most of us live for...but we > have > to use our modern knowledge to keep ourselves safe so we can make > it > to the next event. > Okay I'm off my soapbox now <grin> Back to lurker mode <another > grin> > Your humble servant, > Teena Manyscalps Thomas > Webmistress, Florida Frontiersmen > www.floridafrontiersmen.org > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: FW: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 18:48:5 -0700 > We're from the Government, and we're here to help you...... When you hear this, it is time to run as fast as you can in the opposite direction. Good luck with flame repellent canvas, a run away propane tank will melt metal.... we need more sheet metal lean tos, in my humble opinion.....<g> hardtack > > > > > > It is unfortunate, but not unexpected, that all will have to bear the brunt > > of compliance with this new regulation rather than resolve the true cause of > > the mishap which was likely an unsafe propane setup. Propane is very > > unforgiving. It makes far more sense to me to require anyone wishing to > > use propane (or any other pressurized fuel) to have their setup inspected > > and approved by someone knowledgeable, plus their shelter should be > > retardant but a fire retardant shelter does not guarantee there won't be a > > fire. My oilcloth diamond fly is about as combustable as a shelter can get, > > but I don't burn stuff under it or near it. I guess I'll sprinkle some > > borax on it and call it good? I really doubt it will be possible for > > either the local fire mashall or the Florida Frontiersman to enforce this > > new plan but at least I feel safer knowing that some government agency cares > > about my well being. In some not-too-distant year, a wind-blown shelter > > will injure someone, resulting in a new requirement that all stakes be > > driven to a depth not less than 36 inches and load tested. > > > > Well at least I feel better now, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > If any of you have not heard about the new regulations for the > > > Alafia Rendezvous....check out their site and be prepared. > > > > > > Here is a copy of a message just sent to the Southeastern News > > > letter. > > > > > > Thanks so much for helping to get the word out about the Fire > > > Inspectors Order. > > > I personally find it hard to believe that the Fire Inspector will > > > > > > have the time to inspect 1000 camps personally. The Florida > > > Frontiersmen don't have to man power to so. I imagine that the > > > Traders especially the food vendors will have the worst of it! > > > Any way at the meeting this weekend the Florida Frontiersmen's > > > President passed on this recipe for a Fire Retardant: > > > Fire Retardant > > > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > > > 4 oz. Boric Acid > > > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > > > > > Spray or paint onto canvas. > > > > > > I would assume that it will last longer...not wash off if you > > > apply > > > to the inside of canvas. Keep your receipts as proof. > > > If you were at the Alafia last year and saw the big fire that > > > consumed the food vendor tent, Jack Hall's, then I'm sure you > > > will > > > agree it's better to be safe than sorry. The Hall's were very > > > lucky > > > in that no one was in the tent when the propane tank burst into > > > flame!! > > > I love historical events, it's what most of us live for...but we > > > have > > > to use our modern knowledge to keep ourselves safe so we can make > > > it > > > to the next event. > > > Okay I'm off my soapbox now <grin> Back to lurker mode <another > > > grin> > > > Your humble servant, > > > Teena Manyscalps Thomas > > > Webmistress, Florida Frontiersmen > > > www.floridafrontiersmen.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/m --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have N ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: FW: AMM-List: David Wright Print Date: 02 Sep 2002 18:49:29 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"> </DIV><FONT size=2> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Hello Brothers, As you may know, the A.M.M. is selling David Wrights recently released print "Climbing the Western Slope", published by Gray Stone Press. This is a signed and numbered edition, 995 copies available. I can send anyone a picture of the print and an order form via e-mail, all you have to do is ask. I also have full color brochures available by mail, again for the asking. I sent a letter, order form, and a few brochures to every Brigade Booshway, you can contact yours, too. The prints sell for $165 (including shipping). The A.M.M. gets to keep $50 of this for the Land fund. We can buy them for ourselves, or sell to others. Just make sure the order forms go through me, the Land fund clerk, so that we get our cut. As an incentive to sell to others, Mike Powell (UT) has offered to make a 4 pt. Whitney Capote for whoever sells the most copies of the print by Dec. 31, 2002. So, take a copy of the pic, and some order blanks to your next rendezvous, living history event, etc.... Sell some prints- get a chance to be wearing a custom capote next year- AND help out the Land Fund all at the same time. </DIV> <DIV> Help me spread the word on this PLEASE. This is a great opportunity for us, thanks to our brother David Wright. </DIV> <DIV>Let me know if you need more info., brochures, e-mail pic and order form, etc....</DIV> <DIV> Yfab, Randy 'hardtack' Bublitz</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>-------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays!</BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 02 Sep 2002 21:50:18 -0400 > I really doubt it will be possible for > either the local fire mashall or the Florida Frontiersman to enforce this As Linda or Tina said... probably over 1000 camps and some poor shcmuck is gonna inspect every one? RIGHT!!! > In some not-too-distant year, a wind-blown shelter > will injure someone, resulting in a new requirement that all stakes be > driven to a depth not less than 36 inches and load tested. Yep... just let the EPA Camel get it's nose under the tent... sheesh!! And lets not forget OSHA and the rest of the "alphabet" agencies that regulate things... One idjit leaves his pilot light on, and look what happens... The government is gonna protect us from birth to the grave, even if it kills us!! I will use the mixture on my Bell WEdge.. the markee is fire retardant... and go from there... Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" <stitchin@sirisonline.com> Subject: MtMan-List: David Wright Print Date: 02 Sep 2002 21:10:15 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C252C5.226D7970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hardtack, Email me a picture when you get a sec. Thanks, Long John =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randal Bublitz=20 To: hist_text=20 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: MtMan-List: FW: AMM-List: David Wright Print Hello Brothers, As you may know, the A.M.M. is selling David = Wrights recently released print "Climbing the Western Slope", published = by Gray Stone Press. This is a signed and numbered edition, 995 copies = available. I can send anyone a picture of the print and an order form = via e-mail, all you have to do is ask. I also have full color brochures = available by mail, again for the asking. I sent a letter, order form, = and a few brochures to every Brigade Booshway, you can contact yours, = too. The prints sell for $165 (including shipping). The A.M.M. gets to = keep $50 of this for the Land fund. We can buy them for ourselves, or = sell to others. Just make sure the order forms go through me, the Land = fund clerk, so that we get our cut. As an incentive to sell to others, = Mike Powell (UT) has offered to make a 4 pt. Whitney Capote for whoever = sells the most copies of the print by Dec. 31, 2002. So, take a copy of = the pic, and some order blanks to your next rendezvous, living history = event, etc.... Sell some prints- get a chance to be wearing a custom = capote next year- AND help out the Land Fund all at the same time. =20 Help me spread the word on this PLEASE. This is a great = opportunity for us, thanks to our brother David Wright.=20 Let me know if you need more info., brochures, e-mail pic and order = form, etc.... Yfab, Randy = 'hardtack' Bublitz --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Borrowing it from our Children -------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! ---------------------- = hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C252C5.226D7970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Hardtack,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"> Email me a = picture=20 when you get a sec. Thanks, Long John </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drjbublitz@earthlink.net = href=3D"mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">Randal=20 Bublitz</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@xmission.com=20 href=3D"mailto:hist_text@xmission.com">hist_text</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 02, = 2002 8:49=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: FW: = AMM-List: David=20 Wright Print</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"> </DIV><FONT size=3D2> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Hello Brothers, As you may know, the A.M.M. = is=20 selling David Wrights recently released print "Climbing the Western = Slope",=20 published by Gray Stone Press. This is a signed and numbered = edition,=20 995 copies available. I can send anyone a picture of the print = and an=20 order form via e-mail, all you have to do is ask. I also have full = color=20 brochures available by mail, again for the asking. I sent a = letter,=20 order form, and a few brochures to every Brigade Booshway, you = can=20 contact yours, too. The prints sell for $165 (including=20 shipping). The A.M.M. gets to keep $50 of this for the Land=20 fund. We can buy them for ourselves, or sell to others. Just = make sure=20 the order forms go through me, the Land fund clerk, so that we get = our=20 cut. As an incentive to sell to others, Mike Powell (UT) has = offered=20 to make a 4 pt. Whitney Capote for whoever sells the most copies of = the=20 print by Dec. 31, 2002. So, take a copy of the pic, and some = order=20 blanks to your next rendezvous, living history event, etc.... = Sell=20 some prints- get a chance to be wearing a custom capote next year- = AND help=20 out the Land Fund all at the same time. </DIV> <DIV> Help me spread the word on this PLEASE. This = is a=20 great opportunity for us, thanks to our brother David Wright. </DIV> <DIV>Let me know if you need more info., brochures, e-mail pic and = order=20 form, etc....</DIV> = <DIV> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; =20 Yfab, Randy 'hardtack' Bublitz</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV>= <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>-------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays!=20 ---------------------- hist_text list info:=20 http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html = </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C252C5.226D7970-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 03 Sep 2002 06:32:28 -0400 The propane was only one of many fires in the history of Alafia. All the other fires were were mostly in tipis that burned because of carelessness with camp fires. So lets not blame the propane only in this situation. We all must remember that an unattended fire or that little bit of grease will catch the camp on fire. A couple of the fires were from good old cooking fires and people who put floors over straw for more comfort and that caught on fire. So we are all responsible for making sure we do not burn down our own or others camps. Linda HOlley Tom Roberts wrote: > It is unfortunate, but not unexpected, that all will have to bear the brunt > of compliance with this new regulation rather than resolve the true cause of > the mishap which was likely an unsafe propane setup. Propane is very > unforgiving. It makes far more sense to me to require anyone wishing to > use propane (or any other pressurized fuel) to have their setup inspected > and approved by someone knowledgeable, plus their shelter should be > retardant but a fire retardant shelter does not guarantee there won't be a > fire. My oilcloth diamond fly is about as combustable as a shelter can get, > but I don't burn stuff under it or near it. I guess I'll sprinkle some > borax on it and call it good? I really doubt it will be possible for > either the local fire mashall or the Florida Frontiersman to enforce this > new plan but at least I feel safer knowing that some government agency cares > about my well being. In some not-too-distant year, a wind-blown shelter > will injure someone, resulting in a new requirement that all stakes be > driven to a depth not less than 36 inches and load tested. > > Well at least I feel better now, > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Holley" <tipis@attbi.com> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:41 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant > > > If any of you have not heard about the new regulations for the > > Alafia Rendezvous....check out their site and be prepared. > > > > Here is a copy of a message just sent to the Southeastern News > > letter. > > > > Thanks so much for helping to get the word out about the Fire > > Inspectors Order. > > I personally find it hard to believe that the Fire Inspector will > > > > have the time to inspect 1000 camps personally. The Florida > > Frontiersmen don't have to man power to so. I imagine that the > > Traders especially the food vendors will have the worst of it! > > Any way at the meeting this weekend the Florida Frontiersmen's > > President passed on this recipe for a Fire Retardant: > > Fire Retardant > > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > > 4 oz. Boric Acid > > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > > > Spray or paint onto canvas. > > > > I would assume that it will last longer...not wash off if you > > apply > > to the inside of canvas. Keep your receipts as proof. > > If you were at the Alafia last year and saw the big fire that > > consumed the food vendor tent, Jack Hall's, then I'm sure you > > will > > agree it's better to be safe than sorry. The Hall's were very > > lucky > > in that no one was in the tent when the propane tank burst into > > flame!! > > I love historical events, it's what most of us live for...but we > > have > > to use our modern knowledge to keep ourselves safe so we can make > > it > > to the next event. > > Okay I'm off my soapbox now <grin> Back to lurker mode <another > > grin> > > Your humble servant, > > Teena Manyscalps Thomas > > Webmistress, Florida Frontiersmen > > www.floridafrontiersmen.org > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: AMM members only Date: 03 Sep 2002 08:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Dean, I would like to get to the members only site. Contact me with the info at mail4dog@yahoo.com Ron Schrotter, Hiv. #617. Thanks, Dog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "De Santis, Nick" <nick.de.santis@intel.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 03 Sep 2002 08:10:57 -0700 Hello the camp. I was trying to figure a fire retardant this spring for a new lodge I was building. I came across a couple of recipes very similar to the one from the Miller's on this mail( Which looks good to me!). The basics I found were all some sort of boron salts. This type of spray on stuff was/is common for theater cloth. curtains, sets, costumes etc. The only trouble is the stuff washes off with water! So I guess I will get to the point! If you want to have the retardant, great, just figure to do it after each hard rain! For me in Western Oregon, that is more than once a year! Cheers, Nick -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:10 AM > Fire Retardant > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > 4 oz. Boric Acid > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > Spray or paint onto canvas. Checked my wife's books, and it seems this will make a good fire retardant... I am going to spray mine on with a NEW bug sprayer... remember to use a new one so your tent won't smel like Malathion or some such..... YECH!!!!! Regards, Ad and Mouse Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant Date: 03 Sep 2002 14:53:04 -0400 We know how you feel and that is the joke of this whole thing. Linda Holley "De Santis, Nick" wrote: > Hello the camp. > > I was trying to figure a fire retardant this spring for a new lodge I was > building. I came across a couple of recipes very similar to the one from > the Miller's on this mail( Which looks good to me!). The basics I found > were all some sort of boron salts. This type of spray on stuff was/is > common for theater cloth. curtains, sets, costumes etc. The only trouble is > the stuff washes off with water! So I guess I will get to the point! If > you want to have the retardant, great, just figure to do it after each hard > rain! For me in Western Oregon, that is more than once a year! > > Cheers, > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Addison Miller [mailto:admiller@citynet.net] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:10 AM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Retardant > > > Fire Retardant > > 9 oz. 20 Mule Team Borax > > 4 oz. Boric Acid > > 1 gal. Luke warm water > > > > Spray or paint onto canvas. > > Checked my wife's books, and it seems this will make a good fire > retardant... > > I am going to spray mine on with a NEW bug sprayer... remember to use > a new one so your tent won't smel like Malathion or some such..... > YECH!!!!! > > Regards, > > Ad and Mouse Miller > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@attbi.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Fabric Terms Date: 03 Sep 2002 17:20:56 -0600 Does anyone know of a good glossary or dictionary of 18th & early 19th century fabric terms preferrably on line? I am specifically looking for the the following: Bocking Baize (I know baize but not bocking). Kendal Cotton Platillas Patterborns Thanks, Gene Hickman ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fabric Terms Date: 03 Sep 2002 23:37:03 EDT Gene, It's not on-line that I know of, but if you can get a hold of "Textiles in America 1650-1870" by Florence Montgomery (published by W.W. Norton & Co., New York) you'll find most every thing you want to know about. Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@attbi.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fabric Terms Date: 03 Sep 2002 21:55:53 -0600 Thanks Jim. I've been trying to get one for almost 3 months. They run $225-$300 used. I wish at least the local libraries had one. I'm on the search list at Amazon. GENE ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:37 PM > Gene, > > It's not on-line that I know of, but if you can get a hold of "Textiles in > America 1650-1870" by Florence Montgomery (published by W.W. Norton & Co., > New York) you'll find most every thing you want to know about. > > Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fabric Terms Date: 04 Sep 2002 01:41:38 EDT Gene, If you like, I can send you, via postal service, copies of the pages regarding the textiles you named in the original post. I think 3 of the 4 you listed are in the book. The last one was not there. Where did you find these references? Jim Hardee AMM # 1676 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU> Subject: MtMan-List: Rex Norman Date: 04 Sep 2002 09:19:26 -0500 Anybody out there know how to reach Rex Norman? He moved to Lake Tahoe a while back and must have changed his email address. Does anyone have a current email, place of work or phone? Thanks, HBC *********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442, ext 255 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.museum.ttu.edu ***Living History . . . Because It's There*** ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rex Norman Date: 04 Sep 2002 10:46:19 EDT Henry, Hey, long time no hear! Contact me off line and I'll get you Rex's new info. Jim Hardee ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "busterize" <busterize@oldwest.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Deskunking & Gene's Fabrics Date: 04 Sep 2002 11:47:39 -0700 What would be used in the mid-1800s to deskunk a person? (I know they probably wouldn't have bothered deskunking a dog.) Gene, if you find out about those fabrics, I too, would be interested. I have an old fabric book, and none of those terms except Baize is mentioned, either. Geri ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim J." <tjewell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fabric Terms Date: 04 Sep 2002 16:06:34 -0400 > Bocking Baize (I know baize but not bocking). Bocking: A kind of coarse woolen drugget or baize, (from the village of Bocking, Essex). Bartlett's American Dictionary adds: A kind of baize or woolen cloth...used to cover floor or to protect carpets. (from The Oxford English Dictionary) > Kendal Cotton Cotton: a woolen fabric with long nap, which gave a soft, fuzzy appearance. Kendal Cottons, Manchester Cottons, and Welsh cottons, named for place of manufacture, were well known woolens. (from Arts of the Anglo-American Community in the Seventeenth Century_, a Winterthur Museum conference report of 1974. In an article on Textile Trade in Boston, 1650-1700, by Linda Baumgarten) > Platillas could not find this at all > Patterborns I could not find a specfic reference to Patterborn as a cloth but there is a town in Germany named Paderborn that had a wool industry Hope this helps some, Tim ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deskunking & Gene's Fabrics Date: 04 Sep 2002 16:11:06 EDT In a message dated 9/4/02 2:49:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, busterize@oldwest.net writes: << What would be used in the mid-1800s to deskunk a person? >> Time???????? ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Monte Holder <sja028@mail.connect.more.net> Subject: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 04 Sep 2002 16:12:07 -0500 I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but since I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if out on the trail for a while. Monte Holder Saline Co MO ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Wool Blankets & Lanolin Date: 04 Sep 2002 19:07:33 EDT Hello the camp Some time ago the directions was on this list about lanolin and how to add it to new wool blankets. Does any one have that information. I would like to try it. Mark "Roadkill" Loader ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 04 Sep 2002 18:35:08 -0700 I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but since I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if out on the trail for a while. Monte Holder >>Monte, A number of things will substitute for tow. I've used frayed out sisal and cotton rope, fine textured dead grass, old rags, even buffalo or horse hair. Just about anything will do that can be wrapped up on a tow worm and shoved down a gun bore. Pendleton ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wool Blankets & Lanolin Date: 04 Sep 2002 21:15:34 EDT --part1_6c.21d4154a.2aa80a36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I found the following in my files..... Also, I noticed you deleted my mail re: the virus attached to an email from you to me direct. Did you ever find out anything more on the subject? Barney MtMan-List: Blankets / Lanolin Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Reply-to: hist_text@lists.xmission.com "Wash it as little as possible, preferably by hand. They can be machine washed but if you want it to last a very long time, dry clean it at the end of the season and put it away carefully for the summer. A teaspoonful of hazelnut oil , Almond oil or similar in the final rinse helps restore the oil to the wool. Moreover, it will smell very nice!" --part1_6c.21d4154a.2aa80a36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Mark, I found the following in my files..... Also, I noticed you deleted my mail re: the virus attached to an email from you to me direct. Did you ever find out anything more on the subject? Barney<BR> <BR> <BR> <B>MtMan-List: Blankets / Lanolin</B><BR> Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com<BR> Reply-to: hist_text@lists.xmission.com<BR> <BR> "Wash it as little as possible, preferably by hand. They can be machine<BR> washed but if you want it to last a very long time, dry clean it at the end<BR> of the season and put it away carefully for the summer. A teaspoonful of<BR> hazelnut oil , Almond oil or similar in the final rinse helps restore the<BR> oil to the wool. Moreover, it will smell very nice!"<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_6c.21d4154a.2aa80a36_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 10:13:41 -0600 I have resently returned to the list. Do you miss me? Ya Right! Anyway, I have been working to teach my son to shoot. He is definately right handed and decidely left eyed. He tries to squish his face around to make it work for him and it does not. I am afraid I have got him a bit frustrated with my attempts to fix it. Any advice. Secondly we bought him a bow at Bridger and I would shoot it just for fun. Well I broke it. However, I am not sure he will use it enough to replace it. He enjoyed it quite a bit but the string wipes his arm on the off side and the arrows cut his hand. It is/will be an Indian/primitive bow. Is there something I can add to the bow that would protect his hand and what size or sytle of arm protector would you recomend. In referance to paragraph 1 his shooting applies to both rifles and bows. Thank you in advance Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 14:00:39 EDT --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Your boy has got the same problem that I have when it comes to shooting. Being right handed and left eye dominate, as for shooting a gun it has not bothered me, and I don't hold the gun or site it any different then any one else does. But when it comes to shooting a bow it really shows up to a point that is better to start him out shooting it left handed, Is the best advice I can give ya. Crazy Cyot --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Wynn <BR>Your boy has got the same problem that I have when it comes to shooting. <BR>Being right handed and left eye dominate, as for shooting a gun it has not bothered me, and I don't hold the gun or site it any different then any one else does. But when it comes to shooting a bow it really shows up to a point that is better to start him out shooting it left handed, Is the best advice I can give ya. <BR>Crazy Cyot </FONT></HTML> --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 14:31:51 EDT --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: start him out shooting it left handed>> Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to do really well. This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander. One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while they're young....... Barn --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></B>start him out shooting it left handed>><BR> <BR> Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to do really well.<BR> <BR> This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander.<BR> <BR> One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while they're young.......<BR> <BR> Barn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 15:23:26 -0400 > Anyway, I have been working to teach my son to shoot. He is definately > right handed and decidely left eyed. He tries to squish his face around to > make it work for him and it does not. According to the NRA BP Instructors Manual ( I are an Instructor *grins*)... if he is left eye dominate then he will have to shoot left handed. IF he could learn to shoot right-eye/right handed, then no problem... BUT... if he is definately more comfortable with left-eye, then get him a lefty gun and he will have to shoot left handed. I am left-handed but right eye dominate, and had to leard to shoot right handed when I was young. Bak n the 50s not many lefty guns around. No problem for me... Only other time I have run into that was my own son... he learned to shoot right handed from left handed like me, and took the Top Gun Award at the Police Academy with an overall average of 98.5 out of 100 on shotgun, rifle and pistol. See? It can be done :) BTW... I taught him to shoot... (brags a little) Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 13:26:14 -0600 He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye. I am not brave enough to try that with the bow. :> I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated. then I fail him. He could probably do either hand if he wanted to practice it a little. It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a lasso about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them to use the other hand. Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a better way around it? Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:31 PM > In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: start him out shooting it left handed>> > > Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to > do really well. > > This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have > to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander. > > One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare > advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some > training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. > Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while > they're young....... > > Barn > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 07 Sep 2002 13:50:28 -0600 Boil some water, popur it down the barrel and then out. Run a dry patch = thru the barrel and if necessary, run some more hot water . Usually one = application of water will do the trick and then oil the heck out of it. = Be sure to plug the touch hole or nipple first, On Wednesday, September 4, 2002 3:12 PM, Monte Holder <sja028@mail.connect.= more.net> wrote: >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but = since >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if = out >on the trail for a while. > >Monte Holder >Saline Co MO > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 16:03:32 EDT --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn When shooting a primitive bow ether shoot the bow flat or cantering it to a bout 45 degrees helps. If this does not help him you could build an arrow rest for him. This is not allowed in most primitive coemption but if you what him to enjoy shooting it ya need to make it so it don't hurt to shoot it. For the slap of the string on his arm I made my self an arm guard out of raw hide. Crazy --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Wynn <BR> When shooting a primitive bow ether shoot the bow flat or cantering it to a bout 45 degrees helps. If this does not help him you could build an arrow rest for him. This is not allowed in most primitive coemption but if you what him to enjoy shooting it ya need to make it so it don't hurt to shoot it. For the slap of the string on his arm I made my self an arm guard out of raw hide. <BR>Crazy</FONT></HTML> --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 17:59:26 EDT --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/02 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes: > He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it > has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in > reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye. > What happens when he holds the play gun left handed? I also had that problem 'cep I'm left handed & right eyed. Learned to shoot left handed, but never got above being just a "fair" shot. THEN, I messed up my left shoulder & had to relearn how to shoot right handed at about 45 years old. TOUGH to do, but I FINALLY managed. I'm a much better shot with dominant eye AND if the need arises, now that left shoulder is back close to normal, I can shoot either hand. Even left handed shooting has improved, but still not quite as good as right handed. Now, I'm going through the same problems with wife 'cuz she's like your son -- right handed & left eyed. It was a battle to get her to remember to shoot left handed, but she's getting better -- & she's now over 50. IF she can do it, your son should have an easier time of it. His habits haven't had 50 years to take a "set" yet! 8) > I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated. > then I fail him. THAT'S the real problem! Remember to use LOTS of positive reinforcements! > It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a > lasso > about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something > sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them > to use the other hand. Besides being able to shoot either hand, I can also weld either hand & it comes in HANDY on the job. My favorite trick is to switch hands in the middle of a pass without breaking arc. When some one's watching & paying attention, they can't believe what they saw. 8) > Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he > does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a > better way around it? I made arrow rests for both our bows out of pieces of antler tucked (and glued) under brain tan for the grip. While I'm not sure it a a period correct cure, I did use proper materials. Both our bows were hand made recurve self bows & shot nicely with the rests. Never did get wife to switch to left handed archery, so we could shoot each other's bows -- 'till mine broke. 8( Might try a recurve with your son -- they don't bite the arm like a straight bow does. Recurves ARE period -- the Indians called 'em "contrary bows". Nauga Mok --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/7/02 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it<BR> has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in<BR> reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye.<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> What happens when he holds the play gun left handed? I also had that problem 'cep I'm left handed & right eyed. Learned to shoot left handed, but never got above being just a "fair" shot. THEN, I messed up my left shoulder & had to relearn how to shoot right handed at about 45 years old. TOUGH to do, but I FINALLY managed. I'm a much better shot with dominant eye AND if the need arises, now that left shoulder is back close to normal, I can shoot either hand. Even left handed shooting has improved, but still not quite as good as right handed. Now, I'm going through the same problems with wife 'cuz she's like your son -- right handed & left eyed. It was a battle to get her to remember to shoot left handed, but she's getting better -- & she's now over 50. IF she can do it, your son should have an easier time of it. His habits haven't had 50 years to take a "set" yet! 8) <BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated.<BR> then I fail him.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">THAT'S the real problem! Remember to use LOTS of positive reinforcements!<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a lasso<BR> about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something<BR> sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them<BR> to use the other hand.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Besides being able to shoot either hand, I can also weld either hand & it comes in HANDY on the job. My favorite trick is to switch hands in the middle of a pass without breaking arc. When some one's watching & paying attention, they can't believe what they saw. 8)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he<BR> does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a<BR> better way around it?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I made arrow rests for both our bows out of pieces of antler tucked (and glued) under brain tan for the grip. While I'm not sure it a a period correct cure, I did use proper materials. Both our bows were hand made recurve self bows & shot nicely with the rests. Never did get wife to switch to left handed archery, so we could shoot each other's bows -- 'till mine broke. 8( Might try a recurve with your son -- they don't bite the arm like a straight bow does. Recurves ARE period -- the Indians called 'em "contrary bows". </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FACE="Jot Medium - HMK" LANG="0">Nauga Mok</FONT></HTML> --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 18:08:36 EDT --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes: > Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he > does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand I'm thinking YES, a small ledge could be carved into the edges of the bow itself. Personally I don't see any reason this couldn't be done on both sides to allow for ambidextrous shooting too. Barn --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 9/7/2002 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he<BR> does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B><BR> I'm thinking YES, a small ledge could be carved into the edges of the bow itself. Personally I don't see any reason this couldn't be done on both sides to allow for ambidextrous shooting too. Barn</B></FONT></HTML> --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 07 Sep 2002 19:17:31 -0400 >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but since >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if out >on the trail for a while. Whats wrong with using left over pieces of rope to make a bore scrubber? Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 07 Sep 2002 20:06:23 -0600 At 10:13 AM 9/7/2002 -0600, you wrote: Wynn, I won't make any comment on shooting a bow, but with a handgun, it's just fine to shoot right handed and left eyed. When shooting a long gun, just shut the left eye and shoot right handed. Works fine. Allen ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Monte Holder <sja028@mail.connect.more.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 09 Sep 2002 12:41:25 -0500 Not a thing wrong with trying rope Mr. Miller, I will try that, and thanks for the suggestion. I have patches, (mentioned by someone in an earlier reply), I was just looking for some plant alternative that I may have growing around. It seems pulling weeds is not a high priority out on the farm, but if cleaning my rifle with some.....then a few more might get pulled. Addison Miller wrote: > >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but > since > >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used > if out > >on the trail for a while. > > Whats wrong with using left over pieces of rope to make a bore > scrubber? > > Ad Miller > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "De Santis, Nick" <nick.de.santis@intel.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Question Date: 09 Sep 2002 11:07:20 -0700 I was reading the thread on alternates to tow for cleaning and it made me wonder about a similar problem. Can anyone let me know about what would be used for patches other than cloth? I am not worried personally, as I am rarely out long enough to run out of shirt tail, but long term "in the day", would some variety of leaves or leather etc. have been used? Thanks, Nick ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 09 Sep 2002 14:21:30 -0400 I have used pounded braintan scrap. D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:07 PM > I was reading the thread on alternates to tow for cleaning and it made me > wonder about a similar problem. Can anyone let me know about what would be > used for patches other than cloth? I am not worried personally, as I am > rarely out long enough to run out of shirt tail, but long term "in the day", > would some variety of leaves or leather etc. have been used? > > Thanks, > > Nick > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 09 Sep 2002 14:28:25 -0400 I use little left over pieces of rope to make my "birds nest" for fire starting too... The rope is 100% Sisal and has nothing in the way of chemicals added to it.. Makes real nice fire starter... I take about a 7" section and unravel the hell outta it, and then start wadding it up into a birds nest... same for rifle cleaning until I get the amount I need... Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1080 Date: 09 Sep 2002 16:51:17 -0500 > >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:46:19 EDT >From: Casapy123@aol.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rex Norman > >Henry, > >Hey, long time no hear! Contact me off line and I'll get you Rex's new info. > >Jim Hardee > Thanks, Jim, but ol' Rex got the drop on ya. He wrote me back at the double quick. Good to hear from ya anyways. I've been quiet on the fur trade list, but I rondy'd on Labor Day weekend up on the Canadian River here in the TX Panhandle. I ate well, threw the hawk ok, but didn't shoot worth a darn. Oh, well. The back-to-back thunderstorms friday night seemed to put it all into perspective. There's things at work in this world much bigger than you and I, and that's for sure. BTW, I got my Bess .75 cal bag mold. Log Cabin Shop has them for 59.95 plus freight. :-) Their new catalog has lots of plunder I hadn't seen before. Give Oz a call at the Cabin for your copy. Cheers to all, HBC *********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442, ext 255 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.museum.ttu.edu ***Living History . . . Because It's There*** ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones Date: 10 Sep 2002 00:01:49 EDT --part1_74.22adf537.2aaec8ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am hoping that Paul Jones of Clark and Sons will read this and contact me either on this list or off list.... Frank Sablan Midland,Texas heard he has been under the weather hope he is doing fine....... --part1_74.22adf537.2aaec8ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I am hoping that Paul Jones of Clark and Sons will read this and contact me either on this list or off list....<BR> <BR> Frank Sablan<BR> Midland,Texas<BR> <BR> heard he has been under the weather hope he is doing fine.......</FONT></HTML> --part1_74.22adf537.2aaec8ad_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones Date: 10 Sep 2002 05:44:30 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2588D.2220E790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Jones's (and, thus, Clark & Son Mercantile) computer is dead and = won't be fixed for a while yet. Contact Paul at: 4609 Waycross Houston, TX 77035 713 668 9582 Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones I am hoping that Paul Jones of Clark and Sons will read this and = contact me either on this list or off list.... Frank Sablan Midland,Texas heard he has been under the weather hope he is doing fine.......=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2588D.2220E790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Paul Jones's (and, thus, = Clark &=20 Son Mercantile) computer is dead and won't be fixed for a while = yet. =20 Contact Paul at:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>4609 Waycross</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Houston, TX = 77035</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>713 668 9582</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney = Ratcliff</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DJOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com">JOAQUINQS@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 09, = 2002 11:01=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: looking=20 for..............paul jones</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I am hoping that Paul Jones of Clark and Sons = will read=20 this and contact me either on this list or off list....<BR><BR>Frank=20 Sablan<BR>Midland,Texas<BR><BR>heard he has been under the weather = hope he is=20 doing fine.......</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2588D.2220E790-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdearing <jdearing@brick.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wool Blankets & Lanolin Date: 07 Sep 2002 09:20:10 -0500 At 07:07 PM 9/4/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hello the camp >Some time ago the directions was on this list about lanolin and how to add it >to new wool blankets. Does any one have that information. I would like to try >it. Here ya go. This was sent to me by someone a while back. It may not be what you want and I have not tried it, but I have it on good authority that it works very well. To restore lanolin to my woolen articles. At a health food outlet, purchase some liquid castille soap (a pure non detergent type of soap made from vegetable oil), and some liquid lanolin. (They also had a paste form of lanolin, which I have also tried, with success.) I don't remember the exact formula which I used, but it was part HOT water, part lanolin, in a quart jar, covered. Shake. This warms up the lanolin and makes it thinner (it was pretty thick). Then I added a portion of the castille soap. Shake. By now it was a frothy mixture like a thin milk shake. Pour mixture into washing machine filled with warm water. Stir around. Add woolen articles. Wash on GENTLE cycle. Lay out cleaned and lanolin restored woolen articles on towels to dry. Worked great! J.D. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdearing <jdearing@brick.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Date: 07 Sep 2002 09:22:52 -0500 At 04:12 PM 9/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but since >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if out >on the trail for a while. I would think nearly any plant fiber would do. Yucca, dogbane, milkweed, nettles, or any other fibrous plant material. Dried and with the solid chafe removed, of course. J.D. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Gottfred" <agottfre@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting (Archery) Date: 10 Sep 2002 09:10:56 -0600 Crazy Cyot wrote: > But when it comes to shooting a bow it really shows up to a point > that is better to start him out shooting it left handed, Dang! I wish I'd known that before I bought my bow a couple years ago. I thought I just needed LOTS more practice. And DH has a couple of lefty bows, but he draws just a tad more weight than I do. (Like 40 lbs more.) :-( Any suggestions for me, now that I'm stuck with my right handed bow--would an eyepatch be useful? Your very humble & most obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting (Archery) Date: 10 Sep 2002 12:00:18 EDT --part1_10d.17d77591.2aaf7112_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angela Good to here from ya. When shooting a bow instinctive (without sights) being left eye dominate and shooting right handed. I found to be a real challenge that I never really over came to my satisfaction, granted I was able to make meet with a bow but it really limited my shooting ability. For in stead of just having to know how far up or down I had to hold my point of aim for certain yardage I had to all so hold off to one side for the drift that seemed to happen too. To tell you the truth I got so flustered with it I quit shooting the bow. My best advice is to shoot left handed or do lots and lots of shooting to learn how to hold your point of aim to make up for it. see ya down the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_10d.17d77591.2aaf7112_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Angela <BR>Good to here from ya. <BR>When shooting a bow instinctive (without sights) being left eye dominate and shooting right handed. I found to be a real challenge that I never really over came to my satisfaction, granted I was able to make meet with a bow but it really limited my shooting ability. For in stead of just having to know how far up or down I had to hold my point of aim for certain yardage I had to all so hold off to one side for the drift that seemed to happen too. To tell you the truth I got so flustered with it I quit shooting the bow. My best advice is to shoot left handed or do lots and lots of shooting to learn how to hold your point of aim to make up for it. <BR>see ya down the trail <BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML> --part1_10d.17d77591.2aaf7112_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 10 Sep 2002 15:11:44 -0500 Hog fat greased pages from a Bible work. Just be sure it is a natural fiber paper as used during the period. Other book's pages would work I suppose. But, this gives a whole other meaning to "introducing heathens to the word of the Lord." Spread the word. John... At 01:21 PM 9/9/02, you wrote: >I have used pounded braintan scrap. >D > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "De Santis, Nick" <nick.de.santis@intel.com> >To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:07 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Question > > > > I was reading the thread on alternates to tow for cleaning and it made me > > wonder about a similar problem. Can anyone let me know about what would >be > > used for patches other than cloth? I am not worried personally, as I am > > rarely out long enough to run out of shirt tail, but long term "in the >day", > > would some variety of leaves or leather etc. have been used? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones Date: 10 Sep 2002 19:18:54 EDT --part1_44.25bf2c7e.2aafd7de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks Lanney!!! Frank Midland,Texas --part1_44.25bf2c7e.2aafd7de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">thanks Lanney!!!<BR> <BR> Frank<BR> Midland,Texas</FONT></HTML> --part1_44.25bf2c7e.2aafd7de_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones Date: 10 Sep 2002 17:36:32 -0600 The last ones I can remember that were looking for Paul was a posse. Don On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:44 AM, Lanney Ratcliff <lanneyratcliff@= charter.net> wrote: > >Paul Jones's (and, thus, Clark & Son Mercantile) computer is >dead and won't be fixed for a while yet.=A0 Contact Paul=A0 at: >4609 Waycross >Houston, TX=A0 77035 >713 668 9582 >=A0 >Lanney Ratcliff > >----- Original Message ----- > From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:01 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: looking for..............paul jones > >I am hoping that Paul Jones of Clark and Sons will read this >and contact me either on this list or off list.... > >Frank Sablan >Midland,Texas > >heard he has been under the weather hope he is doing >fine....... ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" <flint54@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 10 Sep 2002 23:56:31 -0400 "Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side." Psalm 97:3 There's our brother John, out spreading the Word.<G> (ducking now) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:11 PM > Hog fat greased pages from a Bible work. Just be sure it is a natural > fiber paper as used during the period. > > Other book's pages would work I suppose. > > But, this gives a whole other meaning to "introducing heathens to the word > of the Lord." > > Spread the word. > > John... > > > At 01:21 PM 9/9/02, you wrote: > >I have used pounded braintan scrap. > >D > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "De Santis, Nick" <nick.de.santis@intel.com> > >To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > >Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:07 PM > >Subject: MtMan-List: Question > > > > > > > I was reading the thread on alternates to tow for cleaning and it made me > > > wonder about a similar problem. Can anyone let me know about what would > >be > > > used for patches other than cloth? I am not worried personally, as I am > > > rarely out long enough to run out of shirt tail, but long term "in the > >day", > > > would some variety of leaves or leather etc. have been used? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Nick > > > > > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. > John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com> Subject: MtMan-List: 911 Date: 10 Sep 2002 22:21:44 -0600 "America will never forget..." God Bless. "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com/TetonTodd.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Furtrade in the Nations Date: 11 Sep 2002 15:11:44 +0000 Gentlemen, I'm looking for information regarding the furtrade in the Nations during the first half of the nineteenth century(specifically 1820-40). I have one or two books(Fort Gibson and Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest) that cover the subject but am always looking for something new. Also if anyone has any information regarding the type of goods stocked at trade houses in the Nations I would appreciate greatly appreciate it. I look forward to your replies and suggestions. Dios, Libertad y Tejas Cpt. Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 11 Sep 2002 11:42:07 -0400 hehe... thats one way of having a "Come To Jesus Meeting" with the heathens!! *BG* Ad > "Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side." > Psalm 97:3 > > There's our brother John, out spreading the Word.<G> > > But, this gives a whole other meaning to "introducing heathens to the word > > of the Lord." > > > > Spread the word. > > > > John... ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hays rangers Date: 11 Sep 2002 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT) --0-986954441-1031772847=:27517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm doing research on an article for a major blackpowder publication. If anyone has any info about research documents concerning black powder firearms used by hay's rangers, or by the mexican citizens in Texas in the 1840s, I would appreciate it. I'm particularly interested in the kinds of long guns used by both the texans and the Mexicans. M. Branson scott mcmahon wrote:Gentlemen, I'm looking for information regarding the furtrade in the Nations during the first half of the nineteenth century(specifically 1820-40). I have one or two books(Fort Gibson and Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest) that cover the subject but am always looking for something new. Also if anyone has any information regarding the type of goods stocked at trade houses in the Nations I would appreciate greatly appreciate it. I look forward to your replies and suggestions. Dios, Libertad y Tejas Cpt. Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost --0-986954441-1031772847=:27517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P>I'm doing research on an article for a major blackpowder publication. If anyone has any info about research documents concerning black powder firearms used by hay's rangers, or by the mexican citizens in Texas in the 1840s, I would appreciate it. I'm particularly interested in the kinds of long guns used by both the texans and the Mexicans. M. Branson <P> <B><I>scott mcmahon <MOUNTEDRANGER@HOTMAIL.COM></I></B>wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Gentlemen,<BR>I'm looking for information regarding the furtrade in the Nations during <BR>the first half of the nineteenth century(specifically 1820-40). I have one <BR>or two books(Fort Gibson and Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest) that cover <BR>the subject but am always looking for something new. Also if anyone has any <BR>information regarding the type of goods stocked at trade houses in the <BR>Nations I would appreciate greatly appreciate it. I look forward to your <BR>replies and suggestions.<BR><BR>Dios, Libertad y Tejas<BR>Cpt. Scott McMahon<BR>S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co.<BR><BR>"Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any <BR>sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one <BR>or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a <BR>rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them."<BR>General Ethan Allen Hitchcock<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com<BR><BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Yahoo! - We Remember<br> <b>9-11: <a href="http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute">A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost</a></b> --0-986954441-1031772847=:27517-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: manbear <manbear@netonecom.net> Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 16:09:32 -0400 --------------1D35BCB717B886C6ADCD59AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I received this on another list and no one there seems to be able to help. Just wondering if anyone here might know something that I canpass on to the young man about it. Thanks Manbear Hi Folk, Have any of you folks heard of the School of the Longhunter at Pricketts Fort in West Virginia? Do you know of anybody that has been to it? I found a website giving the details of this years school and thought it may be neat to go next year. Broken Hawk --------------1D35BCB717B886C6ADCD59AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hi All, <br>I received this on another list and no one there seems to be able to help. Just wondering if anyone here might know something that I canpass on to the young man about it. <br>Thanks <br>Manbear <br> <br> <p><tt>Hi Folk,</tt> <p><tt>Have any of you folks heard of the School of the Longhunter at</tt> <br><tt>Pricketts Fort in West Virginia? Do you know of anybody that has been</tt> <br><tt>to it?</tt> <br><tt>I found a website giving the details of this years school and thought</tt> <br><tt>it may be neat to go next year.</tt> <br><tt>Broken Hawk</tt> <br> <br> <br><tt></tt> </html> --------------1D35BCB717B886C6ADCD59AA-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 16:14:29 -0400 Here is the URL for it.... Just a fer piece up the road from me here in Alderson, WV... Have not been to it, but may go see the fort this Fall... Will see what further info I can garner then... http://www.prickettsfort.org/school.htm Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: manbear <manbear@netonecom.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 16:41:52 -0400 Thanks Ad, BTW, The young man is Red headed Kilt wearin' Lad who's thinking about jumping between Jacobite and Longhunter personnas. I look forward to hearing more after you've been. Thanks Manbear Addison Miller wrote: > Have not been to it, but may go see the fort this Fall... Will see what > further info I can garner then... > > Regards, > > Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 17:37:47 -0400 Heh.... another cross dresser :) LOL... He'll fit right in with the rest of us Scot/Longhunters... Is he from WV as well? Ad > BTW, The young man is Red headed Kilt wearin' Lad who's thinking about > jumping between Jacobite and Longhunter personnas. > Manbear ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 19:50:19 EDT In a message dated 9/11/02 2:09:40 PM, manbear@netonecom.net writes: << Have any of you folks heard of the School of the Longhunter at Pricketts Fort in West Virginia? Do you know of anybody that has been to it? I found a website giving the details of this years school and thought it may be neat to go next year. Broken Hawk >> And what is that website?? Richard James ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: manbear <manbear@netonecom.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: [michindohreenactors] School of the Longhunter] Date: 11 Sep 2002 20:33:55 -0400 Richard, I'm not exactly sure what website my friend saw but I would assume that it is this one that Ad posted earlier. http://www.prickettsfort.org/school.htm Manbear SWzypher@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/02 2:09:40 PM, manbear@netonecom.net writes: > > << Have any of you folks heard of the School of the Longhunter at > Pricketts Fort in West Virginia? Do you know of anybody that has been > to it? > I found a website giving the details of this years school and thought > it may be neat to go next year. > Broken Hawk >> > > And what is that website?? > > Richard James > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Danger to Equines, Hunters, Anglers, Recreationists Date: 12 Sep 2002 14:08:43 EDT --part1_9d.2dcca631.2ab2322b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A heads-up to those in the West and North regarding WEST NILE VIRUS.... This just in from ProMedMail, a service of Harvard University Med School and the CDC: Because WNV is most serious in horses, veterinarians have worked closely with livestock owners to make them aware. Likewise, FWP officials are informing hunters, anglers, and recreationists, Vermont: Probable First Case of human West Nile Virus Infection: "We have already confirmed that West Nile virus is in Vermont, both birds and mosquitoes have tested positive, so it was only a matter of time before a human case was identified" said Dr. Patsy Tassler, Health Department epidemiologist. Montana: The first case of West Nile virus (WNV) in a Montana resident was announced on Fri 6 Sep 2002 in Sweet Grass County. State Epidemiologist Todd Damrow: "Although this particular case is imported from another state, we've known for 2 weeks that the virus has been present in horses in Montana" he added. "It is only a matter of time before a positive human case is diagnosed that was obtained in Montana." Colorado: In Colorado, 19 more horses tested positive for West Nile virus on Tue 10 Sep 2002, bringing the state-wide equine total to 117. At least 31 of those horses have died... California: (CDC) have confirmed that a woman in Los Angeles County, California, contracted West Nile virus infection. Canada: Ontario: As of Wed 11 Sep 2002, there has been one confirmed human case of West Nile virus in Ontario; Manitoba, the virus has been found in geese, ducks, sentinel chickens, an owl, and horses. There have been no human cases of West Nile virus diagnosed in this province. Quebec: As of Fri 6 Sep 2002, a total 77 birds have tested West Nile virus-positive in 8 districts of Quebec. Saskatchewan: The total number of confirmed West Nile virus-positive birds is now 21 collected from 13 localities. --part1_9d.2dcca631.2ab2322b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">A heads-up to those in the West and North regarding WEST NILE VIRUS.... This just in from ProMedMail, a service of Harvard University Med School and the CDC:<BR> <BR> <B><U>Because WNV is most serious in horses, veterinarians have worked closely <BR> with livestock owners to make them aware. Likewise, FWP officials are <BR> informing hunters, anglers, and recreationists,</B></U><BR> <BR> <BR> <B><U>Vermont</B></U>: Probable First Case of human West Nile Virus Infection: "We have already confirmed that West Nile virus is in Vermont, both birds and mosquitoes have tested positive, so it was only a matter of time before a human case was identified" said Dr. Patsy Tassler, Health Department epidemiologist.<BR> <BR> <B><U>Montana</B></U>: The first case of West Nile virus (WNV) in a Montana resident was announced on Fri 6 Sep 2002 in Sweet Grass County. State Epidemiologist Todd <BR> Damrow: "Although this particular case is imported from another state, we've known for 2 weeks that the virus has been present in horses in Montana" he added. "It is only a matter of time before a positive human case is diagnosed that was obtained in Montana." <BR> <BR> <B><U>Colorado</B></U>: In Colorado, 19 more horses tested positive for West Nile virus on Tue 10 Sep 2002, bringing the state-wide equine total to 117. At least 31 of those horses have died... <BR> <BR> <B><U>California</B></U>: (CDC) have confirmed that a woman in Los Angeles County, California, <BR> contracted West Nile virus infection. <BR> <BR> <B><U>Canada</B></U>:<BR> <B>Ontario</B>: As of Wed 11 Sep 2002, there has been one confirmed human case of West Nile virus in Ontario;<BR> <B>Manitoba</B>, the virus has been found in geese, ducks, sentinel chickens, an owl, and horses. There have been no human cases of West Nile virus diagnosed in this province.<BR> <B>Quebec</B>: As of Fri 6 Sep 2002, a total 77 birds have tested West Nile virus-positive in 8 districts of Quebec.<BR> <B>Saskatchewan</B>: The total number of confirmed West Nile virus-positive birds is now 21 collected from 13 localities. </FONT></HTML> --part1_9d.2dcca631.2ab2322b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Blanket 'Fulling" Date: 12 Sep 2002 22:34:50 EDT --part1_5b.2de0f799.2ab2a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for some help re a wool blanket. I have heard that it increases the warmth quite a bit. I have a CJ Wilde 6 pt. that, although mighty purty, wasn't as warm last winter as I expected it would/should be. While CJ wasn't too keen on the idea at all, my question is: what is the method to safely 'full' it, and what changes to the blanket could be expected, like shrinkage and the need to restore the oils. Barney --part1_5b.2de0f799.2ab2a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>I'm looking for some help re a wool blanket. I have heard that it increases the warmth quite a bit. I have a CJ Wilde 6 pt. that, although mighty purty, wasn't as warm last winter as I expected it would/should be. <BR> <BR> While CJ wasn't too keen on the idea at all, my question is: what is the method to safely 'full' it, and what changes to the blanket could be expected, like shrinkage and the need to restore the oils.<BR> <BR> Barney</B></FONT></HTML> --part1_5b.2de0f799.2ab2a8ca_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blanket 'Fulling" Date: 12 Sep 2002 22:58:08 EDT --part1_133.14274908.2ab2ae40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barney, I have heard of fulling but cant bring myself to wash a wool blanket, especially a wilde, but the following came off the blue heron mercantile web site....hope it helps <A HREF="http://blueheronmercantile.com/">Blue Heron Mercantile</A> To tighten the weave, thicken the nap, and improve the efficiency of your wool blanket, wash once or twice in warm water without detergent and drip-dry, using Wool-ite to avoid loosing some of the lanolin in the wool which acts as waterproofing. Some marginal shrinkage will occur, (approx. 10%) but the slightly smaller blanket size is offset by it's increased insulating ability. --part1_133.14274908.2ab2ae40_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Barney,<BR> <BR> I have heard of fulling but cant bring myself to wash a wool blanket, especially a wilde, but the following came off the blue heron mercantile web site....hope it helps<BR> <BR> <A HREF="http://blueheronmercantile.com/">Blue Heron Mercantile</A> <BR> <P ALIGN=CENTER><BR> <P ALIGN=LEFT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><B>To tighten the weave, thicken the nap, and improve the efficiency of your wool blanket, wash once or twice in warm water without detergent and drip-dry, using Wool-ite to avoid loosing some of the lanolin in the wool which acts as waterproofing. Some marginal shrinkage will occur, (approx. 10%) but the slightly smaller blanket size is offset by it's increased insulating ability. </B><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </P></P></FONT></HTML> --part1_133.14274908.2ab2ae40_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 12 Sep 2002 23:40:49 EDT --part1_fe.1dc04851.2ab2b841_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have the address to R M Felts. looking for double/triple smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need refrigeration.... frank sablan midland,texas --part1_fe.1dc04851.2ab2b841_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">does anyone have the address to R M Felts. looking for double/triple smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need refrigeration....<BR> <BR> frank sablan<BR> midland,texas</FONT></HTML> --part1_fe.1dc04851.2ab2b841_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" <flint54@cfl.rr.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-List Double Messages - modern topic Date: 12 Sep 2002 23:48:42 -0400 Is anyone else besides me receiving two copies of every message on (only) this list? Puzzling. Tom > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-List Double Messages - modern topic Date: 12 Sep 2002 23:54:50 EDT --part1_157.13f99ad6.2ab2bb8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am only receiving one.................. --part1_157.13f99ad6.2ab2bb8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">i am only receiving one..................</FONT></HTML> --part1_157.13f99ad6.2ab2bb8a_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 13 Sep 2002 00:58:06 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C25AC0.9F1B91C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turkey foot traders has the smoked bacon. www.turkeyfoot.com Phone 1-888-498-3466 e-mail addy rschroll@turkeyfoot.com info came their business card. Good luck I have bought it several times and is very good. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: MtMan-List: bacon source......... does anyone have the address to R M Felts. looking for double/triple = smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need refrigeration.... frank sablan midland,texas=20 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C25AC0.9F1B91C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3314.2100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Turkey foot traders has the smoked = bacon. <A=20 href=3D"http://www.turkeyfoot.com">www.turkeyfoot.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Phone 1-888-498-3466</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>e-mail addy <A=20 href=3D"mailto:rschroll@turkeyfoot.com">rschroll@turkeyfoot.com</A></FONT= ></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>info came their business card. Good=20 luck</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have bought it several times and is very = good.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>John (BIG JOHN) Hunt<BR>longhunter<BR>mountainman<BR>Southwest, = Ohio</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com"=20 title=3DJOAQUINQS@aol.com>JOAQUINQS@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20 title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, = 2002 11:40=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: bacon=20 source.........</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DArial = lang=3D0 size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">does anyone have the address to R M Felts. = looking for=20 double/triple smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need = refrigeration....<BR><BR>frank sablan<BR>midland,texas</FONT>=20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C25AC0.9F1B91C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim J." <tjewell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 13 Sep 2002 01:04:22 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_epovZX6ibSYaE2MP7g+R1Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com does anyone have the address to R M Felts... Here you go Frank, R.M. Felts Meat Pkg. Co. 35497 Glennahone Blvd. Ivor VA 23866 phone: 757-859-6131 Regards, Tim --Boundary_(ID_epovZX6ibSYaE2MP7g+R1Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face="BellGothic Blk BT"></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=JOAQUINQS@aol.com href="mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com">JOAQUINQS@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="BellGothic Blk BT"></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">does anyone have the address to R M Felts...</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Here you go Frank,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>R.M. Felts Meat Pkg. Co.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>35497 Glennahone Blvd.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Ivor VA 23866</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>phone: 757-859-6131</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Regards, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Tim</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> --Boundary_(ID_epovZX6ibSYaE2MP7g+R1Q)-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 12 Sep 2002 22:12:5 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>I buy my smoked bacon from Virginia Traditions</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.virginiatraditions.com">www.virginiatraditions.com</A></DIV> <DIV>hardtack</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=JOAQUINQS@aol.com href="mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=JOAQUINQS@aol.com href="mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 9/12/02 4:40:49 PM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: bacon source.........</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">does anyone have the address to R M Felts. looking for double/triple smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need refrigeration....<BR><BR>frank sablan<BR>midland,texas</FONT> </FONT> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 13 Sep 2002 05:55:18 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C25AEA.23BA3C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Is there a Robertson's Hams meat market in your area? They are = headquartered in Marietta Ok and their smoked bacon will keep well. I = don't think any are our as far as Midland, but you can find them here: = =20 http://www.robertsonhams.com/rhHome.htm Try the smoked pork loin. Lordy!! Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: MtMan-List: bacon source......... does anyone have the address to R M Felts. looking for double/triple = smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need refrigeration.... frank sablan midland,texas=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C25AEA.23BA3C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Frank</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Is there a Robertson's = Hams meat=20 market in your area? They are headquartered in Marietta Ok and = their=20 smoked bacon will keep well. I don't think any are our as = far as=20 Midland, but you can find them here: </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4><A=20 href=3D"http://www.robertsonhams.com/rhHome.htm">http://www.robertsonhams= .com/rhHome.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Try the smoked pork = loin. =20 Lordy!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DJOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:JOAQUINQS@aol.com">JOAQUINQS@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, = 2002 10:40=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: bacon=20 source.........</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">does anyone have the address to R M Felts. = looking for=20 double/triple smoke bacon. something i can pack that doesnt need = refrigeration....<BR><BR>frank sablan<BR>midland,texas</FONT>=20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C25AEA.23BA3C50-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-List Double Messages - modern topic Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:04:22 -0400 Nope.... just one of each message... Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source......... Date: 13 Sep 2002 11:02:45 EDT --part1_a.25041082.2ab35815_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, It sounds like I should try Felts, and will on the next call, but I do use a couple of other places that have some tasty Bacon as well as double smoked Hams, Beef, Turkey, Sausage and jerky products. They are <A HREF="http://www.hillbillysmokehouse.com/">The Hillbilly Smokehouse</A> located in the Ozarks, and Meadow Farms <A HREF="http://www.smokedmeats.com/">Mahogany Smoked Meats and Jerky</A> located in Southern California. Meadow Farms claims to be the last smokehouse in the country using only Mahagony to smoke their meats and it does impart a different, IMO delicious flavor. Pricey, but oh so good! Also, thanks for the lead to Blue Heron; they had exactly the info I was looking for. Barney --part1_a.25041082.2ab35815_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Frank, It sounds like I should try Felts, and will on the next call, but I do use a couple of other places that have some tasty Bacon as well as double smoked Hams, Beef, Turkey, Sausage and jerky products.<BR> <BR> They are <A HREF="http://www.hillbillysmokehouse.com/">The Hillbilly Smokehouse</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"> located in the Ozarks, and<BR> Meadow Farms <A HREF="http://www.smokedmeats.com/">Mahogany Smoked Meats and Jerky</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"> located in Southern California. Meadow Farms claims to be the last smokehouse in the country using only Mahagony to smoke their meats and it does impart a different, IMO delicious flavor. Pricey, but oh so good!<BR> <BR> Also, thanks for the lead to Blue Heron; they had exactly the info I was looking for.<BR> <BR> Barney </B></FONT></HTML> --part1_a.25041082.2ab35815_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hays rangers Date: 13 Sep 2002 11:18:10 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C25B17.3DF5F5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Branson; You probably already have seen "The Texas Rangers" by Walter Prescott = Webb but I would recommend it as a starting point if you have not. His = foot noting is not perfect but it could set you on to more original = sources. He paints some pretty clear pictures of the three sets of = warriors of the plains but I did not see a lot of resources in that = section. It is interesting that you pick on the long guns of the rangers when = they did not appear to be as important as the more horse friendly and = multiple shot short guns. Why is this? Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Branson=20 I'm doing research on an article for a major blackpowder publication. = If anyone has any info about research documents concerning black powder = firearms used by hay's rangers, or by the mexican citizens in Texas in = the 1840s, I would appreciate it. I'm particularly interested in the = kinds of long guns used by both the texans and the Mexicans. M. Branson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C25B17.3DF5F5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr Branson;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You probably already have seen "The = Texas Rangers"=20 by Walter Prescott Webb but I would recommend it as a starting point if = you have=20 not. His foot noting is not perfect but it could set you on to = more=20 original sources. He paints some pretty clear pictures of the = three sets=20 of warriors of the plains but I did not see a lot of resources in that=20 section.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is interesting that you pick on the = long guns of=20 the rangers when they did not appear to be as important as the more = horse=20 friendly and multiple shot short guns. Why is this?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wynn Ormond</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dd49_mbranson@yahoo.com = href=3D"mailto:d49_mbranson@yahoo.com">Michael=20 Branson</A> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <P>I'm doing research on an article for a major blackpowder = publication. If=20 anyone has any info about research documents concerning black powder = firearms=20 used by hay's rangers, or by the mexican citizens in Texas in the = 1840s, I=20 would appreciate it. I'm particularly interested in the kinds of long = guns=20 used by both the texans and the Mexicans. M. Branson=20 <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> <P><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C25B17.3DF5F5A0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hays rangers Date: 13 Sep 2002 18:45:12 +0000 It is interesting that you pick on the long guns of the rangers when they did not appear to be as important as the more horse friendly and multiple shot short guns. Why is this? Wynn Ormond Wynn, The long gun issue depends on what time period you are looking at. For the thirties and part of the forties long guns were the rule. However when the rangers started honing their skillson horseback they cast the long guns aside for shorter plains rifles and shotguns. The Colt's were trickling out then as well and that played a major role in the development of the rangers as a mounted force superior to the Comanches and vaqueros. Dios, Libertad y Tejas Cpt. McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: blanket 'fulling' Date: 13 Sep 2002 14:15:23 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25B2F.FFCE5CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know what process you are looking for, Barney. Others are = sure to jump in with ways to restore lanolin and etc. But I have always had good luck with just plain washing. I use a = product called Sport Wash that I get at Wal-Mart. Just machine wash warm = and rinse cold. Some will scream at this, but I dry in the auto dryer at = low temp. Never had a problem with shrinkage or any negative effects. = Blankets come out soft, fluffier ("fuller"?) and definately warmer. = Colors also seem restored. Other products, like Woolite may do as well = but I have only tried the Sport Wash. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25B2F.FFCE5CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> I don't know what process you are looking for, = Barney.=20 Others are sure to jump in with ways to restore lanolin and etc.</DIV> <DIV> But I have always had good luck with just plain = washing.=20 I use a product called Sport Wash that I get at Wal-Mart. Just machine = wash warm=20 and rinse cold. Some will scream at this, but I dry in the auto dryer at = low=20 temp. Never had a problem with shrinkage or any negative effects. = Blankets come=20 out soft, fluffier ("fuller"?) and definately warmer. Colors also seem = restored.=20 Other products, like Woolite may do as well but I have only tried the = Sport=20 Wash.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Frank G. Fusco<BR>Mountain Home, AR<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/">http://groups= .yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/</A></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25B2F.FFCE5CE0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dejim55@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject) Date: 13 Sep 2002 16:36:55 EDT LIST, I'M GOING TIN THREE TIN CUPS THAT I OWN AND NEED ALL THE ADVICE THAT I CAN GET ON HOW TO DO IT. DO I USE PURE TIN OR LEAD FREE SOLDER? DO I NEED TO HEAT THE CUPS BEFORE APPLYING THE TIN? WHAT DO I USE TO BRUSH THE TIN AROUND? THANKS FOR THE HELP. JIM AMM1798. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdearing <jdearing@brick.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting Date: 13 Sep 2002 16:07:41 -0500 > >Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he >does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a >better way around it? Sorry it took so long to respond, but I only look at the list a coupla times a week. DO NOT I say again, DO NOT cut an arrow shelf into a self bow. Can, and often does cause 'em to break at the shelf. Make an arrow rest by gluing two or three thick pieces of leather back to back until they are 3/8 -1/2 thick and from 1/2 inch or so wide by maybe 1 to 1 1/2 inches long, flatten the leather where the arrow will rest, taper to blend in the handle and re-wrap the handle with leather. Make or buy an arm guard and tab, or even a glove and you're set. J.D. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wahkahchim@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boy's Flintlock Rifles Date: 13 Sep 2002 20:53:46 EDT Does anyone make a good historically accurate flintlock rifle suitable for use by a 10 year old, which is decent enough to be a life-long utilitarian rifle? Thanks! Pete ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source.........thanks guys Date: 13 Sep 2002 22:09:12 EDT --part1_103.1b596a55.2ab3f448_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks everyone for your info on bacon sources, I will consider all sources...... BTW------ I have made several linen haversacks with hemp straps, they are a bit loose....sagging and I would like a recipe for waterproofing with linseed oil, I know that pure linseed oil takes time to dry, what can be mixed it and what portions should it be mixed with for it to dry in half the time..? hope all this makes sense. Frank Sablan Midland,Texas --part1_103.1b596a55.2ab3f448_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">thanks everyone for your info on bacon sources, I will consider all sources......<BR> <BR> BTW------ I have made several linen haversacks with hemp straps, they are a bit loose....sagging and I would like a recipe for waterproofing with linseed oil, I know that pure linseed oil takes time to dry, what can be mixed it and what portions should it be mixed with for it to dry in half the time..? hope all this makes sense.<BR> <BR> Frank Sablan<BR> Midland,Texas</FONT></HTML> --part1_103.1b596a55.2ab3f448_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Eastern Rendezvous Date: 13 Sep 2002 22:22:00 -0400 Leaving out bright and early on Monday AM for Holtwood, PA for the NRLHF Eastern Vous... This time we will be up on Traders Row... Vicki (The Mouse) is doing her herbal store... Meadowsweet Trading Company. Y'all stop on by and have a cup of coffee or something stronger if you've a mind... Always enjoy meeting new friends... pe to see many of you there... Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "busterize" <busterize@oldwest.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Double Messages Date: 13 Sep 2002 19:28:19 -0700 Yep, I get double messages and it's darned irritatin'. Wish some folks would edit when they answer. BTW, what's a good, natural deskunker? Geri ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boy's Flintlock Rifles Date: 14 Sep 2002 04:41:37 +0000 Try Matt Avance at TVM in Corinth, Mississippi... they should be able to help out. Check their site out on the internet... don't have the address but you shouldn't have any trouble finding it, hope this helps. SCott McMahon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: experimental tinning Date: 15 Sep 2002 08:50:34 -0600 (MDT) > Jim, I don't know how to tin but I soldered plenty of stuff. I would imagine you'd have to use a good flux to make the solder or tin stick. I'd also scuff up the cup tin first too. I would think lead free solder would work as it's safe for drinking water pipes, it just might get more expensive than bulk tin. Preheating of metals before soldering or brazing is standard procedure. I'd certainly use my least favorite cup first. I'd also use a respirator or prevailing winds to your advantage as molten tin vapors can't be good for you. My very nice tinned cup, purchased at Fort Union before they got cheaper ones, is tinned on the inside and looks like it was simply rolled around with molten tin inside it. The outside looks like it was dipped only deep enough to seal the bottom. I'd sure like to know what you find out about it or how your experimental tinning goes, especially if you use pure tin. I don't think the tinners are giving any of their secrets away! Hope I didn't give you any advice you already knew. Soldering is one way primitive people can fix a lot of gear. A welder friend of mine even brazed the broken cast iron jaw of a Newhouse trap back together! A good welder can weld anything but a broken heart! (punchline deleted) Good Luck and let us know what you find out, Beaverboy LIST, I'M GOING TIN THREE TIN CUPS THAT I OWN AND NEED ALL THE ADVICE > THAT I CAN GET ON HOW TO DO IT. DO I USE PURE TIN OR LEAD FREE > SOLDER? DO I NEED TO HEAT THE CUPS BEFORE APPLYING THE TIN? WHAT DO > I USE TO BRUSH THE TIN AROUND? THANKS FOR THE HELP. > > JIM AMM1798. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Great stuff for sale in Washington Date: 15 Sep 2002 09:43:18 -0600 I have a friend who died recently and his son is selling some of his collection of horns, hides, etc in Seattle Washington. I just reviewed the items by photos he sent me to give him an idea of prices. There is a nice large buffalo robe. If you are interested in these items. email me and i will forward his phone #. I do not want anyone calling him that is not serious in purchasing this stuff. the family has it in storage and wants to move it out. If you live in the area, you could probally get a great deal on it. Some of the items include, a zebra rug, moose, elk deer cow horns. mounted antelope horns, two blk/white sheep? rugs, several rolls of latigo leather, roll of rawhide, bobcat rug, various bones of elk, deer, ie jaw bones, etc. complete red fox skin, and lots of buffalo scrap I sent him a few years ago. joe -- Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray Sayah Jr." <rsayah@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Great stuff for sale in Washington Date: 15 Sep 2002 22:39:20 -0700 Hi, I'm starting a mountainman program at a new summer camp about an hour from Seattle. I would love to explore the possibilities of getting some of the buffalo, deer, and elk parts as well as the red fox. Could you send me the number? -Ray -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Brandl Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:43 AM I have a friend who died recently and his son is selling some of his collection of horns, hides, etc in Seattle Washington. I just reviewed the items by photos he sent me to give him an idea of prices. There is a nice large buffalo robe. If you are interested in these items. email me and i will forward his phone #. I do not want anyone calling him that is not serious in purchasing this stuff. the family has it in storage and wants to move it out. If you live in the area, you could probally get a great deal on it. Some of the items include, a zebra rug, moose, elk deer cow horns. mounted antelope horns, two blk/white sheep? rugs, several rolls of latigo leather, roll of rawhide, bobcat rug, various bones of elk, deer, ie jaw bones, etc. complete red fox skin, and lots of buffalo scrap I sent him a few years ago. joe -- Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: boys flintlock rifle Date: 16 Sep 2002 06:59:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C25D4E.A43D2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete asked, < <Does anyone make a good historically accurate flintlock rifle = suitable for=20 use by a 10 year old, which is decent enough to be a life-long = utilitarian=20 rifle?> I don't know of a maker that specializes in boys rifles but any = custom maker can do the job for you. However, you also want it to be a = "life-long" thing and that complicates matters as boys do not tend to = remain small for their lifetime. You expensive rifle will probably end = up collecting dust after about three years. A more practical solution to get him started in muzzle loading is to = get ahold of an inexpensive underhammer, like one of the H&As and just = saw the stock to fit. Later you can replace the stock at low cost or = make one of your own. Not a flinter but a good way to start without = sacrificing the kids college money. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C25D4E.A43D2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> Pete asked,</DIV> <DIV> <<BR> <Does anyone make = a good=20 historically accurate flintlock rifle suitable for <BR>use by a 10 year = old,=20 which is decent enough to be a life-long utilitarian = <BR>rifle?></DIV> <DIV> I don't know of a maker that specializes in boys = rifles=20 but any custom maker can do the job for you. However, you also want it = to be a=20 "life-long" thing and that complicates matters as boys do not tend to = remain=20 small for their lifetime. You expensive rifle will probably end up = collecting=20 dust after about three years.</DIV> <DIV> A more practical solution to get him started in = muzzle=20 loading is to get ahold of an inexpensive underhammer, like one of the = H&As=20 and just saw the stock to fit. Later you can replace the stock at low = cost or=20 make one of your own. Not a flinter but a good way to start without = sacrificing=20 the kids college money.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Frank G. Fusco<BR>Mountain Home, AR<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/">http://groups= .yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/</A></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C25D4E.A43D2CA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Return from Elk Hunt Date: 17 Sep 2002 08:12:07 -0600 Just returned from an 8 day cow elk hunt in a traditional muzzleloader unit in Idaho. One member of our party made meat with his smoothbore. He made the shot at about 65 yards up hill. Bullet entered and broke a rib, passed through a lung and then through the spine. That cow dropped like a ton of bricks and rolled almost down to the creek. My son finished her off with a head shot from his flinter. We in total saw 14 cows, 2 bulls, 2 bears (one of which got some lead flung at it, and several grouse. Some of the grouse made it home with me. My son and I are returning this weekend for 4 more days of cow hunting. Dennis Knapp aka Sticher Southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1084 Date: 17 Sep 2002 08:32:56 -0600 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:53:46 EDT > From: Wahkahchim@aol.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boy's Flintlock Rifles > > Does anyone make a good historically accurate flintlock rifle suitable for > use by a 10 year old, which is decent enough to be a life-long utilitarian > rifle? > > Thanks! > Pete Pete, Check out Traditions. They make a youth model .50 cal flintlock. Price is right too at about $140-150. Both my boys use them. My oldest killed his first deer last year with his. Dennis Knapp aka Sticher Southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger Date: 18 Sep 2002 09:39:06 -0600 Hello, I thought maybe someone in the Fort Bridger area would be interested in this. Allen The very existance of the rendezvous as we know it will be discussed at the public meeting. It will be held at the Lyman Town Hall 10:00 a.m. on the 28th of september. 100 E Sage. It is very important for every one to be there. Please come and express what you liked or didn't like about the 2002 rendezvous. Thanks Kash (2002 Rendezvous Booshway) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) --0-1357595813-1032378604=:13963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sir: I would like information about obtaining a booth space to sell flintlock rifles at Ft. Bridger next year. Please contact me at my own e-mail address: d49_mbranson@yahoo.com Allen Hall wrote:Hello, I thought maybe someone in the Fort Bridger area would be interested in this. Allen The very existance of the rendezvous as we know it will be discussed at the public meeting. It will be held at the Lyman Town Hall 10:00 a.m. on the 28th of september. 100 E Sage. It is very important for every one to be there. Please come and express what you liked or didn't like about the 2002 rendezvous. Thanks Kash (2002 Rendezvous Booshway) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines --0-1357595813-1032378604=:13963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P>Sir: I would like information about obtaining a booth space to sell flintlock rifles at Ft. Bridger next year. Please contact me at my own e-mail address: d49_mbranson@yahoo.com <P> <B><I>Allen Hall <ALLENHALL@SRV.NET></I></B>wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hello,<BR><BR>I thought maybe someone in the Fort Bridger area would be interested in this.<BR><BR>Allen<BR><BR>The very existance of the rendezvous as we know it will be discussed at the<BR>public meeting. It will be held at the Lyman Town Hall 10:00 a.m. on the<BR>28th of september. 100 E Sage. It is very important for every one to be<BR>there. Please come and express what you liked or didn't like about the 2002<BR>rendezvous. <BR><BR>Thanks Kash<BR>(2002 Rendezvous Booshway)<BR><BR><BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <b><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! News</a></b> - Today's headlines --0-1357595813-1032378604=:13963-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Leadership Date: 18 Sep 2002 18:12:20 -0600 After meeting the requirements for Bossloper in the AMM, a member sends in his paper work. I had heard about how terribly long it often takes to get your number. Well, I did some of the footwork at Bridger but it still arrived in less than a week. I would like to thank the leadership, it appears that they have got it together. Sincerely Wynn Ormond 1854 Perhaps someone could post this on the Members list also so that no one misses my appreciation. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 19 Sep 2002 03:07:46 +0000 Any of you have any experience with working commercial braintan? I've used it once before but I don't remember whether or not I stretched it like normal commercially tanned buckskin. Any comments or suggestions? Scott McMahon _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 18 Sep 2002 23:24:30 EDT --part1_199.d66376a.2aba9d6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, My two cents experience with commerical or braintan is to stretch it. I have a buddy who has used commerical braintan and he stretched it and smoked it as well. If you dont mind what are you planning on making? Frank Sablan Midland,Texas --part1_199.d66376a.2aba9d6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Scott, <BR> My two cents experience with commerical or braintan is to stretch it. I have a buddy who has used commerical braintan and he stretched it and smoked it as well. If you dont mind what are you planning on making?<BR> <BR> Frank Sablan<BR> Midland,Texas</FONT></HTML> --part1_199.d66376a.2aba9d6e_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:14:34 -0700 > > Scott, > My two cents experience with commerical or braintan is to stretch it. I > have a buddy who has used commerical braintan and he stretched it and smoked > it as well. If you dont mind what are you planning on making? > > Frank Sablan > Midland,Texas > Hello the camp; As someone who is totally new to buckskinning what is the purpose of stretching and what is a good way to smoke the leather? [Reading the posts on this list I sure can tell I live in the wrong part of the country!] John Prince Yorba Linda, Ca. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Trade goods in the Nations Date: 19 Sep 2002 21:59:48 +0000 I never heard back from anyone regarding trade goods in the Nations... nobody has any suggestions, tips, comments? I'm assuming it's pretty much the same as anywhere else there was Indian trade but just wanted to see if there were any ledgers out there with a definitive answer. Scott McMahon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 19 Sep 2002 22:51:06 EDT --part1_8.2cc67d13.2abbe71a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my humble opinion both commercial and braintan leather will stretch if sewn directly into a garment. Example, I made a pair of commerical elkskin pants and didnt stretch the leather, well after wearing them a while, sitting and bending, I looked as if I was carrying a load in my backside and my knees were stretched as if carrying grapefruits. I had to readjust them and sew again. I just recently finished a pair of braintan dropfront breeches and stretched and stretched the hides and the finished product is still stretching abit esp. the waist band, should have but a canvas band inside the waistband to prevent stretching but I live and learn. again this is just my two cents worth, it has worked for me. On smoking the hides sew the hide into a tube and attach a small canvas tube (this will be over the smoke source) use real punky wood and smoke away. Hope all this helps --part1_8.2cc67d13.2abbe71a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In my humble opinion both commercial and braintan leather will stretch if sewn directly into a garment. Example, I made a pair of commerical elkskin pants and didnt stretch the leather, well after wearing them a while, sitting and bending, I looked as if I was carrying a load in my backside and my knees were stretched as if carrying grapefruits. I had to readjust them and sew again. I just recently finished a pair of braintan dropfront breeches and stretched and stretched the hides and the finished product is still stretching abit esp. the waist band, should have but a canvas band inside the waistband to prevent stretching but I live and learn. again this is just my two cents worth, it has worked for me. On smoking the hides sew the hide into a tube and attach a small canvas tube (this will be over the smoke source) use real punky wood and smoke away. Hope all this helps</FONT></HTML> --part1_8.2cc67d13.2abbe71a_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 20 Sep 2002 07:53:21 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2607A.CA515680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a review in today's paper about the Imax production of the = Lewis & Clark expedition. Not a "must see" film according to the review. The reviewer said the film is "gorgeous" and "maybe a little to = gorgeous". The entire two year trek is squeezed into 42 minutes on the = big screen. The reviewer also said, "the audience doesn't get a true sense of = the hardships.......". And for a conclusion, the film gives another version of the = pronunciation for Sacagawea. I won't try it here, or at all. Isn't this = pronunciation #85? Oh, well, it's Imax. I would enjoy seeing a full-length production = film on the L&C trek. Not holding my breath though. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2607A.CA515680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> There is a review in today's paper about the = Imax=20 production of the Lewis & Clark expedition. Not a "must see" film = according=20 to the review.</DIV> <DIV> The reviewer said the film is "gorgeous" and = "maybe a=20 little to gorgeous". The entire two year trek is squeezed into 42 = minutes on the=20 big screen.</DIV> <DIV> The reviewer also said, "the audience doesn't = get a true=20 sense of the hardships.......".</DIV> <DIV> And for a conclusion, the film gives another = version of=20 the pronunciation for Sacagawea. I won't try it here, or at all. Isn't = this=20 pronunciation #85?</DIV> <DIV> Oh, well, it's Imax. I would enjoy seeing a = full-length=20 production film on the L&C trek. Not holding my breath though.</DIV> <DIV>Frank G. Fusco<BR>Mountain Home, AR<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/">http://groups= .yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/</A></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2607A.CA515680-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 07:19:07 -0700 > In my humble opinion both commercial and braintan leather will stretch if > sewn directly into a garment. Example, I made a pair of commerical elkskin > pants and didnt stretch the leather, well after wearing them a while, sitting > and bending, I looked as if I was carrying a load in my backside and my knees > were stretched as if carrying grapefruits. I had to readjust them and sew > again. I just recently finished a pair of braintan dropfront breeches and > stretched and stretched the hides and the finished product is still > stretching abit esp. the waist band, should have but a canvas band inside the > waistband to prevent stretching but I live and learn. again this is just my > two cents worth, it has worked for me. On smoking the hides sew the hide > into a tube and attach a small canvas tube (this will be over the smoke > source) use real punky wood and smoke away. Hope all this helps > Thanks for the information. Your comment about a canvas band inside waistband to prevent stretching seems logical. Could you not also line the inside of the pants with muslin/linen to reduce stretching or is this not correct? J. Prince ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael F. Clark" <bmcclark@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 20 Sep 2002 09:54:35 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3115360475_253962_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you want to experience a bit of the L&C trek in a learning adventure style, my exploration partner, John Ruskey and I will be paddling our authentic dugout from the Three Forks to the Eads Bridge in St. Louis beginning October 7. This expedition is designed for classrooms and home schoolers, but you are welcome to join us, "virtually". Check out http://www.RuskeyandClark.com I saw the film also and thought that it focused a little bit too much on the helicopter shots of the river. That is the IMAX style...make your heart go thumpin' as you get the roller coaster effect. in the spirit of Big Medicine, mc -- Michael F. Clark Big Muddy Adventures Director / Learning Adventure Guide / Curriculum Coordinator http://www.ruskeyandclark.com http://www.bigmuddyadventure.com bmcclark@earthlink.net There is a review in today's paper about the Imax production of the Lewis & Clark expedition. Not a "must see" film according to the review. The reviewer said the film is "gorgeous" and "maybe a little to gorgeous". The entire two year trek is squeezed into 42 minutes on the big screen. The reviewer also said, "the audience doesn't get a true sense of the hardships.......". And for a conclusion, the film gives another version of the pronunciation for Sacagawea. I won't try it here, or at all. Isn't this pronunciation #85? Oh, well, it's Imax. I would enjoy seeing a full-length production film on the L&C trek. Not holding my breath though. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups..yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/> --MS_Mac_OE_3115360475_253962_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: MtMan-List: L&C film</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> If you want to experience a bit of the L&C trek in a learning adventure= style, my exploration partner, John Ruskey and I will be paddling our authe= ntic dugout from the Three Forks to the Eads Bridge in St. Louis beginning O= ctober 7. This expedition is designed for classrooms and home schooler= s, but you are welcome to join us, "virtually". Check out ht= tp://www.RuskeyandClark.com<BR> <BR> I saw the film also and thought that it focused a little bit too much on th= e helicopter shots of the river. That is the IMAX style...make your he= art go thumpin' as you get the roller coaster effect.<BR> <BR> in the spirit of Big Medicine,<BR> mc<BR> -- <BR> Michael F. Clark<BR> Big Muddy Adventures<BR> Director / Learning Adventure Guide / Curriculum Coordinator<BR> http://www.ruskeyandclark.com<BR> http://www.bigmuddyadventure.com<BR> bmcclark@earthlink.net<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> There is a review in today's paper about the= Imax production of the Lewis & Clark expedition. Not a "must see&q= uot; film according to the review.<BR> The reviewer said the film is "gorgeous" and &= quot;maybe a little to gorgeous". The entire two year trek is squeezed = into 42 minutes on the big screen.<BR> The reviewer also said, "the audience doesn't get a= true sense of the hardships.......".<BR> And for a conclusion, the film gives another version of = the pronunciation for Sacagawea. I won't try it here, or at all. Isn't this = pronunciation #85?<BR> Oh, well, it's Imax. I would enjoy seeing a full-length = production film on the L&C trek. Not holding my breath though.<BR> Frank G. Fusco<BR> Mountain Home, AR<BR> http://groups..yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ <http://groups.yahoo= .com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/> <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3115360475_253962_MIME_Part-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:03:57 +0000 Thanks for the comments! I've never stretched anything I've made out of braintan but I've really only used it for leggings and guantlets and not trousers which would probably be more likely to stretch. Regarding the waistband dilemma... I would suggest using a ducking or canvas liner from my experiences, don't know how "correct" this would be but I suspect that the people using these garments historically wouldn't have had the same pair of trousers long enough to worry about stretching waistbands... probably would've worn out fairly quick being worn all day everyday. Again, thanks for all the comments. Scott McMahon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 20 Sep 2002 13:08:14 EDT --part1_22.2f1d3d35.2abcaffe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk across the street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and Nezperce villages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the Villages as they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and willingness to even give a clear picture of the history of these people and what the Shoshoni were going threw at the time when they helped the expedition. To say the least I was very let down to think this movie was produced by National Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that the rest of the movie was of no historic value too. Better luck next time Crazy Cyot --part1_22.2f1d3d35.2abcaffe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Sorry to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk across the street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and Nezperce villages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the Villages as they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and willingness to even give a clear picture of the history of these people and what the Shoshoni were going threw at the time when they helped the expedition. To say the least I was very let down to think this movie was produced by National Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that the rest of the movie was of no historic value too. <BR> <BR>Better luck next time <BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML> --part1_22.2f1d3d35.2abcaffe_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 14:01:09 EDT --part1_47.23756e43.2abcbc65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leather stretches it's just the nature of the stuff, it's made of skin and skin stretches if it didn't when ya get fatter it would not fit ya any more. As for puree stretching it may help some but it's still going to stretch were it gets stress. Putting canvas in the waste bad is the best way to keep your breeches up and fitting you. It does not take long for leather to stretch, you could not ware them out fast enough to keep this from happening. As for them stretching to where ya, I looked as if ya was carrying a load in your backside and your knees were stretched as if carrying grapefruits. That's the way pantaloons and breeches looked they were made baggy in the seat that was the stile of them and if they are made of leather they will stretch in the knees no stopping it. As for lining the pants leather is warm enough to ware without doing this, I wouldn't. Make them and live in them and they will look like you have. See ya down the trail Crazy Cyot > --part1_47.23756e43.2abcbc65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2> Leather stretches it's just the nature of the stuff, it's made of skin and skin stretches if it didn't when ya get fatter it would not fit ya any more. As for puree stretching it may help some but it's still going to stretch were it gets stress. Putting canvas in the waste bad is the best way to keep your breeches up and fitting you. It does not take long for leather to stretch, you could not ware them out fast enough to keep this from happening. As for them stretching to where ya, I looked as if ya was carrying a load in your backside and your knees were stretched as if carrying grapefruits. <BR>That's the way pantaloons and breeches looked they were made baggy in the seat that was the stile of them and if they are made of leather they will stretch in the knees no stopping it. As for lining the pants leather is warm enough to ware without doing this, I wouldn't. Make them and live in them and they will look like you have. <BR>See ya down the trail <BR>Crazy Cyot <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR></FONT></HTML> --part1_47.23756e43.2abcbc65_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 18:20:15 +0000 Crazy Cyot, Agree with you on all but one point. Trousers and pantaloons did not have a droopy "diaper" butt during our periods of interest. That's great for the 1700's but they were well fitted for our period. Look at period illustrations, fashion plates or tailors guides and you will see a tighter, more fitted garment than what you are expecting. If anyone is interested I know of a great 19th century tailor that can make you a garment or pattern that'll fit like an original! Take care and we'll tlak to you later. SMc _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 18:11:48 EDT --part1_de.2d6dc190.2abcf724_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMO if you line the seat and/or legs of braintanned britches you will lose some if not all of the 'breatheablilty' of the material; one of it's outstanding properties. Barney --part1_de.2d6dc190.2abcf724_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>IMO if you line the seat and/or legs of braintanned britches you will lose some if not all of the 'breatheablilty' of the material; one of it's outstanding properties. Barney</B></FONT></HTML> --part1_de.2d6dc190.2abcf724_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 18:36:14 EDT --part1_d1.1e954ba4.2abcfcde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, I was just stating that if one stretches leather it is not as likely to stretch as much. I have made a pair of braintan leggins and stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched and fit great. --part1_d1.1e954ba4.2abcfcde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I agree, I was just stating that if one stretches leather it is not as likely to stretch as much. I have made a pair of braintan leggins and stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched and fit great.</FONT></HTML> --part1_d1.1e954ba4.2abcfcde_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 20:06:52 EDT --part1_15b.14797c44.2abd121c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/20/2002 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes: > stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they > have stretched and fit great Bingo! It's some work stretching, but well worth the effort. And then no need for lining or that 'load in your pants' look! <G> Barn --part1_15b.14797c44.2abd121c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 9/20/2002 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">stretched them and had sewn them skin tight, now a few years later, they have stretched and fit great</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B><BR> Bingo! It's some work stretching, but well worth the effort. And then no need for lining or that 'load in your pants' look! <G> Barn</B></FONT></HTML> --part1_15b.14797c44.2abd121c_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: leather question...smoking tip Date: 20 Sep 2002 22:19:32 EDT In a message dated 9/19/02 10:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes: << On smoking the hides sew the hide into a tube and attach a small canvas tube (this will be over the smoke source) use real punky wood and smoke away. >> To keep from scorching or cooking your hide...put a 6-8' stove pipe with a 90 degree bend in it into the cloth tube...this prevents scorching from flareups and gives smoke time to cool a bit. Other end, of course, goes into smoke source. You can even walk off and leave the hide if need be. -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: WAS leather question NOW lining breeches Date: 20 Sep 2002 22:25:25 EDT In a message dated 9/20/02 10:25:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us writes: << Could you not also line the inside of the pants with muslin/linen to reduce stretching or is this not correct? >> You could indeed and would be very period correct. Often, the lining of a garment was sewn to its corresponding outer panel before being all sewn together. This was treated as a single piece of cloth. So you'd not have an "independent" lining that moved on its own as we have in suit coats today.For comfort sake, cut lining a bit (not by much 1/8-1/4") than the outer panel. This will also produce some of the warmest breeches you have ever worn!!! <BG> -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather question Date: 20 Sep 2002 22:31:27 EDT In a message dated 9/20/02 11:06:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mountedranger@hotmail.com writes: << I suspect that the people using these garments historically wouldn't have had the same pair of trousers long enough to worry about stretching waistbands... probably would've worn out fairly quick being worn all day everyday. Again, thanks for all the comments. Scott McMahon >> Some may not have. I suspect that other methods than braintan were used to produce a goodly portion of the leather used in garments. Even so, journals indicate that some people kept them long enough to have them dyed to cover the stains they had accumulated while hunting/farming. Don't forget, these things tended and tend to wear in particular spots. Patching a garment was VERY COMMON in the 18th century. I'd imagine the worn spots woulda been covered with a patch. -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon source.........thanks guys Date: 21 Sep 2002 15:10:13 -0500 Frank, On the trail back in '79 I found that plain old store bought bacon, smoked sausage and cheese would keep in my saddle bags for as long as it lasted. I do find the slabs from New Braunfels, TX are right tasty, surprised Lanney didn't bring it up. I now buy mine from a small family butcher shop that specializes in meat raised without hormones and such on their own family farm. Tell them I sent you, they'll ship anywhere. http://www.northwestmissouri.com/Sponsors/rainsmeats/RainsNaturalMeats.htm If you're eating bacon, by default you are a pork eater, which didn't just mean green horn but also someone on hard times like the short hard life of a Voyageur. If you ain't got fresh hump ribs to chew: its hard times. Enter the AMM buffalo raffle and enjoy real shinin' times with hump ribs and boudins aplenty. Best chance you may ever have to bag a buff. __________________________ AMM "The Great Buffalo Raffle": <http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html>http://conner110.tripod.com/AMM-hunt.html ______________________________ You are looking to make a real mess of your haversack. All of the driers available to us today (i.e., Japan Drier) are now petroleum derivatives and do not work like litharge & other lead based driers used to work. I find greasy, stiff, oily, waxy, stuff of all description less than pleasant to use and the supposed treatment doesn't seem to do much over leaving well enough alone. A period recipe for waterproofing porous cloth is included in: "The Tomahawk & Long Rifle", the journal of The American Mountain Men, Volume 27, Number 3, Page 12. Subscriptions are available @ $20.00 year. How to light a candle from a spark; tell time at night; document "bumfodder", "air mattresses" and much more was first published in the T&LR, be first to really be in the know. Subscribe today. An alternative would be to hot wax the cloth. Sticky in summer, stiff in cold. Would a lining solve the problem with less increase in weight? If you really want to stiffen it up, make the fabric waterproof, keep it traditional, and (depending on you) make it prettier or not. Paint to fancy with artists oil colors in earth pigments. It will take weeks to dry. Black is a nice traditional color for painted (jacked) cloth and leather. Real asphaltum varnish is again available - if you can stand the smell (it also dries rather slowly). Regimental colors and emblems are nice if you play soldier. Hex symbols could be appropriate. Even a camouflage pattern might be proper: see "The Tomahawk & LongRifle", the journal of The American Mountain Men, Volume 27, Number 3, Page 4. Subscriptions are available @ $20.00 year. That's where we publish the really good stuff, first. John... At 09:09 PM 9/13/02, you wrote: >thanks everyone for your info on bacon sources, I will consider all >sources...... > >BTW------ I have made several linen haversacks with hemp straps, they are >a bit loose....sagging and I would like a recipe for waterproofing with >linseed oil, I know that pure linseed oil takes time to dry, what can be >mixed it and what portions should it be mixed with for it to dry in half >the time..? hope all this makes sense. > >Frank Sablan >Midland,Texas ========================================== John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of Rights. Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the state. ============================================= ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: MtMan-List: bacon, etc Date: 21 Sep 2002 17:07:28 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26191.5D513330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John wrote: I do find the slabs from New Braunfels, TX are right tasty, surprised = Lanney didn't bring it up. John Don't know about any bacon from New Braunfels but I might look it up. = You got a name of the place? Those Germans do know how to convert = critters to food. =20 Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26191.5D513330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>John wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> I do find the slabs from New Braunfels, TX are right=20 tasty, surprised Lanney didn't bring it up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Don't know about any bacon = from New=20 Braunfels but I might look it up. You got a name of the=20 place? Those Germans do know how to convert critters = to=20 food. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT=20 size=3D4><FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney Ratcliff <A=20 href=3D"mailto:lanneyratcliff@charter.net">lanneyratcliff@charter.net</A>= <BR>______________________________________________________________<BR>Aux= =20 Aliments du Pays<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26191.5D513330-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: kids rifle Date: 21 Sep 2002 17:59:5 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>To whoever was asking about a kids rifle. I just saw this on the on-line round robin:</DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Marvis Chance </STRONG> - September 20, 2002<BR><A href="mailto:mrcvcoa1@hotmail.com">mrcvcoa1@hotmail.com</A><BR>FOR SALE JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS: Dixie Super Cub 50 cal. flint rifle. Just the thing for a child, the lady in your life, or to use as an excellent brush gun. This is just the ticket for Christmas to bring that smile to the face of someone who is special . 28 1/2" octagon barrel, 7/8" across the flats. Double set triggers, and the lock is a great sparker. Overall 44". The wood looks to be European walnut, the the brass furniture is engraved, includes nose cap, thimbles, buttplate, toe plate,trigger guard and patchbox. It has a satin oil finish and weighs about 7 lbs. Looks brand new. Asking $250.00 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon, etc Date: 21 Sep 2002 21:14:52 EDT --part1_93.23ac5ba4.2abe738c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I almost forgot, Fredricksburg,Texas has a place called Opa's meats, most grocery stores carry Opa's sausage, I have purchased dried sausage from them, I have had some at least two years old hanging in the garage, and still good. check it out Opa's smoked meats-------><A HREF="http://www.opassmokedmeats.net/">Home</A> --part1_93.23ac5ba4.2abe738c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I almost forgot, Fredricksburg,Texas has a place called Opa's meats, most grocery stores carry Opa's sausage, I have purchased dried sausage from them, I have had some at least two years old hanging in the garage, and still good. check it out Opa's smoked meats-------><A HREF="http://www.opassmokedmeats.net/">Home</A> </FONT></HTML> --part1_93.23ac5ba4.2abe738c_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@wyoming.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 21 Sep 2002 22:08:20 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C261BB.65D6A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree completely. I did some early consulting on the film with National Geographic. It quickly became apparent that they were interested in neither historic or geographic accuracy (the pictures of the Corps of Discovery portaging the Great Falls of the Missouri were taken near Idaho Falls!). I was so convinced that the film was going to be a disaster that I asked (insisted) that my name not be used in any endorsement, advertisement, or credits for the film. Haven't seen it after my last screening of the tape so I don't know whether they complied with my wishes or not. But, Crazy, you are right. A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done much better. John L. Allen -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GazeingCyot@cs.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:08 AM Sorry to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk across the street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and Nezperce villages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the Villages as they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and willingness to even give a clear picture of the history of these people and what the Shoshoni were going threw at the time when they helped the expedition. To say the least I was very let down to think this movie was produced by National Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that the rest of the movie was of no historic value too. Better luck next time Crazy Cyot ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C261BB.65D6A6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C261BB.64BA8840"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"place"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple = style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree completely. I did some = early consulting on the film with National Geographic. It quickly became = apparent that they were interested in <span class=3DGramE>neither historic = or</span> geographic accuracy (the pictures of the Corps of Discovery portaging = the </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Great Falls</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font = size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> of the </span></font><st1:State><st1:place><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Missouri</span></font></st1:place></st1:State><font = size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> were taken near </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font = size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Idaho Falls</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font = size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>!). I was so convinced that the film was going to be a = disaster that I asked (insisted) that my name not be used in any endorsement, advertisement, or credits for the film. Haven’t seen it after my = last screening of the tape so I don’t know whether they complied with = my wishes or not. But, Crazy, you are right. <span class=3DGramE>A bad, bad = piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done much = better.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John L. = Allen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>GazeingCyot@cs.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September = 20, 2002 11:08 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = hist_text@lists.xmission.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: MtMan-List: = L&C film</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sorry to say Mike Powell = and I work on this movie and I would not walk across the street to see it my self. = We put together the Shoshoni and Nezperce villages for it. With there lack of = wanting to portray the Villages as they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their = lack and willingness to even give a clear picture of the history of these = people and what the Shoshoni were going threw at the time when they helped the = expedition. To say the least I was very let down to think this movie was produced by = National Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that the = rest of the movie was of no historic value too. <br> <br> Better luck next time <br> Crazy Cyot</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C261BB.65D6A6A0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon, etc Date: 22 Sep 2002 01:58:39 -0500 Lanney, The New Braunfels Smokehouse is located less than 2 blocks off the exit from I-35 in New Braunfels. You pretty much have to drive right by it for you to get out of town and go anywhere. They even publish a fancy full color catalog for mail order. I'm really surprised, its not like you to miss a good place to chow down. Try their breakfasts. You do know about Rudy's, don't you? John... At 05:07 PM 9/21/02, you wrote: >John wrote: > I do find the slabs from New Braunfels, TX are right tasty, surprised > Lanney didn't bring it up. > >John >Don't know about any bacon from New Braunfels but I might look it >up. You got a name of the place? Those Germans do know how to convert >critters to food. > > >Lanney Ratcliff <mailto:lanneyratcliff@charter.net>lanneyratcliff@charter.net >______________________________________________________________ >Aux Aliments du Pays ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >====================================== >A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should >have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence >from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own >government. - George Washington >==================================== --George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 22 Sep 2002 03:20:53 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C261E7.0ED0A690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Allen wrote: A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done = much better. You are exactly right, John, the National Geographic piece about L&C = shot so wide of the mark to be laughable if it were not considered = authentic (based on the reputation of National Geographic) by so many = folks who don't know enough about the subject to understand the = problems. I think a larger problem is that this thing will be shown = routinely for God knows how long and might eventually become widely = accepted as some sort of benchmark piece about L&C. It has already been = shown several times and I'm afraid it will take on a life of it's = own.....like "It's a Wonderful Life" or something. Just this year I = saw another screening of the piece about the twin brothers who did a lot = of research on Grizzlies back in the '50's.....you remember the Griz = attacking that 1957 Ford station wagon? I saw that when I was in Junior = High and it still shows up. I hope it is accurate because it has been = shown repeatedly for over forty years. I'm afraid the L&C film will = have similar longevity. Gak!! 3:18am and can't sleep in Texas Lanney Ratcliff ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C261E7.0ED0A690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3DWord.Document name=3DProgId> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <META content=3D"Microsoft Word 10" name=3DOriginator><LINK=20 href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C261BB.64BA8840" = rel=3DFile-List><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"State"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"City"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"place"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US style=3D"tab-interval: .5in" vLink=3Dpurple = link=3Dblue=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080>John Allen = wrote:</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080> <SPAN class=3DGramE>A = bad, bad piece=20 of work by an outfit that should and could have done much=20 better.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT><o:p><FONT = face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>You are exactly right, John, the = National=20 Geographic piece about L&C shot so wide of the mark to be = laughable if it=20 were not considered authentic (based on the reputation = of National=20 Geographic) by so many folks who don't know = enough about=20 the subject to understand the problems. I think = a larger=20 problem is that this thing will be shown routinely for God knows how = long=20 and might eventually become widely accepted as some sort of = benchmark=20 piece about L&C. It has already been shown several times and = I'm=20 afraid it will take on a life of it's own.....like "It's a Wonderful = Life" or=20 something. Just this year I saw another screening of the = piece=20 about the twin brothers who did a lot of research on Grizzlies back in = the=20 '50's.....you remember the Griz attacking that 1957 Ford station = wagon? =20 I saw that when I was in Junior High and it still shows up. I = hope it is=20 accurate because it has been shown repeatedly for over forty = years. =20 I'm afraid the L&C film will have similar longevity.=20 Gak!!</FONT></o:p></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><o:p><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D4></FONT></o:p> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><o:p><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D4>3:18am=20 and can't sleep in Texas</FONT></o:p></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><o:p><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D4>Lanney=20 Ratcliff</FONT></o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C261E7.0ED0A690-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Dean Rudy Date: 22 Sep 2002 09:14:03 -0600 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3115530843_189122_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dean, Please contact me off the list. Ole --MS_Mac_OE_3115530843_189122_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: MtMan-List:Dean Rudy</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>Dean,<BR> Please contact me off the list.<BR> Ole<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> <BR> </FONT></FONT><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3115530843_189122_MIME_Part-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" <amm1769@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film Date: 22 Sep 2002 13:03:05 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C26238.63ED9380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will say that I did have a chance to see the movie at the IMAX in West = Yellowstone a couple of weeks ago and although what Crazy said is correct= in regards to the little Frenchman with a "vision" not wanting to hear w= hat we had to say concerning the state of the Lemhi's at the time. They = did a pretty good job on the film and the narration by Jeff Bridges is go= od. Yes, they did take some liberty with the filming locations and that'= s due to the budget however, The film is only 45 minutes long and they cr= ammed alot of info in that amount of time. I did purchase a copy of the = video and find it a good "basic" overview of the Corps of Discovery. Alo= ng with the L&C resoures I have it works pretty good. You all would be s= urprised to know that Crazy and I set 11 tipis for the Shosoni Village sh= ot, they only showed 2 and it was shot at night and lasted on screen abou= t 15 sec. That was a far cry from what that village looked like in the d= aylight. It looked like the fattest Souix Camp one could have imagined. Anyway, the show is worth seeing and the ariel shots are great. They do = a good job of portraying the hardships of the trip. Later, Mike Powell AMM#1769 =20 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:11 PM I agree completely. I did some early consulting on the film with National= Geographic. It quickly became apparent that they were interested in neit= her historic or geographic accuracy (the pictures of the Corps of Discove= ry portaging the Great Falls of the Missouri were taken near Idaho Falls!= ). I was so convinced that the film was going to be a disaster that I ask= ed (insisted) that my name not be used in any endorsement, advertisement,= or credits for the film. Haven=E2=80=99t seen it after my last screening= of the tape so I don=E2=80=99t know whether they complied with my wishes= or not. But, Crazy, you are right. A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit= that should and could have done much better. =20 John L. Allen =20 =20 -----Original Message----- ission.com] On Behalf Of GazeingCyot@cs.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:08 AM =20 Sorry to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk ac= ross the street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and Nezpe= rce villages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the Villages a= s they were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and willingness to e= ven give a clear picture of the history of these people and what the Shos= honi were going threw at the time when they helped the expedition. To say= the least I was very let down to think this movie was produced by Nation= al Geographic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that t= he rest of the movie was of no historic value too. =20 Better luck next time =20 Crazy CyotGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://exp= lorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C26238.63ED9380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>I will say tha= t I did have a chance to see the movie at the IMAX in West Yellowstone a = couple of weeks ago and although what Crazy said is correct in regards to= the little Frenchman with a "vision" not wanting to hear what we had to = say concerning the state of the Lemhi's at the time. They did a pre= tty good job on the film and the narration by Jeff Bridges is good. = Yes, they did take some liberty with the filming locations and that's du= e to the budget however, The film is only 45 minutes long and they cramme= d alot of info in that amount of time. I did purchase a copy of the= video and find it a good "basic" overview of the Corps of Discovery= . Along with the L&C resoures I have it works pretty good. = ; You all would be surprised to know that Crazy and I set 11 tipis for th= e Shosoni Village shot, they only showed 2 and it was shot at night&= nbsp;and lasted on screen about 15 sec. That was a far cry from wha= t that village looked like in the daylight. It looked like the fatt= est Souix Camp one could have imagined.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV= >Anyway, the show is worth seeing and the ariel shots are great. Th= ey do a good job of portraying the hardships of the trip.</DIV> <DIV>&nbs= p;</DIV> <DIV>Later,</DIV> <DIV>Mike Powell AMM#1769 </DIV> <DIV>&nb= sp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MAR= GIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV s= tyle=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D= "BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> John L= . Allen</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, Sept= ember 21, 2002 10:11 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> = hist_text@lists.xmission.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sub= ject:</B> RE: MtMan-List: L&C film</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <META cont= ent=3DWord.Document name=3DProgId> <META content=3D"Microsoft Word 10" na= me=3DGenerator> <META content=3D"Microsoft Word 10" name=3DOriginator><LI= NK href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C261BB.64BA8840" rel=3DFile-List><?xml:name= space prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:= SmartTagType name=3D"State" namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:off= ice:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name=3D"City" namespaceur= i=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:Smar= tTagType name=3D"place" namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:= smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)= } </STYLE> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FO= NT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COL= OR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree completely. I did some early consul= ting on the film with National Geographic. It quickly became apparent tha= t they were interested in <SPAN class=3DGramE>neither historic or</SPAN> = geographic accuracy (the pictures of the Corps of Discovery portaging the= </SPAN></FONT><?xml:namespace prefix =3D st1 ns =3D "urn:schemas-microso= ft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place><FONT face=3DArial color=3D= navy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: A= rial">Great Falls</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT face=3DArial = color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-F= AMILY: Arial"> of the </SPAN></FONT><st1:State><st1:place><FONT face=3DAr= ial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FO= NT-FAMILY: Arial">Missouri</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:State><FONT fac= e=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: na= vy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> were taken near </SPAN></FONT><st1:City><st1:pla= ce><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10p= t; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Idaho Falls</SPAN></FONT></st1:place>= </st1:City><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S= IZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">!). I was so convinced that t= he film was going to be a disaster that I asked (insisted) that my name n= ot be used in any endorsement, advertisement, or credits for the film. Ha= ven=E2=80=99t seen it after my last screening of the tape so I don=E2=80=99= t know whether they complied with my wishes or not. But, Crazy, you are r= ight. <SPAN class=3DGramE>A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit that shou= ld and could have done much better.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <= P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D= "FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPA= N></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D= 2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John L= . Allen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DAr= ial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FO= NT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNorma= l><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt= ; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P= class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D= 2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Mess= age-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> owner-h= ist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] <= B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>GazeingCyot@c= s.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, Se= ptember 20, 2002 11:08 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SP= AN></B> hist_text@lists.xmission.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bo= ld">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: MtMan-List: L&C film</SPAN></FONT></P> <P= class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New R= oman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></= FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D= Arial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry = to say Mike Powell and I work on this movie and I would not walk across t= he street to see it my self. We put together the Shoshoni and Nezperce vi= llages for it. With there lack of wanting to portray the Villages as they= were described by Lewis and Clark. Their lack and willingness to even gi= ve a clear picture of the history of these people and what the Shoshoni w= ere going threw at the time when they helped the expedition. To say the l= east I was very let down to think this movie was produced by National Geo= graphic (I excepted better from them.) So I am not surprised that the res= t of the movie was of no historic value too. <BR><BR>Better luck next tim= e <BR>Crazy Cyot</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></= HTML><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer downlo= ad : <a href=3D'http://explorer.msn.com'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br><= /p> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C26238.63ED9380-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) Date: 22 Sep 2002 14:30:11 -0600 (MDT) > Lanney, I think we all remember that clip of the Griz slamming into the station wagon. It was the Craighead twins of the Jackson Hole area. But whats wrong with that clip? Its a real grizzly, slamming into a real vehicle. Perhaps people should think all grizzlies will slam into their vehicles if they drive too close to them. I don't think the griz footage can even be compared to the L&C film. Perhaps I'm missing your point. Please excuse my Grizzly humor. How do you make a regular gun a good Griz gun? Take off the front sight, that way it doesn't hurt so bad when the Griz shoves it up your rearend! Tell that one to people heading back into Griz country. Hikers in Yellowstone and Glacier Park sometimes wear large steel bells (like Indian dancers wear) to warn Grizzlies that they are coming. How do you tell black bear scat from Grizzly scat? Grizzly bear scat is the one with the bear bells in it! We've had Grizzlies eating corn spilled during train wrecks that has fermented and the Grizzlies were getting drunk! How'd you like to run into a drunk Grizzly! Now that would be a real bear hug! L&C were pretty cocky when they first heard of the Grizzly bear from the Indians. They felt their rifles were much more superior than the indians bow, arrows and indifferent fuzees. After a few run-ins with the "White Bear" Lewis wrote something like, The men's curiosity towards the white bear is satisfied and that he'd rather fight two indians than one White Bear. He would know as he did both. Got to love them Grizzlies! Go Griz! (Our University of Montana football team and mascot!) Sincerely, Beaverboy >John Allen wrote: > A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done > much better. > You are exactly right, John, the National Geographic piece about L&C > shot so wide of the mark to be laughable if it were not considered > authentic (based on the reputation of National Geographic) by so many > folks who don't know enough about the subject to understand the > problems. I think a larger problem is that this thing will be shown > routinely for God knows how long and might eventually become widely > accepted as some sort of benchmark piece about L&C. It has already > been shown several times and I'm afraid it will take on a life of it's > own.....like "It's a Wonderful Life" or something. Just this year I > saw another screening of the piece about the twin brothers who did a > lot of research on Grizzlies back in the '50's.....you remember the > Griz attacking that 1957 Ford station wagon? I saw that when I was in > Junior High and it still shows up. I hope it is accurate because it > has been shown repeatedly for over forty years. I'm afraid the L&C > film will have similar longevity. Gak!! > > 3:18am and can't sleep in Texas > Lanney Ratcliff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) Date: 22 Sep 2002 17:06:29 -0500 > Lanney, I think we all remember that clip of the Griz slamming into the station wagon. It was the Craighead twins of the Jackson Hole area. But whats wrong with that clip? Its a real grizzly, slamming into a real vehicle. Perhaps people should think all grizzlies will slam into their vehicles if they drive too close to them. I don't think the griz footage can even be compared to the L&C film. Perhaps I'm missing your point. Beav I didn't say, or mean to imply, that there was anything wrong with the Craighead clip. My point is that I'm afraid that the L&C show might achieve similar longevity as has the film about the Craighead's work. The Craighead piece has endured for almost half a century because of its merits. The L&C show is a lightweight and doesn't deserve similar icon status, at least in my opinion. However, I bet that the History Channel will show it at least twice a year forever...with each showing giving it more gravitas. That would be a version of the Big Lie politics of the 90's....tell a Big Lie often enough and eventually people will believe it. Another thing, that Griz didn't attack the Ford because the Craighead's drove too close to it, rather it woke up too soon after the Craigheads darted it to take measurements and came up plenty mad. That was one peeved bear and I am glad I wasn't in the station wagon, as the fight was no better than a draw from what I saw. Lanney .....I am referring to the full length History Channel show about L&C, not the IMAX version, which I have not seen. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) Date: 22 Sep 2002 17:58:54 -0600 (MDT) >>Lanney, Now I understand what you meant. When you questioned the Griz clip accuracy I thought you didn't like it. I saw the L&C special that had guys in it that were wearing candy stripe capotes as they crossed the pass. They also interviewed Karsminski. It wasn't the best special but it wasn't the worse. I tell people to read the journals and follow the L&C Trail. Castor Garcon > > Beav > I didn't say, or mean to imply, that there was anything wrong with the > Craighead clip. My point is that I'm afraid that the L&C show might > achieve similar longevity as has the film about the Craighead's work. > The Craighead piece has endured for almost half a century because of > its merits. The L&C show is a lightweight and doesn't deserve similar > icon status, at least in my opinion. However, I bet that the History > Channel will show it at least twice a year forever...with each showing > giving it more gravitas. That would be a version of the Big Lie > politics of the 90's....tell a Big Lie often enough and eventually > people will believe it. > Another thing, that Griz didn't attack the Ford because the Craighead's > drove too close to it, rather it woke up too soon after the Craigheads > darted it to take measurements and came up plenty mad. That was one > peeved bear and I am glad I wasn't in the station wagon, as the fight > was no better than a draw from what I saw. > Lanney > .....I am referring to the full length History Channel show about L&C, > not the IMAX version, which I have not seen. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: manbear <manbear@netonecom.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Old Time Recipes and Remedies Date: 24 Sep 2002 14:46:11 -0400 Hi All, I found this page of Old Time Recipes and Remedies while surfing the web and thought that some of you might be interested in taking a look. Enjoy Manbear http://waltonfeed.com/old/mama/index.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Hiveranno Date: 24 Sep 2002 16:56:05 -0600 I was looking through some old writings of mine and found this from years ago. Perhaps some of you will relate. THE HIVERANNO There is something grossly romantic about being well mounted with an expertly prepared pack animal in tow. It brings up mystical images of an old hiveranno working his way up some long forgotten trail, living by his wits, and guided by his lust for treasures. After trying to fill his saddle, I have great respect for that man in history. Horse packing is arduous work. Care must be taken to keep your stock and packs balanced and in good condition. Also, when on the trail two or more animals require continual concern to keep out of trouble. He not only lived with these experiences I can share, but also lived with the pressing danger of losing his hair to a savages scalp pole. I am not the type who expends lots of energy trying to look impressive, but a feeling of unadulterated pride fills my soul when someone on the trail looks admiringly on my carefully tied knots and well mannered mounts. A ghost from the past; just riding through. WY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Darilek" <glenn@leaklocationservices.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Old Time Recipes and Remedies Date: 25 Sep 2002 07:25:02 -0500 Those LDS recipes are from grandmothers, so they may not be more than say 100 years old. Indeed, the first of the recipes called for baking powder, which was not invented until about 1850. I found the same anachronism and others in a recipe book published by the Daughters of the Texas Revolution in some of the recipes that were claimed to be pre-1836. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Made meat elk hunting Date: 25 Sep 2002 10:04:44 -0600 Returned to work today after another long weekend of elk hunting in Idaho. My son, Alan, age 14, killed his first elk with his Traditions .50 cal flintlock. He made a great shot that took out the liver and heart. It was about a 30-35 yard shot. We had the pack goats with us and were able to make it out in one trip. This will be a mighty fine eatin' elk as it was a cow calf. Had the hangin' tenders last night for dinner. Life just don't get any better than that!!! My younger son was with us on the trip so got to expereince the thrill of it all too. He's ready for next year NOW when he can hnunt too. Regards, Dennis Knapp aka Sticher Southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Made meat elk hunting Date: 25 Sep 2002 17:33:25 -0600 Congratulations Alan and good job Dennis for being the kind of man that will make a way for a boy to experience a thing like that. Don't get that in front of a TV, even if it is a L&C special. Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:04 AM > Returned to work today after another long weekend of elk hunting in Idaho. My son, Alan, age 14, killed his first elk with his Traditions .50 cal flintlock. He made a great shot that took out the liver and heart. It was about a 30-35 yard shot. We had the pack goats with us and were able to make it out in one trip. This will be a mighty fine eatin' elk as it was a cow calf. Had the hangin' tenders last night for dinner. Life just don't get any better than that!!! My younger son was with us on the trip so got to expereince the thrill of it all too. He's ready for next year NOW when he can hnunt too. > Regards, > Dennis Knapp aka Sticher > Southern Idaho > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> Subject: MtMan-List: Hawk{fl} Date: 25 Sep 2002 23:06:05 +0000 --=====_103299516524370=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Hawk You faring well in Florida? long time no hear from. My Dimick is finished --=====_103299516524370=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2>Hey Hawk</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You faring well in Florida?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>long time no hear from.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>My Dimick is finished</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> --=====_103299516524370=_-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hawk{fl} Date: 27 Sep 2002 00:05:05 -0400 WINDWALKER who made the demick for you---busy trying to deliver some guns befor hunting season---too much work and not enough time---3 customs and a bunch of underhammers-- hawk ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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One is in Defiance...other is in Ladue if that rings a bell *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/27/02 at 12:05 AM hawknest4@juno.com wrote: >WINDWALKER >who made the demick for you---busy trying to deliver some guns befor >hunting season---too much work and not enough time---3 customs and a >bunch of underhammers-- >hawk > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Rotten meat as medicine? Date: 25 Sep 2002 21:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Did anyone see RipleyÆs "Believe it or Not" tonight on TV? It had a clip on it about a guy who eats rotten meat and other rotten food for health reasons. It supposedly cured his cancer. He said it had something to do with the bacteria in the rotten food killing bacteria in the body. Now normally I would think this guy is nuts but then he said he learned it from the Eskimos in Alaska. I then got to thinking about the Indians always looking forward to finding AND EATING the first bloated dead bison floating down the rivers in the spring after the ice goes off. Might there be something to this? If food poisoning doesnÆt kill you can rotten meat be good for you? Did Indians ever get cancer in the old days? And No, IÆm not going to try it. Just wondering. Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning Date: 25 Sep 2002 22:42:25 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Hi guys, I've been busy lately doing some tanning. I recently finished a couple of elk hides and a local buck. I have another buck skin soaking in a lime solution, waiting to be scraped. The elks were a bi*ch.... After a lot of work I still had some stiff areas, and decided these would be good for bow case, rifle case, etc.... I still had enough beautiful, soft leather for a pair of britches, which I am stitching up now. (after two complete brain tanning cycles). After talking to Oliver McCloskey, I learned that the bigger hides have to be brained again and again, etc... to get completely soft. I have been refering to <A href="http://www.braintan.com">www.braintan.com</A> periodically also. There is a good article there on the bigger hides, and it says the same thing. That's the reason for this post. If you aren't familiar with <A href="http://www.braintan.com">www.braintan.com</A>, you should be....lots of good info there. I bought several hides from Oliver McCloskey to make a coat. I'm still trying to decide on a pattern for that. If you are considering buying brain tanned hides, you ought to check out Oliver. He does great work, and has very fair prices. He advertises in Muzzle Loader Magazine, or if you need info. on him, just ask me. I'm wearing myself out doing these hides, but am learning a lot. I've done several hides before, but each new experience teaches me something new. I recently became aquainted with a rancher that harvests many deer a year. He is giving me the hides, because I'm going to teach him, and his son, the fundamentals of brain tanning. I ordered a new scraper from braintan.com, because I'll need two to help out these fellows this weekend. I ordered it Sunday night (online) and it was on my porch this afternoon (Wed.). Great service. If anyone has any great labor saving techniques on brain tanning, I'd love to hear them. Yfab, hardtack </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Fall turkeys and a surprise in the morning! Date: 26 Sep 2002 15:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Dear List, It was good to hear the boys from Idaho got some meat with the muzzleloaders. A cow elk with a smoothbore is a heck of a kill. Then DennisÆ son getting his first elk and with a flintlock was just great! I went on one of my annual fall turkey hunts last weekend. I went alone as usual. Got only two Ruffed Grouse but got them with one shot of my fusee! Yee ha! I waited till they got lined up. Did see four gobblers but they called back only once to me and kept on their secretive way. Its incredibly hard to kill a gobbler in the fall in the Rocky Mountains as these turkeys have no real patterns and actually start their fall migrations to lower elevations right about now. I then ran into about eight hens with over fifty poults unfortunately they saw me first. The ground was crawling with turkeys! I charged the big flock to try the old "bust up the flock" routine. It got them into three or four groups and they scattered into the ponderosa's where the calling began. I was doing the lost call and one old hen came right to me looking into the business end of my .20 ga trade gun. She was very excited and fearless in her search for lost poults. I had a lot of respect for that old girl. I couldnÆt bring myself to shoot. I'm turning into a big softy in my old age. The turkeys no sooner disappeared then I wished I had taken one. So much for being a softy! I ran into the dark ponderosa's after them. Now, you would think it was impossible to run down wild turkeys UP a mountainside at 6000' feet elevation and you would be correct! I tried it anyway and actually caught them in my sight again. I could hardly hold my fusee still as my heart was pounding so hard from my run. They were moving slow due to the small size of the poults. They must have had a very late hatch, as they were only as big as chickens! They stayed ahead of me and some broke away from the flock. I had a chance at a shot and declined it again and then began to wonder why I was up here if I wasnÆt going to shoot. I got to practice my calling again. Talking to turkeys is half the fun of hunting them I think. Soon they disappeared again and I wandered around looking for bear sign. A half hour later I went back to the last place I called the turkeys and listened for them flying up on the roost. I did hear them a short time later as the big hens flew up in the pines for the night. It is a neat sound hearing turkeys flying up to roost but even better hearing them fly down off the roost in the morning. I left them as the poults were so small and they needed the hens for guidance. Yep, I'm a starving softy. A week later I went to the same spot and not a turkey nor sign was in sight. They probably went down lower, who knows. One thing about Merriam turkeys, there isnÆt a ton of them in Montana and they have a lot of country to hide out in. I searched about for grouse, turkeys or bears in the berry thickets doing the lost call as I hunted but saw nothing. It was a very calm evening in the Rockies not a bit of wind, a rare occasion. The coyotes howled in the distance but none close enough to call in. Heard no elk bugling but saw two bow hunters on a far mountainside. The aspens are just starting to turn here; soon they will be in full autumn splendor. Not nearly as beautiful as fall in the hardwood forest of the East and Midwest but beautiful nonetheless. I went to bed as the harvest moon began to rise over the mountains. I was awakened sometime in the night to the sound of raindrops. When I awoke again it was snowing very big flakes! This caught me off guard! IÆm not ready for winter! There was 2ö inches of snow when I got up to hunt and it was still coming down in big flakes. First snow of the year! I went hunting and saw only a nice 4x4 whitetail. It was a wonderful time walking in the winter wonderland. I came down out of the mountains around 11:00 AM empty handed but enjoyed the fall hunt and will go again soon. It was just raining down on the flats but two other ranges in the west where snow covered while two ranges to the east were not. It has all since melted. Good luck to all of you as you hit the trails. Sincerely, Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kadyscout@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: from Ken Davis Brain Tanning Date: 26 Sep 2002 23:02:29 EDT --part1_23.24e1a17c.2ac52445_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Randal, I have a few minutes, so I'll be quick....if you don't already know, storing hides can be a pain in the butt....I've solved this.....get to your local feed store, or Ag store, and buy the 50 lbs. bags of loose grainular salt...we call it Feed Salt...the loose kind....and scrape your hides REAL CLEAN...getting ALL the fat and meet off...be sure to wash, or rinse the hide off real good, on both sides, getting all the blood and garbage OFF, trim it up, make it clean, REAL CLEAN...lay it fur side down, spread it flat, and pour on the salt...I'm liberal with the salt, about a half inch thick, spread it ALL OVER with my hand, all the way to the edges.....then I fold one side to the middle, carefully, then the other side to the outter opposite edge, and then carefully roll it up like a sleeping bag, being careful not to spill out a lot of the salt on the ends.....then, place this hide in a GUNNY SACK....put the gunny sack inside those big blue 30gal plastic trash cans, with the lid...tie the gunny sack shut...I twist it tight, then tie it off with a leather thong, buckskin of course......before hand, drill a few holes in the bottom of the barrel, and set the barrel on a plastic milk crate, letting the salt water drain out of the gunny sack and barrel.....it will weep for a few days, and then stop..... And here's the BIG DEAL , when you take them out, TWO YEARS later, the hair just falls right off...the mucus has broken down, and I can just spray the hair off with water, and wipe it off with my hands....MUCH EASIER..also, the salt washes right off and the hide is still soft and pliable.....LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OFF THE DEER...........THEN, I can soak the hide in COSTIC SODA.....or commonly called....Sodium Hydroxide.....which does an excellent job....be careful, it will burn you in the grainular form......THE BENEFIT...once the hair is out BEFORE you go to soak the hide, the solution has an easier time GETTING INTO THE HAIR FOLECUL HOLE.......got it? The little round peg is out of the whole, allowing more solution in, and easier...doing a better job of getting the mucus out...which is already broken down, over time........THEY COME OUT GREEEEEAAAAATTTTT! Scrap super clean....SALT HEAVY....roll neatly....place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel with holes in bottom, on top of a milk crate to weep, and not over concrete, the salt water will destroy the concrete over time, place over dirt, stores for A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME THIS WAY, and comes out just fine....in the super hot summer, mid summer, I'll even spray down the gunny sack with water, to add moisture..leaving the sack in the barrel, no need to take it out, no josseling the sack around knocking out salt.....the gunny sack soaks up the water...the hides, on the outter parts of the sack get a little water, but nothing major...middle of the sack, won't get super wet, just moist....the moisture, helps to keep moisture inside the hides......the deer hair, becomes a natural blanket for the leather.....VERY COOL SYSTEM.....BUT IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIGURE THIS OUT..... Of course, you have to be willing to "build up" some hides, so that you can let them set for the two years, minimum......It's taken me an additional two years to learn that the hair just falls right out...the mucus has broken down so well, that it loses it's grip on the hair foleculs, and you can wipe it, or pull it, or spray it right out...and what doesn't come out, which is very, very little, will just get soaked off. Storage problem solved! I hated having to scrap off the hair after the soak, this puts me on the beam twice.....I go to the beam only once, to get all the fat and meat off..having to scrap that garbage off is the most physical part of the process, except pulling soft, which we enjoy doing, right?. I only want to be on the beam once per hide. Recap: I scrap all fat and meat off...wash or spray the hide CLEAN...salt heavy...fold in sides, roll neatly, place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel, set barrel on milk crate, making sure the gunny sack is tied shut. Benefit; NO SMELL, NO BUGS, NO MESS, NEAT, STORES FOR YEARS, WON'T DRY OUT, SALT WASHES/DISOLVES OFF, HAIR FALLS OUT AFTER TWO YEARS, NO SECOND TRIP TO THE BEAM, WON'T HURT THE HIDE TO BE ON SALT FOR A LONG TIME, NO MEAT OR FAT = NO ROTTING HIDE, and won't draw the bugs, it's the fat and meat that rot, not the leather. That's enough.....my storage troubles are over....thought you might want to know the same....I don't have enough freezer space to store green hides...and we have TWO freezers...that space is for MEAT!!!! Any questions, give me a shout...I have other tips, but I'm tired...see ya, Ken ps. when I pull out a hide to start the process, I carefully unroll the hide over my big salt barrel, in order to save any excess salt.....it's cheap, I know, but I'm too tight to just throw good salt on the ground...Ha! Let me know what you think...it works great for me...I'm VERY, VERY happy now.....we've lost TOO MANY hides, only because we didn't know how to store them right. --part1_23.24e1a17c.2ac52445_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2> <BR> Hey Randal, I have a few minutes, so I'll be quick....if you don't already know, storing hides can be a pain in the butt....I've solved this.....get to your local feed store, or Ag store, and buy the 50 lbs. bags of loose grainular salt...we call it Feed Salt...the loose kind....and scrape your hides REAL CLEAN...getting ALL the fat and meet off...be sure to wash, or rinse the hide off real good, on both sides, getting all the blood and garbage OFF, trim it up, make it clean, REAL CLEAN...lay it fur side down, spread it flat, and pour on the salt...I'm liberal with the salt, about a half inch thick, spread it ALL OVER with my hand, all the way to the edges.....then I fold one side to the middle, carefully, then the other side to the outter opposite edge, and then carefully roll it up like a sleeping bag, being careful not to spill out a lot of the salt on the ends.....then, place this hide in a GUNNY SACK....put the gunny sack inside those big blue 30gal plastic trash cans, with the lid...tie the gunny sack shut...I twist it tight, then tie it off with a leather thong, buckskin of course......before hand, drill a few holes in the bottom of the barrel, and set the barrel on a plastic milk crate, letting the salt water drain out of the gunny sack and barrel.....it will weep for a few days, and then stop..... <BR> And here's the BIG DEAL , when you take them out, TWO YEARS later, the hair just falls right off...the mucus has broken down, and I can just spray the hair off with water, and wipe it off with my hands....MUCH EASIER..also, the salt washes right off and the hide is still soft and pliable.....LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OFF THE DEER...........THEN, I can soak the hide in COSTIC SODA.....or commonly called....Sodium Hydroxide.....which does an excellent job....be careful, it will burn you in the grainular form......THE BENEFIT...once the hair is out BEFORE you go to soak the hide, the solution has an easier time GETTING INTO THE HAIR FOLECUL HOLE.......got it? The little round peg is out of the whole, allowing more solution in, and easier...doing a better job of getting the mucus out...which is already broken down, over time........THEY COME OUT GREEEEEAAAAATTTTT! <BR> Scrap super clean....SALT HEAVY....roll neatly....place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel with holes in bottom, on top of a milk crate to weep, and not over concrete, the salt water will destroy the concrete over time, place over dirt, stores for A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME THIS WAY, and comes out just fine....in the super hot summer, mid summer, I'll even spray down the gunny sack with water, to add moisture..leaving the sack in the barrel, no need to take it out, no josseling the sack around knocking out salt.....the gunny sack soaks up the water...the hides, on the outter parts of the sack get a little water, but nothing major...middle of the sack, won't get super wet, just moist....the moisture, helps to keep moisture inside the hides......the deer hair, becomes a natural blanket for the leather.....VERY COOL SYSTEM.....BUT IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIGURE THIS OUT..... <BR> Of course, you have to be willing to "build up" some hides, so that you can let them set for the two years, minimum......It's taken me an additional two years to learn that the hair just falls right out...the mucus has broken down so well, that it loses it's grip on the hair foleculs, and you can wipe it, or pull it, or spray it right out...and what doesn't come out, which is very, very little, will just get soaked off. <BR> Storage problem solved! I hated having to scrap off the hair after the soak, this puts me on the beam twice.....I go to the beam only once, to get all the fat and meat off..having to scrap that garbage off is the most physical part of the process, except pulling soft, which we enjoy doing, right?. I only want to be on the beam once per hide. <BR> Recap: I scrap all fat and meat off...wash or spray the hide CLEAN...salt heavy...fold in sides, roll neatly, place in gunny sack, place sack in big plastic barrel, set barrel on milk crate, making sure the gunny sack is tied shut. <BR> Benefit; NO SMELL, NO BUGS, NO MESS, NEAT, STORES FOR YEARS, WON'T DRY OUT, SALT WASHES/DISOLVES OFF, HAIR FALLS OUT AFTER TWO YEARS, NO SECOND TRIP TO THE BEAM, WON'T HURT THE HIDE TO BE ON SALT FOR A LONG TIME, NO MEAT OR FAT = NO ROTTING HIDE, and won't draw the bugs, it's the fat and meat that rot, not the leather. <BR> That's enough.....my storage troubles are over....thought you might want to know the same....I don't have enough freezer space to store green hides...and we have TWO freezers...that space is for MEAT!!!! <BR> Any questions, give me a shout...I have other tips, but I'm tired...see ya, Ken <BR> ps. when I pull out a hide to start the process, I carefully unroll the hide over my big salt barrel, in order to save any excess salt.....it's cheap, I know, but I'm too tight to just throw good salt on the ground...Ha! Let me know what you think...it works great for me...I'm VERY, VERY happy now.....we've lost TOO MANY hides, only because we didn't know how to store them right.</FONT></HTML> --part1_23.24e1a17c.2ac52445_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 07:34:37 -0700 Hello the Camp; I'm just getting started in buckskinning and am interested in the Southwestern [Taos] look. In particular I was wondering where one might find a decent pair of boots that would be appropriate for this type of personna. Thanks, John Prince ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: old time cancer Date: 27 Sep 2002 09:50:52 -0500 Beaverboy asked, <Did Indians ever get cancer in the old days?> Who would know? I have seen documentaries about archeological finds all over the world that indicated cancer did afflict people for the entirety of history. Too often, though, people just died without a known explanation or it was blamed on spirits, hexes or whatever. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: old time cancer Date: 27 Sep 2002 11:01:49 EDT In a message dated 9/27/02 10:52:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rifleman1776@centurytel.net writes: << have seen documentaries about archeological finds all over the world that indicated cancer did afflict people for the entirety of history >> Frank, interesting comment. I watched a cable TV show not long ago called "Mummies" where these two guys just find mummies all over the world and study them. Usually they find the most likely cause of death...they find the same sorts of maladies we have today (including cancer) in the mummies they look at (one guy had a "stone" that blocked his urethra - talk about a death to piss you off!). -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 15:36:57 +0000 John, To start with the typical "Southwestern" look seen at many rendezvous(at least here in Texas) is complete fantasy. If you look at the Book of Buckskinning you'll see a fair portrayal of a "Southwestern" look. It seems that alot of rendezvous traders got into cowboy action shooting due to the amount of money being made in that area. As a result of this alot of the stuff being passed off as "Southwestern" is actually cowboy clothing and alot of times it's bad cowboy clothing at that. To get a good sense of what was worn look at Josiah Gregg's Commerce on the Prairies(correct title?), there's a wealth of information on the Southwest in this narrative. There are several descriptions of clothing both Mexican and Anglo that are very detailed and very helpful when looking into the "Southwestern" impression. You might also want to check out Washington Irving's Tour on the Prairies for a look at the rangy, frontier types. You'll see mentions of greasy leggings, metasases, hunting frocks(which are a different pattern than the Rev war style) and slouch hats. Gregg talks about frock coats with lots of pockets, flannel teamsters vests, and alot of other things I don't remember off the top of my head. Your clothing should reflect your occupation. As far as boots go, try Bob Schmidt of Historical Re-Enterprises he makes boots of all sorts as well as brogans(which for the most part are more appropriate for a "Southwestern" impression -for whites involved with the Santa Fe trade at least, but that's my opinion!) and I can speak from experience that if you follow his directions you'll get a boot or shoe that fits like a glove with no break-in period necessary. I guess all in all what you'd wear would depend on your occupation and what particular period you're wanting to portray ie. 30's or 40's. Hope this isn't confusing, if you have any specific questions feel free to contact me... I'm at work right now so I don't have access to all of my sources but would be glad to take a look when I get home. Dios, Libertad y Tejas, Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 12:26:09 EDT --part1_29.2dd7b883.2ac5e0a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, You might check out an outfit in Henrietta, Texas called 'Buffalo Runner'. They have done the research and produce what are, IMO, a well constructed, comfortable and durable boot, available in a couple of styles, in black and brown, and with walking or riding heels. I know there is also a bootmaker on the list, but can't remember who it is, so maybe someone can shout it out.... This may be controversial, but one thing I found helpful when 'breaking in' new boots of original (2 piece) design is to saturate a pair of thick socks in rubbing alcohol and slip into the boots, then wear them for a couple of hours. The ones I have done come out form fitted to your foot, and it seems to eliminate a lot of the slippage/blisters/etc people experience during normal break-in. Welcome to the fold. Hope we have the chance to share a camp one day. Barney --part1_29.2dd7b883.2ac5e0a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>John, You might check out an outfit in Henrietta, Texas called 'Buffalo Runner'. They have done the research and produce what are, IMO, a well constructed, comfortable and durable boot, available in a couple of styles, in black and brown, and with walking or riding heels. <BR> <BR> I know there is also a bootmaker on the list, but can't remember who it is, so maybe someone can shout it out....<BR> <BR> This may be controversial, but one thing I found helpful when 'breaking in' new boots of original (2 piece) design is to saturate a pair of thick socks in rubbing alcohol and slip into the boots, then wear them for a couple of hours. The ones I have done come out form fitted to your foot, and it seems to eliminate a lot of the slippage/blisters/etc people experience during normal break-in. <BR> <BR> Welcome to the fold. Hope we have the chance to share a camp one day. Barney </B></FONT></HTML> --part1_29.2dd7b883.2ac5e0a1_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince, John" <jbprince@paccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 09:47:01 -0700 > From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> > John, > To start with the typical "Southwestern" look seen at many rendezvous(at > least here in Texas) is complete fantasy. If you look at the Book of > Buckskinning you'll see a fair portrayal of a "Southwestern" look. Volume 3 is exactly what got me thinking about the "Southwestern" style. There is a gentleman pictured who is portraying some sort of tradesman who is wearing "square toed boots". There was also mentioned that "engineer" boots would make a good substitute. However, I am much more interested in historical accuracy than things that will "make do" or from 10 feet away will look like the real thing. > Your clothing should reflect your occupation. Aye, that's the problem. Narrowing down an occupation for the period of 1830 or so is problematic since I'm interested in most everything. I'm not new to the reenacting scene and I've portrayed everything from a 12th century knight to an 18th century privateer. Real life adventure includes crewing on a tall ship on the weekends. > As far as boots go, try Bob Schmidt of Historical Re-Enterprises he makes boots of > all sorts as well as brogans(which for the most part are more appropriate > for a "Southwestern" impression -for whites involved with the Santa Fe trade > at least, but that's my opinion!) and I can speak from experience that if > you follow his directions you'll get a boot or shoe that fits like a glove > with no break-in period necessary. Brogans were my second choice. I'll try an look him up! Thanks for your help! > Dios, Libertad y Tejas, > Scott McMahon [My brother and sisters are all Texans. Unfortunately, I had to be born a "prune-picker". But I can tell ya, my heart ain't in California! Vaya con Dios, me amigo!] ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: eating rotten meat Date: 27 Sep 2002 12:39:49 -0500 The response below is from my son, a board certified emergency room physician. In addition he spent more than three years in practice in Alaska at a native indian hospital. He is a avid outdoor camper/hiker with survival skills <Makes no logical sense to me as far as curing things like cancer and such. I suppose there could be some potential/theoretical possiblility that there might be something that the bacteria produce or that they themselves kill that could help some occasional bacterial infection. But I doubt it...sounds like some of the totally unproven homeopathic voodoo stuff out there. I'd say the chances it would hurt you are about 10,000 times greater than the chances it would help you. Remember, the Native Alaskans (inc. the Eskimos) get sick from eating spoiled food too...that's why they have the largest number of cases of botulism every year.> Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: eating rotten meat Date: 27 Sep 2002 13:55:49 +0000 But in some wounds maggots are used in summer to eat away the infection. rancid food stores will kill a person as well as rancid meat Ive never know a Inuit to do such a practice on rotten meat *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/27/02 at 12:39 PM Frank Fusco wrote: >The response below is from my son, a board certified emergency room >physician. In addition he spent more than three years in practice in= Alaska >at a native indian hospital. He is a avid outdoor camper/hiker with >survival >skills > > <Makes no logical sense to me as far as curing things like cancer and >such. I suppose there could be some potential/theoretical possiblility >that >there might be something that the bacteria produce or that they themselves >kill that could help some occasional bacterial infection. But I doubt >it...sounds like some of the totally unproven homeopathic voodoo stuff= out >there. I'd say the chances it would hurt you are about 10,000 times >greater >than the chances it would help you. > >Remember, the Native Alaskans (inc. the Eskimos) get sick from eating >spoiled food too...that's why they have the largest number of cases of >botulism every year.> > >Frank G. Fusco >Mountain Home, AR >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 21:15:58 +0000 Buffalo Runner makes decent boots but here again they are more of a "cowboy" style rather than what was available in the mid 19th century. You might also try Missouri Boot & Shoe... don't know about their boots but they make some really nice and very appropriate brogans and ankle boots. Scott _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charlie P Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 27 Sep 2002 17:06:19 -0600 Fugawee in florida, make some nice period footware. Old Coyote > Buffalo Runner makes decent boots but here again they are more of a > "cowboy" > style rather than what was available in the mid 19th century. You > might also > try Missouri Boot & Shoe... don't know about their boots but they > make some > really nice and very appropriate brogans and ankle boots. > Scott > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Boots now Occupations Date: 27 Sep 2002 19:06:36 EDT --part1_19a.97a67c7.2ac63e7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About Buffalo Runner boots, I don't know about their products today; glad someone spoke up cuz there's nothing worse than wasting money on the wrong stuff. Some years back I got a style they called IIRC the Buffalo Runner, a 2-piece, square toed stovepipe they claimed was PC, but we all know that story <G>! I might have to look up Bob Schmidt, or maybe he can answer the question for us.... As to occupations, there were lots of them in the area but many of them never traveled to a Rendezvous, and that affects how 'correct' you can be. Another part of getting your persona right is not only WHAT you did but WHEN you did it. There's lots of choices from early Trappers and Traders to Trail Merchants and Texas Rangers. Later there were US Army mucky-mucks, Government Agents and the high powered familys, just to name a few. All before 1840. Barney --part1_19a.97a67c7.2ac63e7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">About Buffalo Runner boots, I don't know about their products today; glad someone spoke up cuz there's nothing worse than wasting money on the wrong stuff. Some years back I got a style they called IIRC the Buffalo Runner, a 2-piece, square toed stovepipe they claimed was PC, but we all know that story <G>! I might have to look up Bob Schmidt, or maybe he can answer the question for us....<BR> <BR> As to occupations, there were lots of them in the area but many of them never traveled to a Rendezvous, and that affects <I>how</I> 'correct' you can be. Another part of getting your persona right is not only WHAT you did but WHEN you did it. <BR> <BR> There's lots of choices from early Trappers and Traders to Trail Merchants and Texas Rangers. Later there were US Army mucky-mucks, Government Agents and the high powered familys, just to name a few.<BR> <BR> All before 1840. <BR> <BR> Barney<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_19a.97a67c7.2ac63e7c_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Dam gov't...<s> Date: 27 Sep 2002 17:28:49 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>For those of you who have not seen this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This one is a genuine hoot. It was an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. <BR>Wait till you read this guy's response.......but read the letter before you get to the response........</FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BR>Mr. Ryan DeVries <BR>2088 Dagget <BR>Pierson, MI 49339 <BR>SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County <BR>Dear Mr. DeVries: <BR>It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: <BR>Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. <BR>The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002. <BR>Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. <BR>We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. <BR>Sincerely, David L. Price <BR><BR>District Representative Land and Water Management Division <BR>******************* This is the actual response sent back........ <BR>Dear Mr. Price, <BR>Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. <BR>Your certified letter dated 12/17/01 has been handed to me to respond to. <BR>First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal Landowner and/or Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. <BR>While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." <BR>I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. <BR>As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. <BR>My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? <BR>If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. <BR>I have several concerns. My first concern is - aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. <BR>In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers - but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. <BR>In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams.). <BR>So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2002? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. <BR>In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) <BR>Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. <BR>Sincerely, <BR>Stephen L.Tvedten <BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" <stitchin@sirisonline.com> Subject: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 27 Sep 2002 21:34:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2666D.BA2A54C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to be = fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a = clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time = back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the = Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert = if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2666D.BA2A54C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks tell = me the best=20 way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a recently severed = animal=20 head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was = discussed some=20 time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the = Midwest....often=20 surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert if that makes = a=20 difference. Thanks for any ideas. John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' Scotsman<BR>100% = Handsewn=20 Elkhide garments<BR>and moccasins<BR>Manu Forti<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.stitchinscotsman.com">www.stitchinscotsman.com</A></FO= NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2666D.BA2A54C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" <troberts2@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 27 Sep 2002 22:41:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C26677.0D057CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I also remember the discussion but did not capture it. I believe the = simplest, most natural (but not necessarily fastest) method would be to bury the skull = and let the insects and/or bacteria in the ground do the work. Could be covered = with large rocks to thwart diggers. Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John McKee=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to be = fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a = clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time = back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the = Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert = if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C26677.0D057CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also remember the discussion but did = not capture=20 it. I believe the simplest, most</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>natural (but not necessarily fastest) = method would=20 be to bury the skull and let the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>insects and/or bacteria in the ground = do the=20 work. Could be covered with large rocks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to thwart diggers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dstitchin@sirisonline.com = href=3D"mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com">John=20 McKee</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002 10:34=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks tell = me the=20 best way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a recently = severed=20 animal head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it = was=20 discussed some time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I = live in the=20 Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the = desert if=20 that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. = John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' Scotsman<BR>100% = Handsewn=20 Elkhide garments<BR>and moccasins<BR>Manu Forti<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.stitchinscotsman.com">www.stitchinscotsman.com</A></FO= NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT=20 face=3D"Bookman Old = Style"></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C26677.0D057CC0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" <stitchin@sirisonline.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 27 Sep 2002 21:50:34 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2666F.E847AE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man Winter is just around the corner, won't = burying the head in ground that will freeze delay the process until = Spring? Just wondering. John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Roberts=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls John, I also remember the discussion but did not capture it. I believe the = simplest, most natural (but not necessarily fastest) method would be to bury the = skull and let the insects and/or bacteria in the ground do the work. Could be covered = with large rocks to thwart diggers. Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John McKee=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to = be fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a = clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time = back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the = Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert = if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2666F.E847AE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man = Winter is=20 just around the corner, won't burying the head in ground that will = freeze delay=20 the process until Spring? Just wondering. John</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtroberts2@cfl.rr.com = href=3D"mailto:troberts2@cfl.rr.com">Tom=20 Roberts</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002 9:41=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: = bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also remember the discussion but = did not=20 capture it. I believe the simplest, most</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>natural (but not necessarily fastest) = method=20 would be to bury the skull and let the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>insects and/or bacteria in the ground = do the=20 work. Could be covered with large rocks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to thwart diggers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dstitchin@sirisonline.com=20 href=3D"mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com">John McKee</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002 10:34=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: = bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks = tell me the=20 best way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a recently = severed=20 animal head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it = was=20 discussed some time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I = live in=20 the Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not = the=20 desert if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. = John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' Scotsman<BR>100% = Handsewn=20 Elkhide garments<BR>and moccasins<BR>Manu Forti<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.stitchinscotsman.com">www.stitchinscotsman.com</A></FO= NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT=20 face=3D"Bookman Old = Style"></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2666F.E847AE50-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmitzit <bmitzit@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 27 Sep 2002 22:06:47 -0500 --============_-1178940086==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dermestid Beetles: best bone cleaners on the planet http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/archive/wild_lives/dermestid.html where to get 'em: http://www.skulltaxidermy.com/kits.html --artful dodger >Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man Winter is just around the corner, >won't burying the head in ground that will freeze delay the process >until Spring? Just wondering. John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:troberts2@cfl.rr.com>Tom Roberts >To: <mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:41 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls > >John, > >I also remember the discussion but did not capture it. I believe >the simplest, most >natural (but not necessarily fastest) method would be to bury the >skull and let the >insects and/or bacteria in the ground do the work. Could be covered >with large rocks >to thwart diggers. > >Tom > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com>John McKee >To: <mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls > >Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to >be fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to >a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some >time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the >Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the >desert if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > > >The Stitchin' Scotsman >100% Handsewn Elkhide garments >and moccasins >Manu Forti ><http://www.stitchinscotsman.com>www.stitchinscotsman.com > --============_-1178940086==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls</title></head><body> <div><br></div> <div><font size="+1" color="#000000"><b>Dermestid Beetles</b></font>: best bone cleaners on the planet</div> <div >http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/archive/wild_lives/dermestid.h<span ></span>tml</div> <div><br></div> <div>where to get 'em:</div> <div>http://www.skulltaxidermy.com/kits.html</div> <div><br></div> <div>--artful dodger</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Bookman Old Style">Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man Winter is just around the corner, won't burying the head in ground that will freeze delay the process until Spring? Just wondering. John</font><br> <blockquote>----- Original Message -----</blockquote> <blockquote><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:troberts2@cfl.rr.com">Tom Roberts</a></blockquote> <blockquote><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com" >hist_text@lists.xmission.com</a></blockquote> <blockquote><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 27, 2002 9:41 PM</blockquote> <blockquote><b>Subject:</b> Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls</blockquote> <blockquote><br></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">John,</font></blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">I also remember the discussion but did not capture it. I believe the simplest, most</font></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">natural (but not necessarily fastest) method would be to bury the skull and let the</font></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">insects and/or bacteria in the ground do the work. Could be covered with large rocks</font></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">to thwart diggers.</font></blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">Tom</font><br> <blockquote>----- Original Message -----</blockquote> <blockquote><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com">John McKee</a></blockquote> <blockquote><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com" >hist_text@lists.xmission.com</a></blockquote> <blockquote><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM</blockquote> <blockquote><b>Subject:</b> MtMan-List: bleaching skulls</blockquote> <blockquote><br></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John</font></blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' Scotsman<br> 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments</font></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Bookman Old Style">and moccasins</font></blockquote> <blockquote><font face="Bookman Old Style">Manu Forti</font></blockquote> <blockquote><a href="http://www.stitchinscotsman.com"><font face="Bookman Old Style">www.stitchinscotsman.com</font></a></blockquote > <blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <div><br></div> </body> </html> --============_-1178940086==_ma============-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 27 Sep 2002 23:26:25 +0000 --=====_103316918517035=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what I do on gator heads is place in a area where dogs ect wont get it let it sit for about two weeks then by then all is gone except skull then I take mix 2 gal water and 1 gallon bleach place skull in it let sit till skull clean rinse well on larger heads you need more water and bleach *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/27/02 at 9:34 PM John McKee wrote: Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to be fast,= just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a clean, white= skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time back but I can't= find it in any of my files. I live in the Midwest....often surrounded by= coyotes it seems.... and not the desert if that makes a difference. Thanks= for any ideas. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com --=====_103316918517035=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>what I do on gator heads is place in a area where dogs ect wont get it</DIV> <DIV>let it sit for about two weeks then by then all is gone except skull</DIV> <DIV>then I take mix 2 gal water and 1 gallon bleach</DIV> <DIV>place skull in it let sit till skull clean rinse well</DIV> <DIV>on larger heads you need more water and bleach</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR><BR>On 9/27/02 at 9:34 PM John McKee wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' Scotsman<BR>100% Handsewn Elkhide garments<BR>and moccasins<BR>Manu Forti<BR><A href="http://www.stitchinscotsman.com">www.stitchinscotsman.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV><FONT size=2 Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML> --=====_103316918517035=_-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 28 Sep 2002 00:27:08 EDT --part1_177.f6bc936.2ac6899c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Kaibab Moccasin Co. in Tucson. They make excellent Navajo-style and Ute-style mocassins, ideal for the "Southwestern" look. People of all professions often chose to wear mocassins once they were out on the plains, including soldiers, tourists, etc. (See Garrard, "Wah-to-yah and the Taos Trail" et. Al.) John R. Sweet --part1_177.f6bc936.2ac6899c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Try Kaibab Moccasin Co. in Tucson. They make excellent Navajo-style and Ute-style mocassins, ideal for the "Southwestern" look. People of all professions often chose to wear mocassins once they were out on the plains, including soldiers, tourists, etc. (See Garrard, "Wah-to-yah and the Taos Trail" et. Al.)<BR> <BR> John R. Sweet</FONT></HTML> --part1_177.f6bc936.2ac6899c_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" <troberts2@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 28 Sep 2002 07:53:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C266C4.1F6C2740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Well, you said you weren't in a hurry <G>. If you try some of those beetles I'd like to know how it turns out. Better keep your smoothebore charged cause once that skull is finished they're gonna be looking for some more bones to pick and they're probably neither subtle nor choosy. Sleep lightly........ Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John McKee=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man Winter is just around the corner, won't = burying the head in ground that will freeze delay the process until = Spring? Just wondering. John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Roberts=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls John, I also remember the discussion but did not capture it. I believe = the simplest, most natural (but not necessarily fastest) method would be to bury the = skull and let the insects and/or bacteria in the ground do the work. Could be covered = with large rocks to thwart diggers. Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John McKee=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { doesn't have to = be fast, just good } to take a recently severed animal head down to a = clean, white skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some time = back but I can't find it in any of my files. I live in the = Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it seems.... and not the desert = if that makes a difference. Thanks for any ideas. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C266C4.1F6C2740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, you said you weren't in a hurry=20 <G>. If you try some of those</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>beetles I'd like to know how it turns = out. =20 Better keep your smoothebore</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>charged cause once that skull is = finished they're=20 gonna be looking</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for some more bones to pick and they're = probably=20 neither subtle nor</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>choosy. Sleep=20 lightly........</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dstitchin@sirisonline.com = href=3D"mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com">John=20 McKee</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002 10:50=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: = bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Thanks, Tom, but since Old Man = Winter is=20 just around the corner, won't burying the head in ground that will = freeze=20 delay the process until Spring? Just wondering. = John</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtroberts2@cfl.rr.com = href=3D"mailto:troberts2@cfl.rr.com">Tom=20 Roberts</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002 9:41=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: = bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also remember the discussion but = did not=20 capture it. I believe the simplest, most</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>natural (but not necessarily = fastest) method=20 would be to bury the skull and let the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>insects and/or bacteria in the = ground do the=20 work. Could be covered with large rocks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to thwart diggers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dstitchin@sirisonline.com=20 href=3D"mailto:stitchin@sirisonline.com">John McKee</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 27, = 2002=20 10:34 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: = bleaching=20 skulls</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">Would one of you kind folks = tell me=20 the best way { doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a = recently=20 severed animal head down to a clean, white skull? I seem to = remember that=20 it was discussed some time back but I can't find it in any of my = files. I=20 live in the Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes it = seems.... and=20 not the desert if that makes a difference. Thanks for any=20 ideas. John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style">The Stitchin' = Scotsman<BR>100%=20 Handsewn Elkhide garments<BR>and moccasins<BR>Manu Forti<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.stitchinscotsman.com">www.stitchinscotsman.com</A></FO= NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT=20 face=3D"Bookman Old = Style"></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C266C4.1F6C2740-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bleaching skulls Date: 28 Sep 2002 07:52:00 -0700 (PDT) John, I have been told you can put one in a "cage" or some protection cover and place on or near a red ant den. Keep it slightly moist so they can work on it. Haven't tried it my self. grn --- John McKee <stitchin@sirisonline.com> wrote: > Would one of you kind folks tell me the best way { > doesn't have to be fast, just good } to take a > recently severed animal head down to a clean, white > skull? I seem to remember that it was discussed some > time back but I can't find it in any of my files. I > live in the Midwest....often surrounded by coyotes > it seems.... and not the desert if that makes a > difference. Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > > > The Stitchin' Scotsman > 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments > and moccasins > Manu Forti > www.stitchinscotsman.com > > ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Bleaching skulls Date: 28 Sep 2002 08:53:36 -0600 (MDT) John, Dermestid or carrion beetles are the best way but who can own them? They require a controlled environment, are fairly expensive for one or two skulls and must be fed year round. They are a whole different ball game. The next best way is to boil it clean or I should say SIMMER it clean. I've cleaned lots and lots of skulls this way. The key is to boil it as soon as possible so its not spoiled or rotten (there I go again with the rotten meat!) A fresh skull simmering on the stove smells pretty good, just like any meat cooking. Remove all the hide (and eye balls on deer and elk) with a sharp knife. Simmer for an hour or several hours, depending on the size skull, never letting it go dry of course. The pot must be big enough to completely submerge the skull. When it has cooked for a while you can remove the mandible from the skull, and the tongue from the mandible. Place jaw and skull back in the pot. This saves time in the simmering process. Simmer for several hours or until the meat falls off. If cooked too long or too hard a boil the bones will separate which is no good. IÆm thinking of using an old crock pot for smaller skulls. If the jawbones separate or nose plates fall out they can be glued back in or together when done. If boiled too long the skull plates will fall apart, not good. The brains can be removed with a wire bent on the end and inserted through the spinal cord opening. Some insert the wire in an electric drill and pulverize the brains then rinse out. Be careful to look at all the scraps in the bottom of the pot to get any teeth that fall out. You may have to knife areas to get hard attached cartilage. Also pour off any grease that comes to the surface to avoid grease staining the bones. I also finish off by pouring a big pot of boiling water over the cleaned skull. It helps turn it white and dries it. You may find your skull is white enough just boiled clean. If not I've used Veroxcide (hair dresser's paste) and just plain bleach to bleach skulls. The key is not to over bleach and eat up the bone. It will also bleach the dark antlers so be careful. The paste can be brushed on. You MUST also neutralize the bleach with soapy water or something else I can't remember right now. I've killed deer and had their skulls cleaned (not bleached)the very next day. It's easy once you've done a few. Your wife may not be real tickled with the idea of boiling heads on the stove but I'm telling you, fresh ones smell OK. Or do it on a camp stove outside but keep an eye on it. Also, all the scraps that collect in the pot (minus the teeth) make great dog food! Glue the loose teeth back in when done. I've even drilled small holes near the mandible sockets and inserted small copper wire in a twisted loop to keep the jaw attached though able to open. Be sure to get all the brains out or they will smell. Keep the fresh skulls frozen till ready to cook and practice on a coyote , fox or coon skull first not your trophy. My dentist is the proud owner of one of my blanket beaver skulls. He really loved the gift! He keeps it right below his human skull in his examination room. Dentist really like beaver skulls, BIG TEETH! Good Luck Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bleaching skulls Date: 28 Sep 2002 11:33:14 EDT --part1_12a.1826794d.2ac725ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Beaverboy Has given the method I use the only thing I would add is I try and get as much off as ya can with the knife before boiling. I take the tongue and brains out before boiling it helps to cut down on the time it has to be boiled. ya can take brush to it to help clean off the meat and stuff when ya take it out of the water. After ya get it clean I have used hydrogen peroxide to bleach the bone just a little in a fresh pot of water will do it. Do be careful because to much will eat the bones. see ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_12a.1826794d.2ac725ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>John <BR>Beaverboy Has given the method I use the only thing I would add is I try and get as much off as ya can with the knife before boiling. I take the tongue and brains out before boiling it helps to cut down on the time it has to be boiled. ya can take brush to it to help clean off the meat and stuff when ya take it out of the water. After ya get it clean I have used hydrogen peroxide to bleach the bone just a little in a fresh pot of water will do it. Do be careful because to much will eat the bones. <BR>see ya on the trail <BR>Crazy Cyot </FONT></HTML> --part1_12a.1826794d.2ac725ba_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: cleaning skulls Date: 28 Sep 2002 13:50:49 -0700 <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>A friend of mine has a skull collection. He uses meal worms and saw dust. Bury skull in bucket of sawdust, ans meal worms, they'll pick the skull clean. Meal worms can be found at pet stores. When I did a beaver skull, I just buried it in the garden. Nature did the rest. hardtack</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,</DIV> <DIV>we are Borrowing it from our Children</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Boots now Occupations Date: 29 Sep 2002 09:28:20 EDT --part1_aa.1287e120.2ac859f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/02 4:07:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LivingInThePast@aol.com writes: > As to occupations, there were lots of them in the area but many of them > never traveled to a Rendezvous, and that affects how 'correct' you can be. > Another part of getting your persona right is not only WHAT you did but > WHEN you did it. > One occupation I've never ran across anyone doing that might be a whole bunch of fun to do is that of one of the distillers of the famed Taos Lightning. Nauga Mok --part1_aa.1287e120.2ac859f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/27/02 4:07:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LivingInThePast@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As to occupations, there were lots of them in the area but many of them never traveled to a Rendezvous, and that affects <I>how</I> 'correct' you can be. Another part of getting your persona right is not only WHAT you did but WHEN you did it. <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> One occupation I've never ran across anyone doing that might be a whole bunch of fun to do is that of one of the distillers of the famed Taos Lightning. <BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FACE="Jot Medium - HMK" LANG="0">Nauga Mok</FONT></HTML> --part1_aa.1287e120.2ac859f4_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: MtMan-List: ain't Porky Pig Date: 29 Sep 2002 09:53:24 -0500 If anybody ever invites you to go "pig hunting" in Texas bear in mind that you might encounter a beast like this one taken recently in deep southeast Texas. Feral hogs are a major problem for farmers & ranchers here (and I presume elsewhere) and they quickly revert to a wild state and take on the appearance of true wild hogs, growing long hair and becoming leaner and meaner. I don't know if this varmit was a cross breed from feral domestic stock and European "Russian" boars introduced in the 19th century for sport hunting or if he was a true European boar but he clearly aint Porky Pig. Lanney Ratcliff > http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5424198&BRD=2287&PAG= 461&dept_id=481653&rfi=6 > > > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > + As featured in the on-line version of The Beaumont Enterprise. > + Web Address: http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2287 > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Boots now Occupations Date: 29 Sep 2002 11:49:36 EDT --part1_198.e06bd6f.2ac87b10_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/2002 6:29:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, NaugaMok@aol.com writes: > One occupation I've never ran across anyone doing that might be a whole > bunch of fun to do is that of one of the distillers of the famed Taos > Lightning. > Funny you should mention that NM; one of the first Southwest things I did was as a Whisky Merchant traveling the Trail to Rendezvous. Only problem was gettin' into my own merchandise a bit too often, and having WAY too much fun < GGG>. Barney --part1_198.e06bd6f.2ac87b10_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 9/29/2002 6:29:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, NaugaMok@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One occupation I've never ran across anyone doing that might be a whole bunch of fun to do is that of one of the distillers of the famed Taos Lightning. <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B><BR> Funny you should mention that NM; one of the first Southwest things I did was as a Whisky Merchant traveling the Trail to Rendezvous. Only problem was gettin' into my own merchandise a bit too often, and having WAY too much fun <GGG>. Barney</B></FONT></HTML> --part1_198.e06bd6f.2ac87b10_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boots Date: 29 Sep 2002 12:17:30 -0600 Prince, John <jbprince@paccd.cc.ca.us> wrote > Aye, that's the problem. Narrowing down an occupation for the period > of 1830 or so is problematic since I'm interested in most everything. > I'm not new to the reenacting scene and I've portrayed everything > from a 12th century knight to an 18th century privateer. Real life > adventure includes crewing on a tall ship on the weekends. . . . > > > [My brother and sisters are all Texans. Unfortunately, I had to be > born a "prune-picker". But I can tell ya, my heart ain't in > California! Vaya con Dios, me amigo!] Living in Cache Valley puts me in the heart of the Mountains but California must not be all bad if you can sail tall ships. I have always wanted to try that, which for a land lubber who gets sea sick that would be an adventure. In addition, I will say that I question the influence that the Southwest had on the actual rendezvous. I believe we tend to overlook the French Canadians who were easily documented and lean toward the Spanish. They do have a distinctive look that is appealing. Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Avery <aravery@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: ain't Porky Pig Date: 29 Sep 2002 13:32:31 -0700 "... I don't know if this varmit was a cross breed from feral domestic stock and European "Russian" boars introduced in the 19th century for sport hunting or if he was a true European boar but he clearly aint Porky Pig..." Holy snappin' arseholes! That is one MUTHA of a hog! I went hunting javelinas in Texas years ago, (they are about the ugliest critters on the face of Gods's green earth!) but I sure never saw anything like that! Thanks for sharing the picture. Black Knife ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: First Beaver of the season and a bet. Date: 29 Sep 2002 14:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Dear List, Found another reference to trapping beaver out of prime fur time, Captain Clark wrote on JUNE 18, 1805, ôàthe wind was from the S W & cool killed a beaver & elk for their skins this evening.ö I set 6 beaver traps last night for beaver as I had a person with a damage permit for 5 flat tails. This certainly must have been within miles of the spot Clark mentions as they describe the Medicine River on the 14 of June. The Medicine River is only ten miles up river from this spot. I set 3 foot hold traps, 2 live beaver traps (Hancock type), and 1 660- Superbear. I could not set the den as it was off the permit holderÆs property. I baited only the two live traps with LURE & willow twigs. The 660 was a blind set and the three #4 sets were all baited only with willow twigs to avoid nontarget animals like otters, raccoons and those dastardly free running dogs! Said a quick prayer as I left that everything went well and to not have any nontarget catches. I got to the river around 7:30 AM this morning very excited about the first trap check of the new season. Found the live traps and 660 untouched but each #4 held a beaver! What a glorious morning to be a trapper in the west! I was quite pleased with my work as I pulled each beaver from the water. I stopped occasionally to glance out over the calm Missouri River and thought about all my fellow Trappers who passed up and down her waters plying their trade. Colter, Kipp, Potts, Clark, Lewis the list goes on and on. Sometimes I sit on the banks of the Missouri and think of the despair some of these men must have felt at times. To be sitting out here in the middle of nowhere in a land ôfit only for the savageö next to water that would pass within a mile of their homes yet it is a 2000 mile trip by dugout! How overwhelming a thought that must have been at times. It was best not to dwell on the thought IÆm sure. I gathered up my 3 beaver and walked to the den to see how many flat tails might be left. Only one beaver came out, a large adult and it was not too glad to see me. I got a feeling he sensed I had something to do with his family not coming home. I left only the two live traps set and sprung the others to avoid any problems. I will let the area settle down and go reset in 2 or 3 days when Mr. Beaver isnÆt so jumpy. The pelts on the 3 were a little flat but in better shape than rough spring beaver. The old fur-buying phrase goes, ôBetter to get them too early than too lateö and I believe that. Certainly the trappers of old would rather catch a bunch more early pelts than less of the primer winter pelts and have to deal with the ice and their journal dates prove it. Went to the Gun Show yesterday before setting my beaver traps to look around. Met a trader who had a brand new and very powerful Bridger #5 Double Long Spring trap for sale. Well, he made the mistake of saying, ôIf you can set that trap over your knee its yoursö. So it was set in a few seconds for him! He just said something like, ôI guess you got yourself a trap.ö I laid it back down and told him about our trap setting contest the Montana Trappers Association Rendezvous has every fall. I did not take the trap. I donÆt think heÆll be making that offer to anyone else soon! Coming home this morning the Front Range of the Rockies were white with snow and really shinning in the morning sun. God its great to be a Free Trapper in the Rocky Mountains! A bientot, Castor Garcon ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Boots now Occupations Date: 30 Sep 2002 02:10:52 +0000 As to occupations, there were lots of them in the area but many of them never traveled to a Rendezvous, and that affects how 'correct' you can be. Another part of getting your persona right is not only WHAT you did but WHEN you did it. There's lots of choices from early Trappers and Traders to Trail Merchants and Texas Rangers. Later there were US Army mucky-mucks, Government Agents and the high powered familys, just to name a few. All before 1840. Barney *********************************************************************** Barney, You hit the nail square on! I've been trying to explain that to people here for a couple of years. Just imagine Rocky Mountain furtrappers at a rendezvous here in Texas! There was plenty of furtrade going on here in Texas and Oklahoma, mainly deer hides but there was trade with hide hunters and Indians. But it's not as glamorous as the RMFT so it's pretty much ignored. As far as Southwestern impressions go one could portray a host of characters... hide hunters, traders(Santa Fe) teamsters, rangers(Texas and Arkansas Mntd. Rangers), interpreters, scalphunters, whiskey runners and the list goes on. I'd really like to see a national level event somewhere in the Southwest the centers on the 1840's. Maybe some sort of "hard-core", "ultra-authentic" type of thing where we have traders selling period dry goods, whiskey, "imported" American tack, and anything else you could come up with that fits into the period. You could have traders bring their goods in on ox-carts or by mule drawn wagons... those of us who go mounted could ride in... and just think of the possibilities that open up for firearms when you break into the forties... it would be really awesome- at least I think it would! Anyone else interested in something like this? Well enough of my rambling... enjoy talking about this period. Boots... Bob Schmidt of Historical Re-Enterprises can be reached at 406 961-4243. Robert Serio at Missouri Boot & Shoe can be reached at 417 451-6100. I've dealt with both guys and will endorse(for what it's worth) Bob's boots, shoes and saddles and Robert's shoes. Hope this helps and if anyone is interested in this period and the idea of a "Southwestern" 1840's event let me know. Dios, libertad y Tejas, Cpt. Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Boots now Occupations Date: 30 Sep 2002 03:14:51 EDT --part1_2d.24198bc0.2ac953eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/2002 7:11:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mountedranger@hotmail.com writes: > if anyone is interested in this period and the idea of a "Southwestern" > 1840's > event let me know. > Cpt, I'm polishin' up my Paterson's. Put me on the list...... Barney --part1_2d.24198bc0.2ac953eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 9/29/2002 7:11:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mountedranger@hotmail.com writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">if anyone is interested in this period and the idea of a "Southwestern" 1840's <BR> event let me know.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B><BR> Cpt, I'm polishin' up my Paterson's. Put me on the list...... Barney </B></FONT></HTML> --part1_2d.24198bc0.2ac953eb_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Occupations Date: 30 Sep 2002 07:35:32 -0700 > > One occupation I've never ran across anyone doing that might be a whole bunch > of fun to do is that of one of the distillers of the famed Taos Lightning. > > Nauga Mok > Aye, this might work! I also do a bit of home made brew [wine/beer] making. The whiskey trade does sound appealing! Just think of the profits [providing I didn't drink it up...]! Wouldn't lack for customers. This suggestion is kind of amusing in that in my privateer [late 19th century] personna's history involved him being apprenticed to a Scottish whiskey distiller in which he has a "disagreement" which leads him to run away to sea. Thanks all for the help! John Prince ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html