> Yea, and I've got a nice, black-edged, round hole in one of my canvas bags, as well as a scorched spot on one of my blankets from said hot rock. It did stay warm all night, but it _could_ have gotten a whole lot warmer real quick!
>
> Tom
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my vote goes for the backpack or rucksack. It distributes the load more evenly over both shoulders than a haversack over only one shoulder, it doesn't swing around in the way when stooping over, and I can tie things like bedrools and extra clothing to it more easily. I like to tie mine to a tree when in camp to make it easier to get into and to keep it off the ground. There's my 2 cents.
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I forgot to mention that my pack is 14" wide x 17" tall x
4" deep. This is my second one, first was even bigger.
Made it with a heavy hemp canvas as I felt it was more authentic than cotton canvas. Bottom of the pack is completely reinforced with a piece of leather extending an inch up the front and back. Strap attachments are reinforced on the top with a piece of leather on the inside of the pack. After construction I waterproofed it with a mixture of boiled linseed oil and powdered paint in a burnt sienna color. The bag is slightly stiff, but completely impervious to rain and snow. I made sure the linseed oil was neutralized before using by boiling it with some limestone added, then testing it with ph testing strips.
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Musings From Absalom (Charlie Smith from
Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:27:09 -0800
Lanney,
About 12 years ago several of us where hunting in the modern season with flintlocks here in Colorado, we're on our place 300 plus acres with access to 10,000 next door.
A mulie is working his way up the side of this little canyon, we all see him, one shoots and it goes under him at 125 yards, then the next friend shoots same results another long shot (this is very unusal for these two as they normally won't shoot any further than 70-75 yards). They're reloading and pointing at the deer, he a good one like we all have seen in the magazines - 36-38 inches between the points.
I'm ready and ease off a 600 round ball at what I thought was about 60 yards, turns out he so damn big he was about 85 yards out and the ball falls short. By then the two friends are yelling their guts out - "he coming up to you, get ready Buck".
I'm loading and look at the edge of the bank in front of me and all I see are these big horns coming, I'm so excited forget to pull the ramrod and let her fly. The ramrod goes between the horns in a whipping motion, hitting both sides of the rack. Friends are laughting, I think I broke my nose, and the buck is shaking his head like "what the hell was that".
This story makes the local paper, thanks to "Concho" and "Turtle". I received several calls about what happened to the deer, he finally died about 3 years later of old age, the neighbor found his rack and bones that spring. That's one that got away and we all where happy to have met him, even though it was breif.
> > momentarily struck by temporary amnesia (an inherant Geezer trait) and while all snuggled down on the bench you touch off a round with your 7/16ths wiping stick in the bore....I am here to tell you that all hell breaks loose and it feels like something ...........
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Thank you on the catalog, "orsa salt" is the salt that Jed Smith wrote about seeing the Indians boiling near the Great Salt Lake in his travels across those bad lands, now Utah. It's a salt much like the sea salt in texture, similier taste, but pinkish - if you will in color. Makes for interesting talk at an encampment if your west of the Mississippi.
Buck
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> Ho Buck!
>
> I just got you new "Clark & Sons Mercantile" catalog.......outstanding! I
> reckon I need about one of everything.
> I think I've figured out where "sea salt" comes from but kinda at a loss for
> "orsa salt".... I might need some of that too!
>
> Ymos,
>
> Steve
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I've been reading and researching -- and I came across a reference to women in "Fur Traders Trappers and Mountain Men of the Upper Missouri," edited by LeRoy R. Hafen.
The trader referenced was David Dawson Mitchell. The reference cited Mitchell married one of the "notorious" Deschamp sisters at Fort Union, then in 1840 he legally married Martha Eliza Berry in 1861.
The note of a "notorious" Deschamp sister perked my interest. Does anyone know of these (wild women) sisters?
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel
Date: 12 Nov 1999 06:11:34 -0800
On Thu, 11 November 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
(the Outdoor Life Network called OLN) and thought what about the few - the forgotten - the historical reenactors with their period accurate muzzleloaders? when was the last time any of us remembers a muzzleloading shoot (not modern inline but replica antique) broadcast? - 1970's? with the old off-the-air The American Sportsman?
>
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Jon,
That was the American Sportsman Shoot in 1978, held in Jackson Hole WY, at the time of John Wayne's death. The shooters where the back-ground actors from the movie being made at that time - titled "Wind River" later changed to "The Mountain Men". American Sportsman gave two thousand dollars for prize money for the (6) different shooting events. Hi-light of the event was Chuch Heston (now NRA Pres.) missing his target and having to eat it, a raw egg.
It was only a year or so later that the American Sportsman show was cancelled.
I saw a blackpowder shotgun match on one of the cable shows with Robert Stack, Bob Conrad and several others like Jed Brown - shooting prec. doubles - Stack made everyone look sick. Of course he should being a 50's gold metal winner in shotgun and also shot in the 80's in blackpowder rifle comp. in Japan. That was in the early 1980's of anything shown nationally, have seen local blackpowder matches here in the Rockies in the last few years. Just my two cents worth.
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> Hey, I ate breakfast with Chuck that day in Jackson
> Hole. A lot of fine AMM brothers{and sisters} were
> there. I didn't realize it was that long ago. Thanks
> for the reminder. DOG
>
Dog,
Do you remember how Chuck acted when I told him he had to eat that raw egg; pretty good sport about it. When he walked to the target frame he put his hand to his mouth like he was going to clear his throat. What he did was put a round ball in his mouth. When he ate the raw egg he claimed to the camera that I had cheated and gave him a hard egg - holding the ball up with egg dripping off it for everyone to see. Everyone got a kick out of him, fun experience for most of us, even with somethings wrong.
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> All this talk about tipi's and canvas - hide differences reminds me of seeing a
> pattern for a tipi and thinking about how the native people got the hides sewed
> (sown?) together to make the cover. I've seen the one in the museum beneath the
> arch in St. Louis, I don't know who made it or where it came from, but it is
> amazing to think of going from buffalo on the hoof to a tipi.
> Not wishing to whip up any controversy, just sitting here amazed at the work
> that would go into a project such as that.
>
> Monte Holder
At the making of the TV Series "Centennial", the prop people setup an 18' hide tipi for the rendezvous scene, it took a crew to get this done. At first we thought it must have collected moisture making it so heavy, figuring it was brought in from Hollywood. But found it had been purchased just a short period before setup from a gentleman in southern Colorado, as dry as it is here that shot that idea.
I saw a short series on the nomads that live in Sibera, this family group used hide tipi type structures, single hides that are layered (not sewn together) started at the bottom and layed up in the same manner as our tiled roof's are today. This made them easy to handle in setting up the tipi, as well as moving to the next site as they traveled from one area to another. When a hide started to show some wear, it was used on the floor, everything was used until gone.
Canvas would be a great improvement for tribes moving around during the mid to late 1800's, think of the reduction in weight in setup or moving. It's amazing that the poles didn't break with a good snow laying on the hides.
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I would like help from the list with my latest project.
I am writing a non-fiction book for young adults (interest level grade 4 and up) on the American fur trade. As an educator I know first-hand that most history books for young adults skip from Lewis and Clark to the Oregon Trail. Textbooks skip this important time in our nation's history and, with the exception of Bridger and maybe Beckworth, there aren't biographies on the shelves.
Part of the book will include biographies on 7-10 trappers.
I am interested in list member's opinions on which mountaineers should be included. Please contact me off the list with your ideas
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> Goes to show you that smithing is a black art, practiced by those who have gone over to the Dark Side. All others should stay away, lest you endanger your immortal soul.... and your sanity.
> Lanney
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Subject: MtMan-List: Thanksgiving with Lewis & Clark
Date: 25 Nov 1999 06:53:45 -0800
Thanksgiving
Remember that this was not a Holiday as we know it now, that didnÆt happen until the next century and then 50 years before becoming a National Holiday.
On November 24 the captains called everyone together. They had come 4,162 miles since leaving the Mississippi, Clark estimated. But now a decision was needed: where to spend the winter. Lewis and Clark explained the options.
Staying near the ocean meant they might yet meet a ship, get provisions, and perhaps send a man or two back to Washington by sea with word of their achievement. And being near ocean water, they could also make salt, which they would need for the return trip.
They could remain on the north side of the ColumbiaÆs mouth, through the local Chinook Indians charged what Clark considered extravagant prices for everything and there did not appear to be an abundance of game.
They could move to the south side (in what is now Oregon). Some Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing.
Or they could head back upriver - perhaps halfway back toward the Nez Perce - where they could count on drier weather.
Once again the captains broke with protocol in reaching an important decision. As military commanders - especially as commanders now operating in territory beyond the borders of the United States - Lewis and Clark could simply have imposed their own choice.
Instead, the Corps of Discovery would face this issue the same way it had already dealt with the grueling portage of the Great Falls, the deflating disappointment of Lemhi Pass, the biting cold and near starvation of the Bitterroot Mountains, and the rain-soaked gales of the lower Columbia. They would face it together, as a collection of diverse individuals who had molded themselves into a cohesive unit that was stronger than the sum of its particular parts.
E pluribus unum.
One by one, the name of each member of the Corps of Discovery was called out. And each oneÆs preference was recorded.
ClarkÆs slave York, was allowed to vote - nearly sixty years before slaves in the rest of America would be emancipated and enfranchised.
Sacagawea, the Indian woman, voted too - more than a century before either women or Indains were granted the full rights of citizenship.
In the end, a majority decided to cross to the south side of the Columbia. There, together they would spend the winter with all of North America between themselves and their countrymen.
Capt. Lewis Branded a tree with his name, Date, etc..... The party all Cut the first letters of their names on different trees.... I marked my name, the Day & year on an alder tree.... William Clark. By Land from the U. States in 1804 & 1805.
WILLIAM CLARK
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Not as fancy a November 24th as we have come to be accustomed to, with large amounts of food, family and left overs, but to them working as a unit and making that crossing to be with the Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing they had a wonderful day to be thankfull for.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Subject: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery [as requested]
Date: 27 Nov 1999 05:22:44 -0800
Here's the information that Concho and several others have requested on "Holidays with the Corp of Discovery". File this away for reference as the greatest traveling experience our Nation as seen, only walking on the moon would equal it.
Concho has left the building; thank goodness, in route to PA. and should make good time - if someone doesn't talk to him on refueling.
At this wonerful time of the year, remember those of the past and present, loved ones and friends, God Bless them all. We've given you a little history of what was going on with the Corp of Discovery under the direction of Lewis & Clark.
On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and almost above freezing. Fort Mandan was deemed officially complete, and the captains handed out dried apples, pepper, and extra flour for the next day's meal and celebration.
Just before Christmas dawn, the captains were awakened by the men, all if them, Clark noted, "merrily disposed."
December 25th, 1804.
We ushed [in] the morning with a discharge of the Swivvel [gun], and one round of Small arms of all the party.
Then another from the Swivvel. Then Capt. Clark presented a glass of brandy to each man of the party. We hoisted the american flag, and each man had another Glass of brandy.
The men prepared one of the rooms and commenced dancing. At 10 o'c [lock] we had another Glass of brandy, at one a gun was fired as a Signal for diner. Half past two another gun was fired to assemble at the dance, and So we kept it up in a jov[ia]l manner untill eight o'c[lock] at night, all without the company of the female Seck [sex].
Joseph Whitehouse
The mandans were asked not to visit the fort on Christmas because, the captains explained, it was a "great medicine" day for the expedition. But on New Year's, the men celebrated with their Indian hosts.
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New YearÆs Day
January 1st, 1806.
Our repast of this day, tho' better than that of Cristmass, consisted principally in the anticipation of the 1st day of January 1807, when in the bosom of our friends we hope to participate in the mirth and hilarity of the day, and when with the zest given by the recollection of the present, we shall completely, both mentally and corporally, enjoy the repast which the hand of civilization has prepared for us. Meriwether Lewis.
Men were put to work making candles, boiling ocean water for salt, preserving elk meat in a smokehouse, and sewing clothes from elk hides for the return trip home.
Clark labored over a new map that would replace eastern speculation with the hard facts of western geography.
Lewis wrote page after page of descriptions of animals and plants unknown to science-from the giant sitka spruce tree to the evergreen huckleberry; from ring-necked ducks and whistling swans to small smelt-the candlefish-that the men roasted and ate whole.
In the next life may we experience such an adventure, and may God see us fit enough to handle the chore.
For a new year it seems things are well with our early travelers, fed and full of thoughts of returning home.
May you and yourÆs have a good New Year.
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Easter
Checking the different sources listed below, no entries where made on this date, but we know that they where with at Fort Mandan waiting for the ice to clear from the rivers.
Invoice of articles from Fort Mandan to the President:
First box, skins of the male and female antelope, with their skeletons;.... horns and ears of the black tail, or mule deer;.... skeletons of small animals, or burrowing wolf of the prairies, the skin having been lost by accident.
Second box, four buffalo robes and an ear of Mandan corn.
Third box, skins of male and female antelope, with skeletons.
Fourth box, specimens of earths, salts and minerals; specimens of plants;..... one tin box containing insects.
In a large trunk: one buffalo robe painted by a Mandan man representing a battle which was fought eight years [ago], by the Sioux and [Arikaras] against the Mandans and [Hidatsas].
One cage, containing four living magpies.
One cage, containing a living burrowing squirrel of the prairies.
One cage, containing one living hen of the prairies.
One large pair of elkÆs horns, connected by the frontal bone.
We know that by the end of March the ice was no longer a problem on the rivers and Lewis had sent a small detachment back to St. Louis with the big keelboat, loaded with materials for Jefferson: maps, lengthy reports about populations and customs of the Indian tribes in the Louisiana Territory and the prospects for trade, and box after box of specimens they had collected from the newest region of the now growing U. States.
April ?. At this moment, every individual of the party are in good health and excellent sperits; zealously attached to the enterprise, and anxious to proceed; not a whisper of discontent or murmur is to be heard among them; but all in unison act with the most perfect harmoney. With such men I have every thing to hope, and but little to fear.
MERIWETHER LEWIS
On April 7, 1805, the Corps of Discovery headed west once more...........
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Memorial Day
By the way being Memorial Day 1999, Let's take a look at what our forefather's were up to on the Upper Missouri 1805.
Lewis's journal of May 20, 1805, decribes a "handsome river" which the captains named Sacagawea, or Bird Woman's River.
May 20th. The large creek which we passed..we Call Blowing fly Creek, from the emence quantities of those insects which geather on our meat in such nombers that we are obledged to brush them off what we eate.
John Ordway.
May 30th. Many circumstances indicate our near approach to a country whos climate differs considerably from that in which we have been for many months. [Clark names the Judith River in honor of a young girl back in Virginia he hoped to one day be his wife] The air of the open country is asstonishingly dry as well as pure. I found by several expeeriments that a table spoon of water exposed to the air in a saucer would evaporate in 36 hours...My inkstand so frequently becoming dry put me on this experiment. I also observed the well seasoned case of my sextant shrunk considerably and the joints opened.
Meriwether Lewis.
May 31st. We passed some very curious cliffs and rocky peaks, in a long range. Some of them 200 feet high and not more than eigth fett thick. They seem as if built by the hand of man, and are so numerous that they appear like the ruins of an acinet city.
Patrick Gass.
May 31st. In maney places...we observe on either Side of the river extraodanary walls of a black Semented Stone which appear to be regularly placed one Stone on the other..[T]hose walls Commence at the waters edge & in Some places meet at right angles.
William Clark.
May 31st. The hills and river Cliffs which we passed today exhibit a most romantic appearance...The bluffs of the river rise to the hight of from 2 to 300 feet and in most places nearly perpendicular; they are formed of remarkable white sandstone...
The water in the course of time in decending from those hills and plains on either side of the river has trickled down the soft sand clifts and woarn it into a thousand grotesque figures, which with the help of a little immagination...are made to represnt eligant ranges of lofty freestone buildings, having their parapets well stocked with statuary...
Meriwether Lewis.
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Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now.
If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do", if you don't canoe (best way to see it) there are float trips available. Be sure to ask the US Forest Service for use of their "Guide Book" while making the trip, it really adds to the river with history and pictures, like Bodimer's, etc. painted in the early 1800's, and the landscape hasn't changed that much. Believe me you'll remember this water venture for years, period or not take a camera and a note pad - you'll make good use of both.
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Independence Day
Fourth of July
Being Independence Day 1999, Let's take a look at what our forefather's were up to on the Upper Missouri 1805. With the portage behind them, the Corps of Discovery celebrated their second Fourth of July of the journey with a meal of beans, suet dumplings, and heaping portions of buffalo meat, a "very comfortable dinner," Lewis wrote.
We had no just cause to covet the sumptuous feasts of our countrymen on this day......... . We have conceived our party sufficiently small and therefore have concluded not to dispatch a canoe with a part of the men to St. Louis as we had intended early in the spring. We fear also that such a measure might possibly discourage those who would be in such case remain, and might possibly hazzard the fate of the expedition................
MERIWETHER LEWIS
July 4th. A beautiful, clear, pleasant warm morning....It being the 4th of Independence, we drank the last of our Spirits.... The fiddle [was] put in order, and the party amused themselves dancing all the evening until about 10 oClock in a jovi[a]l manner.
JOHN ORDWAY
Their supply of whiskey was running low, but the captains let the men finish it off as "they continued their mirth with songs and festive jokes and were extremely merry until late at night".
They were was behind schedule. And off in the distance, they could now see the mountains that awaited them.
The mountains to the N.W. and West of us are still entirely covered [with snow], are white and glitter with the reflection of the sun. I do not believe that the clouds that pervale at this season of the year reach the summits of those lofty mountains; and if they do the probability is that they deposit snow only, for there has been no p[er]ceptable diminution of the snow which they contain since we first saw them. I have thought it probable that these mountains migth have derived their appellation of SHINEING MOUNTAINS from their glittering appearance when the sun shines in certain directions on the snow which covers them.
WILLIAM CLARK
I wonder how many of the brothers of the AMM camped in the Yellowstone area this year have seen these SHINEING MOUNTAINS as did William Clark, Meriwether Lewis and their group did a few years before !
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At this time of the year, remember those of the past and present, loved ones and friends, God Bless them all. We've given you a little history of what was going on with the Corp of Discovery under the direction of Lewis & Clark.
Thanksgiving
Remember that this was not a Holiday as we know it now, that didnÆt happen until the next century and then 50 years before becoming a National Holiday.
On November 24 the captains called everyone together. They had come 4,162 miles since leaving the Mississippi, Clark estimated. But now a decision was needed: where to spend the winter. Lewis and Clark explained the options.
Staying near the ocean meant they might yet meet a ship, get provisions, and perhaps send a man or two back to Washington by sea with word of their achievement. And being near ocean water, they could also make salt, which they would need for the return trip.
They could remain on the north side of the ColumbiaÆs mouth, through the local Chinook I ndians charged what Clark considered extravagant prices for everything and there did not appear to be an abundance of game.
They could move to the south side (in what is now Oregon). Some Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing.
Or they could head back upriver - perhaps halfway back toward the Nez Perce - where they could count on drier weather.
Once again the captains broke with protocol in reaching an important decision. As military commanders - especially as commanders now operating in territory beyond the borders of the United States - Lewis and Clark could simply have imposed their own choice.
Instead, the Corps of Discovery would face this issue the same way it had already dealt with the grueling portage of the Great Falls, the deflating disappointment of Lemhi Pass, the biting cold and near starvation of the Bitterroot Mountains, and the rain-soaked gales of the lower Columbia. They would face it together, as a collection of diverse individuals who had molded themselves into a cohesive unit that was stronger than the sum of its particular parts.
E pluribus unum.
One by one, the name of each member of the Corps of Discovery was called out. And each oneÆs preference was recorded.
ClarkÆs slave York, was allowed to vote - nearly sixty years before slaves in the rest of America would be emancipated and enfranchised.
Sacagawea, the Indian woman, voted too - more than a century before either women or Indians were granted the full rights of citizenship.
In the end, a majority decided to cross to the south side of the Columbia. There, together they would spend the winter with all of North America between themselves and their countrymen.
Capt. Lewis Branded a tree with his name, Date, etc..... The party all Cut the first letters of their names on different trees.... I marked my name, the Day & year on an alder tree.... William Clark. By Land from the U. States in 1804 & 1805.
WILLIAM CLARK
Not as fancy a November 24th as we have come to be accustomed to, with large amounts of food, family and left overs, but to them working as a unit and making that crossing to be with the Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing they had a wonderful day to be thankfull for.
"LEWIS & CLARK / The Journey of the Corps of Discovery" is the main source where this information was gotten from, Dayton Duncan & Ken Burns have done a wonderful piece of work on these adventures of Lewis & Clark and the Corps of Discovery members. A must have book for anyone interested in the travels of this group and the mapping of America.
Buck Conner
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GREAT RESOURCES:
Original Journals of the Lewis and Clark Expedition 1804 - 1806., Reuben Gold Thwaites, Bernard De Voto, Arno Press, Inc.
Journals of the Lewis and Clark, Bernard De Voto, Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston.
LEWIS & CLARK / The Journey of the Corps of Discovery, Dayton Duncan & Ken Burns. Alfred A. Knopf, Publisher, New York.
Lewis & Clark: Pioneering Naturalists, Paul Russell Cutright, University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln and London, Bison Books.
Only One Man Died - The Medical Aspects of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, Eldon G. Chuinard, M.D., Ye Galleon Press, Fairfield, Washington.
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Subject: MtMan-List: Reenacement/tourism vs. history
Date: 28 Nov 1999 16:10:38 -0500
Sunday after Thanksgiving
Is it just me? Or do others out there believe Buck Conner should get a stipend for being on this list?
It was coincidental that his post regarding Lewis and Clark coincided with my trip this weekend to the site where Corps of Discovery expedition successfully reached the Pacific Ocean. As I stood there, being rained on, blown and beaten around I was reminded again of the difference between being a student of history and a part of history.
The first time this really dawned on me was three years ago when I was headed to Riverton, Wyoming to attend the Rendezvous of 1838 reenacement. I had been "teaching" history for years, researching, emoting the drama of the time, but my daughter and I were in Kansas on part of the Oregon Trail and a tornado blew into town. We were in a motel and were evacuated to the first floor, secured under mattresses, cars being blown around in the parking lot and the acoustical ceiling tiles clacking above us. It occurred to me that I had been playing dress up. As I pulled my daughter into my body I thought of how the families must have felt out there on the trail, huddling under wagons fearing for their lives.
Yesterday I had that feeling again. Student of history vs. history. As I watched the storm blow in, wasn't hard to imagine frequent scene of shipwrecks washing up on the beaches. The entrance to the Columbia River became known as the graveyard of the Pacific for the hundreds of shipwrecks dashed against the rocks and scattered across the beaches of the Long Beach Peninsula. To-date more than 2,000 shipwrecks and the estimated loss of 1,500 lives have been recorded.
What courage these men must have had to face the mouth of the Columbia River, which makes the Misssissippi River look like a babbling brook. Men lost their lives (and still do) in steel-hulled ships, with the assistance of lighthouses, and the Corps of Discovery paddled across?
No wonder we're driven to read the text, congregate on this list with others of similar interests, and return time and time again to sit in the silver smoke . . . trying to imagine what it was really like and trying to imagine if we would have the courage to paddle across . . . pack in . . . read the sign, and make the sacrifice.
Salute.
Laura Glise
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reenacement/tourism vs. history
Date: 28 Nov 1999 14:00:09 -0800
On Sun, 28 November 1999, "Laura Glise" wrote:
> Sunday after Thanksgiving
>
> Is it just me? Or do others out there believe Buck Conner should get a stipend for being on this list?
>
> It was coincidental that his post regarding Lewis and Clark coincided with my trip this weekend to the site where Corps of Discovery expedition successfully reached the Pacific Ocean. As I stood there, being rained on, blown and beaten around I was reminded again of the difference between being a student of history and a part of history.
>
> The first time this really dawned on me was three years ago when I was headed to Riverton, Wyoming to attend the Rendezvous of 1838 reenacement.............
> What courage these men must have had to face the mouth of the Columbia River, which makes the Misssissippi River look like a babbling brook. Men lost their lives (and still do) in steel-hulled ships, with the assistance of lighthouses, and the Corps of Discovery paddled across?
>
> No wonder we're driven to read the text, congregate on this list with others of similar interests, and return time and time again to sit in the silver smoke . . . trying to imagine what it was really like and trying to imagine if we would have the courage to paddle across . . . pack in . . . read the sign, and make the sacrifice.
>
> Salute.
>
> Laura Glise
Laura,
At first I wasn't sure of the word "stipend", it's been along time since hearing the term: "a contribution, a regular payment or a salary". An interesting thought, but my time and enjoyment on this list it seeing others experience what you have just said. "trying to imagine what it was really like and trying to imagine if we would have the courage to paddle across . . . pack in . . . read the sign, and make the sacrifice". Thank you for the kind remark.
This is what "living history" is, experiencing as close as possible the life styles, the period and the equipage used in that given period that we each research. That's what brought about my personal page, as with many others on this list and other lists. If we share our found documented information with each other look at the time we all save and how much is gained.
Have had many letters, e-mails, etc. about our horse, water and foot travel that we have done in 40 plus years and I can only say that I have been blessed with good people - in traveling, camps and help with research to make these trips possible. Team work is a big factor now and it was for our forefathers, don't go off blindly into the unknown, do as much research as possible as a team, assign every member a task and make sure each does what is needed, you'll have a successful adventure doing this about 90% of the time.
Later,
Buck Conner
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