> Not only does Buck have a nice original flint side by side made by TWIGG in 16ga., he has a nice repro of a West Richards flint side by side in 20ga. I........
You talk to much, expected to see lots of stuff on list, everyone laying low for the long weekend ! Coming in from Utah last night traffic wasn't that bad going east or west. Let's keep our fingers crossed that everyone has a safe weekend.
Will see it tomorrow, thanks for the info. If you or anyone else is looking
for a good movie rental, you can check out "Grey Owl". Not much press on it.
Good story about a guide/ trapper. Tell the ladies that Pierce Brosnan is it.
And
my friend Denise says he is getting better with age. (take it for what it is
worth guys.)
mike.
my web pages
"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> Gentelmen & Ladies,
> Saw Patriot today, good flick. Better than braveheart, we will be up to our
> ear's in tricornered hats shortly. There were some problems but not that bad
> all in all. Was a good pro second amendment statement. I liked it.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
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Ole,
<br> Will see it tomorrow, thanks for the info. If you
or anyone else is looking
<br>for a good movie rental, you can check out "Grey Owl". Not much press
on it.
<br>Good story about a guide/ trapper. Tell the ladies that Pierce Brosnan
is it. And
<br>my friend Denise says he is getting better with age. (take it for what
it is worth guys.)
<p>
mike.
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<br>Saw Patriot today, good flick. Better than braveheart, we will be up
to our
<br>ear's in tricornered hats shortly. There were some problems but not
that bad
<br>all in all. Was a good pro second amendment statement. I liked it.
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I must fully agree! The only problem was with the wifalunit, she is 7 weeks with child and said it was a bit TOO intense for her. (She loves the good old shoot'm up lot's of action and blood normally). She was either crying or running off:) But after all was said and over she liked it also.
> > > Not only does Buck have a nice original flint side by side made by TWIGG in 16ga., he has a nice repro of a West Richards flint side by side in 20ga. I........
> I've all sorts of fine and fancy notions, potions, nostrums and lotions to cure the ills of mind body and soul.
>
> Geegaws, foofooraw and plunder to dazzle and delight even the jaded ladies of the night.
>
> What is your pleasure? I've got a pretty good birch-bark canoe up in the rafters, bunch of old original junk gathering dust.
>
> Amen on that safe holiday wish for all.
>
> John...
John,
The two side by side flinters that Concho mentioned are keepers for now (you know how that goes), just picked up another side by side flint, Russ Hamn locks, 20ga., walnut wood, pretty plain - no checkering, very good to excellent cond. - good working gun. Before considering anything would like to take it out and see what it will do, pattern, etc. I'll let you know what I decide.
Over the years I've had "real keepers", that where traded for other "really good keepers", and somehow they just slipped away - like horse tradin'.
> Just saw the movie with some historians I work with, most agreed it was better than most things that Hollywood puts out. Kind of a take off on "Revolution" story line with "Brave Heart" thrown in for the final scenes.
>
> According to some Mark Baker was removed from the set, but according to new issue of muzzleloader - Mark's story he had a good time. Frank House's name showed in the credit's but didn't see Mark's........
Had the same thought's and only saw Frank's name, never the less it was worth the fee.
Did you notice where Mel was wearing his mil.leg ties, half way up the thigh and by the time to made the run with the flag they where around his ankles. Bet that worked good in long grass and under brush. Surprised they didn't catch that after picking him up a few times.
> Do you feel sorry for me yet, come on Buck - really feel sorry for me and let me be first, I do need a double flinter, John just wants to play with his
Just a fast note on a product that we have all seen at the end of his never ending messages and seems nobody has commented on his products.
I am here to tell you that-that old grump John Kramer makes one hell of an item for wood, metal, or whatever bothers yee. I'm talking about his "Antique Improver", folks this is some GOOD STUFF.
The guy next door just got a 1850's target rifle, 1-1/2 across the flats, several types of sights - peep to open, perc. cap, 45 cal., overall condition is NRA good, but an Uncle tried to cleanup the 1/2 stock with about #2 steel wool, leaving a lot of scratches. He brought it over last night and all we could do was lightly go over the surface with #4 steel wool, removing the largest amount of damage.
Then I tried John's "Antique Improver", within an hour all damage had covered over, this gun looks 100% better, hell I even put a light coat on the metal. Knowing the new owner he'll never touch it again other than show vistors his wall hanger in the den.
I have found that this product goes a long ways, have applied it to over 30 weapons (black powder), because of this dry climate in Colorado. Works good on ivory handles of anything, put it on plunder boxes, even on the poles for my small wedge tent.
Give it a try, many of the craftsman on this "list" are starting to use it on their products and on original items as well. Gives a pleasing luster, plus protects the surface and puts a little moisture back into the item, good product for the restorer or the reproduction items you have at hand.
Enought said, not really history per the "list" nature, but if we don't take care of these valued items, they will be history.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]
Date: 10 Jul 2000 18:02:26 -0700
On Sun, 09 July 2000, "John Hunt" wrote:
> >have him tell you the story about his grandfather's brother that rode with Villa and then ended up in the movies, cool stuff. ********How about sharing it with the rest of us, sounds interesting.***************
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You asked for it, it's not this "lists" time period, but still early history for those on the list that do the "cowboys shoots", thanks for asking John. Those that are not interested Please delete.
George "Buck" Connor ( Leroy N. Conner, Sr.Æs older brother[my grand father]) was a bantam rooster of a man when standing next to his brother of 6Æ1ö, he served in the Spanish-American War, had ridden in the Buffalo Bill Wild West Shows and had been a Texas Ranger.
During the Mexican Revolution he was commissioned to go to Mexico and take movies of the battles. His final assignment was to cover the War as close as possible in Mexico near the end of the century, he was known to be somewhat of a hot head and had had several run ins with the local Federales. The Federales issued orders that anyone caught with a camera would be shot as a spy.
George sent the camera back to the States, instead
of returning, and known to like a good fight he ended up as a revolutionary riding with the ôarmy of peonsö, wearing the crossed bandoleers of his now famous friends and ex-bandit outlaws Pascual Orozco and Doroteo Arango (Pancho Villa).
Upon returning to the U.S. he rode in the Pawnee Bill Wild West Show, his ability and horsemanship landed him in the early years of the movie westerns, he was a stunt man and later a pardner of Buck Jones and Bob Steel in the "Saturday Afternoon Cliff Hangers" that thrilled the kids nation wide.
He died in 1947 on the streets of Yuma, AZ as a deputy sheriff, still carrying one of the old ColtÆs used in the Villa War, an 1873 Colt Peacemaker, now on display in a Yuma AZ museum. Found in his belongings was an 1862 Colt 36 cal. conversion rimfire and flap holster and belt that was also carried in Mexico, which we now have in a collection with several other items that where given to my father. I knew of some of his life but the family records didn't show a lot about him, other than he had problems with his father J.W. and had changed his last name to Connor.
A good article on him in the 1985 Annual Guns & Ammo issue, shows him with his friends in Mexico, armed to the teeth, titled "The Last of the Gunfighters".
Hey Hawk is this good facts or just hear say !!!
SEE LETTERS AND REPLY BELOW:
Date 07-12-97
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I was at one of the local video stores in our area, looking for information on ôBuck Jonesö movies
(# 170 your number), mainly oneÆs that had a co-star by the name of ôGeorge Buck Connorö.
After checking with several stores a young lady gave me your address and suggested writing you
of what I was looking for, as your catalog showed only the main stars and not co-stars.
ôGeorge Buck Connorö, was a camera man before the turn of the century covering the Villa war in
Mexico, when word was put out to kill all camera men and reporters George sent the camera and other material home, joined the revolt until able to cross over into the US. He did many movies as a stuntman before teaming up with Buck Jones.
As you have guessed by now we are related, my Grand FatherÆs brother, George changed the spelling of our name, thinking family wonÆt know of his fighting with Villa.
Any help in finding any of the movies he was in would be great.
Barry ôBuckö Conner
Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:24:40 +0000 e-mail:
Dear Mr. Conner:
Let me first apologize for the delay in responding to your inquiry about your Grand FatherÆs brother, Buck / George ConnorÆs movies. You were given an out-of-date address; the correct one follows at the end of this message.
I did some additional research and found a filmography for George. We did not have him listed in our database since the information we receive from suppliers is often very limited, particularly with older titles. I will be adding him to all the titles we list as currently available on video, after a little research I
found he has an interesting career in the movie industry, plus his role with Villa in earlier years.
Some of his filmography includes:
The Westerner (1940)
West of Santa Fe (1939)
The Law Rides (1936)
Alias John Law (1935)
No Man's Land (1935)
The Last Round-Up (1934)
The Thundering Herd (1934)
Desert Vengeance (1931)
The Dawn Trail (1930)
Trails of Peril (1930)
Grit Wins (1929)
Hell's Heroes (1929)
The Crimson Canyon (1928)
The Fearless Rider (1928)
The Phantom Flyer (1928)
The Mojave Kid (1927)
Jaws of Steel (1927)
The Fighting Three (1927)
The Bronco Buster (1927)
Hands Off (1927)
Hidden Loot (1925)
Biff Bang Buddy (1924)
Fighting Fury (1924)
The Back Trail (1924)
The Duke of Chimney Butte (1921)
Action (1921)
The Phantom Riders (1918)
The contiues, but this will give you an idea of how much in demand your great uncle was, very common for thoses with his horseman skills and ability with a gun.
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]]
Date: 10 Jul 2000 20:23:05 -0700
On Mon, 10 July 2000, "Addison Miller" wrote:
> Thanks for sharing that with us, Buck... I always love a good story, especially when it is family history.
>
> Ad Miller
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Thanks Ad,
I really liked this post before we got [OFF TOPIC], the LaSalle venture is very interesting, got to talk to some of the gentlemen that made a trek/canoe trip following their path in 1988 or 1989 at Ft. deChartre, ILL, very interesting. Anybody got more information on the original or follow ups on this !!!
About the close of the year 1714, M. Du Tissenet [11], a young Canadian,arrived at the post of Mobile to enter the service of M. Crozat. He brought with him specimens of lead from the mines in the neighborhood of Kaskaskia, which had been given to him by his countrymen who resided at that place.
These specimens he tool to M. De la Motte, and on being assayed they were found to contain some silver.
He afterward took charge of a grant of land, where he remained until M. Crozat was succeeded by Law,and M. De Boisbriant was appointed Governor of the Illinois district of Louisiana. In October, 1718, M.........
> Sorry to have to say this, but the list seems to have evaporated into almost nothingness.
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Frank,
Probably has for some minds, right Dennis.
There's nothing wrong with this "list", the only reason for a few {OFF TOPIC] items like of late is do to nothing going on, everyone is on vacation, camps, etc.
It seems now that a few have returned and now the list will get back to the original format and time frame, with out a few of the [OFF TOPIC] items, it would make one think the damn thing was broke.
Just my opinion ( that and $5 will get you a cup of
> coffee at starbucks) hardtack
>
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Hardtack,
I read a government report on the price of coffee (you mentioning $5 At starbucks), in 1831 in St. Louis - gentlemen could expect to pay $1.05 for a good cup of Columbine coffee at some of the fashionable dinning places. Wonder how that worked out (money wise per pound) at the rendezvous for some of the stuff that was passed off to the trade.
Buy Folger's and save the difference for equipage.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly
Date: 12 Jul 2000 19:18:34 -0700
On Wed, 12 July 2000, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> to Hawk, Buck, Lanney for sharing some of your very interesting ancestors stories.
God the Great Spirit Father and His Only Begotten Son have definitely seen in their wisdom and foreknowledge to pass many of your forefathers noble DNA traits down to ye. Have high hopes that ye will continue to fare well.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John,
We thank you for thoughts, but we where not bragging per say, just sharing. Everyone on this list has family with interesting history, that's why we are on this list - to share with each other.
I personally feel the greatest historian and a very good friend that most have met in our live time is Charles E. Hanson, Jr. What would the fur trade be today without his work and never ending ability to share with all. Let's not forget Marie (Charleys Mrs.), she was the backbone of the Museum of the Fur Trade and supported her husband in every venture.
I think as a whole, we (the "list") do pretty good at staying on the subjects at hand, some think otherwise, but overall Dean should be happy with what he started.
In the spirit of the Hanson's, your families histories and others keep the channels open and share.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly
Date: 12 Jul 2000 19:28:14 -0700
On Wed, 12 July 2000, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> I personally feel the greatest historian and a very good friend that most have met in our live [mis-spelled should have been "life"] time is Charles E. Hanson, Jr......
.....in our live [life]......
sorry, having trouble with cramps in my hands again and hitting the wrong keys, for taking part in something you enjoy - didn't think it would have to hurt !!! Getting old, rode hard and put away wet I figure.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher
Date: 13 Jul 2000 05:05:56 -0700
On Wed, 12 July 2000, "Roger Lahti" wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:48 PM
> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher
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>
> > Roger,
> >
> > My grandmother Wilson was from the neck of the woods under discussion.
> She was very proud of being a Daughter of the American Republic [DAR] and her Cherokee heritage as well.
>
> Walt,
>
> And well she might be! Thanks for straightening me out, I always thought it was "Daughers of the American Revolution" (DAR). I stand informed.
> Capt......
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That's interesting I have several letters and receipts from the "Daughers of the American Revolution" for several grave yards that they control back east in PA and NY states. If you use many of these sites for family members to be buried at you have to pay a fee to the "Daughers of the American Revolution", if that site is listed as one of their sites that they control.
> Been digging around a wee bit. Finally got ahold of a copy of "Man Made
> Mobile" out of the musty archives of the University of Idaho. Pretty
> amazing that out of 1.5 million books, we only have one on saddles.
>
LEE, YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK WITH "WESTERN HORSEMAN" MAGAZINE, THE ORIGINAL OWNER/EDITOR - DICK SPENCE HAD DONE SEVERAL VERY GOOD ARTICLES ON SADDLES THROUGH THE AGES. DICK OWNED SEVERAL REV WAR OFFICERS SADDLES AND POSSIBLY AN F&I WAR SADDLE, ALONG WITH OTHERS YOU HAVE MENTIONED TOO. HE HAD SEVERAL OF THEM ON LOAN TO THE PARKS SERVICE FOR EXAMPLES WHEN THEY WHERE OUTFITTING BENT'S FORT BACK AROUND 1973 OR 1974, JUST BEFORE THEIR GRAND OPENING. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF SOME OF THE ARTICLES BY CONTACTING THEM IN COLO.SPRING, CO.
>
> Hopefully, someone can point the way towards better information than what I have.
Not sure about prevalent, but seeing as steel is harder than
brass, that would be my first choice. I'm using a steel .535
mold which works just fine but mine doesn't have a lot of
miles on it yet. One could argue that any metal who's melting
temperature is higher than lead would suffice but I'd
still go for the stronger one as it will tolerate more abuse.
Just a 2 cent opinion,
Tom
Todd wrote:
> I'd like to pick up a bag-style mould in .490 calibre for my Pennsylvania. Which was more prevalent, brass or steel, and from a purely pragmatic stance, which one holds up better under use? I've got Rapine's catlog, and I've also heard tell that Dixie makes a good kentucky-style brass mould. Does anyone have any experiences or preferences either way?
>
> YMOS: Todd
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> Was talking to Buck and he mentioned Pablo has been under the weather, hope your healing up - nobody needs to end up or close to going to the hospital.
> Concho.
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Paul "Pablo" Jones of Houston, Texas was put into the hospital with problems in both lungs at 2:30 PM MDT. Those that know him, will agree it has to be serious to get him into such a place.
Let's all give him our best wishes for a fast recovery.
Later.
Buck Conner
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Subject: MtMan-List: Paul Jones/Pablo Report 07/28/2000
Date: 28 Jul 2000 18:47:27 -0700
On Fri, 28 July 2000, hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
>
> buck
> wish pablo our best will talk to the maker for him and hope for the best for him and the family
>
> "HAWK"
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Pablo Report 07/28/2000
I talked to Pablo tonight, flat on his back with a tube
feeding him, I could hear voices in the background -
possibility a Doctor talking to Paul's wife. Pablo goes on about being "poked" and "prodded", lots of needles, testing, exrays. All this as he coughs and wheezes telling his tale of suffering - so much so that he never heard me yelling "give him exlax, give him an enema" no response from Pablo - he keeps talking and coughing. Once more "give him exlax, give him an enema", nothing - finally I yell "give him a freekin' enema". Pablo stops and says "What", I reply
"never mind".
I told him, (he finally runs out of air) that Mr. Kramer had very nice and kind words about the fishing kit Pablo made. Paul replies "hearing that from John will make be heal faster than any of these medicines they're feeding me, tell him I said THANK YOU".
I still feel that if they would have taken by advise "give him exlax, give him an enema", he would be fine by morning. No charge for the medical advise Pablo.
Later.
Buck Conner
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> and we call you friend, and your making fun of a sick man on his back, and I understand Dennis has already put his claim in for Pablo's plunder, you two are really something.......
> Concho.
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Hey Concho,
Remember in '80 at La Veta Nationals when Charley Hanson fell asleep under that tree near the sweat lodge and I took his mocs and we divided up his other gear, too bad Dennis wasn't there. Well, he looked gone!
Later.
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Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Pablo Report 07/28/2000]]
Date: 29 Jul 2000 04:44:31 -0700
On Sat, 29 July 2000, Concho Smith wrote:
> Then Mr. Hanson put a notice on the message board about a vote to "string you up" .....
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If you play, sometimes you have to pay, right.
Has anyone got a URL for a coppersmith other than Goose Bay, got that one. Looking for items different than what Peter has - F&I War to Fur Trade mainly.
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I have been very pleased with the copper work of Westminster Forge
(Tom Brown) who can be reached (keep trying) at 860-822-8473.
His pieces are very well constructed, they are reasonably priced, and
he's really good to deal with. I presume them to be accurate, although
I am not knowledgeable enough to judge them with any certainty. He is
not online that I know of. There's another fellow named Larry
Shaw who also does great work and offers his wares at several
Rondezvous's but I don't have any contact information until Alafia.
Tom
> Has anyone got a URL for a coppersmith other than Goose Bay, got that one. Looking for items different than what Peter has - F&I War to Fur Trade mainly.
>
> Later.
> Buck Conner
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> Remember in '80 at La Veta Nationals when Charley Hanson fell asleep under that tree near the sweat lodge and I took his mocs and we divided up his other gear, too bad Dennis wasn't there. Well, he looked gone!
>
> Later.
> Buck Conner
Kinda reminds me of my weddin' Memorial Weekend of '99. Our good friend Chargin' Buffler was supposed to be comin' in to camp on Saturday since he had to work late on Friday night. He sent all of his gear with
his trappin' partner Doc and was supposed to catch the train from Chicago to Battle Creek on Saturday since he'd been caught drivin' around with his good buddy Capain Morgan and wasn't allowed to drive his truck
for a while. Saturday cames, we goes to he train station and no Buffler. As a matter of fact, there was no sign of him or no word from him all weekend so, come tear down time on Monday, ol' Doc divies up his gear
amongst his brother's, we all figurin' he's gone under. About a month later he comes draggin' into a camp wearin' nothin but a breech cloth and it took him near the whole weekend to barter back all his gear with
his services. I do believe that to this day there are still pink beads on the fringe of his fine brain tanned shirt that my new wife put there when she wore it as a buckskin skirt. I guess it will teach him not
to miss a brother's weddin'...G
We do have fun
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Thanks to each and all who have called, e-mailed, and written.
I am now back at home, and although the pneumonia is not yet fully contained in either lung, it was thought that 36 hours of I.V. antibiotics will be sufficient to make me get well (together with numerous pills, and threats as to future treatment options).
Besides, every three days they change the I.V. site, and after watching the nice nurse from another country unsuccessfully gouge four holes in my arms in an vain attempt to insert the first I.V., while cursing in what I later learned was Tagalong, that my veins were "frightened," I decided to take my chances with
my Wife. God Bless and Keep all Doctors, Nurses and Nurse Aides, and etc., but remember that one must always retain a sense of humor when in their cluthes.
So for now, Dennis will not get all of my gear and trade goods.
