Had a similar experience with Buck Conner a few years ago, I got stuck in the same position as you with his kind help, it took like three washings to get my breeches clean from the sticky mud - good luck.
Oh we where south of Ft. Osage on the Missouri, then again on the Mississippi, man they are big rivers. Your friends long boat would work good on that water.
Keep in touch.
Concho [HRD]
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"ANISCHIK"(is how the Moravians saw it) THANK YOU.
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:19:41
SWcushing wrote:
>Man, oh man, do them Hudson Bay boys know how to have a good time! I'm just
>back from a longboat expedition up the Chehalis River with Mister Work and
>Mister McKay in search of an easy water route to the Frasier. Two and a half
>days at the oar, and wading through knee deep sucking mud with a blazing sun
>and swarms of mosquitos was about as much fun as a guy could stand!
>
>I signed on as the Chief Scout for the trip which meant I'd be the first one
>out of the boat, into the mud, and search for hostiles in the briars,
>stinging nettles, and devils club.... All for 10 pounds, and an extra ration
>of rhum! The Doc sez my hands should relax form the claw position to normal
>in a few days, but the cuts, blisters, and bruises will take awhile longer.
>
>I'm amazed at what the HBCo did in the land I live in and have a great
>respect for how they did it.
>
>Here's a couple jpg's of the trip..... I'm that handsome silver haired scout
by <A HREF="http://users.erols.com/kfraser/authors/gilmore2.html">Patrick Sarsfield Gilmore</A>
When Johnny comes marching home again, Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give him a hearty welcome then, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The men will cheer, the boys will shout,
The ladies they will all turn out,
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
The old church bells will peal with joy, Hurrah! Hurrah!
To welcome home our darling boy, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The village lads and lassies say
With roses they will strew the way,
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
Get ready for the Jubilee, Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give the hero three times three, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The laurel wreath is ready now to place upon his loyal brow,
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
Let love and friendship on that day, Hurrah! Hurrah!
Their choicest treasures then display, Hurrah! Hurrah!
And let each one perform some part
To fill with joy the warrior's heart,
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">There may be a number of versions of 'When Johnny Comes Marching Home', but in looking it up, the lyrics for the ORIGINAL version.... credited to the Union Army Bandmaster Partick S. Gilmore, who wrote it in 1863... are:</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
<DIV>Hi Folks, Is anyone planning on attending the Pacific Primitive Rdvs. ? I plan on being there. I hope to meet some of you there. It would be nice to put faces to some of your names. See you in Oregon? Randy</DIV>
In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:22:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rsayah@u.washington.edu writes: <<I could use some assistance in planning a
program for teenagers...>>
Howdy Bearstrider, and welcome to the fire!
In addition to some of the things you already mentioned, I have and will,
when appropriate, use the following for a YMCA summer camp. This particular
camp is 8-11 year olds, but these would be suitable for teens as well....
A class on edible plants that are native to the area.
How to field dress an animal. (Check with the Directors on this one ;). )
Making and using snares.
Making bread by mixing dough "in the sack", twisting it over the end of a
small limb and baking it over the coals.
Passing around furs, trade beads and period accoutrements.
Demonstrating of fire starting (flint & steel and bow-drill).
Making cordage and knots using a Lucet made from a twig.
Making medicine wheels or bags.
Baking in a Dutch oven (which I personally hate to include for PC reasons,
but is always requested by the camp Director. Fortunately, I am not period
restricted in this particular setting.)
Depending on the group you are seeing at any given time, I have found that
the boys love anything to do with weapons and fire, and the girls love the
artsy stuff like quillwork, beadwork, trade beads, lanterns, loomwork, etc.
My camp has 4, 45 minute activity sessions each day. I tried to change the
presentation each day so that all 18 cabins would see different things and be
able to share them with each other. It seemed to be a major hit with the
campers and staff!
If you need any other info, contact me offlist,
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:22:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rsayah@u.washington.edu writes: <<</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B>I could use some assistance in planning a program for teenagers...>></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Howdy Bearstrider, and welcome to the fire!<BR>
<BR>
In addition to some of the things you already mentioned, I have and will, when appropriate, use the following for a YMCA summer camp. This particular camp is 8-11 year olds, but these would be suitable for teens as well....<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B>A class on edible plants that are native to the area.<BR>
<BR>
How to field dress an animal. (Check with the Directors on this one ;). )<BR>
<BR>
Making and using snares.<BR>
<BR>
Making bread by mixing dough "in the sack", twisting it over the end of a small limb and baking it over the coals.<BR>
<BR>
Passing around furs, trade beads and period accoutrements. <BR>
<BR>
Demonstrating of fire starting (flint & steel and bow-drill).<BR>
<BR>
Making cordage and knots using a Lucet made from a twig.<BR>
<BR>
Making medicine wheels or bags. <BR>
<BR>
Baking in a Dutch oven (which I personally hate to include for PC reasons, but is always requested by the camp Director. Fortunately, I am not period restricted in this particular setting.)<BR>
<BR>
Depending on the group you are seeing at any given time, I have found that the boys love anything to do with weapons and fire, and the girls love the artsy stuff like quillwork, beadwork, trade beads, lanterns, loomwork, etc.<BR>
<BR>
My camp has 4, 45 minute activity sessions each day. I tried to change the presentation each day so that all 18 cabins would see different things and be able to share them with each other. It seemed to be a major hit with the campers and staff!<BR>
<BR>
If you need any other info, contact me offlist,<BR>
<BR>
Barney</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Buffalo Raffle - the clock is ticking.
Date: 13 Jun 2002 13:57:42 -0700
Boys,
That's probably a very good idea Dennis, Buck has taken more of these animals than anyone I know and I have hunted with him and have seen him shoot, standing or running game he's right on. So with his skills, he still carries a second gun, that's good enough for me, the way I shoot anymore is a wheelbarrow period - I'll bring a load of weapons.
You boys better get more than one ticket, did you see the Baker Party pictures on the AMM site at: http://amm_raffle.tripod.com/amm.html nice bull and old LaVelle shooting that new Caywood smoothie.
I got my tickets, how about you Dennis and the rest of you folks? This is really a pretty good deal, you hear guys talk about cheap animals, well let me tell there's no freebies.
Have a guy at State College buy a young bull at a local auction, couldn't shoot it there, so he borrows a stock trailer to haul the animal to a place where the tree huggers won't see or know about it. Sounds like a fair idea.
The stockyard guys load the buffalo and off Cliff goes with his cheap bull, on the way coming off Jack's Mounatin the bull starts raising hell in the trailer. Cliff slows down and everything is OK, then for some unknown reason the bull jumped or something and Cliff hits a parked vehicle along side the road.
That cheap bull that he was bragging about cost him damages on the vehicle, plus on the trailer, he wouldn't tell us how much because his wife was listening, so much for cheap animals.
I'll buy a couple of $10 tickets and not worry about trying to haul a live animal, plus they help you with the care of the animal after it's down, that's a lot in itself folks.
Better get a cheap ticket at: AMM "Buffalo Raffle": http://amm_raffle.tripod.com/amm.html
The old site at: Historical Research: http://conner110.tripod.com/ is no longer any good, Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/ now owns it and has combined the two at there site.
If you get lucky and win, I'll bring my fork and plate for some fine eating brother. If I win I would like you and Buck as my backup shooters with Pablo as our cook, we'll work that little sucker into the ground.
Concho [HRD]
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:16:43
Double Edge Forge wrote:
>I got my chances, Concho.... And have a damned good chance of winning if
>everyone else sits on their wallets...
>After I kill the bull (when I win<G>) we will have us a fodeedo! Hump ribs,
>tongue and bodin eatin' fer all!!!
>And a new Winter robe for my lodge!!!WHOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>D
>Visit one or all these sites, find out about the [AMM] (American Mountain
>I will gladly be the cook. Cooks always get to test the fare, just to see that it is properly cooked, and I can assure you that I do a great deal of taste-testing, Hump ribs really need my concentrated attention, as to each and every rib. Must not let any fare reach your fork unless it meets my high standards. Remember, starvation is a good thing, when your cook is watching out for your best interests.
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WAIT A MINUTE WHERE DID THIS "STARVATION" CRAP COME FROM, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE HONORED TO COOK FOR TWO SUCH FINE GENTLEMEN AS MR. MILES AND MYSELF. SCRATCH THE "FINE GENTLEMEN" MAKE IT "GOOD NATURED TRAPPERS" YOU FREEKIN' TEXAS TOAD AND THAT'S STARTING TO FADE.
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>In truth, I want to know where all the members of this and certain other lists disappeared to when they finally got their way about reducing the cost of the tickets on this raffle. It seems passingly strange, at least to several of us who are neck deep in this project, that these fellows yelled long and hard, got their way, and now most of them have not bought one lousy ticket. I guess honor is not a term that translates well, or if they had good intentions and simply fell on hard times, they should have let those of us who care about them, step up and donate a ticket in their name. Doing right to those of us who are in need can be kept very private, and is the correct thing for us to do. As for those who do not have a financial excuse, a pox on them and theirs. If their word means nothing when they debate and get us to change the rules of the raffle, then they do not deserve to be on this or any other list of similar persuation.
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I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD PABLO, TALKS CHEAP AND IT SEEMS TO BE SHOWING IN SOME FOLKS CASE.
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>And the way, Concho, just talked to Buck, and he says you are a bloodly asshole for thinking that I would cook for the likes of you or Dennis.
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NOW JUST A MINUTE WITH THE NAME CALLIN' MR. JONES, I MAY HAVE HAD MY FEELINGS HURT WITH YOUR REMARKS AND THAT LOW LIFE YOU REFERRED TO, BUCK. NOT REALLY I JUST CONSIDER WHERE IT CAME FROM AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD THAT YOU TWO THINK SO HIGHLY OF ME. MR. MILES WHERE ARE YOU, HE'S TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF US, OH DENNIS.
Concho [HRD]
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Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/
Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/
See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.
Half what, crazy about what ???? Anyone that runs around most of the time in a blacksmith shop barefooted and then throws out off the wall remarks needs to look in his own backyard.
Come on boys lets sell some buff tickets for the AMM, as slow as this is right now - hell it's better odds than these state lotto's for winning. The only thing going on here is Miles and Jones picking on my poor old butt, a blacksmith and a freekin' lawyer, what the heck is this place comin' to !!!
Like Buck says:
YOU HAD BETTER GET ON BOARD & GET YOUR TICKETS FOR THIS ONE FRIENDS. YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS OUT LIKE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS DID IN THE HAY DAYS OF "BUFF HUNTING ON THE GREAT PLAINS".
That's one, anyone else, this gentleman putting up his money, how about you ?
Apparently with a name like "Black Knife" you have one of the blacksmiths items. <GGG>
By the way I'm Pennsylvania Dutch - Boone's home, not a Texas boy, that's Pablo - born and breed in that State or is it still a Republic ? Remember that's the place that Crockett went to, for warmer weather.
Where are those Missouri, Kansas, Texas, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado Boys at, this hunt is close for you guys, hell me and Mr. Miles have to drive half way across this country.
Hey Pablo you still awake, I know Larry will answer me.
Concho [HRD]
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Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/
Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/
See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:10:46
ALAN AVERY wrote:
>"...Come on boys lets sell some buff tickets for the AMM, as slow as this is
>right now - hell it's better odds than these state lotto's for winning. The
>only thing going on here is Miles and Jones picking on my poor old butt, a
>blacksmith and a freekin' lawyer, what the heck is this place comin' to
>!!!..."
>
>
>OK OK, I'm in, (assuming you gots no objection to a Northerner comin' down
>there to show you 'Mericans how it's done !!) And just to show that I'm a
>little crazy myself, I'll send my money to the blacksmith to put in the
>kitty for me. (When my number comes up I'm gonna need a good back up man too
>D, if ya got nothin' else planned for that weekend!).
>
>
>
>Black Knife
>
>Ni h'Θibhneas gan Chlainn Domhnaill
> " Per Mare Per Terras"
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Buck said you where doing mucho' walking, you getting a little "light" headed, can't sleep ? Sell some tickets while your on your trip.
Dennis is making a deal not to sue the tiller manufacture if they will buy tickets ? <GGG>
Concho [HRD]
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Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/
Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/
See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:32:12
Paul Jones wrote:
Awake???......I did not go to bed last night, the usual get everything done mode for a brief out of town trip. Too busy typing serious stuff to watch the list that closely.
>
>Regards.
>
>Pablo
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel L. Concho Smith" hrd7@lycos.com
>>
>> Hey Pablo you still awake, I know Larry will answer me.
How long has the list of "AMM Brother's Gone Under" been on the AMM Raffle site ? This is the first that I really payed attention, that's pretty neat to honor those that go before us. Man the pictures of you guys shooting buffalo are really something, what an exciting time that will be when I win this event. <GGG>.
Well I got to get back to work on my research project on "stone bridges" here in PA, their age and who funded and built them for the project manager report.
Later.
Concho [HRD]
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Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/
Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/
See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.
Received this a little while ago from Buck, read it, makes good sense.
Concho [HRD]
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Hello Brothers,
Paul Jones graciously took the initiative to advertise this raffle in several National Magazines. Hopefully this will generate some sales.
Buck Connor created a web site to advertise the Great Buffalo Raffle, and several members have created links to it on their websites, way to go guys ! ! !
What we need to do is to get the WORD OUT now. Lets make this effort pay off for the land.
As to you individuals... This Hunt is an excellent opportunity. Think of all of that meat in the freezer, think of curling up on a cold night in your buffalo robe, which you hunted.....
The skull alone is worth several hundred dollars. Ok, Ok...you say you couldn't possibly do this hunt due to logistics.... Well.... you winning ticket would be very sellable. Your slight investment in the ticket, and Our Land, could net you a tidy profit on an auction, etc.... Think of that angle.
There are many on this list who would be willing, and able, to pay a discounted price for this Hunt (say $1,000?) ...... Your investment in tickets could pay off handsomely by selling the ticket.
Your odds are a heck of a lot better than playing the Lottery. right now the odds are 1:89, this sure beats 1:1,000,000,000......
Please brothers, contribute what you can, sell some tickets to friends, shooting club members, folks at local rendezvous, etc.... The drawing will be in the first few days of December. I've talked to my banker. He will do the drawing, and notorize the result. This will be a completely fair drawing.
The winner will be notified as soon as possible. Let people know this.
A disinterested party will be doing the drawing. He will inspect the drawing box, etc.... I will have a statement drawn up , which he will notorize. I will not be buying tickets, to avoid a conflict of interest. Any one who knows me, knows that I have been a good contributor to our cause. Do me a BIG favor? print this out and distribute it to your fellow party memebers? Help us get the word out, help us sell tickets, help us achieve OUR goal. Ok..ok.... I'll let go of your ear, for now.... Thanks for your attention. I am, Your Friend and Brother,
Randy 'Hardtack' Bublitz
Hey,
Like the man says:
Your odds are a heck of a lot better than playing the Lottery. right now the odds are 1:89, this sure beats 1:1,000,000,000......
Subject: MtMan-List: Discovery Channel - The Search For Lewis & Clark
Date: 15 Jun 2002 18:04:45 EDT
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Discovery Channel is airing "The Search For Lewis & Clark" tomorrow (Sunday
6/16) at 9pm E/P. This one includes satellite and archeological studies.
Hope it's as good as the commercials for it ;> Barney
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<DIV>Hello to all, and Happy Fathers Day to you Dads out there,</DIV>
<DIV> This is just a reminder that The American Mountain Men are still selling tickets to the Buffal Hunt Raffle. You can find out all about the Hunt and Raffle at Buck's great website:</DIV>
<DIV> Sales have been rather slow. This translates to not many tickets in the drawing box; ie- great odds of winning ! ! ! The winner will get to hunt a large bull buffalo, black powder only, on a private ranch in Kansas. The Buffalo will be skinned and butchered for you. The winner gets it all; hide, skull, meat, everything except the gut pile (unless you want that too). </DIV>
<DIV> The drawing will be the first week of Dec., 2002. The hunt is set up for Feb., but the owner of the ranch will work with your schedule. You do want to hunt in winter, while the hide is prime. </DIV>
<DIV> Check out the website. Good luck to you. YFAB, Randy</DIV>
Subject: MtMan-List: Contact Buck on site problems !
Date: 17 Jun 2002 07:33:08 -0700
Randy,
You may want to contact Buck if there's a problem with the AMM raffle site, he hasn't been on this list since the Raven lady was causing all the baloney months ago here.
He's not aware of any of this or he would be working on it for sure.
I'll try calling him too, think he was going to either Bridger or Ft. Laramie today. Last week he was at Bent's, talked to him on Friday.
Concho.
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: JW Stephens <lray@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Well, FWIW, none of the buffalo raffle links work for me from here at
>> work. All are either Error 500 or Error 550. Buck's have some
>> particularly hilarious messages reflecting his own peculiar literacy.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Contact Buck on site problems !
Date: 17 Jun 2002 09:22:17 -0700
Buck just called me about AMM BUFFALO RAFFLE page, said he found a bad address on AMM main page and contacted Dean to correct it.
As for the banners and the sometimes ads that appear, this is not his doing, that's TRIPOD's site setup, they give the site owners a free web site as long as they TRIPOD can have the banners and ads shown. Buck is trying to get several of those site owners/me included to pay TRIPOD's monthly fee to leave that stuff off.
Oh, he still thinks that Raven is sitting and waiting to cause problems as before under a different name, reason why he's not on this list at this time.
If anyone sees any other problems with the AMM BUFFALO RAFFLE site, probably best to contact Buck at: conner_one@msn.com and he'll work on the problem.
Thanks
Concho
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:33:08
Daniel L. wrote:
>Randy,
>
>You may want to contact Buck if there's a problem with the AMM raffle site, he hasn't been on this list since the Raven lady was causing all the baloney months ago here.
>
>He's not aware of any of this or he would be working on it for sure.
>
>I'll try calling him too, think he was going to either Bridger or Ft. Laramie today. Last week he was at Bent's, talked to him on Friday.
The AMM Jim Baker Party will be there to help as back up, skinning and general camp doings, so there will be plenty of back-up and help, don't worry about that boys.
They never miss a good time and it will be one to remember, Buck said several would film in for the web site as well as the T&LR.
Sounds better all the time doesn't it.
Concho [HRD]
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Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/
Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/
See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:21:57
Randal Bublitz wrote:
>
>This is the second response to my 'good rifle' quote....
> I appologize for my poor usage of words...<s>.... I shoulda said
>something to the effect of...."if any of you shoot like me, I understand
>that the owner will back you up and save your a** from becoming Buffalo Toe
>Jam..." Again, sorry..didn't mean to insult anyone's shooter... YFAB
>Randy
>
>> Randall, ye said,
>> <he's standing
>> behind you with a good rifle.... >
>> Are ye implying my Hawk bilt Jager ain't a "good" rifle? Hawk might
>take
>> umprage wit them words and leave yer gut pile out thar on them Kansas
>> plains. <G> I assure you it is a mighty fine rifle.
>>
>--- Randal Bublitz
>--- rjbublitz@earthlink.net
>we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
> we are Borrowing it from ou
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Buck is trying to clean up the confusion on folks getting to the AMM Raffle site, this may have been one that they where picking.
Thanks
Concho [HRD]
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:33:10
Randal Bublitz wrote:
>
>
>
>> Hi hawk, send auction/raffle items to me also. That's part of the job
>also. Thanks for your support. Randy
>>
>>
>> also need a mailing address to send some
>> > stuff for the auction---have a couple of things here that might work---
>> >
>> > randal ---just saw your address posted on the next message so will send
>> > you a check for tickets---still need the place to mail stuff for the
>> > raffel---going out of town the 1st so will have to ship befor then or it
>> > will be over a month till i am back home---
>> >
>> > guys lets get behind this land fund thing and support it everyone on
>this
>> > list even those that are not AMM members you can help the cause
>> > also---and i am sure most of you spend more than the price of a ticket
>on
>> > cold beer---(Nuff said) --sure wish the ground was closer to me so i
>> > could visit it--- want to get to one more big doins befor i see the
>maker
>> > and make all my excuses---getting too old to make long trecks any more
>> > except by power mule--
>> > HAWK
>> >
>> > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:29:45 -0700 "Randal Bublitz"
>> > <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> writes:
>> > > Hi Frank, you're the second one to say that...works for me...oh
>> > > well... try
>> > > one of these websites with links to buff. raffle page. Thanks for
>> > > your
>> > > support. ps- the owner backs you up, just in case..... he's
>> > > standing
>> > > behind you with a good rifle.... Randy
>> > >
>> > > AMM "The Great Buffalo Raffle":http://amm_raffle.tripod.com/amm.html
I got the original barrel out of Dennis Miles' Mrs. Jager, she was a smoothie at birth and like you say she too - "at one time was starting to look like she would become a mater stake if she didnt change her attitude", that's when Buck had chnaged to a rifle gun.
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:01:29
hawknest4 wrote:
>we knew what you ment randel---no appology needed on this end---all in
>good fun pard---But frank's gun does relly have a hex on it---trust
>me---and frank knows what i mean---darn thing originally came with a hant
>attached but it will shoot and pretty fast for a rock gun too---dont
>waste no time getting the ball down range to its mark and it dont look
>too bad eather . at one time it was starting to look like it would
>become a mater stake if it didnt change its attitude---(GBG)
>
>HAWK
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Got a list of Alfred J. Miller art that the Joslyn Art Museum in Omaha Neb.
has in its collection. You can get the list and order copies in two sizes for
$20 and $40
(402) 342 3300 they have 130 different pieces available the Lost Scout,
Captain J. R. Walker, Fort Laramie, Bee Hunters, The Trapper Bride, Taking
the Hump Ribs to name a few. I was searching for Fontenelle Chased by a
Grizzly Bear. The Museum of the Fur Trade referred me to Joslyn. It is a pen
and ink wash that plainly shows Fontenelle with his breech cloth flapping in
the breeze with his leggings still on. He was doing his business when the
bear surprised him. I think the small size is standard paper size and the is
twice that.
The only bad questions are those that are not asked
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<BR>Got a list of Alfred J. Miller art that the Joslyn Art Museum in Omaha Neb. has in its collection. You can get the list and order copies in two sizes for $20 and $40
<BR>(402) 342 3300 they have 130 different pieces available the Lost Scout, Captain J. R. Walker, Fort Laramie, Bee Hunters, The Trapper Bride, Taking the Hump Ribs to name a few. I was searching for Fontenelle Chased by a Grizzly Bear. The Museum of the Fur Trade referred me to Joslyn. It is a pen and ink wash that plainly shows Fontenelle with his breech cloth flapping in the breeze with his leggings still on. He was doing his business when the bear surprised him. I think the small size is standard paper size and the is twice that.
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He needs a frizzen shoe like Russ Hamns use to offer until someone complained that they glowed at night, Oh well. They would sure throw some sparks.
Since then, we have used a piece of wide hacksaw blade and sweat it on the face of the bad frizzen, like Hamns material was installed, works pretty good, but doesn't have that pretty glow.
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Frank Fusco wrote:
>Gray Bear
> Sounds like you might have one of the well-known 'Tower' pistol.
>Boatloads of these were imported and sold, many by Dixie. The frizzens were
>never good.
> And by smoothing down yours you, no doubt, removed what face hardening
>might have been there. Not a big deal.
> You need to (or have done) reharden the frizzen face. I recenlty did one
>with Hawk's method. If I describe it wrong, I'm sure Hawk will jump in with
>a correction.
> First, get the face smooth.
> Hold the frizzen face up by the screw lug, using a vice just tight
>enough to hold it. Place a can or pot of water directly underneath.
> Use an oil like motor oil and spread on the frizzen face. Then sprinkle
>a good coating of Kasenit on that. You can get it from Brownell's or you
>local gun shop. (a $20 can will last a couple lifetimes)
> Using a good torch (propane, mapp, acetelyne) heat from below until the
>whole frizzen face glows almost white.
> Then QUICKLY release the vice so the frizzen falls into the water while
>still glowing hot. You will hear a loud pop. Let cool, remove and clean.
>Use. Will spark fine.
> Another way, without Kasenit, that might or might not work. Is to hold
>the frizzen by the lug with long nosed pliers in one hand. Use the torch on
>the face until it is almost white glowing hot, then plunge into a can of
>motor oil and swirl around until cooled. (do outside, makes stinky smoke.
>unless you are single, then it is ok to do in living room :-) ) Depending
>on steel in frizzen, it might be ok with that, if not you wasted your time.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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In a message dated 6/20/02 6:18:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
> Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
>
> Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
> M.A.Smith Esq.
> Colony of Maryland
> Hunting Ridge
>
Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley
any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of
Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft
Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it
was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
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<BR>Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
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In a message dated 6/20/02 6:18:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
> Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
>
> Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
> M.A.Smith Esq.
> Colony of Maryland
> Hunting Ridge
>
Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley
any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of
Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft
Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it
was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
Y.M.O.S.
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
<BR>Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
<BR>
<BR>Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
<BR> M.A.Smith Esq.
<BR> Colony of Maryland
<BR> Hunting Ridge
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
<BR>
<BR>So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
In a message dated 6/24/2002 2:27:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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These supposed 'Nigerian' yahoos have figured out how to penetrate and mine
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incomprehensible, but....
Just FYI, Washington recently issued a warning that they have picked up the
same thing now from 'Afghani's' citing our involvement there as the cause of
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Flim-Flam Artists exist everywhere; the internet is no exception. Like
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>These supposed 'Nigerian' yahoos have figured out how to penetrate and mine email lists, chat forums, use groups, etc. everywhere and believe it or not, there are fools that actually fall for the BS. I know it's almost incomprehensible, but....<BR>
<BR>
Just FYI, Washington recently issued a warning that they have picked up the same thing now from 'Afghani's' citing our involvement there as the cause of their troubles and the reason we should help them out LMAO! <BR>
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<P><BR><FONT size=4>Here's are some questions to ponder as to being prepared, whether hunting, shooting a match or defending yourself in a different area.</FONT></P><FONT size=4></FONT>
<P><BR><FONT size=4>What kind of a gun would you use if "<STRONG>lucky"</STRONG> enough to get the winning ticket for <STRONG>"The Great Buffalo Raffle", </STRONG>will you allow an extra day for testing your gun before shooting on live game, learning about thw wind, hunting conditions or the lay of the land ?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>What about a second gun, I like killing my own game not having a backup shooter doing it for me. Will you carry a second gun for this reason if a second shot is needed !</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I do, and can say after a dozen animals I have used that second gun maybe 5 times. In fact on one outing ("Quill" can tell you) I needed to grab an additional gun his - Ken "Quill" Smith's, to finish a bad acting cow that had been hit 4 times before the killing shot behind the ear, so believe me these are hard animals to get on the ground at times.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>In zero weather there's nothing like a charging wounded 1200 lb. animal to get your attention, brother I have had cold sweat drop off my shoulder blades and hit me in the crack of the butt after the last killing shot. That's your system working double time in life threating experiences, wait to have one, you'll love it. </FONT></P>
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<LI><FONT size=4>Those of you that did a little time over seas know the feeling when you did something stupid like walk up on the bad guy by accident, and where lucky enough to get off the first shot. Big time sweat. <GGG>.</FONT></LI></UL>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, Serif" size=4><FONT size=5><STRONG>HEY GET YOUR GIRL FRIEND OR WIFE A RAFFLE TICKET FOR THAT SPECIAL DAY - YOU COULD ME HER BACKUP SHOOTER <GGG>.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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I usually don't reply much on this web site but I felt a response was necessary to this question about killing buffs.
I have personally killed 4 3year old bulls with muzzle-loaders and I have witnessed at least 3 more other people kill their bulls here in Colorado in the last 25 years.
1. A buffalo brain is small and sits in the top of the head. If you shoot him between the eyes you are just going to piss him off. Draw a line between the center of the left eye socket to the center of the right horn, do that again at the r. eye to the left horn. X marks the spot where you aim if you want a dead instant like kill. I shot my last one with a .45 caliber original ky long rifle which belonged to my G.G.G. daddy. 70 grains of 3 f w/ round ball, That bull went down like he was pole-axed. Now the 1st bull I ever shot back in the 1970s. Wellllll,,,,,,,, that is another story. Suffice to say that I don't reccommend a between the eyes shot. Behind the ear is fine. You can probably do that with a light gun. I have seen that shot made on a 4 year old bull with nothing but a .35 remington. he dropped dead instantly. I also have seen one shot with a .45/70 shilo sharps at 30 yds right through the lungs. That animal died pretty quick but not as quick as a good brain shot. I have the skull of my last with one small .45 hole about an inch from the X where the brain is. M. Branson
"Daniel L. Concho Smith" <hrd7@lycos.com> wrote: Just received this from Buck Conner about hunting buffalo.
Watch the skyline when leaving and do come back.
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sorry the computer sent the message before I had finished, re- read it brothers.
"HEY YOU" - "YES YOU"
Here's are some questions to ponder as to being prepared, whether hunting, shooting a match or defending yourself in a different area.
What kind of a gun would you use if "lucky" enough to get the winning ticket for "The Great Buffalo Raffle", will you allow an extra day for testing your gun before shooting on live game, learning about thw wind, hunting conditions or the lay of the land ?
What about a second gun, I like killing my own game not having a backup shooter doing it for me. Will you carry a second gun for this reason if a second shot is needed !
I do, and can say after a dozen animals I have used that second gun maybe 5 times. In fact on one outing ("Quill" can tell you) I needed to grab an additional gun his - Ken "Quill" Smith's, to finish a bad acting cow that had been hit 4 times before the killing shot behind the ear, so believe me these are hard animals to get on the ground at times.
In zero weather there's nothing like a charging wounded 1200 lb. animal to get your attention, brother I have had cold sweat drop off my shoulder blades and hit me in the crack of the butt after the last killing shot. That's your system working double time in life threating experiences, wait to have one, you'll love it.
Those of you that did a little time over seas know the feeling when you did something stupid like walk up on the bad guy by accident, and where lucky enough to get off the first shot. Big time sweat. <GGG>.
HEY GET YOUR GIRL FRIEND OR WIFE A RAFFLE TICKET FOR THAT SPECIAL DAY - YOU COULD ME HER BACKUP SHOOTER <GGG>.
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<P> I usually don't reply much on this web site but I felt a response was necessary to this question about killing buffs.
<P>I have personally killed 4 3year old bulls with muzzle-loaders and I have witnessed at least 3 more other people kill their bulls here in Colorado in the last 25 years.
<P>1. A buffalo brain is small and sits in the top of the head. If you shoot him between the eyes you are just going to piss him off. Draw a line between the center of the left eye socket to the center of the right horn, do that again at the r. eye to the left horn. X marks the spot where you aim if you want a dead instant like kill. I shot my last one with a .45 caliber original ky long rifle which belonged to my G.G.G. daddy. 70 grains of 3 f w/ round ball, That bull went down like he was pole-axed. Now the 1st bull I ever shot back in the 1970s. Wellllll,,,,,,,, that is another story. Suffice to say that I don't reccommend a between the eyes shot. Behind the ear is fine. You can probably do that with a light gun. I have seen that shot made on a 4 year old bull with nothing but a .35 remington. he dropped dead instantly. I also have seen one shot with a .45/70 shilo sharps at 30 yds right through the lungs. That animal died pretty quick but not as quick as a good brain shot. I have the skull of my last with one small .45 hole about an inch from the X where the brain is. M. Branson
<P> <B><I>"Daniel L. Concho Smith" <hrd7@lycos.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Just received this from Buck Conner about hunting buffalo.<BR><BR>Watch the skyline when leaving and do come back.<BR><BR>Concho [HRD]<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>Historical Research & Development<BR>"ANISCHIK"(is how the Moravians saw it) THANK YOU.<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>Double Edge forge http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<BR>Buck's Base Camp: http://buckconner.tripod.com/<BR>Historical Research & Development: http://hrd7.tripod.com/<BR><BR>See the AMM site for more supporters of this event.<BR><BR>--------- Forwarded Message ---------<BR><BR>DATE: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:59:01<BR>From: "Buck Conner ~ AMM ~ Lenape ~ NRA ~" <CONNER_ONE@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To: KSMITH@hach.com, bill@klesinger.com, conner_one@hotmail.com, pdkeas@market1.com, amm1616@earthlink.net, mtnman1696@cs.com, kzurawski@aol.com, abojerry@aol.com, dejim55@aol.com, sbhonour@msn.com, markloader@aol.com, ammcap@aol.com, behryeco@cs.com, bcunningham@gwe.net, mtnman1449@aol.com, hrd7@lycos.com, deforge1@bright.net, gbwcopper@aol.com, pwdhwk@webtv.net, pwjones@myexcel.com, 4doobers@pyramid.net, ggricha@qwest.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>Win a first-class trip to New Orleans and vacation Elvis Style!.<BR>Enter NOW!<BR>http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes/
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<P><BR><FONT size=4>Here's are some questions to ponder as to being prepared, whether hunting, shooting a match or defending yourself in a different area.</FONT></P><FONT size=4></FONT>
<P><BR><FONT size=4>What kind of a gun would you use if "<STRONG>lucky"</STRONG> enough to get the winning ticket for <STRONG>"The Great Buffalo Raffle", </STRONG>will you allow an extra day for testing your gun before shooting on live game, learning about thw wind, hunting conditions or the lay of the land ?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>What about a second gun, I like killing my own game not having a backup shooter doing it for me. Will you carry a second gun for this reason if a second shot is needed !</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I do, and can say after a dozen animals I have used that second gun maybe 5 times. In fact on one outing ("Quill" can tell you) I needed to grab an additional gun his - Ken "Quill" Smith's, to finish a bad acting cow that had been hit 4 times before the killing shot behind the ear, so believe me these are hard animals to get on the ground at times.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>In zero weather there's nothing like a charging wounded 1200 lb. animal to get your attention, brother I have had cold sweat drop off my shoulder blades and hit me in the crack of the butt after the last killing shot. That's your system working double time in life threating experiences, wait to have one, you'll love it. </FONT></P>
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<LI><FONT size=4>Those of you that did a little time over seas know the feeling when you did something stupid like walk up on the bad guy by accident, and where lucky enough to get off the first shot. Big time sweat. <GGG>.</FONT></LI></UL>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What kind of a gun will you use ?
Date: 28 Jun 2002 10:45:54 -0700
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:08:44
Michael Branson wrote:
>1. A buffalo brain is small and sits in the top of the head. If you shoot him between the eyes you are just going to piss him off. Draw a line between the center of the left eye socket to the center of the right horn, do that again at the r. eye to the left horn. X marks the spot....... Now the 1st bull I ever shot back in the 1970s. Wellllll,,,,,,,, that is another story.....
I also have seen one shot with a .45/70 shilo sharps at 30 yds right through the lungs. That animal died pretty quick but not as quick as a good brain shot. M. Branson
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I have seen as you say "brain shots" from the front and rear, they don't always work due to distance, angle and of course the shooter, it is a small area to hit.
Have seen a number shot through the lungs and like you say it will take a few minutes for them to get sick and then the work starts.
I have put down 6 animals, not like the dozen Buck has, but I'm sure he would agree with what we have said Mike.
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