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hats-digest          Thursday, July 27 2000          Volume 02 : Number 206




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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:42:38 -0500
From: Christopher Gegax <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: the beginnings

As a dedicated fan of Duran Duran for most of the 80's, I'd like to know which
songs you are referring to that "talk about scoring girls and what to do with
such a plethera [sic] of ass?"

The reason I started to like Duran Duran, and subsequently Pet Shop Boys, was
their sound and songwriting ability. Duran Duran's Simon Le Bon wrote
imaginative lyrics in which, quite frankly, I didn't know what the hell he was
talking about sometime:

     "The Union of the Snake is on the climb. It's going to race, it's
     going to break, it's going to move up to the border line."

Huh? Okay. Anyway, that's part of the reason I like them.

Similarly, the sound and songwriting are why I was drawn to Men WIthout Hats:

     "We walked around in circles singing: whoa-ho! I said, we could walk
     around for practically forever singing: whoa-ho!"

Umm... okay. The lyrics have a light, playful quality. You can read in to it
what you want, or not.

As far as nailing down who Men Without Hats appeals to, I'm male, caucasion, 29.

PS: What's the password to get in to Holdman's cover project site again?

[e-mail] writes:

> Well, I think the reason I like the Hats so much is because they are not a
> "chick" band...they never really played the Depeche mode or Duran Duran
> cheese songs that talk about scoring girls and what to do with such a
> plethera of ass.



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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:47:37 -0500
From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: the beginnings

Speaking of other 80s bands, is anyone else here into Devo? I've always
kinda associated Devo with MWH. They've both got a lot of synth in their
sound, they're both from the same time period, they're both mostly know
for one song, etc.

I've got the Warner Brothers Greatest Hits and Greatest Misses CDs by
Devo, and I've been listening to them A LOT lately - good stuff! I'm
thinking about looking for some other CDs - can anyone recommend
anything? (I'm always up for CDR trading, too, FWIW.) Anyway, talk to
you guys and girls later!
- --=20
Kevin Lentz (ICQ 10812890)

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:08:53 +0100
From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: the beginnings

>
>Huh? Okay. Anyway, that's part of the reason I like them.
>
>Similarly, the sound and songwriting are why I was drawn to Men WIthout
Hats:
>
>     "We walked around in circles singing: whoa-ho! I said, we could walk
>     around for practically forever singing: whoa-ho!"
>
>Umm... okay. The lyrics have a light, playful quality. You can read in to
it
>what you want, or not.
>

That line always reminds of the scene in Midnight Express when the
prisoners, well, er, walk around in circles for practically forever
muttering to themselves.

Alan



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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:12:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: the beginnings

> That line always reminds of the scene in Midnight Express when the
> prisoners, well, er, walk around in circles for practically forever
> muttering to themselves.

Wasn't their tempo somewhat slower though?  :)

(It's been awhile since I watched it, so...)

Myke


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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:59:50 +1000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: the beginnings

Kevin Lentz wrote:

> Speaking of other 80s bands, is anyone else here into Devo? AH! A fellow
> Devotee!
> >
> > I could write volumes about these guys.
> > I have every album, every 12" mix (remember them?) and virtually every si=
>
> > ngle.
> >
> > Fav albums:
> >
> > Freedom of Choice
> > OH NO! It's DEVO
> > Shout
> > Duty Now for the Future
> > Now it Can be Told (Live 1988)
> >
> > Check out the Mark Mothersbaugh solo albums too:
> >
> > Muzik for Insomniacs (Vol. 1 & 2) [Get these from the Mutato web site]
> > Joyeux Mutato (Get this from the Rhino web site)
> >
> > Did you that Mark is the Rug Rats music man?
> >
> > I got them to sign my Energy Dome at the Australian Livid Festival a few
> > years
> > a go. No, it's not for sale...
> >
> > If you want anymore info, just yell.
> >
> >




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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:15:39 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: the beginnings

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Alan Pendleton wrote:

> That line always reminds of the scene in Midnight Express when the
> prisoners, well, er, walk around in circles for practically forever
> muttering to themselves.
>
> Alan
>

    SCARY, MAN!
    Eeewwww! :)

      - Johan



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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:34:40 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Devo

Yup, I can certainly see the MWH / Spudboys connection. It *is* the mixture
of electronics and guitars... the general critical view of Devo is that they
started great and then went into terminal decline. I think that's a little
harsh, but certainly the later albums are, uh, less successful.

If you really like the lovely warm Rhythm Of Youth synth sounds (not that
*anything* actually sounds like ROY :-)), I can strongly recommend New
Traditionalists (check out the Beautiful World video if you get the chance -
fabulous) and Oh No! It's Devo! I've never really seen a good word written
about either of those albums, but they're packed with three minute
electronic classics. (Anybody agree??!!) We're talking around 1982 / 83
here.

While we're on the subject of "does anyone else around here like...?", how
about New Musik? Similar era, and again they made records that just don't
sound like anybody else.

To return to the subject of MWH, perhaps this has already been discussed
before, but does anybody know anything about the recording / production /
equipment of the records, especially ROY? From what I can pick up thru the
archives, Marc Durand is kind of held as being the bad guy (what's *that*
all about?), but ROY is tremendously well-produced. Unlike, I gotta say,
most of the other albums (PGTW aside). 21st Century, f'rinstance, has got
some really good songs but the production is shocking.

What does anyone else think? Or have I just entered the list while at the
same time shooting myself dramatically in the foot?

Mike


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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:34:40 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Devo

Yup, I can certainly see the MWH / Spudboys connection. It *is* the mixture
of electronics and guitars... the general critical view of Devo is that they
started great and then went into terminal decline. I think that's a little
harsh, but certainly the later albums are, uh, less successful.

If you really like the lovely warm Rhythm Of Youth synth sounds (not that
*anything* actually sounds like ROY :-)), I can strongly recommend New
Traditionalists (check out the Beautiful World video if you get the chance -
fabulous) and Oh No! It's Devo! I've never really seen a good word written
about either of those albums, but they're packed with three minute
electronic classics. (Anybody agree??!!) We're talking around 1982 / 83
here.

While we're on the subject of "does anyone else around here like...?", how
about New Musik? Similar era, and again they made records that just don't
sound like anybody else.

To return to the subject of MWH, perhaps this has already been discussed
before, but does anybody know anything about the recording / production /
equipment of the records, especially ROY? From what I can pick up thru the
archives, Marc Durand is kind of held as being the bad guy (what's *that*
all about?), but ROY is tremendously well-produced. Unlike, I gotta say,
most of the other albums (PGTW aside). 21st Century, f'rinstance, has got
some really good songs but the production is shocking.

What does anyone else think? Or have I just entered the list while at the
same time shooting myself dramatically in the foot?

Mike


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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH / Devo / Etc.

I always liked Tears For Fears because they were neither primarily electronic
nor guitar-driven as well.  In fact, the MWH and TFF mailing lists are the only
two music-related groups to which I still subscribe after having joined so many
when I first became 'net-active in 1996.

"New Traditionalists" was always my favourite Devo album in the 1980s.
I never had it until 1986 but once I did I played it in my car *all the time*
along with Gary Numan + Tubeway Army, "Replicas" and his "Telekon" album.

Toni Basil recorded "You Gotta Problem" with Devo back in '82 which is a revved-up
remake of "Pity You" from "New Traditionalists".  I never heard it until I met
a girl at work in 1991 with tapes of KROQ in LA recorded as far back as '82.
I have to admit, though, her version is far superior to the Devo original.

Maybe it's the production of "21st Century" that has always made me feel that
it was a "lesser" MWH album.  That's a good point you make regarding it.

While the production of PGTW is indeed top notch, 2nd to none!

Myke



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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:00:09 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Production

> I think it's interesting how Stefan now seems to be trying to take the
> credit for the production of most of the MWH albums - even though around
> the time of PGTW, Zeus B Held was one of the top dogs in the commercial
> production world. Naturally I have no idea what actually went on in the
> studio, but it seems to me to be pretty darn likely that Held might have
> had a better idea of what he was doing...


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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Zeus B Held!

> it seems to me to be pretty darn likely that Held might have
> had a better idea of what he was doing...

Yup.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 00 22:09:31 +0000
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH / Devo / Etc.

>along with Gary Numan + Tubeway Army, "Replicas" and his "Telekon" album.
well, the best Numan album production-wise (imo) is Dance - the quality
of mixing on this one is amazing...  it wasnt available on CD for quite a
while so as i only had a vinyl copy it wasnt played in my household as
much as the others, but as soon as i bought the 'clean' CD version all my
old favourites came thru.  in recent years Numan has been producing his
own stuff, and i must admit that Exile (and the remixed version) is his
best work for over a decade.

on another front, the most startling discovery for me in the audio world
was hearing Alison Moyet's first album after she left Yazoo - it was the
first vinyl album i'd heard that was digital thru to the cutting process
- - with the 'DDA' logo on the cover.  the clarity blew me away...

anyways, back to my own 'DDD' epics...  Alaska Highway vs the world!!!

}:-)



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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:39:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH / Devo / Etc.

> the best Numan album production-wise (imo) is Dance
> it wasnt available on CD for quite a while so as i only had a
> vinyl copy it wasnt played in my household as much as the others, but
> as soon as i bought the 'clean' CD version all my old favourites
> came thru.

Wow!  I've often told the *exact same story*!!!  What a surprise that
I'm not the only one in the world with this identical experience!
"Cry, The Clock Said", "Slowcar To China", and "Crash" I LOVE to death!

> i must admit that Exile (and the remixed version) is his
> best work for over a decade.

Wow!  I've often said the *exact same thing*!!!  What a surprise that
I'm not the only one in the world with this identical opinion!
Until you posted this, I was the only one I knew who'd even heard "Exile"!

> - with the 'DDA' logo on the cover.  the clarity blew me away...

I don't know if it was DDA but there was an LP a friend of mine had back
in 1988 which was copyright 1984 that had stunning clarity such as that
which blew me away as well... Torch Song featuring William Orbit, "Exhibit A".
I think that's the right title anyway.  There were two Torch Song LPs he had
and that's the only one the title of which I can remember right now.

Myke


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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:49:01 -0400
From: "Kerry Gordon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH's Is Featured Artist

Today at newworldcds.com

Kerry



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