ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/hats/archive/v02.n050

Internet Message Format | 1998-04-05 | 40KB

From: [e-mail] (hats-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: hats-digest V2 #50
Reply-To: hats-digest
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk
X-No-Archive: yes


hats-digest           Sunday, April 5 1998           Volume 02 : Number 050




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:17 -0800
From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell

I just heard the mp3's on the Spell tour and I was most dipleased.  Not with
the qualiity of the mp3, but the quality of Ivan!  I haven't heard any Spell
songs till now, and I am not surprised that most of you don't like it.  WWW
is absolutely horrible!  Sperbadgirls has got some problems too.  I though
at least Open Your Eyes would be great, but I was disappointed.  I had heard
Tox's clip, and it played the only good part to the whole song.  I must now
say no matter who is listening - Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is nothing
without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.


Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
http://menwohats.home.ml.org
Security, everyone feels better with...





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:14:49 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question

>I definitly remember seeing a legit Freeways CD in store. It was at the Sam
>The Record Man in Montreal in the late 80's. I remember because I holded it in
>my hand for a long time (at that time I was not buying stuff I already had on
>vinyl) before choosing to buy something else new instead (I know, big mistake).


Wow, there was???  All I remember was seeing it on vinyl and cassette and
wondering what it was because it only had 5 songs and one of them was on one
side.

Actually, this brings another "Freeways" question.  I noticed the picture of
Ivan inside mine is different from the picture in the bootleg.  Could it be
the US picture was different from the Canadian one?  Or maybe that was from
the cassette?

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele

883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3603

Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7994



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:17:11 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

Kajjia Gorian a =E9crit:
>=20
> I just heard the mp3's on the Spell tour and I was most dipleased.  Not=
 with
> the qualiity of the mp3, but the quality of Ivan!  I haven't heard any =
Spell
> songs till now, and I am not surprised that most of you don't like it.

Please, let's not start throwing stones to quickly, Aaron has not heard "=
The
Spell" yet. But tell me my friend, where have you read that most of us do=
n't
like it???? I hope you are wrong (is he? please comments on this hatters!=
)

> WWW is absolutely horrible!  Sperbadgirls has got some problems too. I =
though
> at least Open Your Eyes would be great, but I was disappointed.  I had =
heard
> Tox's clip, and it played the only good part to the whole song.  I must=
 now
> say no matter who is listening - Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is not=
hing
> without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.

Just a fact here: Ivan IS Men Without Hats. So what you say is meaningles=
s.
Now I would like to know if there is something wrong with that CD8. Is th=
e
performance bad? What might have made Aaron react in this fashion? Believ=
e me
Aaron, Ivan is far from being "nothing", with or without hats.

Take care my friend

Claude

(maybe we should buy Aaron a copy of the Spell, after all he IS the "baby=
" of
the list. We have to take care of our little brat ;o)


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:22:53 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question

Daniele Rossi a =E9crit:
>=20
> Actually, this brings another "Freeways" question.  I noticed the pictu=
re of
> Ivan inside mine is different from the picture in the bootleg.  Could i=
t be
> the US picture was different from the Canadian one?  Or maybe that was =
from
> the cassette?

My bootleg has no picture of Ivan :-(
The original picture for that release is a black and white "portrait" of =
Ivan
wearing a V-neck knitted wool shirt, credited to Yves Nantel.

Take care

Claude


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:02:01 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

Well coming to Aarons defense, I've been a Hats fan since 83 and I
could'nt care less for The Spell myself. There's just something about
90's electronics that is so characterless. Pull out the old 80's
machines and start making those quirky noises again, and I don't mean
mixing them with modern technology either.

Scott


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:58:11 -0700
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

> Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is nothing
> without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.

Aaron,  you have made a common mistake about Ivan. He is not exactly a band
member in some rock group.  Ivan created MWH and then basically hired his
brothers (and a few others) to help perform his creations.  MWH was more of a
vehicle to present his art.  It may be, that lately he sees some limits in what
MWH can do for his work and has opted to simply use his name.  (arguably, a more
honest approach).I like The Spell. It is a well rounded album and shows that
Ivan has matured as an artist.  Let's not forget how different PGTW was from
MWH's previous releases. He is always exploring music and in a progressive
fashion. I haven't heard him live yet but I'll try tomorrow.  Maybe this concert
was a poor rendition of the album?  In any case, reserve your judgement on the
solo Ivan for when you hear the studio album. And that...is my opinion!!  :-)

Senz







# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:15:20 -0700
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

>  I haven't heard him live yet but I'll try tomorrow.

A clarification!  I haven't heard him live since Ivan went solo!  I've certainly
seen him live as MWH!!!

That's all,

Senz




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:31:46 -0800
From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) PLANES TRAINS AND AUTOMOBILES

Hatters-
First of all, somebody put in a quote form PT and A a while back and I
finally figured out that was the movie.  Secondly, I LIKE Ivans solo album.
I listen to it all the time.  I also downloaded some MP3's of the live show,
and I don't think it is that bad at all.  Well, that's my 2 cents.
- -Eric

Eric Soderblom
[e-mail]
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:01:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

In response to Kajia's comment about Ivan's the spell being pretty awful:
I'd like to voice that I think the Spell is super!  Of course, it's really
not anything like a MWH album, but then again, it's not MWH.  I guess the
electronic/industrial types like the spell better than others???  I would
just have to say... give the spell another chance.  The more you listen,
the more you may like.

Nathan

p.s.  -  Is it true that most do not like the spell?  Let me know.




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:32:19 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Men Without Hats!

Nathan Shireman a =E9crit:
>=20
> Hey Claude,
>=20
> What's the good news?  I don't have access to WWW.

The good news was: april 1st! I'll have to think of something else for ne=
xt
year I guess.

Take care

Claude


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:47:04 -0500
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: The Spell

Hey, fellow Hatters!

Let's not jump all over Aaron, I kind of know where he's coming from.
Whereas I like 'The Spell', I happen to love the MWH material.  I'm sure a
lot of people on the list would agree.  Aaron just happens to hate the new
stuff.

I think the fact of the matter, though, is that Ivan is desperately trying
to escape being equated with MWH.  To some significant extent, he's trying
to forge ahead with his new stuff, and he doesn't want to look back.
That's why his CD is pretty different than what we expected it to be at
first, and that's probably why he has (for now!) refused to give us a
concert as MWH.  But that's his prerogative.  Maybe the guy got bored with
MWH (although I personally cannot grasp the reason for this - there was
genius in that work.)  Maybe every second phrase from people around him at
the time was 'MWH', and he got sick of hearing that.  Maybe he doesn't
think he was evolving as a musical artist, and wants to travel different,
more exciting avenues.  Who knows?

When I went to see Ivan last 'summer'(with Tom, Dave, Laura, Trena, and
Claude from the list), I remember the DJ-guy asking the audience who was
headlining that night right before Ivan came on stage.  What I heard was
"Men Without Hats!"  Not one person said "Ivan!"  I think he's finding that
he cannot easily separate himself from MWH, and that bugs him.  Sooner or
later, I think he's going to have to go back to it if he wishes to attain
the level of success of his MWH days...but only if he thinks he'll enjoy
the experience.

Anybody have any thoughts...?

Vince



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:59:50 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) Ivan the individual

If Ivan's big problem is always being refered to as MWH then he would
need to get over it. He's never gonna have another huge chart hit so he
will always be known as MWH. Things could be a lot worse. People could
not refer to him as anything. I refer to him as the guy responsible for
creating 2 of my all time favorite albums, R.O.Y and Folk 3. That's
better than "Ivan who?" He could be in the position as one of my other
favorites, Toyah, with a ton of albums spanning from 79 to the present,
a handful of UK top 20 singles and just about everything is out of print
evrywhere in the world, some never even making it to CD. At least Ivan's
stuff is in print somewhere so he should count that blessing.


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:17:08 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) picture

>My bootleg has no picture of Ivan :-(
>The original picture for that release is a black and white "portrait" of Ivan
>wearing a V-neck knitted wool shirt, credited to Yves Nantel.


That is the picture I am talking about.  The one I have loosk like Ivan has
a digusted look on his face (hee hee) as if he's saying "What?! Take a
picture of ME?!?!"  The one in the bootleg is a normal-looking one as if he
is saying, "Sure I'll pose.  How's this?" :)

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele

883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3603

Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7994



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:53:27 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan = MWH? & Euro influence (long)

>Let's not jump all over Aaron, I kind of know where he's coming from.

Yeah, stop jumping on him :)  It's his opinion and he is entitled to it (of
course).  Personally, I only like the dancey tracks on "The Spell" and I
don't listen to the others.  Just my taste.


>headlining that night right before Ivan came on stage.  What I heard was
>"Men Without Hats!"  Not one person said "Ivan!"  I think he's finding that
>he cannot easily separate himself from MWH, and that bugs him.  Sooner or
>later, I think he's going to have to go back to it if he wishes to attain
>the level of success of his MWH days...but only if he thinks he'll enjoy
>the experience.


Well, everyone knows who "Men Without Hats" is and it is natural that Ivan
will be referred to as the guy in Men Without Hats.  In my opinion, Ivan =
Men Without Hats isn't true.  There is a reason why Ivan is Ivan and Ivan
will be Men Without Hats when they release their new album.  It is like
saying The Beatles are opening up when Paul McCartney is singing.  About
wishing to attain the lebvel of success MWH did, I think he has a good
chance with today's teenagers (that seems to be the majority of the radio
audience) since most of them weren't conscious of music back in '82 anyway.
It is us "vetrans" who remember him as the Pop Goes The World/Saftey Dance
guy and are nostalgic for the electronic RoY days.  Which brings a question
to mind, Why do we tend to absolutley adore RoY and hardly anything else?
When I say hardly, I mean compared to the other albums whether we like them
or not, RoY stands out by a landslide.  I remember when the list members
came back from their trip to Montreal last summer and one of them mentioned
Colin was surprised to see everyone interested in only the RoY demos.  Could
it be part of that early 80s nostalgia?

Back on topic, what I remember back in the RoY days is when they would
announce a song by MWH, strangely they would say "Ivan and Men Without Hats"
or "Ivan without a hat".  This could be where this comes from if Ivan is in
fact trying to seperate his solo work from MWH.  Maybe that's why he wears a
hat on stage? It sounds funny but it could be.

- -----

I was listening to the RoY demos (yes yes I do prefer them over the Folk3
demos <grin> except for WDTBG but that's another story) last night and
realized how greatly they sound european.  I mean to say that they sound
like they were from a european electronic band.  Even the Folk1 songs have
that feel to them but not the preceeding albums.  Except for "Euortheme" and
maybe "The Great Ones Remember (Reprise)".  Actually, I wonder if anyone
from Montreal has any interviews of Ivan (there I go again) from that era?
If so, dose he mention any of this influence?

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele

883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3603

Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7994



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:45 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) R.O.Y the best

A recent message mentions that ROY stands out as most peoples favorite.
I love both ROY and Folk 3 equally because they sound like a 2 record
set. The sound and the character are the same, I could'nt imagine having
to choose.
Now what's this about Demos. I was on this list last year and at the
time people were looking for them. I'm assuming they have been found.
The discussion back then was about the videotape everyone was buying, me
included, and the Oglio 2on1 which never really surfaced, at least as an
item that ended up in stores anywhere.

Scott


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:10:08 -0800
From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

I guess I was under the wrong impression....I noticed most people talking
about how the Spell was not quite up to par with the rest of MWH albums.  I
still stand by my opinions though, The Spell was awful, Ivan shoulda kept to
the industrial pop he used in the 80's.   Catch ya latez folks!

p.s. - a "baby"????  a "brat"?????  -=)   j/k


Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
http://menwohats.home.ml.org
Security, everyone feels better with...






# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:51:04 -0700
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell

I think I understand why Aaron feels that way about The Spell.  I've just
finished hearing the Ivan live stuff and I am disappointed too.  The quality of
this recording is very poor.  I'm not commenting on Richard's work, I'm sure he
has done his usual good job in reproducing the mp3's.  The music, though, is
unbalanced at times, fading in and out and very noisy.  Certainly, it gives us a
chance to hear what Ivan is doing lately but it's not a pleasing experience to
play these.  Also, that's got to be the worst rendition of PGTW I've ever heard.
What is that, some kind of jazz fusion thing? Not for me, thanks!
As for what this list thinks is the best MWH's album, that seems to alternate
between ROY and PGTW.  Personally, right now, I'm shifting to ROY slightly but I
rate both at the very top of my all time favorite albums.

Senz



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 17:07:12 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan the individual

Scott Davies a =E9crit:
>=20
> If Ivan's big problem is always being refered to as MWH then he would
> need to get over it. He's never gonna have another huge chart hit...

Hum... I'm not so sure about that. Why not? He's got the talent, he's got=
 the
inspiration, he's got the means. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.=
 I
think the best is yet to come.

Take care

Claude


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:44:45 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan is confusing me.

    I've only downloaded safety dance and pgtw b/c i want to save
the rest of the IVAN live songs for when I get the CD. But I agree with
Senz...the PGTW is just lethally horrible.

    I get confused sometimes too, because Ivan says he wants to leave
 the Hats behind him...yet he also is quoted as saying "he enjoys doing
PGTW and Saftey Dance" in his sets. "Something in that quote isn't
right...and this is what I know."

    ALSO...IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE MEN WITHOUT HATS BEHIND, HOW COME
THERE IS A MEN WITHOUT HATS RECORD SPINNING IN THE OPEN YOUR EYES
VIDEO...DID HE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

    Personally, I love the Spell and I am also a fan of Sideways.
People are arguing that The Spell is not befitting to their
taste....fine...it doesnt' have to be. It's not MWH. That's why there are
no labels on the album of a hat with a line slashing across it.

    Any comments?

Collin From Ithaca...
    it snowed today.





            ******************************
            MAY THIS E-MAIL SUCCEED WHY THE
                E-MAILS OF MY FRIENDS FAIL..YET
                MAY I ALWAYS BE PERCEIVED AS A
                 TEAM PLAYER
                 ***********



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:51:37 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Men Without Hats!

In a message dated 98-04-04 10:33:02 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Nathan Shireman a Θcrit:
>  >
>  > Hey Claude,
>  >
>  > What's the good news?  I don't have access to WWW.
>
>  The good news was: april 1st! I'll have to think of something else for next
>  year I guess.
>
>  Take care
>
>  Claude
>
>
Claude, you evil man, you!

i *LIKE* that!  ;)

- -C-


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:04:38 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan the individual

In a message dated 98-04-04 14:02:02 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> He's never gonna have another huge chart hit so he
>  will always be known as MWH.

hmmmmmm..........nice attitude, there, slick!

- -C-


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:55:54 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) Calm down already

OK, before I get anymore pissy messages about how evil I am for saying
Ivan will never have another hit let me explain, for those it wasn't
already obvious to. In case people haven't noticed music in the 90's
absolutely sucks and talent isn't appreciated. You have to have no
musical ability, a constipated attempted singing voice, and a load of
phony anger to make any impression on todays mindless youth. I love
Ivans unique singing and though the Spell is really uninteresting to me
I'm glad to see he's still around. I just wish that he, and every other
once good songwriter, would stop trying to fit in to todays music scene
and do something good. When all these artists say that they believe in
what they are doing presently it seems like such a crock. What they
really want is to be refered to as "hip" and have another chart topper.
Most of the time these people just start alienating their original fan
base and end up in the cutout bin. If all of these people consider this
progress then I would take a Folk of the 80's Part 4 anyday, regardless
of the decade.

Scott


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:10:22 -0800
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell

Here is the truth.

I came across Ivan solo before I came across Men Without Hats
I was listning to a radio station that played Open your eyes alot and fell
in love with the song.
I am not saying any thing against Aaron cause he is my friend and I know
that some people dont like the spell.
I took it to school with me and some people hated it and laughed at me.
(but those are the same people who laugh at MWH too)
so they dont matter
But It did get good  response from some of the students who always listen to
rap.
just goes to say I agree give the spell a chance
after all it is only Ivans first solo album.

Michelle



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:53:16 -0800
From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Sideways

Ya know, I just realized how much different sideways.  I always could tell a
differeence, but know hear a bigger one.  All I know is I didnt like it at
frist, but now I love it.  Hm, I guess I have weird taste for a MWH
fan...late all!


Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
http://menwohats.home.ml.org
Security, everyone feels better with...





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 02:15:31 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Calm down already

Scott Davies a =E9crit:
>=20
> OK, before I get anymore pissy messages about how evil I am for saying
> Ivan will never have another hit let me explain, for those it wasn't
> already obvious to. In case people haven't noticed music in the 90's
> absolutely sucks and talent isn't appreciated.

Don't confuse your perception of things with reality. Like in any era, 90=
's
music has its share of stinkers and gems. But it is certainly not worst t=
han
the 80's (when all you needed to make the charts was a weird hairdo, some
spiffy spandex, some make-up and a synthesizer). The proof is, the bigges=
t MWH
hit is Safety Dance, and this song is very far from being their best! Iva=
n
songwriting has improve a lot since then...

> You have to have no
> musical ability, a constipated attempted singing voice, and a load of
> phony anger to make any impression on todays mindless youth.

Youth was, is and always will be mindless. And what you say is true of an=
y era
in pop music. Don't fool yourself, your days as a teenager were not any b=
etter
or worst than those of today's youth.

> I love
> Ivans unique singing and though the Spell is really uninteresting to me
> I'm glad to see he's still around. I just wish that he, and every other
> once good songwriter, would stop trying to fit in to todays music scene
> and do something good.

It is not because you don't understand something you have to shit all ove=
r it!
What makes you think Ivan is trying to fit into todays music scene? Maybe=
 I'm
not getting your point here. Are you talking about artists like Bowie?

> When all these artists say that they believe in
> what they are doing presently it seems like such a crock. What they
> really want is to be refered to as "hip" and have another chart topper.
> Most of the time these people just start alienating their original fan
> base and end up in the cutout bin. If all of these people consider this
> progress then I would take a Folk of the 80's Part 4 anyday, regardless
> of the decade.

Are you suggesting that good musicians should just endlessly repeat thems=
elves
to satisfy their once younger fans who are unable to broaden their musica=
l
horizons? Hum... I think Kiss are doing just that. They even brought back=
 the make-up.

Take care (and I mean that)

Claude


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 17:42:34 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) slightly related

for all you UK residents - if you near Tomski's new single 14 Hours To
Save The Earth on Radio 1, Kiss FM or similar stations - you're probably
hearing my handywork!  The radio edit was done some time ago and
(unfortunately) doesn't appear on the CD single - bummer!

enjoy

}:-)
Mike



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:54:59 EDT
From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) boots 6,7,8

Have I missed something, are these boots available for sale now.  I have not
heard anything yet, but I may have missed something.

[e-mail]


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:12:31 EDT
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER

After what I heard on CD#9, (or 8 I'm not sure), I'm not to excited to get an
Ivan show.
No wonder why he didn't book a lot of shows.

- -----------------

OK, I did not have the final answer for the REAL mwh show BUT  If you are
interested to get a private show  PLEASE E-mail me, I'm gonna do a new survey
to organize this show.

So E-mail me with the number of people who will attend this show.

Ciao

Francis



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:10:45 -0400
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan is confusing me.

At 06:44 PM 4/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>    I get confused sometimes too, because Ivan says he wants to leave
> the Hats behind him...yet he also is quoted as saying "he enjoys doing
>PGTW and Saftey Dance" in his sets. "Something in that quote isn't
>right...and this is what I know."

Collin, I see your point.  Two things come to mind: (1) maybe Ivan
genuinely likes to play these songs even though he's played them hundreds
of times; (2) or he's come to realize that he has to 'play the game' i.e.
if he wants his solo career to be successful, he has to give in (just a
tad) to those people who equate him with MWH.  I won't say it's *all* about
selling records, but if you don't sell records, then you won't have the
financial backing to be an artist.

>    ALSO...IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE MEN WITHOUT HATS BEHIND, HOW COME
>THERE IS A MEN WITHOUT HATS RECORD SPINNING IN THE OPEN YOUR EYES
>VIDEO...DID HE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

And that's another good point, which falls in the same category as 'playing
the game'.  A couple of weeks ago, Ivan was featured in a Montreal Gazette
article.  The article made it sound as though Ivan wanted to forge ahead
with his career, and wanted to downplay his MWH past (although he is proud
of it).  Ironically, the Gazette printed a picture of Ivan in his Montreal
studio bathroom whose walls just happen to be lined with 'Rhythm of Youth'
LP's.  Financially, Ivan needs us to know he was once the founder of MWH,
but artistically he would rather we forget it.  And that's his catch-22
dilemma.

What I'm worried about is the fact that I don't really believe you can
achieve fan loyalty in the dance music/techno business, and if it's
possible, few have achieved it.  'Open your Eyes' is a very good song, and
it received a lot of airplay here in the province of Quebec.  Yet, Ivan's
'The Spell' is not roaring up the charts.  Even more disturbing, I don't
think he's becoming any more popular because of the song.  Yes,
dance/techno is probably where the youth is at, but of all the musical
categories, it is the one with the most 'one-hit wonders'.  However, when
you play rock, pop, etc., the chances are on your side that if you get that
one big hit, a good porion of the fans will stick around for the long haul.
 We are living proof of that.

Any comments...?

Vince




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:24:55 -0700
From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER

At 10:12 -0700 04/05/98, JDivito334 wrote:
>OK, I did not have the final answer for the REAL mwh show BUT  If you are
>interested to get a private show  PLEASE E-mail me, I'm gonna do a new survey
>to organize this show.

So are we assuming that Ivan's not going to do a private MWH show for us,
and that he's only willing to do primarily Ivan material...?

Please clarify that a little, as it would weigh heavily on my answer :)

Thanks!

- --
Gregory Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gtsamson[at]bigfoot[dot]com)
"...fairies never say `We feel happy': what they say is, `We feel *dancey.*'"
            - J. M. Barrie, _Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens_




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:49:05 EDT
From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER

I would like to go on record to say that if this is just an Ivan show, I will
not be attending.  I find "The Spell" pretty average (though I really dig
1972).  It just isn't worth it to me to spend all the money and effort to get
to the show and not hear "Mother's Opinion" ,"Walk on Water", etc.  I hope
that the show does go off, and that many fans do get to attend and that it
does get videotaped.  I thought the idea to make some sort of documentary was
also a cool idea, with people taping their pilgrimages the whole way.  I am
sure that someone could put all of the tapes together.  Anyway that is my two
cents, as I am out of the concert picture.  I need to try and get Cd #8, if
someone could get me Richards e-mail address, I would appreciate it.

Chris
[e-mail]


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: The Spell

I can see where you're coming from Vince.  I'm sure living under the
shadow of MWH is frustrating for Ivan.  I wonder how many times he gets
called the Safety Dance guy.  that's all many know him as, unlike us on
the list, who know all of his other stuff.

What I don't understand is, why would he, if he's trying to seperate
himself from MWH want to put out another MWH album in the future, along
with solo stuff.  Would it be to carry on the legacy of MWH, or does
certain material to him have a certain place it has to fall.

Nathan




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:41:16 -0700
From: James <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell

> >
> > I'll cast my 2 cents with those who dislike Ivan's new release. "The
> > Spell" has next to nothing that I liked about MWH. Of course, this is
> > coming from someone who thinks all of the current techno dance stuff is
> > very lame, so my strong dislike for "The Spell" is consistant with my
> > feelings on all music of this type.
> >
> >                                                       James


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Email [e-mail] with "info hats" in the message.
# Postings must go to [e-mail] -- replies go to original sender.
# Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats

------------------------------

End of hats-digest V2 #50
*************************