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hats-digest        Saturday, September 19 1998        Volume 02 : Number 091




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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:58:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Hats logo

<<Furthermore, he goes on to tell us that a
group of racist Jamaicans are now using the hats logo (or a reasonable
facsimile) to ban Rastafarians from certain establishments. Rastafarians are
the
Jamaican residents with African ancestry.  That use of the hats logo was the
final straw and Ivan will never use the symbol again, end of discussion.>>

Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.

Angie


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:26:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats logo

In a message dated 9/15/98 7:20:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
>  and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.
>
>  Angie


Well DONE!

;-)


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:25:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) (logo)

>  It really sounds like Ivan strongly believes that the whole logo thing was
a big mistake   >  on his part and wishes he never used it in the first place.

Then how does that explain the usage of that very same logo spinning 'round
the turntable for "Open Your Eyes"?

Hmmm?

Chew on THAT a while, hatters!  ;-)


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:52:18 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats logo

> <<Furthermore, he goes on to tell us that a
> group of racist Jamaicans are now using the hats logo (or a reasonable
> facsimile) to ban Rastafarians from certain establishments. Rastafarians are
> the
> Jamaican residents with African ancestry.  That use of the hats logo was the
> final straw and Ivan will never use the symbol again, end of discussion.>>
>
> Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
> and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.
>
> Angie
>

It's hard for me to see any real connection either!
But Ivan did see that connection and as a result it became a reason for dropping
the logo.
He explains this clearly on his "21st Century" CD promo.
It's a bit weird but who knows, maybe there's some method to his madness.

Senz







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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:24:41 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) (logo)

> >  It really sounds like Ivan strongly believes that the
> >  whole logo thing was a big mistake on his part and wishes he never used it
> > in
> >  the first place.
>
> Then how does that explain the usage of that very same logo spinning 'round
> the turntable for "Open Your Eyes"?
>
> Hmmm?
>
> Chew on THAT a while, hatters!  ;-)
>

Well, (and I'm only suggesting a possibility here) that situation seems like Ivan
is more or less eluding to the logo and not really associating himself with it.
It's like he might be saying, "there's pop music playing at this party", or "I'm
the guy who used to be MWH".  I don't think he's saying "this logo represents me
or my band", though.  Or, maybe he's just trying to make us diehard hatters feel
good!  Or hey, better yet, maybe he's changed his mind!!!  (again)

Senz






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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:47:01 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) update on boots

I have been getting lots of mail asking if cds 6,7,9 are available yet.

I do alot of freelance work outside of my normal job and things have been real
busy. I hope to start working on the artwork this weekend and get it printed
sometime next week.

I will post a message when the cds are available.

- -Richard


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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats page URL change

For anyone that links to my quickly-getting-out-of-date MWH webpage,
the URL has changed

FROM: http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/

  TO: http://home.att.net/~indoors/menwithouthats/

Updates & upgrades soon..

Jim
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:07:15 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Front cover of 21st Century CD promo

I've added the cover of the 21st Century CD promo to my website with the kind
permission from those individuals involved in making CD#9.  Thanks guys.
It has been reduced in size to 600x600 for your viewing pleasure!!!  :-)

Senz

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Gallery of Cover Art . . .

http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm




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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:40:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Non-hats related

Hey list-

I had luck with my cactus world news request, so I am going to try this again.
I am loking for a copy (cd preferably of):

Love and Rockets- 4 song EP that had God and Mr. Smith, Inside the Outside,
etc.

Real Life - don't know the name of the album, but had Catch me Im Falling and
Send me an Angel.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:13:53 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Useless Stats on MWH mp3 web page

I just looked at my logs for my web site and here are some stats.
These stats are taken from the past 3 months for my mwh page at
www.holdman.com/mwh

Total data downloaded - 17.5 gig
Total Hits to the site - 163928
Total amount of people that have visted the site - 7130
Most popular Album downloaded - CD2_freeways_live
  (Downloaded 1050 times)
2nd most popular Album downloaded - CD1_Freeways
  (Download 1010 times)

Average amount of data that gets downloaded per day - 292 meg
Average amount of people that visit the site per day - 80

As you can see the site is getting hit really hard. It also comes as no surprise
that the most popular song downloaded is the safety dance. Every CD that has
a version of the safety dance is downloaded the most.

The version of the safety dance on CD2 seems to be the most popular version
being downloaded by 1311 different people in the past 90 days.

You can also access these songs via ftp at ftp.holdman.com using mwh for the
username and password. I have not looked at the logs for these yet but I am
sure it adds at least another 100megs

It seems like the webpage is being spread across the web. Recently I visted a
web site (http://www.audioforge.net/  - click on the rare and live links) that has
a list of several sites with hard to find stuff. I saw a link for Men without hats
and clicked on it and it took me to my site. :)

It the future I might not be able to handle the load of downloads when it starts
to increase. Is there anybody out there that has a fast connection and lots of
disk space (about 300 megs). This way we could mirror my site and help
distribute the load. your server would have to be able to serve about 200-300
megs per day. If you are intrested in becoming a mirror site please send me a
e-mail.

- -Richard


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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:11:51 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) RE: Useless Stats on MWH mp3 web page

Thank you again, Richard, for making the MP3's available to all of us!
Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to be able mirror your site --
sorry!

I did want to pass on this, though:

You wrote:
> You can also access these songs via ftp at ftp.holdman.com
> using mwh for the username and password.

If you want to get there from a web browser, use the following URL:

ftp://mwh:[e-mail]/

I just tested it out, and it worked for me.

That's all!

Steve
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:32:30 -0400
From: "Darryl Andrews" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pls. put me on list

Men Without Hats fans seeks same.

Thanks,
Darryl & Pete



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH GUITAR TABLATURE!!!!

ATTENTION ALL HATTERS!!
The Men Without Hats Guitar Chord Archive is finally available!
It's taken a long time but now it's here and I encourage everyone to check
it out.  It's not just for guitarists but all fans and musicians.
Now you can pick up your guitar, piano, ukelele or whatever and play just
like Ivan, Stefan and Colin.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/music/

Since I tend to be a bit of a lurker I'll take this chance to re-introduce
my self to the list.
My name is Christopher Frey, or Chris or "C.Frey" or just Frey.
I'm a senior at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, MI.  I grew up in
the east side suburbs of Detroit, have played guitar for about 8 years and
love MWH.  I'm majoring in History but have applied to U-M's School of
Information to do archives, digital manuscript preservation, or something
like that.
I think Ivan is a brilliant writer, poet, singer, musician and hope this
project will spread the awesome sounds of MWH.  (btw, finally got the
Spell and love it!  "Chain reaction" is amazing.  a lot of it sounds like
the so-called "early synth era" of MWH!  you know before the days of 21st
Century and Sideways which made me realize "hey, we could TAB this..."
;-) )
Anyway, please check it out,  and if you have comments, please reply to me
directly as I get the sometimes slow digest version of the list.

HATLESSLY,
C.Frey

PS My apologies to Charlie Garbowski if he's still here.  Better late than
never, huh?!

Chris Frey
<[e-mail]>
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/



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