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hats Digest                Friday, 16 August 1996       Volume 02 : Number 002

In this issue:

    Re: Dump Antarctica?
    Re: Dump Antarctica?
    RE: Dump Antarctica?
    Re: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! [e-mail] (kraftwerk mailing), [e-mail] (Yello)
    Re: Dump Antarctica?
    Re: Dump Antarctica. Keep Unsatisfaction
    Re: MWH Experts
    Re: MWH Experts
    Re: MWH Experts
    2 on 1 vote
    Re: MWH Experts
    CD Length...
    New Info Message
    Re: MWH Experts
    A perverse suggestion
    Bootleg
    Mailing list notification?
    Re: Dump Antarctica?
    Re: Dump Antarctica?
    Bootleg -Reply
    RE: Dump Antarctica?
    Re: Hello?? Testing...

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From: [e-mail] (Sean Rubacky)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:20:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?

I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby
out with the bath water.

>Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
>
>
>Well, the experts have spoken:
>
>
>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
>I vote to dump unsatisfaction
>
>Any more votes?
>
>
>Carl
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:55:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?

Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they
were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions
of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that,
if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be
as close to the original format as possible.

"Antarctica" is on "Collection", so people who really want it can find it
there. I think it should be removed if time/space is a consideration.

That's my opinion, anyway.

And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads
into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?"

(Note to Carl: My plea for meticulous attention to detail does *not*
 include emblazoning the CD sleeve with "Where TO The Boys Go?")

Don2
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> From [e-mail] Thu Aug 15 22:47:55 1996
> Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?
>
> I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby
> out with the bath water.
>
> >Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
> >
> >
> >Well, the experts have spoken:
> >
> >
> >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
> >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
> >I vote to dump unsatisfaction
> >
> >Any more votes?
> >
> >
> >Carl

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 06:39:17 UT
Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica?

>>And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads
into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?"<<

Here here!

The buzzing intro to WDTBG is great as well as the whole song itself "Ya'd
almost done me in-a" Gotta have that one (theoretically speaking). In fact, I
think I'm gonna go throw on the vinyl right now.

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From: [e-mail] (hats mailing list)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:55:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! [e-mail] (kraftwerk mailing), [e-mail] (Yello)

Really-From: Miranda Gill <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:53:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?

In a message dated 96-08-16 01:05:09 EDT, you write:

<<
 IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
 I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
 I vote to dump unsatisfaction

 Any more votes?


 Carl
  >>

No...please no....I love Unsatisfaction....Is there not enough room for both
albums in full? I wouldn't be as satisfied if it were left off.... :) I'm
used to the order of tracks...

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:55:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica. Keep Unsatisfaction

In a message dated 96-08-16 01:53:32 EDT, you write:

<< Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they
 were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions
 of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that,
 if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be
 as close to the original format as possible. >>

I agree....But maybe we should wait till all the list members
arrive....before the vote is decided for sure...

Rod

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:04:57 +0000
Subject: Re: MWH Experts

> My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their
> edited single versions:
>
>
> >     4:44    I Got The Message
>         3:30    I Got The Message [single edit]
>
> >     4:19    I Like
>         3:22    I Like [single edit]

Ditto!!!  PleasePleasePlease don't drop Unsatisfaction!!!!

Carl, are you serious?  Please don't toy with our emotions.

;-) Laura

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From: [e-mail] (Toby Elliott)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:36:02 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts

> > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their
> > edited single versions:
> >
> >
> > >     4:44    I Got The Message
> >         3:30    I Got The Message [single edit]
> >
> > >     4:19    I Like
> >         3:22    I Like [single edit]

Since we've got the longer tracks on the compilation, this makes a whole
lot of sense to me.

Regards,
Toby Elliott



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From: [e-mail] (hats mailing list)
Date: 16 Aug 96  8:43:19 EDT
Subject: Re: MWH Experts

Really-From: Peter Grose/Norwalk/MBCC

I also think Antarctica should go.  It is not part of the original release of
either album
 Keep the continuity of the albums and don't shorten  the tracks by using the
edit.


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From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:55:47 -0400
Subject: 2 on 1 vote

I have to cast my vote for maintaining the integrity of the two albums,
and losing "Antarctica."

- --
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From: [e-mail] (hats mailing list)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:31:29 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts

Really-From: Thomas Norman <[e-mail]>

At 10:00 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Heath David <[e-mail]>
>
>
>> Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
>
>>
>> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
>> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
>> your opinions.
>>
>> carl caprioglio
>>
Carl, You have my vote for shaving off "Antarctica".

By the way, if this really is the 4 min version of Antarctica, then this is
not the same version as the 3 minute one on "Collection".   This is the Folk
of 80s I and Freeways version that was NEVER on CD.
    On the other hand, it does NOT belong on Rythym of Youth.   I will have
to take the side of the majority here.  It appears the track listing is
perfectly matched to the original Canadian versions.  Why spoil it?
    If a track HAS to go, lets get rid of Antarctica.
Tom
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From: Kevin Gamble <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:52:08 -0600
Subject: CD Length...

I'm curious, Carl...

I have CDs which are almost 78 minutes long.  What is the
significance of the "Red Book" time of 74 minutes, and what
complications does a longer CD ential?  Does it have to do
with cost, manufacturing standards, your company's source
for discs, sound quality, or something else?

I don't want to seem like I'm looking a potential gift horse in its
hypothetical mouth, but I'm just curious about how this works.

I suppose Antarctica should go if it has to.  _Definitely_ don't
edit or shorten any of the songs (I Got the Message and I Like
are my 2 fave ever MWH songs).  I'm not concerned with
continuity with the original albums, there have been so many
different versions anyway...

Kevin,
who's still keeping alive hope that he can someday walk into a
record store and buy RoY on CD...


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:49:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: New Info Message

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:52:13 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts

Carl,

I would tend to agree with the person who suggested to use single edits of "I
Got The Message" and "I Like".  I've never heard them, and that would make
the disk slightly more interesting (though, in truth, I will buy it
regardless).

One thought:  If "Antarctica" stays (and it looks like it will not), couldn't
you put it in between the albums?  It's completely out of order at the end of
the CD (chronologically, it should be the first track), and my personal
opinion is that "I Sing Last/Not For Tears" is a great final track.

Thanks for asking!  (This isn't just a "mental exercise", is it?)    ;)

Swahili Steve

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From: "Gordon R. Burgess" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 12:37:51 EST
Subject: A perverse suggestion

Hello, all!

To Carl (and anyone else who cares), why not go with the suggested order and truncate the last ~2 minutes of Antarctica, as if the disc were a dubbed cassette that wasn't watched closely enough?  You could put on the liner notes that it was done at the insistance of some crazed mw/oh fan, and it would still be enough of the song for us to get a taste.  Then the newbies would have to buy Collection to hear how it ends! ;) Sorry, I must have had too much coffee today (or not enough)

Gordon

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:52:15 -0400
Subject: Bootleg

I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the bootlegs?

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:04:29 -0700
Subject: Mailing list notification?

This is mainly for Lazlo...

The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..."
as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is
given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message
and sent it to the list.

Is that going to change? I'm not griping, I'm just curious, as it's
not as easy to distinguish MWH list mail in my mail tool the new way.

Don2
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From: [e-mail] (hats mailing list)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?

Really-From: [e-mail] (Nelson Sandoval)

>Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
>
>
>Well, the experts have spoken:
>
>
>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
>I vote to dump unsatisfaction
>
>Any more votes?
>
>
>Carl
>
>I think that we should dump Antarctica.

- -Frederick Sandoval


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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica?

Hi!

I just got onto the xmission list, and seem to have missed something...

>>Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
>>
>>
>>Well, the experts have spoken:
>>
>>
>>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
>>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
>>I vote to dump unsatisfaction
>>
>>Any more votes?
>>
>>
>>Carl
>>
>I think that we should dump Antarctica.
>
>-Frederick Sandoval

What is Carl taking a poll about???  Is there another potential Oglio release?

Jeff
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From: FRANCOIS BLAWAT <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:48:30 -0500
Subject: Bootleg -Reply

Nope.  No news yet. Mike has not been on the list for awhile now.

  I will need to get back to you on the information regarding using or
leaving the list.  I placed the information on another drive.



>>> <[e-mail]> 08/16/96 11:52am >>>
I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the
bootlegs?

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From: [e-mail] (hats mailing list)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 20:11:21 UT
Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica?

Really-From: "Avi Rosenthal" <[e-mail]>

i am new to the list

hello to all MHW fans!!!

i am eagerly awaiting the rhythm of youth cd but, the thought of not having
ANTARCTICA is appalling !!!!!!!!!

it has always been one of my favorites.  there must be another way around
this.

avi

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Sent:     Friday, August 16, 1996 2:51 PM
To:     [e-mail]
Subject:     Re: Dump Antarctica?

Really-From: [e-mail] (Nelson Sandoval)


>Really-From: Carl <[e-mail]>
>
>
>Well, the experts have spoken:
>
>
>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
>I vote to dump unsatisfaction
>
>Any more votes?
>
>
>Carl
>
>I think that we should dump Antarctica.

- -Frederick Sandoval



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From: Michael Vickers <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...

Michael here in Toronto... Still "dancing when I want to..." (since 1983).

Cheers!

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                   [e-mail], Toronto, Canada
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