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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:06:36 GMT
From: Chris Dalton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Different Safety Dance on UK ROY

Greetings Hatters.

Everyone seems to be introducing themselves, so I'll do likewise.  I'm 29,
married, childless.  I live in San Jose, California.  I write code for a
living.  No programs you've heard of, unless you're into influence diagrams
or decision trees.

I've been listing to men w/o hats since those heady days of the early 80's
when you could hardly turn on MTV without seeing that safety dance video
(all I remember is wrapping ribbons around a pole).  As soon as I got the
album I realized that safety dance was at best par among their other songs,
and became a fan.  Ironically, I don't like to dance.

I play keyboards in a casual garage band.  I've been trying to get the
band to play safety dance for years, but the other members don't share my
taste ("It's Junior High Bubble Gum Rock" -- maybe so, but it sure is
good).  The band consists of a lead singer, a bassist, a drummer, a
keyboardist (me) and four (4) guitarists.  It has an institutional bias
toward "three chord rock" songs, especially those with many guitar solos.

My favorite hats song is "Things in My Life".  My hat-oriented friends and
I celebrate the 14th of november.  I think of the first four full length
albums (I don't have sideways -- need to start harassing my canadian
friends) as being almost equally good, although if I had to choose a
favorite it would be folk of the 80s pt III.

This is probably a faq, but I haven't seen it discussed in the few months
I've been reading this list so here goes.  How many versions of safety
dance were released?  I know there is the version on ROY that became
popular in the US, the similar extended dance version, and at least one
other.

I have two copies of ROY on vinyl.  One is "1983 Backstreet Records"
(USA), and the other is "1982 Statik Records" (UK).  The two records are
about 90% alike (the UK version has living in china instead of antarctica,
and a slightly more colorful cover).  Safety dance on the UK record is
much shorter (2:44 rather than 4:32, acording to the labels) and in my
opinion much better.  It doesn't spell out the word safety, it lacks that
two c's an octave apart keyboard riff, and it has some melodic parts that
are either not present on the US version or are mixed real soft.  Whereas
the US version seems dominated by bass and percussion, the UK version is
more balanced between instruments and perhaps less dancable.

I originally bought the UK import largely because my US ROY was worn out
(played too many times on a turntable with a heavy arm and a lousy
needle).  The different version of safety dance was a bonus.

- --Chris


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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:02:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A thought of the day

Hatless People,

Thought of the day:  Who do you suppose Ivan cheered on during the
superbowl.  I have a feeling it was the Broncos.  In my opinion, I could
see Ivan wanting the underdog to win.

More stupid, unimportant thoughts to come,

Nathan




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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:33:54 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic

Muchmusic has been showing 80s videos all weekend.  Around 5:15 pm Toronto
time, they showed an interview which isn't on the tape between Ivan and
Erica Ehem.  They were talking about how Ivan came up the idea for the song.
I think it will be rerun at around midnight, so for those of you who get
MuchMusic, tape it!


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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:16:14 -0500
From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Short Bio

My name is Alain, from Montreal, Qc. 28. I've been a pleased listener of MWH
since the beginning in the early '80s. I played music for a long time, mainly
saxophone, but also keyboards, where MWH definitely had a strong influence.
Now I gave it up, using my spare time on my other hobby, photography.

I have a master degree in Communication Sciences, specialized in multimedia
stuff. Since 1995, I am working at the Computer Research Institute of Montreal
in the human-computer interaction field.

Voila!

Al.


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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:35:23 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Reservations

Hey Claude!

Please reserve two MWH songs for me to attempt to record for the fansmade
covers CD:

1) Ban the Game

    and

2) Life After Diamond Head

Paul has also apparently decided against making another version of
"Where Do The Boys Go?" since there are already two other versions of
it already in existence - made by whom?

He's currently looking into "Mother's Opinion" and "Messiahs Die Young"
and it appears that "Messiahs..." at this time is the one he prefers.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:05:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell

    I found an article that I'm sure you have all read, cocerning the
press release of The Spell.  Paul Cantin wrote it for the Ottawa Sun.  In
the article, it mentions that between sideways and the spell, Ivan did a
lot of work with -French Grunge, French Jazz, and a project entitled UFO's
Are Real.-  Although the article says that this stuff never saw the light,
I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of any copies of this stuff
seeping through to the public's hands?  Can anyone help me?

Thanks,

Nathan




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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 10:09:33 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats stuff

>Hi!!!
>
>Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.  they are different of the
>original.
>
>May be we could put on bootleg
>
>Ciao
>
>Francis
my first reaction would be 'no' as they're still available from Tox so
what we would be doing is _definately_ illegal.  For stuff that aint
available I can see no problems, but stuff that you can still buy I do
have a problem with (apart from the Mitsou stuff!!)...

};-)
Mike



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:37:08 PST
From: "Eric Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oasis & T-Shirt

Hey all-
First of all, no computer yet so, Hotmail is still in effect.  Please
disregard any ADs that they may attach to this.  ANYWAY, I won tickets
to Oasis in S.F. tonight.  I don't really care for them, but the price
was right.  I am going to wear my Hats T-Shirt and I will let you guys
know if I get any feedback although the dumb 13 year-olds who will be
there will have no idea that I am wearing a T-Shirt from the best band
EVER.
- -Eric

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:46:05 EST
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) My daughter

I'm surprise, and I'm touch!

I received a lot of good words from you!  My daughter Tania will be operated
in March.  She has a "Spina bifida".  It's a malformation in her back.

She is 6 months old.


Once again, thank you!  Me and my wife  really appreciate!

Francis


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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:11:24 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell

- ----------
> From: Tom Norman <[e-mail]>
> To: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell
> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:58 PM
>
>
> >     I found an article that I'm sure you have all read, cocerning the
> > press release of The Spell.  Paul Cantin wrote it for the Ottawa Sun.
In
> > the article, it mentions that between sideways and the spell, Ivan did
a
> > lot of work with -French Grunge, French Jazz, and a project entitled
> UFO's
> > Are Real.-  Although the article says that this stuff never saw the
> light,
> > I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of any copies of this
stuff
> > seeping through to the public's hands?  Can anyone help me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nathan
>
> To add to what Nathan said.....
> Which album is "Heaven" from?  (Spectrum concert)
>
> Is that one of the Pop demos?
>
> And has ANYONE heard Heaven 17, Ivan's very first band?
> Was there ever a 7" record of this in Montreal or a tape?
> This would be really cool to listen to.
>
> Last question:
>
> I heard that some of you attended HAts concerts in the very very
beginning,
> from your introductions.  My question is , What set did they play in
97-80?
> I know they had to play more than the 4 Folk1 songs.  Could they have
> played the ROY demo material way back then (remember BAn the Game in
> Spectrum concert).  And could they have played different Heaven 17 songs
> mixed in?



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:12:11 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic

> > Muchmusic has been showing 80s videos all weekend.  Around 5:15 pm
> Toronto
> > time, they showed an interview which isn't on the tape between Ivan and
> > Erica Ehem.  They were talking about how Ivan came up the idea for the
> song.
> > I think it will be rerun at around midnight, so for those of you who
get
> > MuchMusic, tape it!
>
> Dang it!
> Much Music USA is different from the "real" Much Music in Canada.
>
> For those of you in the USA who have a DSS or full sized dish, you are
> stuck with the USA version.  The Much Music canada feed is digitally
> scrambled to the teeth, and the only to get it is to be IN Canada with a
> Canadian receiver.
>
> Also if you have Much on cable in USA, it is the US version.  Everyone on
> the list should know that the USA version, does NOT repeat its
programming
> at night.
>
> Instead, they run infomercials.   So Danielle, and other Canadians, if
you
> catch something cool on Much, your American friends cant tape it on the
> next 8 hour run.  IT only shows once on the USA version. :-(
> So please tape for us less fortunate Americans.

Tom
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:56:32 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Open Your Eyes

    You can still get the Open Your Eyes' remixes? How? Do you just
e-mail tox?

Mike and somebody said:
> >Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.

they're still available from Tox

> Mike



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:54:56 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I guess I'll go.

    I didn't really read everyone's bio in depth so I don't expect you
to either. So I'll make mine short.
    I go to Ithaca College and I'm a freshman.
    19 yrs. old
    Listening to MWH since 3rd grade
    I'm going up to Montreal for spring break possibly and was
wondering if anybody up there would like to shelter me for a day or two.
    I got about 10 people into MWH up here at school.
    Their favorites are "Things in my Life" bootleg, Security, I Got
the Message, Open Your Eyes, 1972, S.O.S., You and Me, and Pop Goes the
World.
    Bye
    Collin



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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:05:39 EST
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Private show.

Hi gang.

As far I'm concern, I'm taking care of  Ivan's private show.  The last news I
got from Pierre Gendron is he has to finish the tour with a band called
DUBMATIQUE.  After that, we talk about our show in June.

Now, if some of you are not on my side, I rather you tell me RIGHT NOW,
because we have to work together for this show.

If you want someone else to take care of this show, PLEASE leave me a message.

Thank you

Francis


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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Favorite MWH Line

    I don't want to be a messiah, I just want to have fun!



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:03:24 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (jon masciana)
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes remixes

>>Hi!!!
>>
>>Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.  they are different of the
>>original.
>>
>>May be we could put on bootleg
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>Francis
>my first reaction would be 'no' as they're still available from Tox so
>what we would be doing is _definately_ illegal.  For stuff that aint
>available I can see no problems, but stuff that you can still buy I do
>have a problem with (apart from the Mitsou stuff!!)...

I definitely want to order a copy of the Open Your Eyes remixes--does Tox
Records still offer copies, otherwise, can someone slap them on cdr?

Thanks!

Jon





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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 09:59:38 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Favorite Line from MWH

>I'm just looking for your favorite
>line from a MWH song.
my fav is quite simple - its taken from the 12" of Safety Dance I think
it was...

     "you can dance if you want"

...Well, I like it anyway and I feel it sums most thinsg up quite nicely
- - either sit down and be boring or get up and do something!

}:-)
Mike
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:00:07 -0700
From: senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Private show.

> Hi gang.
>
> As far I'm concern, I'm taking care of  Ivan's private show.

> Now, if some of you are not on my side, I rather you tell me RIGHT NOW,


I'm standing on the left side/right side which is the nice side now     :)

Senz




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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Private show.

    DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE IVAN IS TOURING NOW?
    IF SO, COULD THEY POST IT?

collin



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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:03:19 +0000
From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) more than you want to know about Heaven 17

> > And has ANYONE heard Heaven 17, Ivan's very first band?
> > Was there ever a 7" record of this in Montreal or a tape?
> > This would be really cool to listen to.

The ONLY Heaven 17 I know is the (late 70s) and 80s band (who are
still together) who did a lot of dance music.  They're Brits.  Before
they were Heaven 17, they were British Electric Foundation (B.E.F.)
Their first singers included Adi Newton (who left to form Clock DVA) and
then there was Phil Oakey (now of the Human League).  Since the first lp,
the band has consisted of three members; Martyn Ware, Ian Craig Marsh,
and Glenn Gregory, who has been the lead singer ever since.  The same
guys, calling themselves B.E.F. did a lot of production work in the
early 80s, but I can't think of Ivan ever working with them.  My
brother (who is a huge fan of H17) and I were in their fan club for
years (throughout the 80s) and we corresponded with the guys (very,
very nice folks) for a long time.  They even sent us a picture of
themselves with a picture of us and our dog!  Well, it was cute at
the time.

I hope this helps.  Does anyone know of Ivan ever working with H17?
If so, please let me know and I'll see what I can find out from H17.
I haven't mailed them in years.

Sorry about the nonIvan content.


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:58:17 -0500
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven 17 and Ivan

In response to Trena's email concerning 'Heaven 17' and Ivan, Ivan was in a
band with the same name as its more famous British counterpart.  As far as
I know, Ivan never worked with the British 'Heaven 17' and I don't think
anything exists (on tape) of any of Ivan's 'Heaven 17' work.  Alas...

Vince



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:02:35 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) BioPlus

Hey!

I'm sitting here at work today listening to "Sideways" with my Discman
and I just felt compelled to write everyone  and tell 'em how much
I think "Everybody Wants To Know" is a superb song!

And my bio is already online at my website (so I don't have to keep
repeating the same story over and over! <G>).

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/mylife.htm
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/ymphony.htm   (an explanation of my art)
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm    (hats concert pix! (1988))

If you're looking to get a copy of the Hats video or CDs (all made by
fans on this list), email me.  I can't yet burn CDs but I can put
all of what's currently available onto two VHS HiFi videotapes for ya.
NTSC-format only (Sorry PALs!)

Tony, your video is in the mail as I type.  Be expecting it around
Wednesday or Thursday.

Myke


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:11:31 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Security/Gravity

I was listening to Security today and had a wqeird idea.  Could "Gravity" be
a demo or predecessor to "Security"?  Think about it, both are sung in the
same tone with the same perspective.   I am prolly wrong, but it is an
interesting observation.

Aaron Gitlin
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:49:55 -0700
From: senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Security/Gravity

Kajjia Goria wrote:

> I was listening to Security today and had a wqeird idea.  Could "Gravity" be
> a demo or predecessor to "Security"?  Think about it, both are sung in the
> same tone with the same perspective.   I am prolly wrong, but it is an
> interesting observation.

It's not that wqeird Aaron!  The spoken verses are definately similar to
Security.  (Not to mention the subject of being insecure with a persons own
personality) It's my guess that Ivan decided Gravity didn't quite express his
idea clearly enough and reworked it into Security.  (a thing I had to do a few
times throughout my own songwriting.)

So far, out of the demos, I like "Rhythm of Youth" and "Treblinka" the most.
Rhythm seems to be a transitional song between the style of FOTE and ROY.

Treblinka reminds me of David Bowies latest single "I'm Afraid Of Americans".
Both Treblinka and Bowie's song express a fear or concern of the mentality of US
culture.  And of course with the latest fasination concerning Clinton's
sexcapades rising to the point where it's impeding the nations business, you
certainly have to wonder who' running that country anyway... only in america!!
(flame away if you like)

btw my bio is in Claude's who's who page under "Steven Enz"

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:53:29 -0500
From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Security/Gravity

Steve wrote:
>It's my guess that Ivan decided Gravity didn't quite express his
>idea clearly enough and reworked it into Security.

That's my guess, too. Even before I paid attention to the lyrics, the
music sounded almost identical to me. I considered it more of a sister
song than a precursor, although Steve is probably right.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:35:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IVAN the spell

Hello to all,

I'm as happy as a clam!  Thanks to all that helped me find Ivan's new
album, the spell.  I just got it in the mail, and I just finished
listening to it for the first time.  very dancy! (is that a word?).  Also,
I wanted to do some self promotion also... I too am a "musician" that
writes Industrial/Techno music.  If anyone would like info on how to get
my latest release, email me (all you industial freaks out there, you know
you want it!).

Thanks again to all!

Nathan




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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:45:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bios...

Well, let's see, I'm an over-20 year old almost done University
student/staff member.  Been listening to MWH since PGTW.  Bought
the cassette the day I heard PGTW for the first time in fact.  I
tend towards industrial and goth music, and host a show on the
local campus radio station (CFRC-FM) here in Kingston.  I actually
featured a MWH spotlight on a fill-in show over the X-Mas holidays,
so I guess that's my MWH link.  *grin*

Anyhow, for more information on me, fun web toys, and information
on my show, NIN, PWEI, or the Thrill Kill Kult, you can always go
and visit my homepage:
   http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/

My radio show's homepage is at:
   http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Music/Psychosis/

F.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:28 PST
From: "Colin McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic

> Instead, they run infomercials.   So Danielle, and other Canadians,
>if you catch something cool on Much, your American friends cant tape
>it on the next 8 hour run.  IT only shows once on the USA version.
>:-( So please tape for us less fortunate Americans.

Hey all....  I got this interview clip on tape on Sunday.. they
announced Pop Goes the World was coming up after Dexy's Midnight
Runners... and then suddenly comes on a 1-2 minute interview clip of
Ivan sitting with the Bonhomme from the PGTW video.  Then they showed
the video.   If anyone really wants this interview clip (it's rather
short) just email me and we'll work something out. :)

This is my first post ever to the list.... just joined a month ago...
I've somewhat liked MWH for a long time (since Pop Goes the World).
I travelled to Montreal in December for a Duran Duran concert (my
favorite group) and was treated to a great opening act... Ivan! :)  I
bought "The Spell" the next day... and now here I am.    Brief info: My
name is Colin McLeod, 23 years old...I live in New Brunswick (Canada).
I guess that would be my introduction.

Colin

ps - I made an attempt to tape Ivan's performance (on audio) at the
concert in Montreal at the Metropolis....  it didn't turn out as good as
I hoped... but if any of you hardcore fans don't mind audience
recordings I can make copies.  He did an amazing version of PGTW! And
also a cover of Oasis' Wonderwall... also Safety Dance, Superbadgirls,
Open Your Eyes, and 1 or 2 other songs.  He was on stage for 30 minutes.
I wish my recording was better, but it's better than nothing.






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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:18:31 -0800
From: Bill Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bio+line

30 years old.  Married.  No children. 3 cats, 2 ferrets. Own a small,
neighborhood pub in Cincinnati.  Been a MWH fan since day 1.  Fav line,
Only the Great Ones Remember.  What do you think it means?


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:11:25 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favourite line?

I don't know which is my most favourite but I always found "Walking in
Scotland through a forest in the rain" (I haven't listened to the song in a
while so I might have it mixed up).  I always thought this line was so
detailed.
Not only was I walking through the forest, but it was in Scotland AND it was
raining  :)

Others....

It's plain to see, life like a mystery to me....and I say it's plain as day....

Their mother buys them shoes where she gets them no one knows


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:23:42 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open Your Eyes

In a message dated 98-01-26 21:28:53 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>     You can still get the Open Your Eyes' remixes? How? Do you just
>  e-mail tox?
>
E-mail??!?!?!
TOX??!?!???!
*roflmfao*


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Date: 28 Jan 98 09:48:00 +0000
From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Heaven 17 and Ivan

 I read an interview with Heaven 17 not long after Temptation was a
 massive hit for them, in fact they were actually reviewing the records
of
 the week.


 One of these records was I Got The Message by you know who.


 One of them, Martin Ware I think, said "This band used be to be called


 Heaven 17 you know", to which Glenn Gregory replied "I wouldn`t have
 changed names to Men Without Hats!".  They didn`t like the single
either.


 So there you go - Men Without Hats came about because another group got


 to the name Heaven 17 first - both bands obviously liked A Clockwork
 Orange.
 This happened to a number of bands during the 80`s and is probably still


 going on all over the place.


 Si Wooldridge


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 Lucent Technologies


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