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Dennis Miles wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> I don't recall taking such a oath.
<GG>
<p>>>You was drunk, with me, Larry...
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<P>I received a frock from these people just a few days ago. It is important that you request the "Traditional Guernsey" when ordering. The one I received is based off of early Frocks these people have in their posession. They are entirely hand knitted, and the wool is dyed naturally. Early frocks were Navy in color according to the man I spoke with. The quality is exceptional, I have worn mine around the house, but plan on giving a field test at the upcoming territorial.</P>
<P>When I say early, I mean approximately 1857, most of the surviving examples are from that year, as the garment gained military popularity. Is what I have an exact replica of the one Osborne Russel purchased??? I don't know; but I will say that it is as close as you will find today.<BR>They are hand knitted , the wool is from a source that has been around since the 16th century, and they originate in the isles of Guernsey, the same source of Osborne Russels.</P></DIV>
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In a message dated 1/3/01 2:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SpiritoftheWood@webtv.net (Micheal A Smith) writes:
> What I would like to know is what type of
> brush would be period correct (brass bristle or other)? >>
If you want to be period correct you can use tow (as in Tow Head). Tow is
the course, left over fibers, from carding flax to make linen. The tow is
also used as fire starter tinder so you should have that already. My tow
worm is a spiral of wire (looks like/is a large spring) that I twist on to
the end of my ram rod. I then twist it into a hank of tow and use it to
scrub the barrel clean. If you are cheap you can then rinse out the tow and
hang it from your pouch to dry to use again to clean or start a fire with.
<<are all these Ram Rod attachments Period
Correct or are they as seems to be a more modern invention and if so
what would be the alterative>>
Many of them are Modern Adaptations (mass produced/machine made) of tools
that were available from a gun smith to go with the gun he made for you.
There are vendors/gunsmiths (Mike Lee for instance) that have reproductions
available for sale to make your shooting pouch more authentic. But if you
have a tow worm, tow (or long dry grass), a scrape of rag to swab the barrel
dry, water to clean and oil to lub you can live without all the other
gadgets. Unless of course you are going by the old adage that he that dies
with the most toys wins. But remember the more you put in your bag the more
it weighs and if you were a trapper, a long hunter or a soldier that carried
everything he needed to survive how much extra weight did you want.
YHOS
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What I would like to know is what type of
<BR>brush would be period correct (brass bristle or other)? >></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>If you want to be period correct you can use tow (as in Tow Head). Tow is <BR>the course, left over fibers, from carding flax to make linen. The tow is <BR>also used as fire starter tinder so you should have that already. My tow <BR>worm is a spiral of wire (looks like/is a large spring) that I twist on to <BR>the end of my ram rod. I then twist it into a hank of tow and use it to <BR>scrub the barrel clean. If you are cheap you can then rinse out the tow and <BR>hang it from your pouch to dry to use again to clean or start a fire with.
<BR>
<BR><<are all these Ram Rod attachments Period
<BR>Correct or are they as seems to be a more modern invention and if so
<BR>what would be the alterative>>
<BR>
<BR>Many of them are Modern Adaptations (mass produced/machine made) of tools <BR>that were available from a gun smith to go with the gun he made for you. <BR>There are vendors/gunsmiths (Mike Lee for instance) that have reproductions <BR>available for sale to make your shooting pouch more authentic. But if you <BR>have a tow worm, tow (or long dry grass), a scrape of rag to swab the barrel <BR>dry, water to clean and oil to lub you can live without all the other <BR>gadgets. Unless of course you are going by the old adage that he that dies <BR>with the most toys wins. But remember the more you put in your bag the more <BR>it weighs and if you were a trapper, a long hunter or a soldier that carried <BR>everything he needed to survive how much extra weight did you want.
<BR>
<BR>YHOS
<BR>
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Sorry it took so long to get back with you. Brighton Feed number
is: (800) 237-0721 Times are Mon. -Fri. 8-5:30. Rex can be reached
at: (307) 837-2221.
Hope you find some good ones. In fact, I haven't seen mine for a
while, better see where they disappeared to.
mike.
my web pages
"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> Mike,
> Do you have any phone numbers or e-mail info?.
> YMOS
> Ole #718
> ----------
> >From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs?
> >Date: Tue, Jan 2, 2001, 6:58 AM
> >
>
> >Ole,
> > Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember
> >right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones
> >pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they
> >don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed
> >mine a few years ago.
> > mike.
> >
> >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> >
> >> Gentelmen & Ladies
> >> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English
> >> front and with a Western style Rowl?.
> >> YMOS
> >> Ole # 718
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Ole,
<br> Sorry it took so long to get back with you. Brighton
Feed number
<br>is: (800) 237-0721 Times are Mon. -Fri. 8-5:30. Rex can be reached
<br>at: (307) 837-2221.
<br> Hope you find some good ones. In fact, I haven't
seen mine for a
<br>while, better see where they disappeared to.
<br>
mike.
<p> <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~amm1616">my web pages</a>
<p>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Mike,
<br>Do you have any phone numbers or e-mail info?.
<br>YMOS
<br>Ole #718
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<br>>From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
<br>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
<br>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs?
<br>>Date: Tue, Jan 2, 2001, 6:58 AM
<br>>
<p>>Ole,
<br>> Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember
<br>>right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones
<br>>pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they
<br>>don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed
<br>>mine a few years ago.
<br>>
mike.
<br>>
<br>>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Gentelmen & Ladies
<br>>> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold?
(English
<br>>> front and with a Western style Rowl?.
<br>>> YMOS
<br>>> Ole # 718
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About three years ago, I inquired about Bent's Fort for the purpose of having
a reunion of the descendents of the Bent St Vrain families. Well......i was
initially told that NPS was not into this..however we have contacted the
Superintendent at Bents Fort (Mr. Hill) who said that the BENTs had a reunion
in '87 -- thus, plans are now in motion to have an all out July reunion of
the St Vrains, Bents, Maxwells, Carsons, well....EVERYONE who is related to
these folks. I understand there is a rendezvous in the area around this
time. Does anyone know any details? Does anybody want to come? Let me know!
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Hello the list,I just ran across these sites that look like they contain some good information. Between the two sites there are over 2,000,000 pages of primary source books, periodicals and other documents from 1800 to the very early 1900's. I haven't had time to check anything out thoroughly but a quick browse and search look pretty promising (just a search for "trappers" turned up references in 448 documents). You can view as individual pages or as whole documents, either as actual scanned pages or in transcribed text.Both sites are called The Making of America, http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/http://moa.umdlcumichl.edu/moa/
I remain y.m.h.s. Tim tjewell@home.com
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Hello the list,
I just ran across these sites that look like they contain some good information. Between the two sites there are over 2,000,000 pages of primary source books, periodicals and other documents from 1800 to the very early 1900's. I haven't had time to check anything out thoroughly but a quick browse and search look pretty promising (just a search for "trappers" turned up references in 448 documents). You can view as individual pages or as whole documents, either as actual scanned pages or in transcribed text.
Both sites are called The Making of America,
http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/
http://moa.umdlcumichl.edu/moa/<BR><BR>I remain y.m.h.s. Tim tjewell@home.com<p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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> about four half hitches and the other end to a handy sapling then pulled
> back on the gun and was able to get the ball right out without a great
> effort.
>
Great way to do this. When removing a stuck ball remember you should always
consider the gun loaded and not put you body directly in line of the barrel
that now has both a lead ball and a spear (red that ram rod). Guns can and
do go off when pulling stuck balls. If you can pour a lot of lube down the
barrel and into the nipple or touch hole to make sure the powder (there may
be a little even if you think you dry balled it) is not going to accidently
go off. Then pull the ball with your body (and everyone elses) out of the
line of fire.
Y.M.O.S.
C. T. Oakes
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">, tied a leather thong to the rod with
<BR>about four half hitches and the other end to a handy sapling then pulled
<BR>back on the gun and was able to get the ball right out without a great
<BR>effort.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Great way to do this. When removing a stuck ball remember you should always
<BR>consider the gun loaded and not put you body directly in line of the barrel
<BR>that now has both a lead ball and a spear (red that ram rod). Guns can and
<BR>do go off when pulling stuck balls. If you can pour a lot of lube down the
<BR>barrel and into the nipple or touch hole to make sure the powder (there may
<BR>be a little even if you think you dry balled it) is not going to accidently
<BR>go off. Then pull the ball with your body (and everyone elses) out of the
<BR>line of fire.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.
<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/01 9:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
poorboy@ieway.com writes:
> Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
> it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on. When you can
> scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
> cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.
>
I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from
the sharpest razor. Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp
cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with. I'm no expert on
sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives. But
if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it
used to be part of the training to beome a barber.
Y.H.O.S.
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<BR>poorboy@ieway.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
<BR>it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on. When you can
<BR>scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
<BR>cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from
<BR>the sharpest razor. Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp
<BR>cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with. I'm no expert on
<BR>sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives. But
<BR>if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it
<BR>used to be part of the training to beome a barber.
<BR>
<BR>Y.H.O.S.
<BR>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts
Date: 30 Jan 2001 09:24:36 EST
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> I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not
>
Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. My
wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history
teacher at the local High School. We too try (like all of you to make our
personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by
preaching. This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants
if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the
next several generations. And we have found that if you get an individual
hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our
example. I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all
the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should
they look at for the growth of their experiance. My wife never starts out
with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet." Instead we show
them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules
(we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our
period) to make life more livable. I keep plans for the rope bed that we use
to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its
noisy pump. But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change.
When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with
what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in
full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all
obnoxious, load mouth, bores. I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at
my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the
1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen
or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey. I let he go on and on and on and then
smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to
die for my country in my everyday work shirt.
A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them
document the items they use for their personna. The great thing about this
group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better
examples for those that come after.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not
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<BR>
<BR>Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
<BR>most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. My
<BR>wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history
<BR>teacher at the local High School. We too try (like all of you to make our
<BR>personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by
<BR>preaching. This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants
<BR>if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the
<BR>next several generations. And we have found that if you get an individual
<BR>hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our
<BR>example. I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all
<BR>the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should
<BR>they look at for the growth of their experiance. My wife never starts out
<BR>with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet." Instead we show
<BR>them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules
<BR>(we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our
<BR>period) to make life more livable. I keep plans for the rope bed that we use
<BR>to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its
<BR>noisy pump. But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change.
<BR>When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with
<BR>what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in
<BR>full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all
<BR>obnoxious, load mouth, bores. I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at
<BR>my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the
<BR>1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen
<BR>or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey. I let he go on and on and on and then
<BR>smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to
<BR>die for my country in my everyday work shirt.
<BR>
<BR>A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them
<BR>document the items they use for their personna. The great thing about this
<BR>group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better
<BR>examples for those that come after.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.
<BR>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: elastic suspenders in 1820's??
Date: 31 Jan 2001 13:43:15 EST
Haven't been following this thread, but Bent's Fort sells period correct cloth suspenders which I've worn for years. Might give them a call in the gift shop, last time I was there they still carried them.
Patrick Surrena
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