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hats-digest         Saturday, January 31 1998         Volume 02 : Number 028




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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:22:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) SURVEY FINALITIES

Well, to all of you who have taken part in my MWH favorite line survey, I
salute you (hats off to you all!).  I am now tallying up the results, and
will have the final #1 favorite line by either the end of the day, or
early tomorrow morning.  IF you haven't emailed me with your favorite line
from a MWH song, you still have a chance to do so, just make it snappy.
You might get lucky, and your vote might get here in time.

Take it easy,

Nathan
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 18:08:53 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) H17, the Human League & Ivan

>The ONLY Heaven 17 I know is the (late 70s) and 80s band (who are
>still together) who did a lot of dance music.  They're Brits.  Before
>they were Heaven 17, they were British Electric Foundation (B.E.F.)
>Their first singers included Adi Newton (who left to form Clock DVA) and
>then there was Phil Oakey (now of the Human League).  Since the first lp,
>the band has consisted of three members; Martyn Ware, Ian Craig Marsh,
>and Glenn Gregory, who has been the lead singer ever since.  The same
>guys, calling themselves B.E.F. did a lot of production work in the
>early 80s, but I can't think of Ivan ever working with them.
Heaven 17 were half of the Human League back in the early days - '78 -
before the League did Dare (yup - they actually did some great stuff
pre-Dare - Empire State Human/Being Boiled etc).  They also did loads of
work for others (as in the main text) and helped Tina Turner back on
track...  Never heard of any Ivan connection

BEF - a great label helping some great music get noticed...  OBTW their
last CD was OK actually, 'Bigger Than America" is pretty good...

}:-)
Mike



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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:08:22 +0000
From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the story of my life...

Hi,

I'm Trena Brantley, the other chic on the IVAN video tape with Dr.
Laura, Dave, Tom, and Claude in Montreal.  I work with Laura, so when
the opportunity came for us to drive 17 hours one way to see Ivan
live in Montreal I said, "Cool, let's go."   One of the most humorous
moments on our trip occured at the lovely fondue restaurant we dined
in before the concert.  A lady of middle age years (I'm 31)
approached me cautiously as we all began to leave the restaurant.

In anticipation of the show, my brain was only still slightly connected
to my body after just having spent the afternoon talking to Ivan and
Colin and company and after seeing the great sound check.  The lady
asked me what my shirt meant, and I attempted to explain that we were
members of a fan club (so to speak) for a band called Men Without
Hats.  Like a silly goof, I thought she could put 2 and 2 together,
noting the symbols on the shirt.  No, I was wrong.  She shook her
head, "No."  Then I explained each symbol carefully one by one.  "It's
a man wearing a hat and a 'NO' symbol over top, see?"  "No," she
shook her head again.  Was I speaking some foreign language?  Was I
suddenly speaking in tongues at the thought of seeing Ivan perform on
stage again?  I repeated myself.  Obviously, some alien had taken
over my body.  "Well, what's that?" she asked, pointing to the head
outline on the shirt.  "It's a man," I said, repeating my above
statement again.  Again, she shook her head, not understanding, as
she wandered back to her table.

Perhaps there's an alien abduction story at the heart of this that
I may one day discover in deep hypnosis.  Perhaps this is an X-files
waiting to happen.

Aside from MWH and IVAN, I'm heavily into Japan, David Sylvian,
Jansen and Barbieri, Mick Karn, Peter Murphy/Bauhaus, China Crisis,
Chris Connelly, Peter Gabriel, Hall and Oates (don't tell anyone I
told you this), Icehouse, Killing Joke, Gary Numan, Talk Talk,
Ultravox, and Midge Ure to name the most important names in my
collection.

I love literature, especially Medieval (my master's thesis was on
Chaucer), Victorian, and (gasp) some science fiction, and I have an
unnatural love for Doctor Who (again, don't you tell anyone this).  : )
I also love creative writing and spend most of my life writing and
editing stuff--from boring technical manuals to my own atrocious
attempts at the great American novel.

Whew!!!  That's a lot about me.  I guess I'm saying a lot because I
usually lurk a lot and don't have a lot to say, but I'm still here
reading and looking forward to my next close encounter.  ; )

Trena


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:55:59 -0500
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH CD's

Hats' fans!  I've been seeing a proliferation of a couple of CD's in used
CD places near my house: "Sideways" and "The Adventures of Women and
Men...".  They are priced very low ($7.00 Cdn.), so if anyone out there is
having a tough time finding either one, send me an email and I'll see what
I can do for you.

Til next time,
Vince



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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:39:22 -0500
From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorite songs

after an over whelming 10 responses the current leaders in the favorite
song survey are
#1 ideas for walls(7)
#2 walk on water(5)
#3safety dance
where do the boys go
folk of the 80's
if you would like to add to these responses lpease write me back with
your top three MWH songs and remember we are going to try and give these
to ivan himself so hurry up with those song choices. first ten
responders get free e-mail courtesy of hot mail

whit


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:40:13 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven17

Everyone,

I meant Heaven 17 as in Ivan's first Montreal band in the late seventies.
Check out the text in the Greatest Hats CD, its mentioned in there.
I don't mean the English band Heaven 17, but they are not bad either.
:-)


Tom
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:38:11 -0600
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) short intro

Since so many others are doing intros, I suppose I'll type a few lines
as well.

Cameron Campbell.  Natural Historian.  North American.  Have been a hats
fan since their early days.  Well, at least since "The Safety Dance"
made it's appearance.  I find the music of MWH to be exceptional in both
instrumentation and lyric.  The songs have real MEANING, and sound GREAT
too!  Other bands "I like":  Ultravox, Icehouse, Naked Eyes, Saga, The
Fixx, The Cars, Kraftwerk.  It is "the electronic sound" which most
interests me musically.

MWH has such an amazing quality of rhythm!  True art!  Very unique!
Favorite Song?  I just can't decide on any particular one!
"We can dance if we want to"  what a great philosophy!

Before I found this mailing list, the amount of MWH material I was able
to find was meager.  That's all changed now.  I am very grateful to all
those here who have helped me acquire so much that was otherwise " not
possible to get"!  THANKS

C.Campbell





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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:42:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FAVORITE LINE RESULTS!

To all you hat fans out there,

The results are in!  I had asked each and everyone of you to respond to me
with your favorite line from a MWH song.  With approx. 1/3 of you
responding, here are the results...

It sounds familiar but it doesn't sound the same....
was your number one favorite

honorable mention went to these three...
and the great ones remember
time is money, sell your watch today
why get in line if you don't want to wait?

thanks to all who participated, and shame on you for those who did not!
Don't forget to EMAIL WHIT with you top three favorite MWH songs.  He's
anxiously awaiting your responses!

And if anyone out there knows if IVAN or COLIN, or any hat member has an
email address, let me or whit know.  We'd like to send them the results.

Thanks again,

Nathan




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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:34:41 PST
From: "derek morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hi! I'm the new guy.

Hello. My name is Deric and I just subscribed to this list. I have am
new with computers (I stil play my atari 2600) but am a long time fan of
MWOH. I am 25 and have been listening to my numerous worn out copies of
ROY and FOTE for years. I could tell a million stories about how they
had impact on so many times in my life but I won't bore you.  I am so
glad to have found this list, that I may take back some of the awful
things I have said about computers. So now that I am here I have a
couple of questions that I'm sure you've heard before...

1. How can I get a copy of the new 2fer(I looked on every page in
goldmine magazine twice!)

2. How can I get copies of the fan made discs 1-7

3. I have a cd copy of FOTE and was wondering how many were produced?

Jeeze...for a new guy I sure talk alot and ask alot of questions!

Well thanx for listening and I look foward to talking to you all!

P.S. I am also a D.J. here in Florida spining only 80's new wave, and
every time I play the infamous Safety Dance it fills the floor like no
other.(Or damn close to no other!!!)

P.P.S. If you feel like talking I'm at [e-mail]

- -Deric

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:09:30 +0000
From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) favourite line?

>Not only was I walking through the forest, but it was in Scotland AND it was
>raining  :)

Tell me about it. We don't have seasons in Scotland, just rain.

Gregor (wet in Scotland)


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:06:29 +0000
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bootleg CDs For Sale

I have noticed a few people still wanting the CD-Bootlegs.
If you still want copies let me know. I currently have CDs 1,2,3,5 to
offer.

CDs will be $15 with Artwork $10 without Art work. (USA Funds)

If you are intrested send Check, Money Order, or Cash to

Richard Holdman
112 North 300 East
Orem, Utah 84062


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:40:36 +0000
From: Michael Bush <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bio- new member

Hello!  My name is Mike.  I'm 29 and have recently rediscovered hats.
I loved the Safty Dance and PGTW etc. when they were released.  I
bought these albums after hearing these played on the air.  I hate to
admit it but outside of a very few tunes I did'nt much care for hats.
I thought Ivan had a terrible voice then.  Ok, Ok, I'll say it- Iwas
brainwashed by the "top 40".
About 7 years ago I got way into Bob Marley and I still have a great
passion for his and Ziggy's music (and a few other reggae artists).
Good reggae, however, is getting harder to come by and this brought
me back to hats.
I began searching for hats and realized quickly that this wasn't
easy.  When I began listening to hats again I realized there was an
immense artistic genius (I mean that) that in my younger years I had
completely overlooked.  I would now argue that Ivan has the greatest
voice this genre has ever witnessed.
But, enough about me!  Too much?  Anyway, I am desperately seeking
the "2fer" and if anyone could help me out I would be extremely
grateful.  Also, could someone explain to me what the bootlegs
contain?  They sound like something I wouldn't want to be without.

Thanks for hearing me out!

 P.S.-  If you're interested in reaching me,  I''m
at:   [e-mail]
 I would love to hear from you.

Mike



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:31:42 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) boot CD info

> But, enough about me!  Too much?  Anyway, I am desperately seeking
> the "2fer" and if anyone could help me out I would be extremely
> grateful.  Also, could someone explain to me what the bootlegs
> contain?  They sound like something I wouldn't want to be without.

CD#1 - Freeways - cassette + Pop (remix) + Moon (remix)
CD#2 - Spectrum - concert (1985 Montreal concert)
CD#3 - Toronto - concert (1983 CFNY radio broadcast)
CD#4 - BBC live LP - 6 songs (from 1984 WDTBG tour) + Winnebago song (20min
- -                               [sounds like Ou sont mes men])
                                  -- in progress--

CD#5 - MWH Demos - Roy demo tape + Folk III Rehearsal tape (earliest
session)
CD#6 - in progress
CD#7 - in progress

OK thats it.

everything is very good near CD quality.   except CD#3 which needs Dolby A
NR decoding, therefore it has a little tape hiss.   Can anyone do this?

OK thats all the CDs.

I will try and make some more this week.

In the meantime, Richard Holdman is taking over for a bit.  By the way, for
complete track lists of the 4 CDs that are already done, check out the MWH
MP3 site.   If you have an MP3 player (WinAmp, MacAmp) you can actually
listen to a few of the songs.  Then you can determine how good the quality
is of each for yourself.

http://www.holdman.com/mwh/

enjoy!

I will let all of you know as soon as I receive CDs 4,6,7

Tom
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:37:52 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) mp3s

I went to the MP3 site, but I couldn't find the songs for CD#4.  Have they
been put up yet???

Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:55:39 -0000
From: Col & Neen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Just thought I'd ask

I've just been listening to the various versions of freeways and was
wondering if the lyrics are the same in all three languages.  From my
limited grasp of french (at least I think it's french!) it doesn't seem to
be the case.  Does anyone know if they are the same, and if not, would
anyone have an idea what the english translations would be?
Just thought I'd ask.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:12:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Spell

Question... does anyone know exactly if the spell was written all at once,
or were bits and pieces recorded over the period of five years since the
last MWH stuff?  I was just pondering this... and thought one of you fine
hat fans might know the answer.

Nathan




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