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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:13:24 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE

In a message dated 98-03-27 20:21:14 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Hey gang....
>
>  Dave Byrne told me he still waiting any news from Ivan himself.  It seems
Mr.
>
>  Doroschuk is a busy guy between Toronto, Montreal and New York.
>
>
>  The show won't be public, ONLY FOR FANS, WITHOUT ANY PROFIT! (except for
the
>  band itself)
>
>  You are free to bring any one you want.
>
>  Ciao
>
>  Francis
>
yaHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:16:19 -0700
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan chat

Does anyone else feel a little let down by the promises made during the
chat.

1.  new video "1972"
2.  new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
3.  new Ivan material out around the same time
4.  promo package from Tox
5.  world domination

(okay, the last one I really wasn't expecting!)

I wonder if Ivan is feeling a bit let down too.

also...I've put "Nationale 7" on my Gallery of Cover Art page
http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm

Senz







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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:58:30 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan chat *let down...???*  :/

In a message dated 98-03-28 19:23:06 EST, Senz write:

>
>  1.  new video "1972"
>  2.  new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
>  3.  new Ivan material out around the same time
>  4.  promo package from Tox
>  5.  world domination
>
welp, one outta five ain't too bad;)
personally, i wouldn't be surprised if the new MWH material came out around
the first part of `99...
dunno about the Ivan material...
promo package/TOX...*stifling much giggling*....
world domination?...
been there, done that....

NEXT?

;)

 i certainly do not feel let down...the only direction from where this all
stands for now is forward,and whatever happens re: the other stuff will happen
at it's own pace...what we have for now is good enough for me, as there is
only MORE to look forward to:)

ttyl,
Charlotte


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:05:39 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan chat *let down...???*  :/

>>  1.  new video "1972"
>>  2.  new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
>>  3.  new Ivan material out around the same time
>>  4.  promo package from Tox
>>  5.  world domination


1. Well, there is a video for "1972 (Slippin' Away)", I haven't seen it :(
But others on the list have.  Can anyone describe what happens in the video?

2-4. It is usually difficult to release an album by the proposed deadline.
Maybe there are final tracks recorded but there wasn't any time to put
together the album.  Maybe it's also because of the ice storm Montreal
endured in January which delayed the album.  Maybe Ivan meant in January
they would start recording.  As for the promo package, a theory I have is
maybe Ivan was a little over his head when he gave us the phone number.
suddenly, everyone on the list dialed it and got an answering machine.
Maybe it got erased?  Who knows.  Maybe the promopackages got lost (it could
happen).  Maybe they are still being made?

5.  Well, that takes time :)  So far, some of us on the list are doing a
good job initializing it.  For example, the bootlegs are pretty popular and
so are the t-shirts!  Now we have a fan-produced cover CD on the drawing
board.  A few fan websites and Ivan on Camilla Scott and TSN!  What will be
next?  Ivan on "Definition"?  :D



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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 23:24:35 PST
From: "icehouse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Looking for help from fellow collectors in Japan

I'm a huge fan of Ivan, but I am currently attempting to find a CD that =
went out of print just last year in 1997 by Mayumi.

The Japanese pop songwriter issued a CD called The Art Of Romance (For =
Life Reocrds) in 1993 and I am desperately looking for a copy of it.  As =
fellow collectors you know how it feels to want.

If anyone out there can offer a helping hand I would appreciate it.

Just contact me direct
Gordon
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THANK YOU


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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:00:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Stroud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert

> I want to tell everyone that if you want to be sure this show happens, one
> good way to help the effort is NOT to bicker on this list!  So let's stop this
> nonsense before it ruins everything!!!!!!!!!!!
>
I am in no way trying to undermine or sabotage the show. I just made a
decision on my own, and that decision happens to be that I don't want to
go now.

To everyone who plans on attending the concert: have fun!

=============================================================================
Don2
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:15:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Schumann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Snipefest

Instead of not going to the show, I'm tempted to unsubscribe form the
list. All these long winded responses are this close to useless in my
mind: The people who write them are doing nothing. I just don't read them,
and I don't want them in my inbox any more.

I'd like to read things about Men Wihtout Hats, not about how we can all
get along, or who said what or what anyone else thinks about what anyone
said. I just don't care, and from the list of contributors, I'd guess most
of us list readers don't care either.

In the interest of the list, please take issue with someone via e-mail. If
you want others' opinions, have them send it via e-mail and post a
(brief!) summary.

As for the venue, admission and ticket policies, guest list and play list,
none of you care what I think (and if you do, get help), so I will keep it
to myself or send my concerns to Francis and wait to see what is finalized
THEN decide if I want to attend.

Chris Schumann <[e-mail]>


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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 03:22:29 -0800
From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) buying THE SPELL album

Hello.

Just wanted to say that I ordered The Spell from HMV in Toronto 1-800
567-8468 and it arrived within a week.  I didn't have to fax them
authorisation, though, and I did use my visa card...  it was less than $18
US including shipping.

I have also used A&B Sound in Vancouver (they didn't have The Spell on
release date).  www.absound.ca  They have the cheapest cds in Canada (and
likely the word, given the Canadian $ exchange rate, which is about .60
US!!  They should also have PGTW, Greatest Hats, 21st Century, etc...

Best wishes,
Rod
Los Angeles




>here is where you can get it:
>HMV in montreal. the phone number is 1-800-567-2442. and that will work from
>the states.  ask to be transferred downstairs (it is a three level store with
>about 200 employees!). I always speak to Sharon.  I paid $17.59 total u.s.
>dollars to have The Spell delivered to my mailbox about 3 days after i ordered
>it.
>  there is one technicality with using a credit card (one i admire for its
>safety purposes), you must fax them a signed note authorizing hmv to use your
>card, which they will keep on record. fax# is 514-875-9158.  i have to say it
>is the finest music store i have ever seen!
>(they also have pgtw, 21st century, sideways and greatest hats)
>
>        bye
>              Aerechui


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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:51:55 -0800
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) do you know?

HI ALL..
I am wondering who from I could get the CD folk of the 80's and ROY/FOE3
from?
I dont really feel up to ordering off the net ..
if you know what I mean.

thanx.
Michelle



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:53:28 -0700
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:14:31 -0800

I feel sad to hear of people wanting to leave the list because of this
past while.
a.k.a Chris.

I havent even talked to you yet and I dont want anyone to feel they should
leave the list
I am new here and yes i want to talk about MWH too...not the other stuff
that people have been debating lately.

SO HERE.
if anyone feels they have to leave the list
I am here to talk about MWH night and day non stop
=)

Michelle



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:41 -0800
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...

I need some help.
Me and my xfriend have been fighting lately and it is not verry
pretty.
I recieved a e-mail from [e-mail] today and it
was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
e-mails and got him mad at me?

what do I do?
I would hate Ivan to hate me...and
if it is true it is a genuwine e-mail how do I
tell Ivan it was not me?

Michelle.
*Most unimpressed*



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:37:14 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...

> I need some help.
> Me and my xfriend have been fighting lately and it is not verry
> pretty.
> I recieved a e-mail from [e-mail] today and it
> was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
> or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
> OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
> e-mails and got him mad at me?
>
> what do I do?
> I would hate Ivan to hate me...and
> if it is true it is a genuwine e-mail how do I
> tell Ivan it was not me?

Yikes!   That is terrible.   Does Jolene have your e-mail password?
This would be the only way that she could have sent hate mail to Ivan with
YOUR e-mail address.

I am quite impressed that he actually replied to your e-mail.   Ivan is a
very busy guy and he NEVER has time to reply to his TOX e-mail much less
read any of it.

What did he say - that you said - exactly?

Tom
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:12:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...

It seems to me much more likely that Jolene "spoofed" a message "from"
Ivan's address.  Making messages appear to come from an address not one's
own is an old trick.  It seems unlikely that all of a sudden, the "deaf"
tox folks wake up and send a mean message (never mind Ivan himself).  I
doubt anyone up there at Tox was involved or knows anything about it.

But, who knows?  Shrug.

Woody

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Tom Norman wrote:

> > I recieved a e-mail from [e-mail] today and it
> > was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
> > or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
> > OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
> > e-mails and got him mad at me?
>
> Yikes!   That is terrible.   Does Jolene have your e-mail password?
> This would be the only way that she could have sent hate mail to Ivan with
> YOUR e-mail address.
>
> I am quite impressed that he actually replied to your e-mail.   Ivan is a
> very busy guy and he NEVER has time to reply to his TOX e-mail much less
> read any of it.



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:49:57 +0000
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) VH1 Pop up video now online

Well I got my video card on friday and I have been messing around
with it alot this weekend.

I put the Safety Dance VH1 Pop up video online this morning. I
converted two differnt ways. One is set for High Quality (14.2 meg)
and low quality (2.6)

The Web page can be found at http://www.holdman.com/mwh

If you need a mpg player you can download a good one with a 30 day
trial at http://www.xingtech.com

- -Richard Holdman

Note: The CD-rom that I am making will have this video along with a
bunch of other stuff I get put on it.


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:56:35 +0000
From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) do you know?

Hi Hatters!

Michelle asked . .
> I am wondering who from I could get the CD folk of the 80's and ROY/FOE3
> from?

Thanks to Carl at Oglio and Mike in London (you guys should both be
sainted!), I have several of the 2-fers (ROY and F80s3 on one disk)
available.  Contact me privately either at this address or at
[e-mail] for more details.

Also, let's all remember to think positive thoughts for Francis and
his daughter Tania.  While he has been trying to help organize the
private concert, Francis's baby daughter has been in the hospital for
surgery.  We're all pulling for you, Francis!

:-) Laura


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:46:37 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan or not Ivan

I am sory to hear that you and your friend aren't on good terms right now:(
I doubt that Ivan would send you hate e-mail.  Not only is it unprofessional
(he owns Tox Records) but he doesn't seem to be the type of person to do
that (some people on the list met him and say he is a very nice person).

Unless your friend is a hacker genius, I doubt he/she hacked into his
e-maila count and sent you that e-mail.  With netscape, you can change your
address to a different one.  For example, your friend probably used netscape
and changed his/her address to [e-mail].  There are some web
sites that let you send e-mail to others by changing your adress.  Such
sites let yous end hate mail to your boss, for example.  Maybe that is what
your friend did.  If he/she actually sent you that mail.  Maybe it was
someone else playing a joke?

I am not sure how you can verify that it was indeed Ivan or someone else who
sent you the mail.  I would discard it and pretend nothing happened.  Your
friend might eventually ask about it then you'll know for sure.  I would
wait to see if you get another one.  Even if Ivan did send such an unlikely
e-mail to you, I highly doubt he would send another one! :)  He is a very
very very busy person apparently flying fron Montreal, Toronto, and New York
on a frequent basis. Does anyone know what he does in those cities?

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:20:01 EST
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE

Hi hatters.

I spoke to Dave Byrne regarding our private show.

Instead of giving my comments (because it's not something I want to put
public), here is the answer I received for the show.
- ---------------
Mr. Byrne :" I received some news from Ivan, he's not enthousiastic to do a
MWH retrospective."
Francis: "Money is not a problem, we are ready to pay 35$ per ticket, if we
are 200, it's 7000$   PLUS tell him again we are the REAL FANS, only the
cream"
Mr. Byrne :" I already told that to Ivan."
Francis :"If Ivan is alone, would it be possible to get old MWH songs ??"
Mr. Byrne :" Unfortunately, there is only 2 songs from MWH,   PGTW and SAFETY
DANCE.  He goes on stage with a DAT (instrumental version) and he is signing
over".
Francis: "Could you insist again???"
Mr. Byrne :" I'll see what I can do."
- --------------

Ivan wants to be known as IVAN, the SOLO ARTIST.
I have nothing more to add, I don't want to write bad words against the
artist.

I will wait any development this week, Don't worry, I WANT THIS SHOW.

Are you interested to get Ivan only????

Ciao!

Francis



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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:21:02 EST
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE

Hi hatters.

I spoke to Dave Byrne regarding our private show.

Instead of giving my comments (because it's not something I want to put
public), here is the answer I received for the show.
- ---------------
Mr. Byrne :" I received some news from Ivan, he's not enthousiastic to do a
MWH retrospective."
Francis: "Money is not a problem, we are ready to pay 35$ per ticket, if we
are 200, it's 7000$   PLUS tell him again we are the REAL FANS, only the
cream"
Mr. Byrne :" I already told that to Ivan."
Francis :"If Ivan is alone, would it be possible to get old MWH songs ??"
Mr. Byrne :" Unfortunately, there is only 2 songs from MWH,   PGTW and SAFETY
DANCE.  He goes on stage with a DAT (instrumental version) and he is signing
over".
Francis: "Could you insist again???"
Mr. Byrne :" I'll see what I can do."
- --------------

Ivan wants to be known as IVAN, the SOLO ARTIST.
I have nothing more to add, I don't want to write bad words against the
artist.

I will wait any development this week, Don't worry, I WANT THIS SHOW.

Are you interested to get Ivan only????

Ciao!

Francis



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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:14:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Stroud <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Some levity amidst the tension

By request, I am resending my treasure trove of Ivan and MWH jokes, in
the hope that their unbridled hilarity and explosive laugh-making will
quell the rising tide of vitriol that has permeated this list, and
in its place spread happiness and hand-holding and a feeling of pure joy.

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REALLY FUNNY MEN WITHOUT HATS JOKES
===================================

Q. What does Ivan wear when he's afraid he'll get mugged?
A. The Safety Pants.

***

Q. What is Ivan's favorite dessert?
A. Tira-MITSOU.

***

Q. What did Ivan's butcher say?
A. "I got the sausage!"

***

Ivan's friend Lee was a very talented tailor. One night, at a party,
Lee began bragging about a wonderful roll of fabric he had bought.
Ivan, his friend Richie, and Richie's wife Coco were at this party.
They couldn't really believe that Lee's new fabric could be that
exciting. A little aggravated, Lee dashed upstairs, intent on producing
his purchase and showing them how fabulous it was. Alas, Lee had downed
a few too many beers, and as he began to come down the stairs, an
unwrapped flap of fabric slipped between his feet, tripping him up.
He fell forward, the fabric unrolling around him as he tumbled. He came
to a stop at the bottom of the stairs, unconcious and wrapped in cloth.
Ivan saw all this, and yelled to the other people in the room:

    "Coco! Richie! Lee's tangled in velour!"

***

Q. What did Ivan's Jewish friend ask him when he was looking for the
   Non-Jewish String Quartet's studio?
A. "Where do the goys bow?"

***

Q. What science topics does Ivan like to read about the most?
A. Ant-articles.

***

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:07:21 -0800
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Thank you all

Well it seems to me Jolene faked the e-mail from Ivan..
you are right..if Tox has no time to 'update' there darn webpage
why would they have the time to reply to a fan?!
and as for Ivan.I never really doubted him..I didnt think he was that
type of guy.

but thanx for reasuring me

your fan club friend
- ---Michelle



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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:19:27 -0500
From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) clarity on "editions of you"

editions of you does not appeaar on either the 2fer or on the FO80's3
lp. it does however appear on the practice tape for FO80's3 in two
different versions(that on cd 5). Two furhter confuse things on the
collection the copy right is listed the same year as FO80's3. WAs it put
out on ep that year or was it only available on the tape version. if any
one can clarify this please do so quickly

thanks
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:57:53 -0500
From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) this a test

please reply if you recive this iam not sure if my out going mail is
actually leaving

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:58:56 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) clarify this too :) & Ivan's decision

about the song Freeways, is it an actual single or previously unreleased
track? For it to be a single, it was released on an EP after RoY with 4
others songs which just happen to be the ones from their first EP.  Yet, all
the different versions were available on the RoY cassette.  Then again,
"Freeways" on the EP was a remix.  Come to think of it, I guess that's why
Ivan called it a secret single on the RoY tour.

As for the private concert, it is a shame that Ivan doesn't want to do the
concert.  Personally, I don't mind.  It would have been great, but you have
to respect his wishes. I'm still going to Montreal this summer anyway (it's
fun to travel!) but I wonder why Ivan wanted to be known as Ivan the solo
artist an dnot Ivan the Men Without Hats.  I mean, on Camilla Scott he said
a Men Without Hats CD will be released some time from now.  Maybe after all
the hard work he put into "The Spell" he still wants to promote that and
himself as a solo artist.  Sure I'd be interested in seeng Ivan the solo
artist but to tell you the truth, it would be too awkward.  Or maybe I am
hopeing to get a chance to see Men Without Hats in concert as i wasn't able
to before.  I know Ivan as Men Without Hats not Ivan as th solo artist.
Maybe it's too soon to think that way.  If he relased another solo album,
then it can be safe to think of him as the solo artist.

Well, whatever Ivan says, I wouldn't be too sad.  We tried our best (LOTS OF
APPLAUS TO FRANCIS!!) and got father than we ever thought imaginable.  Hey,
Ivan seems to be considering it, after all he or his manager asked if we
would be interested in only Ivan the solo artist performing.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:57:19 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) clarify this too :) & Ivan's decision

> about the song Freeways, is it an actual single or previously unreleased
> track? For it to be a single, it was released on an EP after RoY with 4
> others songs which just happen to be the ones from their first EP.  Yet,
all
> the different versions were available on the RoY cassette.  Then again,
> "Freeways" on the EP was a remix.  Come to think of it, I guess that's
why
> Ivan called it a secret single on the RoY tour.

Wasn't the 7" for National7 released before ROY and right after FOLKI.
Back then Freeways was called National7 only.
 I am almost positive that all the other versions were also recorded in 80
as well.  Freeways Euromix, may have been remixed in 85 but im not sure.
Anyone?

> As for the private concert, it is a shame that Ivan doesn't want to do
the
> concert.  Personally, I don't mind.  It would have been great, but you
have
> to respect his wishes. > Well, whatever Ivan says, I wouldn't be too sad.
 We tried our best (LOTS OF
> APPLAUS TO FRANCIS!!) and got father than we ever thought imaginable.
Hey,
> Ivan seems to be considering it, after all he or his manager asked if we
> would be interested in only Ivan the solo artist performing.

You all have to remember, Ivan is very busy with his "The Spell" Tour.  He
is also very busy working on a new album -- at the same time.   In order
for this concert to happen, Ivan would have to not only switch to his older
keyboards, but relearn how to play them and learn Alan M's parts as well.
Then he would need to put together ANOTHER tour theme -- just for our one
show.
This would take a great deal of time.   I am guessing that this is why Ivan
is against it.   Not worth the effort to put together a whole ACT for just
one show.

Tom
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