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From: "Victoria Culler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) safety dance
Date: 02 Sep 1998 18:40:27 -0400


I just wanted to know if there was an actual safety dance. my frind told me
there was and I want to know how to do it. thank you



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MP3 format.
Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:48:06 EDT


Hi gang.

Except for Simon Berthiaume, I didn't have any answer regarding the fact that
I'm stuck with my old Windows 3.1 and I can't convert Wav file to MP3.

What I have to convert is remixes of Open your eyes, the brady bunch (weird al
safety dance) and other stuff from mitsou.

PLease let me know

Francis


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MP3 format.
Date: 03 Sep 1998 00:08:50 -0600


> Except for Simon Berthiaume, I didn't have any answer regarding the fact that
> I'm stuck with my old Windows 3.1 and I can't convert Wav file to MP3.

Francis,

Do you mind using a DOS program?
I've got one that is command line driven, (not everyone's cup of tea)

Let me know, I'll get it to ya...

Senz


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Update on MP3 site and CDS
Date: 03 Sep 1998 09:04:35 -0600


Hello everyone - I thought I would update everyone on the website and Cds that
you should be about to order in a couple weeks. I have been out of town the
last 5 days (in San Fran and picked up a pop goes the world record for 99cents
at a record store) and I will be leaving again tomorrow for another 5 days.

I am trying to get the other cds in mp3 format on the website by tomorrow if
everything goes right.

-Richard


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Cd promo up
Date: 04 Sep 1998 16:45:36 -0600


CD 9 is now up on my site at www.holdman.com/mwh

This is the 21st century promo disc with some interviews on it. There are
pictures of the front and back cover so you will have to download the JPG first
to see what tracks are what. I will be renaming the tracks and putting cd 6 on
the site when I get back in 5 days. Until then you can download the new files.

See ya!

-Richard


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From: Toren Valimir <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Cd promo up
Date: 04 Sep 1998 17:06:37 -0000


[DISENGAGING LURKING MODE]

Let me be the first to say
Wooo-HOOOO!

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If I couldn't change my world.
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From: "Sean Smid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH bbc record
Date: 05 Sep 1998 01:10:08 PDT


Hello,

     At a local record (in Salt Lake City, UT) they had a copy of a
record that had a Men Without Hats live BBC recording on one side and A
Flock of Seagulls live BBC recording on the other side for $300. Does
anybody know anything about this? What is on the record and such?  It
didn't have any artwork, just a plain white cover and back with a hole
in the middle where you could see the writing on the record.

       Sean

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From: "max jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Help me!
Date: 05 Sep 1998 08:11:58 PDT


  Well  again i am still trying to find some one who will make copies
of stuff i don't have (MWH or Ivan) of course! I will pay or trade
copies of stuff you need !
I got the following:

1-Pop goes the world (Cd,Tape)
2-Greatest hats (Cd)
3-Collection  (Cd)
4-Ivan-the spell (Cd,tape)
5-Safety dance uk remix (Cd)
6-Sideways (Cd)
7-Folk of the 80's part III (Lp,tape)
8-Rhythm of youth (Lp,Tape)
9-Safety dance shaped picture disk (Lp)
10-Living in china 12" single (Lp)
11-National 7 single (Lp)

So if any one is interested in trading drop me a e-mail in what yall
need !

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH bbc record
Date: 05 Sep 1998 17:45:04 -0400


>Hello,
>
>     At a local record (in Salt Lake City, UT) they had a copy of a
>record that had a Men Without Hats live BBC recording on one side and A
>Flock of Seagulls live BBC recording on the other side for $300. Does
>anybody know anything about this? What is on the record and such?  It
>didn't have any artwork, just a plain white cover and back with a hole
>in the middle where you could see the writing on the record.
>
>       Sean


Sean.
That record is $300 because it is deleted, therefore a collector's item.

If you are just interested in the music itself, and have an MP3 player on
your computer, check out:

http//www.holdman.com/mwh

The whole MWH part of the LP is on that site.
You can download and listen first, before buying that LP.

Oh yeah,  that is CD#4.

There are also other MWH rare CDs on that site too.

Tom
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From: Joern Haase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MP3 format.
Date: 05 Sep 1998 22:47:34 +0200


Hi Francis!

> Except for Simon Berthiaume, I didn't have any answer regarding the fact that
> I'm stuck with my old Windows 3.1 and I can't convert Wav file to MP3.

Did i get you right? You are looking for a program to convert waqvs into mp3s,
running DOS/Windows?  Try to find an old version of the DOS-Programm l3enc. The
new ones do not convert long files, but the older ones do well (with 112kbit/s).
I could sned you a copy, but i am stuck in a hospital for the next 3 or 4
weeks....

Maybe you can find something in the net, if not please contact me aagain, later.

cu
joern





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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Safety Dance cover
Date: 07 Sep 1998 12:16:57 -0600


S..s..s..s..A..a..a..a..F..f..f..f..E..e..e..e..T..t..t..t..Y..y..y..y

SAFETY DANCE  (600x600 pixels!)

come and get it!
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From: "MAX JONES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) im new
Date: 07 Sep 1998 19:50:58 PDT


Hi all i am new to this list is any one out there traders of items ?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) finally, I've found one
Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT)



    It has been hinted to me that somebody on the Ithaca College
campus, other than myself, has an interest in Men Without Hats.
Apparently, this person has a poster. I will, and you can quote me on
this, I will find them.

    collin






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            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Men Without Hats T-shirt
Date: 06 Sep 1998 17:31:55 EDT


My boyfriend's birthday is coming up, and he is a huge Men Without Hats fan.
Of course, he has been searching for a T-shirt to advertise his addiction for
quite some time, and he has been unable to find one.  So, to make him extra
happy, I'd like to give him one.  Could you please send me some info. on a
shirt, sticker...whatever there is out there ASAP.  His birthday is in less
than a month (Oct. 4), and I know that'd be the perfect gift for him.
Sincerely,
Susan Francis
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) CD #9 for Sale Yet?
Date: 09 Sep 1998 00:51:37 EDT


Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a bit and I just popped by the MP3
archive and downladed some of the tunes from CD#9.  I was wondering if this CD
is ready for sale yet?


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From: Gary Mattheu <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on St Denis
Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT)


Spoke to Ivan yesterday, he said he's busy recording with Kevin Kamoda
on The UPM album, with his new wife Irene.
Eggman.




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From: Claude =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) News from the brothers
Date: 11 Sep 1998 22:09:52 -0500


Hi all.

I just spent some time with Ivan and Colin. They let me visit their "secret"
studio and Colin introduced me to Kevin Komoda as the president of the Hat's
fanclub (???). They got me an advanced copy of UFORIA'S new release. For more info:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/home_mwh.html

Take care

Claude


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From: Billy Bob The Moonshine Man <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD search
Date: 11 Sep 1998 23:35:08 -0600 (MDT)


i was wondering if anyone out there had an extra copy of "Pop Goes The
World", or if you know where i could pick one up.  my brothers old tape
finally gave out, so i no longer have it.  let me know if you have one.
thanks

Billy Bob The Moonshine Man

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Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. (And nuclear weapons)

It goes without saying that...

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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) viewing resolution
Date: 12 Sep 1998 11:33:23 -0500


To all:

This question is only partly hats related, but here goes:  I've been
thinking of creating my own MWH page at some point.  I've always used a
monitor resolution setting of 640 x 480 when designing my web pages, but
I've recently had several people tell me that I ought to start
formatting them for proper viewing at a resolution of 800 x 600, since
that is now allegedly the most popular "viewing standard".  If that's
the case, I want to create my hats page, as well as others, at the
higher resolution.  I'd much appreciate any advice that the list's other
web authors could offer on this matter.

Cameron Campbell



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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) viewing resolution
Date: 12 Sep 1998 21:29:35 +0100


>To all:
>
>This question is only partly hats related, but here goes:  I've been
>thinking of creating my own MWH page at some point.  I've always used a
>monitor resolution setting of 640 x 480 when designing my web pages, but
>I've recently had several people tell me that I ought to start
>formatting them for proper viewing at a resolution of 800 x 600, since
>that is now allegedly the most popular "viewing standard".  If that's
>the case, I want to create my hats page, as well as others, at the
>higher resolution.  I'd much appreciate any advice that the list's other
>web authors could offer on this matter.
>
>Cameron Campbell
i use 1024x768 on my iMac (15" screen) but a higher res on the BigMac's
21".  Go with the highest res you can - more people will enjoy the res!
My current wallpaper is a huge hats logo - downloaded from the current
'fav' hats site...  Just wondering where to send the royalty too!!

  }:-)



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I found a MWH poster!  (kind of)
Date: 13 Sep 1998 13:33:09 -0400 (EDT)


Hi everyone,

I was in a record store (where they sell 45s) yesterday and came across one
of "O Sole Mio".  It had a picture sleeve and it said "Limited Edition
Fold-Out Picture Pack".  The sticker on the sleeve of the record (the little
bag the store keeps the 45 in to protect it from any damage) says "Last
copy" but I don't know if that means the last in the world or just in the
store :D  Anyway, I guess this comes close to being a genuine MWH poster.
The picture is interesting.  It reminds me of one of U2 albums (the one
where their faces are close-up, the black bars on top and bottm of the
picture).  The picture is in black and white and everyone is standing on the
roof of a building. Everyone is at different distances from the camera. From
left to right:  a smiling older man playing the accordian (kind of reminds
me of the picture of Ivan's father on one of the websites), a person who
appears to be the little guy in the Saftey Dance video (he looks like Ivan a
bit!) complete with the t-shirt but wearing a bandana, jeans, and jacket
liek Ivan.  Followed by Bruce Murphy with violin then the Jenny persona (the
older one), le Bonhomme (no drums), Ivan holding a baby, Stefan wearing the
Freeways concert t-shirt under his white jacket, a little girl (I guess it's
the younger "Jenny") in a ballerina costume, then a toddler then another guy
(I guess it's Colin?).  No one is looking in the same direction (although,
most are wearing sunglasses or a big bonhomme head!).  I can scan this for
anyone who would like a copy.

When folded, on the back of the picture sleeve are the lyrics and a balck
and white picture of Ivan.  The front has a really big O. I guess it's a
play on the usual no hats logo without the slash and hat guy.  B-side is
"Lose My Way".


====


I was in Tower records yesterday and picked up a copy of their free magazine
and saw a page ad by Oglio Records (hi Carl!).  Tina Louise made an
album?!!??!?!  For those who don't recognize her name, she played "Ginger"
on "Gilligan's Island".

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) viewing resolution
Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:54:44 -0600


> My current wallpaper is a huge hats logo - downloaded from the current
> 'fav' hats site...  Just wondering where to send the royalty too!!
>
>   }:-)

Hey moose,
Don't use that logo too much, your just spreading negative energy!  And your
prejudice against Rastafarians shows through!!!    ;-)

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) (logo)
Date: 14 Sep 1998 23:42:02 -0600


Senz wrote:

> Hey moose,
> Don't use that logo too much, your just spreading negative energy!  And your
> prejudice against Rastafarians shows through!!!    ;-)

I guess the above sounds pretty vague to anyone who hasn't heard CD9 yet.  Let
me elaborate.  The 21st Century promo single contains an interesting little
number (8, to be precise), which is a little snip of Ivan explaining why he
dropped the hats logo.  He says it gives off a negative energy similar to that
of a NO PARKING sign.  He goes on to mention that we get far too many of these
negative vibes everywhere we look.  (Hmmm, someone should write a song about
signs being everywhere saying do this and don't do that and can't you read the
sign.........naw, it'll never work.)  Furthermore, he goes on to tell us that a
group of racist Jamaicans are now using the hats logo (or a reasonable
facsimile) to ban Rastafarians from certain establishments. Rastafarians are the
Jamaican residents with African ancestry.  That use of the hats logo was the
final straw and Ivan will never use the symbol again, end of discussion.
Where does that leave us devout MWHer's who have for so long been blinded by
this crazy evil logo.  It really sounds like Ivan strongly believes that the
whole logo thing was a big mistake on his part and wishes he never used it in
the first place.  Now, I think about all those times I proudly displayed it in
public and wonder how many African Jamaican's I've offended or perhaps put some
poor suicidal soul over the edge because he/she saw one too many "DON'T DO THAT"
signs.
Gee, Ivan, we were only dancing if we wanted to....no harm in that.  Is there?

Senz

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Hats logo
Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:58:58 EDT


<<Furthermore, he goes on to tell us that a
group of racist Jamaicans are now using the hats logo (or a reasonable
facsimile) to ban Rastafarians from certain establishments. Rastafarians are
the
Jamaican residents with African ancestry.  That use of the hats logo was the
final straw and Ivan will never use the symbol again, end of discussion.>>

Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.

Angie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats logo
Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:26:16 EDT


In a message dated 9/15/98 7:20:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
>  and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.
>
>  Angie


Well DONE!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) (logo)
Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:25:26 EDT


>  It really sounds like Ivan strongly believes that the whole logo thing was
a big mistake   >  on his part and wishes he never used it in the first place.

Then how does that explain the usage of that very same logo spinning 'round
the turntable for "Open Your Eyes"?

Hmmm?

Chew on THAT a while, hatters!  ;-)


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats logo
Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:52:18 -0600


> <<Furthermore, he goes on to tell us that a
> group of racist Jamaicans are now using the hats logo (or a reasonable
> facsimile) to ban Rastafarians from certain establishments. Rastafarians are
> the
> Jamaican residents with African ancestry.  That use of the hats logo was the
> final straw and Ivan will never use the symbol again, end of discussion.>>
>
> Excuse my ignorance but I fail to make a connection between Rastafarians
> and a picture of a guy in an old-fashioned black "bowler" hat.
>
> Angie
>

It's hard for me to see any real connection either!
But Ivan did see that connection and as a result it became a reason for dropping
the logo.
He explains this clearly on his "21st Century" CD promo.
It's a bit weird but who knows, maybe there's some method to his madness.

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) (logo)
Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:24:41 -0600


> >  It really sounds like Ivan strongly believes that the
> >  whole logo thing was a big mistake on his part and wishes he never used it
> > in
> >  the first place.
>
> Then how does that explain the usage of that very same logo spinning 'round
> the turntable for "Open Your Eyes"?
>
> Hmmm?
>
> Chew on THAT a while, hatters!  ;-)
>

Well, (and I'm only suggesting a possibility here) that situation seems like Ivan
is more or less eluding to the logo and not really associating himself with it.
It's like he might be saying, "there's pop music playing at this party", or "I'm
the guy who used to be MWH".  I don't think he's saying "this logo represents me
or my band", though.  Or, maybe he's just trying to make us diehard hatters feel
good!  Or hey, better yet, maybe he's changed his mind!!!  (again)

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) update on boots
Date: 16 Sep 1998 08:47:01 -0600


I have been getting lots of mail asking if cds 6,7,9 are available yet.

I do alot of freelance work outside of my normal job and things have been real
busy. I hope to start working on the artwork this weekend and get it printed
sometime next week.

I will post a message when the cds are available.

-Richard


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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats page URL change
Date: 16 Sep 1998 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT)


For anyone that links to my quickly-getting-out-of-date MWH webpage,
the URL has changed

FROM: http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/

  TO: http://home.att.net/~indoors/menwithouthats/

Updates & upgrades soon..

Jim
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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Front cover of 21st Century CD promo
Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:07:15 -0600


I've added the cover of the 21st Century CD promo to my website with the kind
permission from those individuals involved in making CD#9.  Thanks guys.
It has been reduced in size to 600x600 for your viewing pleasure!!!  :-)

Senz

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Gallery of Cover Art . . .

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Non-hats related
Date: 17 Sep 1998 18:40:49 EDT


Hey list-

I had luck with my cactus world news request, so I am going to try this again.
I am loking for a copy (cd preferably of):

Love and Rockets- 4 song EP that had God and Mr. Smith, Inside the Outside,
etc.

Real Life - don't know the name of the album, but had Catch me Im Falling and
Send me an Angel.  Any help would be appreciated.

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Useless Stats on MWH mp3 web page
Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:13:53 -0600


I just looked at my logs for my web site and here are some stats.
These stats are taken from the past 3 months for my mwh page at
www.holdman.com/mwh

Total data downloaded - 17.5 gig
Total Hits to the site - 163928
Total amount of people that have visted the site - 7130
Most popular Album downloaded - CD2_freeways_live
  (Downloaded 1050 times)
2nd most popular Album downloaded - CD1_Freeways
  (Download 1010 times)

Average amount of data that gets downloaded per day - 292 meg
Average amount of people that visit the site per day - 80

As you can see the site is getting hit really hard. It also comes as no surprise
that the most popular song downloaded is the safety dance. Every CD that has
a version of the safety dance is downloaded the most.

The version of the safety dance on CD2 seems to be the most popular version
being downloaded by 1311 different people in the past 90 days.

You can also access these songs via ftp at ftp.holdman.com using mwh for the
username and password. I have not looked at the logs for these yet but I am
sure it adds at least another 100megs

It seems like the webpage is being spread across the web. Recently I visted a
web site (http://www.audioforge.net/  - click on the rare and live links) that has
a list of several sites with hard to find stuff. I saw a link for Men without hats
and clicked on it and it took me to my site. :)

It the future I might not be able to handle the load of downloads when it starts
to increase. Is there anybody out there that has a fast connection and lots of
disk space (about 300 megs). This way we could mirror my site and help
distribute the load. your server would have to be able to serve about 200-300
megs per day. If you are intrested in becoming a mirror site please send me a
e-mail.

-Richard


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Subject: (hats) RE: Useless Stats on MWH mp3 web page
Date: 18 Sep 1998 13:11:51 -0400


Thank you again, Richard, for making the MP3's available to all of us!
Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to be able mirror your site --
sorry!

I did want to pass on this, though:

You wrote:
> You can also access these songs via ftp at ftp.holdman.com
> using mwh for the username and password.

If you want to get there from a web browser, use the following URL:

ftp://mwh:[e-mail]/

I just tested it out, and it worked for me.

That's all!

Steve
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From: "Darryl Andrews" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pls. put me on list
Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:32:30 -0400


Men Without Hats fans seeks same.

Thanks,
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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH GUITAR TABLATURE!!!!
Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT)


ATTENTION ALL HATTERS!!
The Men Without Hats Guitar Chord Archive is finally available!
It's taken a long time but now it's here and I encourage everyone to check
it out.  It's not just for guitarists but all fans and musicians.
Now you can pick up your guitar, piano, ukelele or whatever and play just
like Ivan, Stefan and Colin.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/music/

Since I tend to be a bit of a lurker I'll take this chance to re-introduce
my self to the list.
My name is Christopher Frey, or Chris or "C.Frey" or just Frey.
I'm a senior at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, MI.  I grew up in
the east side suburbs of Detroit, have played guitar for about 8 years and
love MWH.  I'm majoring in History but have applied to U-M's School of
Information to do archives, digital manuscript preservation, or something
like that.
I think Ivan is a brilliant writer, poet, singer, musician and hope this
project will spread the awesome sounds of MWH.  (btw, finally got the
Spell and love it!  "Chain reaction" is amazing.  a lot of it sounds like
the so-called "early synth era" of MWH!  you know before the days of 21st
Century and Sideways which made me realize "hey, we could TAB this..."
;-) )
Anyway, please check it out,  and if you have comments, please reply to me
directly as I get the sometimes slow digest version of the list.

HATLESSLY,
C.Frey

PS My apologies to Charlie Garbowski if he's still here.  Better late than
never, huh?!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) a little confusion
Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:05:37 -0400 (EDT)



    So the one thing I've always been a little confused with is the
whole FOTE I and Freeways. Did the Freeways LP come out in 85....5 years
after its original release?
     Was this a remix of the one on the FOTE LP?

    And in the Freeways Live '85 in Montreal, why are they promoting
Freeways and not Fote III.

    Did the Freeways LP sell at all?
    Can you still get it? (other than the bootleg)

    One more question....what is this new project Ivan is working
on...with Rational Youth.

    One more question...sorry...but on the bootlegs, we have remixes
of PGTW and Moonbeam from the singles. Were there any other singles that
have remixes on them that we could somehow obtain? Any chance of getting
the IVAN singles on there?

    Ok...I've fed the group some questions.


collin from ithaca





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            young boy sharply in the eye
            and said, "How come out of all
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            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a little confusion
Date: 21 Sep 1998 08:51:28 -0700


<<So the one thing I've always been a little confused with is the whole FOTE
I and Freeways. Did the Freeways LP come out in 85....5 years after its
original release?>>

Apparently this is the case as the Freeways "EP" is copyrighted 1985. I'm
not sure about the history of the different mixes of Freeways (the song),
but the Freeways "EP" was the first time they were released.

<<Was this a remix of the one on the FOTE LP?>>

I don't think they were remixed, but Antartica is slightly different on the
original FOTE...it fades out completely as opposed to the abrupt ending that
it has on Freeways.

<<Did the Freeways LP sell at all? Can you still get it? (other than the
bootleg)>>

I had never seen it in any store until last weekend on a trip to Vancouver
B.C. Where I found a pristine copy in a used record store and just about
fainted. I may be wrong, but it is my impression that this cassette is quite
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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) (Fwd) Safety Dance
Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:55:44 -0600


Here is a message I got from someone about my site. I told him to go ahead=
 an
record his band doing safety dance so we could all hear it. I will let you=
 know if
and when he sends it to me.

-Richard


Dear Richard,

thanks for a great site!!!

The band I used to play in (I=92m a guitarist/singer) used to play Safety
Dance about 15 years ago. I split the band three years ago, and next
saturday the band (that=92s been together for 25 years) plays the last
gig, and the guys asked me to sit in for a set and do "Safety Dance" and
some other songs.
We have a rehearsal tomorrow, so I was trying to chase down this song as
I didn=92t remember all the changes and words. Yahoo > music search > Men
Without Hats links and there I was!! Safety Dance in about four
different live versions. Great!

We might record that last gig, so if you want me to, I can send you a
mp3 file of our version.

Thanks and keep up the great work.

Best regards,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) what?
Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT)



    Is anybody familiar with the CD "The Very Best of Men Without
Hats?"

    It's not the Greatest Hats and it's not Collection. Here is the
track listing:

1.The safety dance
   2.Living in China
   3.I got the message
   4.Where do the boys go?
   5.Antarctica
   6.Folk of the 80's
   7.I like
   8.No dancing
   9.The great ones Remember
   10.Eurotheme
  11.Unsatisfaction
  12.Cocoricci (Le tango des voleurs)
  13.Things in my life
  14.Messiahs die young
  15.I know their name
  16.I sing last / Not for tears


Can somebody get this. I'd love to see the art on it.



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            young boy sharply in the eye
            and said, "How come out of all
            the houses in the village, yours
            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) a little confusion
Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:25:35 EDT



In 1980, MWH released FOTE part I.  4 songs on an 10 inches vinyl.

After the success of ROY (who was suppose to be named FOTE part II until one
month before the release), and FOTE part II, Marc Durand (former MWH manager)
decided to release the very first vinyl with different remixes of Freeway.

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) ROY, FOTE and FREEWAYS.....  What about PGTW and 21st... (forget sideways)
Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:36:10 EDT


Everything is in the subject.

I'm wondering why there is a lot of bootlegs going around of MWH the first
generation (1980 to 1985)   and WHY there is NOTHING on PGTW, 21st, and EV=
EN
Sideways!

No demos, no show, ?????

Do we have to paye the big bucks!?!?!? ehehehe


Francis

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From: "DAVE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: what?
Date: 22 Sep 1998 10:44:31 +0200


I own "The Very Best of Men Without Hats".
It is a compilation of some songs of "Folk Of The 80's III" and "Rhythm Of
Youth".
It is (C) and (P) 1997 by CMC Records under license of Oglio Records.
Nothing new, but a must to have.
The Cover Art is not much different from "The COllection".
The MWH Logo is a little bit smaller and the background is a little bit more
orange.
Very interesting are the Words on the inside which are:
Dancing and singing they came back in 1982, who were these strangers without
headwear causing the floors to move to a most unusual swaying rhythm?
"You can dance if you want to..." of course we could, we didn't need them to
tell us that, but what exactly was, or indeed is The Safetay Dance and does
it involve the wearing of a condom or was it  a more serious anti nuclear
message as hinted in the video?

Very little is written in the history books about the band from canada, who
paved the way for alternative rock from this part of the world - would
alanis morisette have received the same support without them?

Canada after all isn't renowned for it's international names in Rock, Bryan
Adams, Celine Dion, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell are not many considering the
Counry's proximity to the USA. So I put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and
puffing on my pipe this is what i discovered:


Men without hats were formed in Montreal - Canada in 1980, the brainchild of
singer Ivan and drummer Jeremy Arrobas, not the most usual set up for a
group - one singer and one drummer so thats where the synth machine came in
very handy and also explains their rather distinctive sound.

Men Without Hats' first release was an EP on their own label titled "FOT
80's", not only did this grab a lot of attention in their homeland, Stiff
Records in London, well known for their love of the creative, also released
it in Britain as a single along with an edited version of "Antarctica".

It's a highly priced collector's item these days. Just after this Jeremy
decided he had had enough of life in the fast lane of pop stardomand quit,
leaving Ivan to write the songs and work with brothers Stephan and Colin
Doroschuk joined by Allan McCarthy on drums.

In 1983 MWH released the annoyingly catchy singe "Safety Dance", whoch
became a huge hit both in the clubs and on the radio, reaching No. 3 in the
USA and No. 6 in The UK, not only launching the group in Europe but a new
label - Statik Records too. Following the success of "Safety Dance" their
debut album "Rhythm Of Youth" saw the light of day; it was a mayor success
in the USA, reaching No. 14 in the Billbord Chart.

Three more singles "Living in China", "I Got The Message" and the full
version of "Antarctica" were released from the album, all of which have
become cult classics.

MWH's second album "Folk Of The 80's Part III" (whatever happened to Part
II?) was incredibly well received by the rock critics and their fans alike
and contained the hit single "Where Do The Boys Go?". All this  was pre CD
and a picture disc of the second album is also reported to exist on vinyl.

The CD you are holding marks the first time that "ROY" and "FOEIII" has ever
been released as a double package, in fact neither album has ever been
properly released on CD before.

A strictly limited edition of 500 copies of each was made in the UK in the
late 80's - today they sell for between $700 - $1000 each.

Treasure your copy of two of the finest albums ever produced in canada -
maybe one day this too will become a valuable collectors item!



Aouch, think this was my largest EMail ever written.

For those who didn't know the cover inside - text, hope you enjoyed it.
For those who did know the text, think you read it again...


OK, best regards

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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: what?
Date: 22 Sep 1998 04:20:57 PDT


This release was issued in the Far East last year, and is the first two
albums without Mother's Opionion, Ban the Game, the Great Ones Remember
Reprise and one other (I like, I think). A couple of things firstly I
have never seen any mention of Antartica on the Stiff Label, I have read
a couple of discographies of Stiff records, and none mention it., has
anyone ever seen it ? Also if anybody wants my copy of  FOTE3 on CD for
$700 it's their's !

Also this month Men Without Hats are featured in the UK's Q magazine in
the 'Where are they now' section featuring an interview with Ivan and is
very, well fairly interesting. Apparently Collin Doroschuk worked in a
circus for a while washing dishes for a 'dose of reality'. The thing
about Where are they now series in Q is that the featured artist's alway
talk up what they've been up to, so Ivan mentions he's formed the UFOria
record label but fails to say that so far it hasn't released anything.

Does anybody want me to transcibe the whole article ?


Alan



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It is a compilation of some songs of "Folk Of The 80's III" and "Rhythm
Of
Youth".
It is (C) and (P) 1997 by CMC Records under license of Oglio Records.
Nothing new, but a must to have.
The Cover Art is not much different from "The COllection".
The MWH Logo is a little bit smaller and the background is a little bit
more
orange.
Very interesting are the Words on the inside which are:
SNIP !

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Subject: (hats) selling that cd
Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:25:49 -0400 (EDT)



    Does anybody know if they are still selling "The Very Best of Men
Without Hats." Is it obtainable in America. Not another FOTE III/ROY
nightmare.

    IF somebody knows....please do share.

    Thanx.

Collin f/ ithaca






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            young boy sharply in the eye
            and said, "How come out of all
            the houses in the village, yours
            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
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From: "Sean Smid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) merchandise
Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:55:45 PDT


Well, I know this question has been asked before but I haven't seen
anybody post a public answer to it so I shall ask again.  Does anybody
know where I can purchase Men Without Hats merchandise (t-shirt, poster,
sticker, records, anything)?  I would absolutely love to have any sort
of Men Without Hats items. Thanks.

    Sean

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) who????
Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:17:47 -0400 (EDT)


Thank you Dave for sharing with us the liner notes to "The Very Best of Men
Without Hats".  Nice title for a CD which contains two albums :)

>Very little is written in the history books about the band from canada, who
>paved the way for alternative rock from this part of the world - would
>alanis morisette have received the same support without them?

Ahem...I would never ever subject a great group like Men Without Hats to
comparing them to such a "singer" like that woman.

>In 1983 MWH released the annoyingly catchy singe "Safety Dance", whoch
>became a huge hit both in the clubs and on the radio, reaching No. 3 in the
>USA and No. 6 in The UK, not only launching the group in Europe but a new
>label - Statik Records too. Following the success of "Safety Dance" their

Actually, does anyone know what other releases Statik did?


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From: "DAVE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Very Best OF MWH
Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:37:35 +0200


Hi Collin !

I purchased that CD at a german CD Store for DM 19,95. That might be 11 US$
or 8 Pounds UK.

Here's their website:

http://www.jpc.de

I think they ship overseas.

Good Luck

CUL8R

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From: Evan Bescan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH T-Shirts
Date: 23 Sep 1998 13:33:34 -0700 (PDT)


Hello Laura,
    While searching for MWH sites, I over-came a F.A.Q. that mentioned
that you were selling or distributing MWH t-shirts that had the logo
on the front and "The Great Ones Remember" on the back.  It would be
great if I could purchase one of those from you.  If you are still
giving them away, just tell me the price and I will figgure out a way
to buy one from you.  Thanks a lot!!  I hope you "Get The Message" and
I hope the "Message Is Good!"  Cya later.

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Subject: (hats) HELP!!-from a new lister
Date: 23 Sep 1998 18:35:40 EDT


Hello MWOH FANS!!
I'm brand new to the list.  I'm a big 80's music fan.  I am hoping one of you
can help me with my quest to find a MWOH CD that may or may not exist.
Supposedly, Oglio records put out a 2 for 1 CD with the MWOH albums Rhythm of
Youth and Folk of the 80's on it.  It did not get released in the US due to
legalities, but it has been reported that it was released outside the US.  I
can find no website that sells imports that lists this CD. Can anyone tell me
if this is true, does this 2fer CD exist? If it does, can anyone help me get a
copy?  I will gladly pay all costs involved or I could work a trade for some
CD that one of you are looking for.  I have a CDR, and I do have some great
rare b-side comps of Swervedriver, the FIXX, the Charlatans UK, Radiohead,
Curve, Catherine Wheel, Suede to trade. Please, if anyone can give me any
info, it will be greatly appreciated!! THANKS!!
-PD


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Website and bootleg update.
Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:15:41 -0600


Hello Crew.

Everysingle bootleg is now up on the website at http://www.holdman.com/mwh
I just put CD6 online so now all cds are online 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and a few
other songs that are not on the CDs (covers done by other bands, videos,
etc.)

If you find any problems PLEASE email me.

I am currently working on the artwork for CDs 5,6,9 and I hope to have it
all done y this weekend. I should be able to take orders for these cds next
week. When they re available I will post another message to the mailing
list.

All Cds will be $15 each to cover the burning, shipping, printing, etc.

I will also be making a CD-ROM with all 9 bootleg CDS in mp3 format with
Some other goodies. I hope to make it PC and MAC format (I have both at
home). If anybody has any experience doing this please let me know so I dont
have to learn it all on my own :) - This CD will also have Color Artwork and
you should be able to order it soon. The CD-rom will also be $15. If you
dont mind listening to them on your computer the CD-ROM might be the way to
go since you will get all the bootlegs on one CD. You can also use software
to convert the mp3s back into wav/aiff so you can burn your own discs.

Well enough of me talking....

If you have any questions please let me know. Oh.. Also be sure to check out
my temp Timpanogos WEBCAM - Its a camera set up on top of my house showing
you what the weather is like in Pleasant Grove, Utah. The URL is
http://www.holdman.com/timpcam Please tell me what you think of it.

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Website and bootleg update.
Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:15:41 -0600


Hello Crew.

Everysingle bootleg is now up on the website at http://www.holdman.com/mwh
I just put CD6 online so now all cds are online 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and a few
other songs that are not on the CDs (covers done by other bands, videos,
etc.)

If you find any problems PLEASE email me.

I am currently working on the artwork for CDs 5,6,9 and I hope to have it
all done y this weekend. I should be able to take orders for these cds next
week. When they re available I will post another message to the mailing
list.

All Cds will be $15 each to cover the burning, shipping, printing, etc.

I will also be making a CD-ROM with all 9 bootleg CDS in mp3 format with
Some other goodies. I hope to make it PC and MAC format (I have both at
home). If anybody has any experience doing this please let me know so I dont
have to learn it all on my own :) - This CD will also have Color Artwork and
you should be able to order it soon. The CD-rom will also be $15. If you
dont mind listening to them on your computer the CD-ROM might be the way to
go since you will get all the bootlegs on one CD. You can also use software
to convert the mp3s back into wav/aiff so you can burn your own discs.

Well enough of me talking....

If you have any questions please let me know. Oh.. Also be sure to check out
my temp Timpanogos WEBCAM - Its a camera set up on top of my house showing
you what the weather is like in Pleasant Grove, Utah. The URL is
http://www.holdman.com/timpcam Please tell me what you think of it.

-Richard Holdman



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From: Toren Valimir <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) HELP!!-from a new lister
Date: 23 Sep 1998 20:23:30 -0800


>Supposedly, Oglio records put out a 2 for 1 CD with the MWOH albums Rhythm of
>Youth and Folk of the 80's on it.  It did not get released in the US due to
>legalities, but it has been reported that it was released outside the US.  I
>can find no website that sells imports that lists this CD. Can anyone tell me
>if this is true, does this 2fer CD exist?

Yes, this CD does exist. According to a friend of mine it is availible in
the UK.
I do not know if it is availible in Canada,  but I would say try giving
the HMV
MegaStore a call, and they may be able to import it. At one point I had
the
number but I cannot find it right now... but fear not.

You can obtain the phone number by calling 1-800-555-1212
and asking for "HMV Megastore, Canada"

I was able to obtain "Sideways" & "...21st Century" through them....>8)

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) HELP!!-from a new lister
Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:23:58 +0000


Hi hatters!

Some folks have asked about the 2-fer and T's.  I'm the T lady and
have become the surrogate 2-fer person.

The 2-fer is not available in the US or Canada, but I arranged to get
some via Mike Best in England (you're a god, Moose!).  If you are
interested in a 2-fer, email me privately *next week*.  I'm in the
middle of a pinch at work, a vet crisis, a remodeling my kitchen
crisis, and I'm going out of town this weekend.  AAAAACK!

T's come in 2 colors (white or gold) and 2 sizes (XL or XXL).  I am
currently putting people on a waiting list, since some people who
ordered in April then left on school holidays or whatever and
haven't picked uptheir orders.  Again, email me privately *next
week*.  I can't deal with any more stress right now.

Thx for being understanding that I haven't jumped all over these
emails before . . .

:-) Laura


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) HELP!!-from a new lister
Date: 24 Sep 1998 18:29:42 +0100


>(you're a god, Moose!).
yeah, I know!!

  }:-)



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From: "Rod MacQuarrie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: hats-digest V2 #92
Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:46:07 -0400


I remember walking into a record store in 1985 and seeing the Freeways LP
and cassette at the front of the store as a new item. They wanted like
$24.99 for it. I never bought it because it was so expensive and had only a
few tracks. Personally I think it was a bad marketing move and sent MWH down
the road to obscurity.

Rod



In 1980, MWH released FOTE part I.  4 songs on an 10 inches vinyl.

After the success of ROY (who was suppose to be named FOTE part II until one
month before the release), and FOTE part II, Marc Durand (former MWH
manager)
decided to release the very first vinyl with different remixes of Freeway.

Ciao

Francis



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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH music page update
Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT)


Bonjour--
I found a break in one of the links to the Guitar chords page, but fixed
it.  What do you think of the page?  Any bugs I need to fix, or notational
discrepancies?  What say the synth players?

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/music/mwh/main.html

hatlessly,
C.Frey



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Hey~~~
Date: 25 Sep 1998 18:25:52 EDT


Where can I get a Men Without Hats t-shirt?????? I would love to have one!
Thanks.
Patrick


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) to all
Date: 26 Sep 1998 12:02:44 -0400 (EDT)



    Does anybody on this list live in Germany????


Collin






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            And the old man looked at the
            young boy sharply in the eye
            and said, "How come out of all
            the houses in the village, yours
            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
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From: "DAVE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: to all
Date: 27 Sep 1998 12:01:48 +0200


Yes Collin !

I do.

Greetinx

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) ?
Date: 28 Sep 1998 14:08:06 -0400 (EDT)



    Does anybody know why Ivan's voice sounds so horrible in the ROY
Live boot? Also he flubs lines in Great Ones Remember and Safety Dance. In
Ideas for Walls, he practically loses his voice. Yeah, by the end, moderne
dancing and things in my life sound good....

any comments?






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            And the old man looked at the
            young boy sharply in the eye
            and said, "How come out of all
            the houses in the village, yours
            is the only one left standing?"
            "Ah," said the young boy, "The
            great ones remember."
            ******************************



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) ?
Date: 28 Sep 1998 19:08:42 EDT


'
I also think that sometimes ivan's voice sounds rather notsogood when he
performs live. i do not know why. notice on the video tape with some excerpts
of the sideways show live how his voice is rather ....well- unmelodic?! sounds
kind of like he is sort of talking and singing at the same time. does it in
the ivan show that was recorded also.  listening to david bowie doing it right
now too.

Ivan also messes up lines regularly live. he does it in the freeways show.
Cause the way he writes is he says very similar things in different parts of
the song.
example: we can dance if we want to     we can leave your friends behind
              "                                      "    we've got all your
life and mine
              "                                      "    night is young and
so am i
and so on
it can be difficult to remember which one goes where, especially when one is
in a state of mind sort of outside of time.............

  just my thoughts on the matter.

anyone elses?


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From: Toren Valimir <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ?
Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:03:57 -0000


personally, i think that half of it is artistic licence to purposefully
alter lyrics for concert... i mean no one want's to see a concert
that is exactly like the record, right..? sure he could have simply
screwed up the lyrics (alot of bands do) but ask yourself if it
could have been intentional... it could change your perspctive

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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ?
Date: 29 Sep 1998 09:34:30 -0400


I too have noticed that Ivan has occasional "voice trouble" and misses
lines live.  Could he maybe suffer from at least mild stage fright?  If you
watch some live recordings he looks uncomfortable, misses words, and even
appears to shake sometimes.

If memory serves, at the Toronto show in 1997 he got several lines mixed
up, particularly in Open Your Eyes.  I also think he didn't look very
comfortable up there.

I dunno, maybe he does like to mix things up a little for variety or
artistic license.

Any more thoughts??

Brad


>    Does anybody know why Ivan's voice sounds so horrible in the ROY
>Live boot? Also he flubs lines in Great Ones Remember and Safety Dance. In
>Ideas for Walls, he practically loses his voice. Yeah, by the end, moderne
>dancing and things in my life sound good....
>
>any comments?
>
Brad Hull
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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ?
Date: 29 Sep 1998 15:38:43 +0200


I have always been thinking that MWH live performances are
very good, including Ivan's singing. I think that the way
he sings differently (thinking more about phrasing (changing tones etc)
than mixing lines) in concert compared to the studio versions
is because he puts more emotion into the singing and I really like that.

I was really happily surprised by the good live performance of MWH
when I first heard of it (the boots). Many other synth band from the
same period are not very talented live musicians and I had a fear that
would go for MWH as well.

The mixing of lines though, might, to some degree, be because of
that Ivan doesnt manage to remember correctly. But sometimes
I beleive it's intentional.

/PJ.




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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) sale/trade 21stCentury single promo??
Date: 19 Sep 1998 12:09:18 -0700 (PDT)


Hi,

..if someone has an original copy of the "21st Century" single promo
and is willing to sell it - or trade for almost any other Hats item -
please let me know!

Thanks,

Jim
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