In a message dated 9/2/01 5:21:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
frankf@cox-internet.com writes:
> If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned
>
First off my only/favorite .62 Tulle is fitted with rear sights which I have
documented as being done when a military musket was converted to civilian
use. And I love it as my old tri-focal eyes need the help when I hunt meat.
I am also a certified Range Officer Instructor/Range Officer (NMLRA).
And in establishing a shoot catagory and in the interest of fairness rules
have to be set for every shoot. And the majority of the smoothbores of the
period we recreate did not have a rear sight. And it would give an advantage
in national/regional competitions if a "good" shooter was allowed to use
sights for the paper/clanger parts of the competitions. Now note I said a
"good" as in "serious" shooter. Our club, long ago, decided the shooting was
for fun and bragging and so we allow the use of rear sights. And in the past
several years not one of the smoothbore shoots has been won by any of us that
have them. In the long run a good shooter is a good shooter with or without
rear sights.
But the NMLRA made the rule for all of their events and many
organizations/clubs follow suit just to prevent belly acheing. I for one
don't care, I ask to shoot the event but not for "recorded" score and have
never been turned down, so I still have fun. Or you can drift out your sight
for competition and put it back for hunting, up to you. But as the majority
of the smoothbores (not all) did not have sights that is the catagory the
competitions are set for.
Y.M.O.S.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/2/01 5:21:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<BR>frankf@cox-internet.com writes:
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<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned
<BR>from most primitive matches today? </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>First off my only/favorite .62 Tulle is fitted with rear sights which I have
<BR>documented as being done when a military musket was converted to civilian
<BR>use. And I love it as my old tri-focal eyes need the help when I hunt meat.
<BR>I am also a certified Range Officer Instructor/Range Officer (NMLRA).
<BR>
<BR>And in establishing a shoot catagory and in the interest of fairness rules
<BR>have to be set for every shoot. And the majority of the smoothbores of the
<BR>period we recreate did not have a rear sight. And it would give an advantage
<BR>in national/regional competitions if a "good" shooter was allowed to use
<BR>sights for the paper/clanger parts of the competitions. Now note I said a
<BR>"good" as in "serious" shooter. Our club, long ago, decided the shooting was
<BR>for fun and bragging and so we allow the use of rear sights. And in the past
<BR>several years not one of the smoothbore shoots has been won by any of us that
<BR>have them. In the long run a good shooter is a good shooter with or without
<BR>rear sights.
<BR>
<BR>But the NMLRA made the rule for all of their events and many
<BR>organizations/clubs follow suit just to prevent belly acheing. I for one
<BR>don't care, I ask to shoot the event but not for "recorded" score and have
<BR>never been turned down, so I still have fun. Or you can drift out your sight
<BR>for competition and put it back for hunting, up to you. But as the majority
<BR>of the smoothbores (not all) did not have sights that is the catagory the
<BR>competitions are set for.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.</FONT></HTML>
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Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had<BR>
on one of his pages, when talking about a family<BR>
member that was of such breeding.<BR>
<BR>
Concho.<BR>
<BR>
The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection<BR>
<BR>
At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a<BR>
confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian<BR>
stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and<BR>
Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different<BR>
dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware<BR>
river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern<BR>
New York, and also most of New Jersey and<BR>
Delaware. According to tribal tradition the<BR>
Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke,<BR>
Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican.<BR>
<BR>
When they made their first treaty with William<BR>
Penn in 1682 their council fire was at<BR>
Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown,<BR>
Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this<BR>
period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany<BR>
Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois<BR>
assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted<BR>
until about the opening of the French and Indian<BR>
War. Encroachments by the whites forced them<BR>
across the mountains; by 1742 the main body<BR>
located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other<BR>
points.<BR>
<BR>
By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by<BR>
invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form<BR>
settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time<BR>
the grater part of the Delawares, together with<BR>
the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and<BR>
Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum<BR>
and other streams of that region. Being now<BR>
within reach of the French and supported by the<BR>
western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to<BR>
cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty<BR>
of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most<BR>
determined opponents of the advancing whites.<BR>
<BR>
By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about<BR>
1770, they settled in the country between the<BR>
Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the<BR>
sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part<BR>
of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to<BR>
Missouri and later to Arkansas.<BR>
<BR>
By 1820 the two bands had found their way to<BR>
Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered<BR>
about 700.<BR>
<BR>
By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a<BR>
reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed<BR>
in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and<BR>
incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another<BR>
band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in<BR>
Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few<BR>
scattered remnants in the Untied States and<BR>
several hundred in Canada where they are known as<BR>
Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians.<BR>
<BR>
After many years of investigation it has been<BR>
narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's<BR>
mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of<BR>
the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign<BR>
found in a family Bible, and a letter written<BR>
that she had been carried by her mother from<BR>
eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in<BR>
Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from<BR>
her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen<BR>
Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and<BR>
1/2 Lenape heritage.<BR>
<BR>
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Thanks Wynn for the note,<BR>
The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin<BR>
language. The Delawares lived around<BR>
Westville(present day kansas City)<BR>
andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One<BR>
of their many stops during the migration west<BR>
from their homeland along the Delaware River<BR>
Valley at European contact. I'll check out <BR>
Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in<BR>
more detail concerning Delawares.<BR>
Thanks again,<BR>
Don Secondine<BR>
<BR>
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>In a post not long go someone asked about<BR>
referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade.<BR>
I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in<BR>
the search. I go a dozen or so responces<BR>
including Irvings quote:<BR>
><BR>
>. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a<BR>
Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen<BR>
of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain Bonneville.<BR>
><BR>
>Also, it is my belief for what that is worth<BR>
that many referances to Iroquois are really not<BR>
being tribe specific. The Iroquois were a large<BR>
presense and they were known to adopt other<BR>
tribes into the league so it would be easy to<BR>
refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S<BR>
Ogden when in fact there were more tribes<BR>
represented. I can not remember now if the<BR>
Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the<BR>
Iroquois but if they are that would make the link<BR>
even closer.<BR>
><BR>
>Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry.<BR>
><BR>
>Wynn Ormond<BR>
<BR>
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Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had<BR>
on one of his pages, when talking about a family<BR>
member that was of such breeding.<BR>
<BR>
Concho.<BR>
<BR>
The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection<BR>
<BR>
At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a<BR>
confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian<BR>
stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and<BR>
Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different<BR>
dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware<BR>
river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern<BR>
New York, and also most of New Jersey and<BR>
Delaware. According to tribal tradition the<BR>
Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke,<BR>
Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican.<BR>
<BR>
When they made their first treaty with William<BR>
Penn in 1682 their council fire was at<BR>
Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown,<BR>
Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this<BR>
period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany<BR>
Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois<BR>
assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted<BR>
until about the opening of the French and Indian<BR>
War. Encroachments by the whites forced them<BR>
across the mountains; by 1742 the main body<BR>
located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other<BR>
points.<BR>
<BR>
By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by<BR>
invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form<BR>
settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time<BR>
the grater part of the Delawares, together with<BR>
the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and<BR>
Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum<BR>
and other streams of that region. Being now<BR>
within reach of the French and supported by the<BR>
western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to<BR>
cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty<BR>
of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most<BR>
determined opponents of the advancing whites.<BR>
<BR>
By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about<BR>
1770, they settled in the country between the<BR>
Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the<BR>
sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part<BR>
of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to<BR>
Missouri and later to Arkansas.<BR>
<BR>
By 1820 the two bands had found their way to<BR>
Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered<BR>
about 700.<BR>
<BR>
By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a<BR>
reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed<BR>
in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and<BR>
incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another<BR>
band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in<BR>
Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few<BR>
scattered remnants in the Untied States and<BR>
several hundred in Canada where they are known as<BR>
Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians.<BR>
<BR>
After many years of investigation it has been<BR>
narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's<BR>
mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of<BR>
the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign<BR>
found in a family Bible, and a letter written<BR>
that she had been carried by her mother from<BR>
eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in<BR>
Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from<BR>
her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen<BR>
Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and<BR>
1/2 Lenape heritage.<BR>
<BR>
---- Begin Original Message ----<BR>
Thanks Wynn for the note,<BR>
The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin<BR>
language. The Delawares lived around<BR>
Westville(present day kansas City)<BR>
andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One<BR>
of their many stops during the migration west<BR>
from their homeland along the Delaware River<BR>
Valley at European contact. I'll check out <BR>
Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in<BR>
more detail concerning Delawares.<BR>
Thanks again,<BR>
Don Secondine<BR>
<BR>
--------------------<BR>
>In a post not long go someone asked about<BR>
referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade.<BR>
I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in<BR>
the search. I go a dozen or so responces<BR>
including Irvings quote:<BR>
><BR>
>. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a<BR>
Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen<BR>
of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain Bonneville.<BR>
><BR>
>Also, it is my belief for what that is worth<BR>
that many referances to Iroquois are really not<BR>
being tribe specific. The Iroquois were a large<BR>
presense and they were known to adopt other<BR>
tribes into the league so it would be easy to<BR>
refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S<BR>
Ogden when in fact there were more tribes<BR>
represented. I can not remember now if the<BR>
Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the<BR>
Iroquois but if they are that would make the link<BR>
even closer.<BR>
><BR>
>Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry.<BR>
><BR>
>Wynn Ormond<BR>
<BR>
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AMERICA<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=WorcesterRouT lang=0 size=3 FAMILY="SERIF">America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but
only partial news coverage was <BR>given recently to a remarkable editorial
broadcast from Toronto by Gordon <BR>Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text <BR>of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record: <BR><BR>"This Canadian thinks it is time to
speak up for the Americans as the most <BR>generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth. <BR>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser
extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of <BR>the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and <BR>forgave other billions in
debts. None of these countries is today paying even <BR>the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States. <BR><BR>When France was in danger
of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who <BR>propped it up, and their
reward was to be insulted and swindled on the <BR>streets of Paris. I was
there. I saw it. <BR><BR>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is
the United States that hurries in <BR>to <BR>help. This spring, 59 American
communities were threatened by tornadoes. <BR>Nobody helped. The
Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of <BR>dollars into damaged
countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing <BR>about the decadent,
warmongering Americans. <BR><BR>I'd like to see just one of those countries that
is gloating over the erosion <BR>of the United States dollar build its own
airplane. Does any other country in <BR>the <BR>world have a plane to equal the
Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or <BR>the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the <BR>International lines except Russia
fly American Planes? Why does no other <BR>land on earth even consider
putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk <BR>about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German <BR>technocracy, and you
get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, <BR>and you find men
on the moon, not once, but several times and safely home <BR>again. You talk
<BR>about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for
<BR>everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and
hounded. <BR>They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are
breaking <BR>Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
to spend <BR>here. <BR><BR>When the railways of France, Germany and India
were breaking down through <BR>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When
the Pennsylvania Railroad <BR>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned
them an old caboose. <BR>Both are still broke. <BR><BR>I can name you
5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other <BR>people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to <BR>the Americans in
trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during <BR>the San Francisco
earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one <BR>Canadian
who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. <BR><BR>They will come
out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they <BR>are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their <BR>present
troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. Stand proud, America."
<BR> <BR><BR>The writer of this e-mail says, "This is one of the best
editorials that I <BR>have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice
that one man realizes <BR>it. I only wish that the rest of the world would
realize it. We seem to be <BR>blamed for everything, and don't get a thank you
for the things we do. I <BR>would hope that each of you would send this to as
many people as you can and <BR>emphasize that they should send it to as many of
their friends until this <BR>letter is sent to every person on the web. I am
just a single American that <BR>has read this, I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ
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In a message dated 9/10/01 6:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gjme@negia.net
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> discharge it and wipe it then load it the next morning a fresh. Anybody
>
I keep a bird feather quill in the touch hole of my flintlocks when hunting
and only pull it to prime when I have something to shoot at. So if I have a
load in at the end of the day I just keep the touch hole plugged with the
feather and the pan clean and use it the next day. It has gone off every
time this way. You must remember that it is a loaded gun and the spark from
the flint can and often will ignite the charge if the touch hole is clear
even when you do not have the pan primed so know where and how you are
storing the gun. Frizzen open and cock down if you store it over night. The
use of a feather in the touch hole dates way back as a sign of a loaded
flinter.
I never store it loaded for the third day, not that it would not work, just
my fear that I might loose a deer due to a damp load. So after the second
day I clear the load and wipe it down and start fresh.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/10/01 6:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gjme@negia.net
<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">discharge it and wipe it then load it the next morning a fresh. Anybody
<BR>do different.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>I keep a bird feather quill in the touch hole of my flintlocks when hunting
<BR>and only pull it to prime when I have something to shoot at. So if I have a
<BR>load in at the end of the day I just keep the touch hole plugged with the
<BR>feather and the pan clean and use it the next day. It has gone off every
<BR>time this way. You must remember that it is a loaded gun and the spark from
<BR>the flint can and often will ignite the charge if the touch hole is clear
<BR>even when you do not have the pan primed so know where and how you are
<BR>storing the gun. Frizzen open and cock down if you store it over night. The
<BR>use of a feather in the touch hole dates way back as a sign of a loaded
<BR>flinter.
<BR>I never store it loaded for the third day, not that it would not work, just
<BR>my fear that I might loose a deer due to a damp load. So after the second
<BR>day I clear the load and wipe it down and start fresh.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.
<BR>
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Peggy, yeah...what Dennis said...whatever that was <s>...I trust him.
Thank you for your kind words. Thank your countrymen for me, an American.
Our people are strong, and resilient. We are survivors. Most of us are
'mixed breeds', our genes are a mix of the best from all over the world.
Some say we got what we deserved... they are right... we are receiving
friendship from the civilized world- nothing less than we deserve. God Bless
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3BA568E2.B5B16777@sourceoneinternet.com"><pre wrap="">How have the list members with horses familiarize their mounts and<br>packstock with gunfire?</pre>
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Wynn wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3BA568E2.B5B16777@sourceoneinternet.com"><pre wrap="">Now I hope enough time has passed for me to post something completely<br>unrelated to the events of the last week without appearing insensitive<br>or uncaring.</pre>
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Wynn... <br>
<br>
This list has always been a sort of therapy for me.... It allows me to turn
for a while from the cares of the world to a "quiet" spot in my mind. I
think it is good to talk of something else beside the tragedy of last week
for a bit.<br>
<br>
On horses and getting them used to gunfire... my concerns are with them just
getting used to gunfire so they won't head for parts unknown when a gun is
fired nearby. Wouldn't think about trying to shoot off of the back of one.
The shooting platform they provide is too unstable, and I've heard too many
stories of horses moving at the wrong time when the trigger was squeezed....
like raising their head into the muzzle of the gun... not pretty.<br>
<br>
I did go out on Friday and work a bit with them.... fed 'em dinner and then
sat and worked the trigger of my flinter... that went Ok... so I switched
to dropping the hammer on the frizzen.... that didn't go so well with the
big gelding, but the mare and the yearling stood for it. I finally got the
gelding to quit running everytime I dropped the hammer... so I tried a pinch
of powder in the pan. A very small pinch. The first time it went well,
no one even twitched... so I primed the pan normally and dropped the hammer
again. I guess the gelding wasn't looking the first time. I thought I was
going to have to replace about 30 feet of barbed wire fence, and spend the
rest of the day patching the big guy up. Fortunately, the fence held, and
the gelding switched course after bouncing off the fence.
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3BA568E2.B5B16777@sourceoneinternet.com"><pre wrap="">How have the list members with horses familiarize their mounts and<br>packstock with gunfire?</pre>
</blockquote>
Wynn wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3BA568E2.B5B16777@sourceoneinternet.com"><pre wrap="">Now I hope enough time has passed for me to post something completely<br>unrelated to the events of the last week without appearing insensitive<br>or uncaring.</pre>
</blockquote>
Wynn... <br>
<br>
This list has always been a sort of therapy for me.... It allows me to turn
for a while from the cares of the world to a "quiet" spot in my mind. I
think it is good to talk of something else beside the tragedy of last week
for a bit.<br>
<br>
On horses and getting them used to gunfire... my concerns are with them just
getting used to gunfire so they won't head for parts unknown when a gun is
fired nearby. Wouldn't think about trying to shoot off of the back of one.
The shooting platform they provide is too unstable, and I've heard too many
stories of horses moving at the wrong time when the trigger was squeezed....
like raising their head into the muzzle of the gun... not pretty.<br>
<br>
I did go out on Friday and work a bit with them.... fed 'em dinner and then
sat and worked the trigger of my flinter... that went Ok... so I switched
to dropping the hammer on the frizzen.... that didn't go so well with the
big gelding, but the mare and the yearling stood for it. I finally got the
gelding to quit running everytime I dropped the hammer... so I tried a pinch
of powder in the pan. A very small pinch. The first time it went well,
no one even twitched... so I primed the pan normally and dropped the hammer
again. I guess the gelding wasn't looking the first time. I thought I was
going to have to replace about 30 feet of barbed wire fence, and spend the
rest of the day patching the big guy up. Fortunately, the fence held, and
the gelding switched course after bouncing off the fence.
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I first heard of this find in 99. The story then was that a man who worked
at the Fort was taken fishing on the river and they went by a pipe sticking
out of the water and he recognized it as a smoke stack of an old boat. The
story goes on from there. Fort Towson has there own rendezvous in Feb. of
each year.
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<< THE LADY
By: Dana Holland
I wonder what she thought
As she stood there, strong and tall.
She couldn't turn away,
She was forced to watch it all.
Did she long to offer comfort
As Her country bled?
With her arm forever frozen
High above her head.
She could not shield her eyes
She could not hide her face
She just stared across the water
Keeping Freedom's Place
The smell of smoke and terror
Somehow reduced her size
So small within the harbor
But still we recognized.....
How dignified and beautiful
On a day so many died
I wonder what she thought,
And I know she must have cried.
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