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hats Digest Thursday, 15 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 001
In this issue:
LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello)
Hello?? Testing...
Re: Hello?? Testing...
Re: Hello?? Testing...and 21st Century
Re: Hello?? Testing...
MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Looking for any Men Without Hats MIDI files
RE: MWH Experts
RE: MWH Experts
Re: Hello?? Testing...
Everybody Wants to Know
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Re: MWH Experts
Dump Antarctica?
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:45:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello)
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:19:36 +0000
Subject: Hello?? Testing...
1, 2, 3...
Just wanted to see who all else has made it back.
Laura from North Carolina, USA checking in. Hi everybody!!
Quote of the day, from my boss: "Stop stressing, Laura. You've got
all the time in the world. This doesn't have to be done until next
Friday..."
I think I'll put on my Collection CD and take some maalox now.
C Y'all L8R!
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From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:31:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...
> From Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu Thu Aug 15 10:28:05 1996
> Subject: Hello?? Testing...
> Priority: normal
> 1, 2, 3...
>
> Just wanted to see who all else has made it back.
>
> Laura from North Carolina, USA checking in. Hi everybody!!
>
Don from California, transplanted from North Carolina, present and
accounted for.
> Quote of the day, from my boss: "Stop stressing, Laura. You've got
> all the time in the world. This doesn't have to be done until next
> Friday..."
>
You're better off than I am. Quote from my boss: "The only thing more
pathetic than your programming skills, you loser, is your deformed
face! Now get back to work, or I'll jab this letter opener in your
good eye!"
Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats?
Don2
dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com
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From: Jupiter8@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:47:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...and 21st Century
I'm here...
Roderick from Portage, Michigan checking in....soon to check out....but
hopefully back again...
Just a note....I bought 21st Century this weekend and have listened to it all
week...I remember when I first bought it on vinyl when it first came out and
then on cassette when it first became a cutout....I remembered it to be a
very boring album....I stand corrected...It's like finding a new MWH record!
I love this album....
Roderick!
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From: Jupiter8@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:48:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...
In a message dated 96-08-15 13:30:47 EDT, you write:
<< Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats? >>
"Hey" Men!
Roderick
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:29:53 -0800
Subject: MWH Experts
Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for
1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to
go:
Rhythm of Youth
0:58 Ban The Game
3:04 Living In China
4:41 The Great Ones Remember
4:44 I Got The Message
3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
2:44 The Safety Dance
2:59 Ideas for Walls
4:56 Things In My Life
4:19 I Like
1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
Folk of the î80s (Part III)
2:09 No Dancing
3:15 Unsatisfaction
4:55 Where Do The Boys Go?
6:48 Mothers Opinion
2:40 Eurotheme
4:20 Messiahs Die Young
4:55 I Know Their Name
4:17 Folk Of The 80's
3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears
4:28 Antarctica*
The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
your opinions.
carl caprioglio
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:32:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Really-From: "Hiram Lester Jr." <hwlester@pobox.com>
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote:
> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
> your opinions.
I think I would leave Antarctica off since it was on Collection, and it
wasn't on the original Canadian release... just for fun... :)
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
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From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:39:02 -0700
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Carl,
Lose "Antarctica" off of "Folk Pt. III". It's on "Collection", and
besides, it's never been one of my true favorites.
Wait-a-minute... does this mean... dare I say it... the CD is (gasp)
BACK ON?!?!?!?!
Don2
dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com
> From hats@cs.uwp.edu Thu Aug 15 17:31:05 1996
> To: hats@cs.uwp.edu
> Subject: MWH Experts
>
> Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
>
>
> Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for
> 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to
> go:
>
> Rhythm of Youth
> 0:58 Ban The Game
> 3:04 Living In China
> 4:41 The Great Ones Remember
> 4:44 I Got The Message
> 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
> 2:44 The Safety Dance
> 2:59 Ideas for Walls
> 4:56 Things In My Life
> 4:19 I Like
> 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
>
> Folk of the î80s (Part III)
> 2:09 No Dancing
> 3:15 Unsatisfaction
> 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go?
> 6:48 Mothers Opinion
> 2:40 Eurotheme
> 4:20 Messiahs Die Young
> 4:55 I Know Their Name
> 4:17 Folk Of The 80's
> 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears
> 4:28 Antarctica*
>
> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
> your opinions.
>
> carl caprioglio
>
>
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From: Tempe Video <tempe@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:36:52 +0100
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
hats mailing list wrote:
> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
I vote for deleting anything that was already featured on COLLECTION.
"Safety Dance" might be the obvious choice, but something tells me
that's going to be a major selling point. How about "Antarctica"?
You say "just for fun"...I thought the 2 for 1 was a dead issue...?
- --
Regards,
J.R. BOOKWALTER
Tempe Video & Press
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From: Senz <senz@cwave.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:58:19 -0700
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
>
> Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
>
> Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for
> 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to
> go:
>
Well, to keep the original flow of things, I favour dropping Antarctica.
This song belongs on a FOTE I / Freeways/ or alternate mix CD. (my two
cents)
Oh yeah, TESTING, TESTING, one and two and three is four...
senz
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:54:11 -0400
Subject: Looking for any Men Without Hats MIDI files
Really-From: Chris Barrett <cbarrett@frontiernet.net>
Does any one have any Men Without Hats MIDI files that they could share
with me? Any help is appreciated.
Chris
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From: "Russ Kemsley" <RussKem_ms@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 01:19:44 UT
Subject: RE: MWH Experts
Carl,
Don't tease us now :)
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM
To: hats@cs.uwp.edu
Subject: MWH Experts
Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for
1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to
go:
Rhythm of Youth
0:58 Ban The Game
3:04 Living In China
4:41 The Great Ones Remember
4:44 I Got The Message
3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
2:44 The Safety Dance
2:59 Ideas for Walls
4:56 Things In My Life
4:19 I Like
1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
Folk of the î80s (Part III)
2:09 No Dancing
3:15 Unsatisfaction
4:55 Where Do The Boys Go?
6:48 Mothers Opinion
2:40 Eurotheme
4:20 Messiahs Die Young
4:55 I Know Their Name
4:17 Folk Of The 80's
3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears
4:28 Antarctica*
The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
your opinions.
carl caprioglio
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From: "Russ Kemsley" <RussKem_ms@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 01:21:46 UT
Subject: RE: MWH Experts
I, too, vote for Antartica
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From: owner-hats@xmission.com on behalf of hats mailing list
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM
To: hats@cs.uwp.edu
Subject: MWH Experts
Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for
1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to
go:
Rhythm of Youth
0:58 Ban The Game
3:04 Living In China
4:41 The Great Ones Remember
4:44 I Got The Message
3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
2:44 The Safety Dance
2:59 Ideas for Walls
4:56 Things In My Life
4:19 I Like
1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
Folk of the î80s (Part III)
2:09 No Dancing
3:15 Unsatisfaction
4:55 Where Do The Boys Go?
6:48 Mothers Opinion
2:40 Eurotheme
4:20 Messiahs Die Young
4:55 I Know Their Name
4:17 Folk Of The 80's
3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears
4:28 Antarctica*
The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
your opinions.
carl caprioglio
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From: BDay0000@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:36:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...
Brad from Atlanta, checking in...
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From: BDay0000@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:42:56 -0400
Subject: Everybody Wants to Know
Hey...
To everyone that didn't care for for Sideways...take another listen to
Everybody Wants to Know...To me it sounds like Ivan would have done it that
way even if he wasn't sans-synths. I think it is a very good song...
Brad Day
Atlanta, GA
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From: BDay0000@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:48:04 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Carl,
Drop Antartica and give us a three minute rarity or suprise...(new
track!!!!!!).
I'm sure we've all got Antartica somewhere else...
Brad Day
Atlanta, GA
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:00:09 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Really-From: Heath David <hart@calvin.math.vt.edu>
> Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
>
> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least
> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust
> your opinions.
>
> carl caprioglio
>
My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their
edited single versions:
> 4:44 I Got The Message
3:30 I Got The Message [single edit]
> 4:19 I Like
3:22 I Like [single edit]
This would result in a total savings of 2:08, which should give you enough
room to play with.
My reasons should already be clear, but I'll give them anyway:
(1) Using these substitutions would save us from having to
remove a track.
(2) The album-length versions of these tracks are already
available (and in print!) on the _Collection_ CD, whereas
the single versions have never appeared on CD.
(3) An edited version of a track would be less objectionable
to the 'casual' MWH fan than the omission of an entire
song. The inclusion of rarer versions of these songs
(and the bonus version of Antarctica) would, on the
other hand, make the CD more appealing to collectors.
I would *much* rather see the 7" edits used on a two-fer CD than
see a track omitted entirely. If this is impossible for some
reason (unusable masters, for example), then I would very
reluctantly suggest omitting "I Got The Message", since there
are already two versions of that song available on _Collection_.
Heath
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From: Jupiter8@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if
there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care
what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original
releases...
Roderick MacQuarrie
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Really-From: Jupiter8@aol.com
Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if
there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care
what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original
releases...
Roderick MacQuarrie
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Really-From: Todd Biggs <toddb@wrq.com>
I'd leave Unsatisfaction off, and gain 3:15.
Todd Biggs
WRQ Software Singapore
e-mail: toddb@wrq.com
phone: 65 336 3122
fax: 65 336 5233
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
>=20
>=20
> Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for=
=20
> 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to=20
> go:
>=20
> Rhythm of Youth
> =090:58=09Ban The Game
> =093:04=09Living In China
> =094:41=09The Great Ones Remember
> =094:44=09I Got The Message
> =093:26=09Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
> =092:44=09The Safety Dance
> =092:59=09Ideas for Walls
> =094:56=09Things In My Life
> =094:19=09I Like
> =091:59=09The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
>=20
> Folk of the =8C80s (Part III)
> =092:09=09No Dancing
> =093:15=09Unsatisfaction
> =094:55=09Where Do The Boys Go?
> =096:48=09Mothers Opinion
> =092:40=09Eurotheme
> =094:20=09Messiahs Die Young
> =094:55=09I Know Their Name
> =094:17=09Folk Of The 80's
> =093:15=09I Sing Last / Not For Tears
> =094:28=09Antarctica*
>=20
> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least=20
> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust=
=20
> your opinions.
>=20
> carl caprioglio
>=20
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:30:11 -0700
Subject: Re: MWH Experts
Really-From: kahlil <kahlil@hevanet.com>
"Living In China" (not on US version of ROY) if the same as on
"Collection", otherwise "Antarctica".
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:06:52 +0000
Subject: Dump Antarctica?
Really-From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
Well, the experts have spoken:
IIII votes for dumping Antarctica
I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks
I vote to dump unsatisfaction
Any more votes?
Carl
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