A quote from Personal Narrative of James O. Pattie
Page 47
We arrived at the house of the governor on the 12th......My hair hung matted
and uncombed. My head was surmounted with an old straw hat. My legs were
fitted with leather leggings, and my body arrayed in a leather hunting shirt,
and no want of dirt about of the whole. My companions did not shame me, by
being better clad. But all these repulsive circumstances not withstanding, we
were welcomed by the governor and Jacova, as kindly, as if we had been clad
in a manner worthly of their establishment.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>A quote from Personal Narrative of James O. Pattie
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<BR>We arrived at the house of the governor on the 12th......My hair hung matted and uncombed. My head was surmounted with an old straw hat. My legs were fitted with leather leggings, and my body arrayed in a leather hunting shirt, and no want of dirt about of the whole. My companions did not shame me, by being better clad. But all these repulsive circumstances not withstanding, we were welcomed by the governor and Jacova, as kindly, as if we had been clad in a manner worthly of their establishment.
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Subject: MtMan-List: Delaware - Missouri Fur Company
Date: 11 Dec 2001 08:45:35
An early reference to Delaware in the Rocky Mountains is in the letters of Pierre Meanrd, Resident Partner of the Missouri Fur Company û Menard states two Delaware were killed with George Drouillard at the Three Forks in 1810, not Shawnee.
Take Care,
Ned
www.thefurtrapper.com
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A Brant is a dark stocky sea goose with a black head, neck, and breast and
whitish patch on ether side of the neck. Average 25 inches in length where a
Canada Goose can reach 45 inches. It is seldom seen far in land spend it
summer in the Arctic and winters along the coast. There are many other
species of geese in North America Greater White-fronted Goose, Bean Goose,
Pink-footed Goose, Snow Goose, Ross's Goose and the Emperor Goose (seldom
below Alaska)
Watching geese from below can blur ones vision
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>A Brant is a dark stocky sea goose with a black head, neck, and breast and whitish patch on ether side of the neck. Average 25 inches in length where a Canada Goose can reach 45 inches. It is seldom seen far in land spend it summer in the Arctic and winters along the coast. There are many other species of geese in North America Greater White-fronted Goose, Bean Goose, Pink-footed Goose, Snow Goose, Ross's Goose and the Emperor Goose (seldom below Alaska)
<BR>Watching geese from below can blur ones vision
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Off topic: Roastin a pig.
Date: 12 Dec 2001 23:59:36 EST
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Chris Bar-b-que originated in Jamaica the use green pimento for the grate to
lay the pig on and us a seasoning that is called Jerk made up of cinnamon,
nut meg, scallions, scotch bonnet peppers (hotter than jalapenos) thyme,
salt, allspice, black pepper, and garlic cloves vegetable oil to make a runny
paste all this is rubbed on the outside and stuffed into cut made in the
large part of the pig. I cook whole pigs that weight 150 lb. after dressed
and skinned on a spit that is covered turning every few minutes takes about
eight hours. You have to watch for flame up. Makes for great pig has better
flavor and not steamed like hole cooked pigs.
Mark "Roakill" Loader
Got my name from dutch oven cooking and my roadkill stew for mt. man doings
for the past 20 odd years
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Chris Bar-b-que originated in Jamaica the use green pimento for the grate to lay the pig on and us a seasoning that is called Jerk made up of cinnamon, nut meg, scallions, scotch bonnet peppers (hotter than jalapenos) thyme, salt, allspice, black pepper, and garlic cloves vegetable oil to make a runny paste all this is rubbed on the outside and stuffed into cut made in the large part of the pig. I cook whole pigs that weight 150 lb. after dressed and skinned on a spit that is covered turning every few minutes takes about eight hours. You have to watch for flame up. Makes for great pig has better flavor and not steamed like hole cooked pigs.
<BR>Mark "Roakill" Loader
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"The Chronicles of George C. Yount" while with William Wolfskill in 1830 in
the Wasatch Range wrote:
The blankets used by these travellers of the wilderness are of a peculiar
kind, very thick and almost impervious to water- A small stream of water
running directly through a corner of their camp, they found not difficult to
keep open for the use of themselves and their animals. and a blazing fire was
kept burning night & day in the center- With their Beaver-skins they were
enabled to cover themselves and provide a comfortable bed. Thus they lay ,
shut out from all the world, while the storm was hawling around them, and the
snow falling in astonishing profusion--
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>"The Chronicles of George C. Yount" while with William Wolfskill in 1830 in the Wasatch Range wrote:
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<BR>The blankets used by these travellers of the wilderness are of a peculiar kind, very thick and almost impervious to water- A small stream of water running directly through a corner of their camp, they found not difficult to keep open for the use of themselves and their animals. and a blazing fire was kept burning night & day in the center- With their Beaver-skins they were enabled to cover themselves and provide a comfortable bed. Thus they lay , shut out from all the world, while the storm was hawling around them, and the snow falling in astonishing profusion--
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Here is another example of bedding and shelter that uses raw hides and was an
obvious choice and probably used often than was written. It is from
"Wah-to-yah and the Taos Trail" by Lewis H. Garrard his travels 1846 & 47. A
little after what we refer to as the Rocky MT Fur Trade
Page 144
"First, an eligible site for wood, water, shelter from the winds, and a full
view of the herds is chosen; then the adjacent aspen or pinyon grove furnish
two forked poles, which are generally driven upright into the ground. as far
apart as occasion requires, with four feet or about, visible. A pole is then
laid from one fork to the other, and other small ones, seven or eight feet in
length, laid, the smaller ends on the cross pole, the butts resting on the
ground. On top of these are spread raw hides of beef and the skins of game,
and under the frame the soft ends of the pinyon and cedar branches are spread
to the depth of a foot or more. On top of that, deerskins are laid, and then
the bedding surmounts that, which, altogether, makes a springy mattress,
equal to the best "hair" or "moss." In the front is the blazing pine fir, and
at one side a small stick driven in the ground, an inch or two of the
branches remaining, on which the tin cups are hung when not in use. A short
distance beyond is a pen of logs and brush, in which the caballada (horse
herd) is driven when an animal is wanted."
This a description of a Mexican herds man but is probably what a winter camp
would be like. Garrards writing was finished by 1850 so his wording shows his
knowledge of mattresses made of hair or moss.
Anyone the tans hides knows the amount of hair that comes off a hide could be
easily used for bedding. All animals and birds make beds using fur, hair,
grass, leaves feathers and better yet down, there were many types of
waterfowl. Why would a mountain man not make a bed when time and materials
allowed
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Here is another example of bedding and shelter that uses raw hides and was an obvious choice and probably used often than was written. It is from "Wah-to-yah and the Taos Trail" by Lewis H. Garrard his travels 1846 & 47. A little after what we refer to as the Rocky MT Fur Trade
<BR>Page 144
<BR>"First, an eligible site for wood, water, shelter from the winds, and a full view of the herds is chosen; then the adjacent aspen or pinyon grove furnish two forked poles, which are generally driven upright into the ground. as far apart as occasion requires, with four feet or about, visible. A pole is then laid from one fork to the other, and other small ones, seven or eight feet in length, laid, the smaller ends on the cross pole, the butts resting on the ground. On top of these are spread raw hides of beef and the skins of game, and under the frame the soft ends of the pinyon and cedar branches are spread to the depth of a foot or more. On top of that, deerskins are laid, and then the bedding surmounts that, which, altogether, makes a springy mattress, equal to the best "hair" or "moss." In the front is the blazing pine fir, and at one side a small stick driven in the ground, an inch or two of the branches remaining, on which the tin cups are hung when not in use. A short distance beyond is a pen of logs and brush, in which the caballada (horse herd) is driven when an animal is wanted."
<BR>This a description of a Mexican herds man but is probably what a winter camp would be like. Garrards writing was finished by 1850 so his wording shows his knowledge of mattresses made of hair or moss.
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<BR>Anyone the tans hides knows the amount of hair that comes off a hide could be easily used for bedding. All animals and birds make beds using fur, hair, grass, leaves feathers and better yet down, there were many types of waterfowl. Why would a mountain man not make a bed when time and materials allowed
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<DIV>Frank, I used a Whitney Horse Blanket to make my coat. I made a short Capote, with a cape and collar rather than a hood. The thick wool, cape, and collar makes this a snug coat in the wind, rain or snow. It being short (mid thigh) and no fringe, etc...makes it less cumbersome around camp. I am pleased with this warm coat. hardtack</DIV>
The solder is fine as below the surfs of the oil it is the area above you
have to watch
you can boil water in a paper cup setting right in the fire. Just keep your
under the pot and not let get up on the sides and it is always good to keep
the joint away from the fire. The top will burn down to the water line and
will burn down as the water evaporates. You can take a light pan of water at
a full boil right off the heat, put your hand on the under side and not get
burnt as long as the water is still boiling. The process of boiling and
turning to steam actually lowers the heat. This is why a pressure cooker is
used to cook things faster at a higher temperature especially in the
Mountains. The boiling temp of water goes down about two degrees for every
1000 feet of elevation gain.
Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>The solder is fine as below the surfs of the oil it is the area above you have to watch
<BR>you can boil water in a paper cup setting right in the fire. Just keep your under the pot and not let get up on the sides and it is always good to keep the joint away from the fire. The top will burn down to the water line and will burn down as the water evaporates. You can take a light pan of water at a full boil right off the heat, put your hand on the under side and not get burnt as long as the water is still boiling. The process of boiling and turning to steam actually lowers the heat. This is why a pressure cooker is used to cook things faster at a higher temperature especially in the Mountains. The boiling temp of water goes down about two degrees for every 1000 feet of elevation gain.
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I went out with my brother in-law to help pack out his camp and two Elk this
fall and he had a pack saddle that was single rigged center fire and was
using only a crupper with it. I'm like you Clay it has me flat puzzled how
they made that work for them. It worked fine on the flat and going down hill
but going up hill? what a mess If ya tried tighten it up so it wouldn't slide
back ya cut the critters wind plum off. So ya loosen it up and the Saddle
slides back the chinch slides back to the groin area and the Rodeo was on. We
had Elk and pack saddle peace's scattered all over the side of that mountain.
Need less to say we used my rig to finish packing out with. The Brother
in-laws is going to change the rigging on his saddle and add a breast caller
to it.
As for the Saddle bags the ones Larpenteur describes are very similar to a
type used buy some of the Indian tribes of Rockies. Only there's were made of
brain tan leather. So when we made Jill's saddle bags we combined both kinds.
We made them out of brain tan for the durability and lined them with muslin
so they would not stretch out of shape. They made some fine bags that have
served her well and are big enough that you can pack a lot of stuff in them.
I think this would be a type that would be very easy fore a trapper to come
by here in the Rockies.
That's my two cents.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Wynn and Clay
<BR>I went out with my brother in-law to help pack out his camp and two Elk this fall and he had a pack saddle that was single rigged center fire and was using only a crupper with it. I'm like you Clay it has me flat puzzled how they made that work for them. It worked fine on the flat and going down hill but going up hill? what a mess If ya tried tighten it up so it wouldn't slide back ya cut the critters wind plum off. So ya loosen it up and the Saddle slides back the chinch slides back to the groin area and the Rodeo was on. We had Elk and pack saddle peace's scattered all over the side of that mountain. Need less to say we used my rig to finish packing out with. The Brother in-laws is going to change the rigging on his saddle and add a breast caller to it.
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<BR>As for the Saddle bags the ones Larpenteur describes are very similar to a type used buy some of the Indian tribes of Rockies. Only there's were made of brain tan leather. So when we made Jill's saddle bags we combined both kinds. We made them out of brain tan for the durability and lined them with muslin so they would not stretch out of shape. They made some fine bags that have served her well and are big enough that you can pack a lot of stuff in them. I think this would be a type that would be very easy fore a trapper to come by here in the Rockies.
<BR>That's my two cents.
<BR>See ya on the trail
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Off topic....Laura Jean Update
Date: 26 Dec 2001 01:33:06 EST
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Dear Lanney and friends of Laura Jean,
I am Charles Rugel, Laura Jean's brother. I was checking her email and
noticed Lanney's kind message and update to everyone. I just wanted to
correct the mailing address that was given as Laura and family moved to a new
home back in June shortly after her surgeries. The new address is as follows:
Laura Rugel Glise
3841 Prestwick Lane SE
Olympia, WA 98501
The mail is still forwarded from the old address for the next year so don't
worry if you send one there.
Thank you all for the love and prayers you have given my sister. I have been
very pleased with her ability to understand and appreciate all forms of
communication sent her way, despite her trouble in verbalizing her thoughts.
We all remain hopeful and continually blessed by this wonderful person in our
lives. There is no quit in her.
Warm regards and Happy Holidays,
Charles Rugel
crugel@midsouth.rr.com
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Dear Lanney and friends of Laura Jean,
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<BR>I am Charles Rugel, Laura Jean's brother. I was checking her email and noticed Lanney's kind message and update to everyone. I just wanted to correct the mailing address that was given as Laura and family moved to a new home back in June shortly after her surgeries. The new address is as follows:
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<BR>Laura Rugel Glise
<BR>3841 Prestwick Lane SE
<BR>Olympia, WA 98501
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<BR>The mail is still forwarded from the old address for the next year so don't worry if you send one there.
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<BR>Thank you all for the love and prayers you have given my sister. I have been very pleased with her ability to understand and appreciate all forms of communication sent her way, despite her trouble in verbalizing her thoughts. We all remain hopeful and continually blessed by this wonderful person in our lives. There is no quit in her.
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<BR>Warm regards and Happy Holidays,
<BR>
<BR>Charles Rugel
<BR>crugel@midsouth.rr.com
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Why the hub-bub about being AMM or not?
Date: 29 Dec 2001 00:10:54 EST
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I am afraid somewhere here lately the true spirit of the AMM has been lost.
When I joined it was not about being an "elitist" , being correct enough to
pass for Bridger's twin or even knowing everything about the Fur trade. It
was a like group of men wanting to improve their knowledge. That is the AMM
I joined and I still have BROTHERS that feel that way. These brothers just
moniter the site and don't post much, like me. I hope I die in about 50
years, and still don't know nuthin about the fur trade. C. Kent, you sound
like you might be a man I would be proud to call a brother. All I can say,
is just overlook the perfectionists, and strive to be the best you can be
with what you got. Then I will be proud to call you a Brother.
Tll trails cross+
Turtle
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>I am afraid somewhere here lately the true spirit of the AMM has been lost. When I joined it was not about being an "elitist" , being correct enough to pass for Bridger's twin or even knowing everything about the Fur trade. It was a like group of men wanting to improve their knowledge. That is the AMM I joined and I still have BROTHERS that feel that way. These brothers just moniter the site and don't post much, like me. I hope I die in about 50 years, and still don't know nuthin about the fur trade. C. Kent, you sound like you might be a man I would be proud to call a brother. All I can say, is just overlook the perfectionists, and strive to be the best you can be with what you got. Then I will be proud to call you a Brother.
<BR>Tll trails cross+
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In a message dated 12/31, C.Kent writes in responce to Dick:
<< ----(stuff deleted)---- Both are correct. I think the whip stitch is
stronger and I like it for seams. It makes a seam that will rub...but you
can mash the seam flat with the back of your hawk or a machine hammer for
that matter. ----(stuff deleted)---- >>
I would agree on the whip stitch, plus I would whip along the entire seam and
then repeat in reverse along the seam agian. Just my thoughts.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 12/31, C.Kent writes in responce to Dick:
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<BR><< ----(stuff deleted)---- <I>Both are correct. I think the whip stitch is stronger and I like it for seams. It makes a seam that will rub...but you can mash the seam flat with the back of your hawk or a machine hammer for that matter</I>. ----(stuff deleted)---- >>
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<BR>I would agree on the whip stitch, plus I would whip along the entire seam and then repeat in reverse along the seam agian. Just my thoughts.
