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From: Stan Howe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in Calgary Canada day
Date: 01 Jul 1998 06:56:03 -0600


  I just heard an interview Ivan gave to Power 107 in Calgary reguarding his
Canada day show at Olympic plaza. He said he will be playing a mix of old
MWH, material from "The Spell", and material from his new project, which he
has teamed up with Kevin Komoda. Kevin played synth with  "Rational Youth"
in the eighties. For the Calgary show  it is being called Ivan and the
Ultimate Pop Machine. It should be a great show.



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in Calgary Canada day
Date: 01 Jul 1998 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT)



>in the eighties. For the Calgary show  it is being called Ivan and the
>Ultimate Pop Machine. It should be a great show.

Nice name :)  With a name like that, does he expect to be taken seriously? :)

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Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in Calgary Canada day
Date: 01 Jul 1998 22:25:31 EDT


> in the eighties. For the Calgary show  it is being called Ivan and the
> Ultimate Pop Machine. It should be a great show.
>
>  Nice name :)  With a name like that, does he expect to be taken seriously?
:)
>
kinda smacks of "Joseph and The/His *???* Technicolour Dreamcoat"...
at any rate, it should be a good show!

;-)
Charlotte


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From: Chris Dalton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Any Toronto dates?
Date: 01 Jul 1998 22:56:07 -0700


Does anyone know if Ivan will be playing in Toronto this
summer?  (And if so, the dates?)  My wife is doing a two
month stint up there ... it would be great if I could
time a visit to see an Ivan show.

The Spell seems to be selling pretty well. My wife bought
a copy for me ... and the first two record stores she
tried were sold out ("oh, we had a bunch earlier this
week, but they're gone").

Thanx,
Chris


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in Calgary Canada day
Date: 02 Jul 1998 23:40:42 EDT


thanks to steve jackson...who reminded me that it was, in fact, an AMAZING
techincolour dreamcoat!
*lol*

ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) LAURA...ROY/FOE3
Date: 03 Jul 1998 13:17:01 -0700


Laura:

I was told to ask you about getting my hands on a 2fer.
is this possible and could i get a price, I will have to pay in cash.

thanx
Michelle



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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A small question a wee bit off the topic...
Date: 03 Jul 1998 17:54:14 -0700


Remeber the music video server that someone (Holdman?) had put up a while
back...i was wondering what happend to it. I haven't been able to connect
for a while.  It was a great source of goodies, and i miss it -=).  Oh, BTW,
has anyone heard any rumours about a new album by Ivan or MWH?


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From: Stan Howe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Canada Day
Date: 04 Jul 1998 01:19:42 -0600


        Hi everyone, I went to the show in Calgary and it was great to see
Ivan perform. This was the third time for my self. The first was  about '82,
the second about 91 and for the second time in a row he performs without
...synths!! In fact I only recognized Sideways, On Tuesday, Open your eyes (
Ivan only sang the chorus), and of course the last song of the day The
Safety Dance all with guitars. Ivan, and Kevin Komoda played rythm and lead,
He had a female bass player, male drummer. and a female singer that sang the
most of the show. It looked like they were having alot of fun dispite a few
technical problems. This was a free outdoor concert put on by the city,  so
the sound was not the best. I took quite a few pictures  I hope they turn out.



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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2-4-1
Date: 04 Jul 1998 11:00:42 +0100


>Laura:
>
>I was told to ask you about getting my hands on a 2fer.
>is this possible and could i get a price, I will have to pay in cash.
oh no Boney - not more Import/Export duties?

}:-)
Mike



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan.... as IVAN
Date: 06 Jul 1998 21:24:35 EDT


Hey gang.

What do you think if I organize a Ivan show for September ???

We tried to have a MWH show in June but it was impossible, but as Ivan
himself, I guess there is no problem....

LEt me know

Francis


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan.... as IVAN
Date: 07 Jul 1998 01:02:58 EDT


Hey, I'd jump at the chance if we could pull it off.


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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 16 Jul 1998 16:47:03 -0700


There's a part in Treblinka where Ivan says "Jonley in America..."  What
does "jonely" mean?   I looked it up, couldn't find anything.  Am I even
getting the lyric right?


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 16 Jul 1998 22:33:10 EDT



it is, i believe "johnny in america"

with an accent making it a bit difficult to hear properly.

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:13:05 -0700


>it is, i believe "johnny in america"

So who the heck is Johnny?






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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) long time/no write
Date: 17 Jul 1998 00:49:05 EDT


    I'm finally back on this list. I haven't been on since I left school in may.
I have a couple of questions and comments I've kept in store for a while. I
hear the list is slow, so maybe somebody will read these.

    1.    Whoever did the CD with the bach appella version of Moonbeam did a great
job first of all. I was wondering if he/she could do that song like that, if
he/she could do others. And what is his/her name that did it?

    2.    Richard Holdman, can you get back to me? You sent me some CD's at
school...but I left before they arrived. I also owe you money for previous
ones.

    3.    I was in Montreal 2 weeks ago for Canada Day and the jazz festival and I
was wearing a MWH shirt and somebody came up to me and said they knew Jeremy
Arrobas' brother and was good friends with him. He was surprised I knew who
Arrobas was. This may not be weird to people on this list from Canada, but
almost nobody knows MWH in America so it hit me as quite a shock (And i know
that montreal is where the band originates, but still).

Collin from Ithaca


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ...more
Date: 17 Jul 1998 00:51:04 EDT


    Has there been any news on a new Ivan CD or getting some more bootleg CD's. I
have the worst connection to the internet so i'm assuming that there is still
only those 8 available still?

    Is Ivan still touring? If so, does anybody know when or where...and please
don't refer me to the TOX web site.





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Subject: (hats) Ivan singing for a movie?
Date: 17 Jul 1998 00:55:42 EDT


    There is a movie called "This Boy's Life" and it says that Ivan sings for it.
But it's a movie from 1992. Is there another Ivan that I don't know of?

    Also, I remember seeing Men WIthout Hats in a couple of movie soundtracks.
There was some weird cuts on there (it was from PGTW...like O Sole Mio or In
the Name of Angels)
    I know of Biodome but there was some older movies that had them on it.
Anybody know?

    Oh, and I got the Terre des Hommes CD from Mitsou....and it is, surprisingly,
very good!!! I admit i bought it b/c Ivan sings background on some tracks, but
the rest of the cd is very good as well. Is it true that Mitsou is the Madonna
of Canada only more slutty (sorry for lack of a better word).

Collin from Ithaca. (but really NJ right now)


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Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 17 Jul 1998 06:01:13 EDT




johnny is the personification of the male....

johnny is any man.

i was told that "Treblinka" was the name of a concentration camp run by
someone known as ivan the terrible or something of those sorts.

so i imagine the song is about  male trying desperately to be kind in his
romantic relations with women. trying to learn from past mistakes, but
continuing to fall down......


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Subject: Re: (hats) long time/no write
Date: 17 Jul 1998 06:04:39 EDT


hey- the alpella version is done by mwh. it is on the moonbeam 12" single.
last one on the second side......(5 total on the record) i can check later to
be absolutely positive. it may have been mixed by john luongo. he did
something on that release but i can not recall what it was at this moment.


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 17 Jul 1998 08:56:00 +0000


Hi Hatters!

Glad to see the list coming back to life . . .

The discussion about Johnny is interesting.  You know how first
names are different in different languages?  Like Peter is Pedro in
Spanish, Pierre in French, etc?  Anyway, IVAN is one of the
transliterations of the name JOHN (along with Jan, Ian, Sean, Jean,
Juan, and Ion to name a few).

Maybe there is some self-identification?

:-) Laura


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From: Robert Henke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) POP GOES THE WORLD
Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:08:41 -0400


To whom ever is running this page,
        Hello!!  My name is Tiffany, and I am from Hanover Pennsylvania.
My birthday is June 18, 1977 which makes me 21.  Right now I am trying
to remember all of the information you would like to have.  I am a huge
80's fan, and I absolutley adore Men Without Hats.  They have always
been one of my most favorite bands.  I got my first album from them when
I was ten the album "Pop Goes The World".  Ever since then I can't get
enough of Ivan Doroschuks' voice.  There music always lifts my spirits
and takes me back to the good old 80's.  Thanks for your time, and if
you care to respond please write to: [e-mail]

                      Thanks for the page and keep on groovin,

                                  Tiffany


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH in the movies
Date: 17 Jul 1998 14:27:32 EDT


The song "Pop Goes The World" is on the soundtrack of a movie which came out
in '87 or '88, called "Date With An Angel".
The movie was supposed to have been a real turkey.  Personally, I have never
seen it.
And of course, we all know of the "Safety Dance"/"Biodome" disaster.

Angie


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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 17 Jul 1998 14:06:42 -0500 (CDT)


On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> it is, i believe "johnny in america"

I must respectfully disagree.  Every time I hear this section (which is my
favorite part, it always makes me grin.. it feels just like Ivan to pull
something like this in the middle of an otherwise serious song) I just
hear:

only in america
lonely in america
h-only in america
j-only in america
america

I think it is just general silliness, one of the things I really like
about MwoH.  It seems to me most people stay away from silliness
altogether, but MwoH is always a little bit 'playful', I think.

I can just imagine the simple thinking that went into it "only.. ok,
lonely rhymes... what else rhymes?" and then just going and picking a
couple random consonants.  I'm sure we've all gone through the alphabet
trying on different letters at the beginning of a word to see what other
words rhyme with it.  I think "honly.. jonly.." are just part of an
experiment like this.. especially because h and j are consecutive
consonants when going through the alphabet.

...just another opinion.

Woody



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Treblinka/Mitsou/Quebecois Pop
Date: 17 Jul 1998 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT)


At 09:13 PM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>it is, i believe "johnny in america"
>
>So who the heck is Johnny?


What do you mean Barq has bite?



(sorry, couldn't resist)



>
>    Oh, and I got the Terre des Hommes CD from Mitsou....and it is, surprisingly,
>very good!!! I admit i bought it b/c Ivan sings background on some tracks, but
>the rest of the cd is very good as well. Is it true that Mitsou is the Madonna
>of Canada only more slutty (sorry for lack of a better word).

Well, when she was trying to get into the English Canandian scene, Madonna
was at the height of her shocking controversial ways ("Justify My Love").
From what I remember, the only similarites between her and Madonna is the
blonde hair.  To me, Mitsou is a big wannabe.  For "Terre des hommes" it
seems she finally decided to be herself.  She stopped dying her hair blonde
and looked much better as a brunette.  After her first single, she went back
to blonde and did a video topless.  It's somewhat tasteful, not dirty like
Madonna yet the video has nothing to do with the lyrics of the song.  I
think she used different attitudes towards nudity in English and Frnech
Cananda as her justification to the video.

Now, after reading this, you may think I am not a fan, but I am.  Well, I
only like her first two albums and I love the latter one.  It's too bad she
puts on the persona of a wannabe.  Someone on this list said Mitsou is to
music like Pamela Anderson is to acting.  I think Mitsou owns a chain of
pizzarias called Pizzadelic.

So, I am not sure but I think Mitsou is no longer as popular as she was
before so I doubt she is to Cananda like Madonna is to the US.

Which brings a question to mind.  All I know about quebecoise music is
Mitsou.  Um...a guy with a really big afro called Charlebois (ok ok, that
was in the 70s) and the default, Celine Dion.  Can some of the Quebecois
mailing list members suggest any Quebecois pop singers?  NOT R&B or Hip Hop.
I like dancey stuff and techno :)  Hence, Men Without Hats :D Whatever
happened to James Bande?  I liked his song "J'en ai un pneu".

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 17 Jul 1998 18:14:06 -0400 (EDT)



>I think it is just general silliness, one of the things I really like
>about MwoH.  It seems to me most people stay away from silliness
>altogether, but MwoH is always a little bit 'playful', I think.

Well, it is a demo :)  Not a completed song (as far as we know).  For
example, Abba would sing silly lyrics just to try out the song.  Maybe Ivan
is doing the same thing.

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Subject: (hats) i liked Biodome
Date: 18 Jul 1998 02:35:54 EDT


    I really liked Biodome. I thought it was a hilarious movie. Some of the
scenes were taken from the actual Biodome in Montreal. I wondered if they got
Safety Dance b/c they were in Montreal for a while. The movie was very corny
but still made me laugh. I'm glad MWH was a part of the movie's music
repertoire.

Collin.


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A Check In The Mail
Date: 18 Jul 1998 02:54:09 -0400 (EDT)


I recently received a money order in the mail from somebody whose name
I do not recognize.  If you did it, please email me privately and tell
me what I'm supposed to do for you in exchange.  No letter was included
with it.

Myke


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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Treblinka
Date: 18 Jul 1998 13:37:17 -0400


Hey, fellow Hatters!

Regarding the whole "jonely in America" debate...I keep hearing "Germany in
America".  It keeps with the whole 'Treblinka' concentration camp theme.
What do ya think??

Vince



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 19 Jul 1998 01:26:15 EDT


In a message dated 7/16/98 9:16:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>
>  >it is, i believe "johnny in america"
>
>  So who the heck is Johnny?
>
last time *I* checked, Johnny played guitar!

;-)
Charlotte


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Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Treblinka
Date: 19 Jul 1998 05:41:27 EDT



after a single listen after your suggestion,

 i agree 100% that it is "germany in america"

thanks!

anyone else.......?


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) different version of Mitsou album
Date: 19 Jul 1998 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT)


Somewhat on topic.....Mitsou's "duets" with Ivan are released on a few
albums.  "Terre des hommes" and "Heading West".  "Heading West" is the
American release of "Terre Des Hommes".  At the same time, a remix album by
the same name was released only in Canada.  Today I found a different
version of the remix album. It has a red cover but the same songs (maybe one
extra remix, I don't know).  It was only $13 too.  I might buy it some day :)




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Not hats related
Date: 19 Jul 1998 16:14:28 EDT


Hey list-

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of Cactus World News "Urban Beaches" and
if so would you be willing to dub me a copy.  My copy is so worn out, and it
is still one of my favorite tapes.  Let me know, with the cost.  Thanks.

Chris
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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Treblinka
Date: 19 Jul 1998 20:09:03 -0500 (CDT)


The lyric archive says "join me in America"

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: MWH in the movies
Date: 19 Jul 1998 20:18:05 -0500 (CDT)


On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> The song "Pop Goes The World" is on the soundtrack of a movie which came out
> in '87 or '88, called "Date With An Angel".
> The movie was supposed to have been a real turkey.  Personally, I have never
> seen it.

It was fairly decent.  The angel was the Emanuelle Beardt who later played
in Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise.  The movie's opening song is also
by MWH: "Intro" minus the "Can you hear me?" and running footsteps at the
end.

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From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 19 Jul 1998 17:50:34 +0200


[e-mail] (Woody Zenfell) writes:

>only in america
>lonely in america
>h-only in america
>j-only in america
>america

--- cut ---
@SONG: Treblinka

Only in America
Only in America

I walk, I try to learn, I die
I walk, I try to learn, I die

Only in America
Only in America

I walk, I try to learn, I hide
I run, I try to breathe, I die

Only in America
Lonely in America
Homely in America
Lonely In America

America
--- cut ---

according to http://music.lsds.com/lyrics/m/men.without.hats/mca.demos

Treblinka was a german concentration camp in WW II.

    Kind regards
        Henning

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bootleg for sale (not MWH nor Ivan)
Date: 20 Jul 1998 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT)


Hello,

I apologize for the off-topic post, but I'm selling (or trading) a George
Michael CD bootleg live in Paris (I think) 1992.  If you are interested, let
me know by private e-mail.

And now back to our regularly shceduled program :)
Daniele


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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A Former Hatter Speaks!
Date: 20 Jul 1998 18:05:57 -0400


Bruce Murphy recently sent this post to a dental e-mail list in response to
someone's question regarding life as a pop star.  Bruce said it would be OK
to share it with the hats list.

Bruce also asked which bootleg CD's are still avilable.  If anyone has some
left, could you let me know and I'll get the info to Bruce (a brief
description of each CD would be helpful also as I don't have them all).

Thanks!
Brad

>Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:39:00 -0400
>From: Bruce Murphy <[e-mail]>
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: Ont-Dent <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Our very own Bruce Murphy
>
>Peter Neilson wrote:
>>
>> There was a very nice full colour two page expose on our own illustrious
>> Bruce Murphy in the CDA Communique (not the Journal).  Seems he was once a
>> guitarist and keyboardist for the musical group, "Men Without Hats".  And
>> you chucked it all for the glamour and sizzle of a dental practice!!
>>
>> Gee ... the autograph seekers, girls, and roadies can't hold a candle to
>> broken appointments, 80% overheads, drug seekers, and crap in your dental
>> chair.  What was I thinking???? 8-)
>>
>> Peter Neilson
>
>The career of an average rock star makes dentistry look pretty good.
>They feed you champagne and caviar, then stick you on a smelly tour bus
>for 26 hours at a stretch where you get a variation of cabin fever
>called bus fever. You show up for a gig in Tulsa at 4am, check into a
>fleabag motel, sleep until 4pm, get a taxi to the soundcheck where they
>inform you that your gear hasn't arrived, so you look for something to
>eat, but it's Sunday and all the restaraunts are closed, each proudly
>displaying a sticker saying "Tulsa Chamber of Commerce says Eat Out More
>Often". So you take the tour bus down to MacDonalds and eat in the bus
>so the locals won't kill you for having orange hair and watch Ferris
>Bueller's day off for the 43rd time. Later you go back for sound check
>and the local crew has dropped a huge light on your keyboards and a
>techie has it ripped apart on the floor and says "you can soundcheck
>without it, can't you?" Soundcheck runs late, maybe 7pm, and the show is
>at 10pm and your hotel is too far, so you sit around in a vacant bar
>watching the local news (Man Saves Duck) from a card table chair and
>drink 2 gallons of Coca cola because they won't give you booze for free.
>By 9pm, the doors are open, and you have to hide in a broom closet that
>has generously become a "dressing room" so you won't be mobbed by kids
>asking you thigs like "where did the band name come from" for the 8
>millionth time. By 9:30 you have to put on your menacing black leather
>stage clothes which have been put away in a wardrobe case covered with
>sweat every night for the last 6 months and smell like Satan's bottom,
>and spray 3 or 4 cans of Clairol Final Net (aka Final Helmet) into your
>hair so you can sweat and not look like a drowned rat. Later you go on
>stage and say something really stupid like "All right Cleveland!"
>because you have no idea where you are, and spend an hour having the
>time of your life playing music and having teenaged girls try to tear
>you off the stage. After the show you want to go meet the absolutely
>stunning girl you made eye contact with, but the road manager tells you
>that we have to be on a plane in 2 hours to go to Hollywood and do the
>late show, so you go to the airport where you while away the time by
>wearing the plaster of paris Bon Homme head that we carry around for the
>show and ride around on the 25 cent kiddie rides until the security
>guards put their rifles against your head and tell you to "take off the
>head and lie face down on the floor", and then spend an hour threatening
>to deport you, and Ivan has to get on the plane by himself and lie in
>the threshold pretending to have a heart attack to delay the plane until
>the security guards develop a sense of humour. You hate the plane
>because you can't sleep sitting up, and Ivan gets a horrific toothache
>due to the cabin pressure and eats every ice cube on the plane so you
>have to drink warm beer and you realize that you have to get back to New
>York city immediately after the late show to do another show and you
>stare out the window and dream of the girl at the club you didn't
>meet...
>
>Bruce
>
>--
>Dr. R. Bruce Murphy
>Ottawa, Canada
>
>
>P.S. It was tough when I was 28. I can't imagine doing it now. Wouldn't
>have missed it for the world.
>
Brad Hull
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Treblinka
Date: 20 Jul 1998 21:57:27 EDT



of course, any lyrics on any site for this song are the best guesses of
someone else too!

how about
                                hold me in america

                                 join me in america

?


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Another Treblinka Thought
Date: 22 Jul 1998 22:41:45 EDT


As we recently discussed, the name "Treblinka" refers to a WWII death camp.
One interesting bit of history that I don't recall anyone mentioning is that
the Treblinka death camp was destroyed after about a year and a half when the
captives rose up and rebelled against the Germans using weapons they had
smuggled from the camp's armory.

I wonder if Ivan had any of that in mind when he was working on the song?


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 01:14:39 EDT


    In Walk on Water, is MWH singing about themselves. At the end, where Ivan
sings, "We never walked on water," he's talking about the group, right?

    And if so, what is the hundred and two songs they did...or was that just for
the rhyme?

    Why is this list so slow? Doesn't anybody have any questions or like to hear
other people's insight on certain songs? Come on guys. I know most of you
don't have the best personalities...but at least they're personalities.

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 02:17:32 -0400 (EDT)


> Why is the list so slow?

I dunno.  It seems that when there was a chance to possibly see MWH
perform a private concert for us we had plenty to talk about but then
when that died, so did the list.  Coincidence?  You decide!

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 08:27:58 -0400 (EDT)


Okay, so someone make up a fake concert, and we'll all pretend that it is
really happening!  Anything would be better than a slooooooooow list.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 08:40:38 -0400


> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 1998 8:28 AM
>
> Okay, so someone make up a fake concert, and we'll all
> pretend that it is
> really happening!  Anything would be better than a slooooooooow list.
>
> Nathan

Well, it *is* summer... When everyone gets back to school in a month or so,
things should pick up.

In the meantime, I've been enjoying my CDs (thanks again, Richard!).  And
the live version of Pop Goes the World from last year's concert is *verry*
interesting.  I kinda like it...

So when do tickets go on sale for this new concert?  ;-)

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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 22:02:31 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:
>
>I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least they're personalities.
>
Ouch.

--J. Abbas


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 22:18:30 EDT


In a message dated 7/24/98 6:55:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>  >
>  >I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least
they're
> personalities.
>  >
>  Ouch.
>
>  --J. Abbas

like, DITTO!!!
:-P~

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 22:27:09 EDT


of course, Divisio also wrote several other things, including 3 interesting
questions which not a one has replied to as of yet


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Fake concert
Date: 25 Jul 1998 09:50:38 EDT


I'm not too much in a mood for talking but I have to answer.


Me and Vince Sylvaggio put a lot of our energy to get this show working.

We wanted to see MWH, not Ivan alone.  We gave our request to Ivan.  It seems
that Ivan was not really interested to do a family reunion.

I asked the people here "Are you interested to come to Montreal to Ivan as a
solo artist"    Majority of the people told me NO.

Thank you for readind

Ciao

Francis


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) what a great concert!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT)


At 08:27 AM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Okay, so someone make up a fake concert, and we'll all pretend that it is
>really happening!  Anything would be better than a slooooooooow list.
>
>Nathan
>
>
Ok...
The Men Without Hats Reunion concert was so...bizarre.  I mean, the
neon-green Bonhomme playing the harp?  What was that all about?  the songs
were great.  Especially the "You Are My Sunshine" cover they played during
the encore.  I never knew Ivan was able to play two harmaonicas at once!
The concert hall was jam packed but I had front row seats centre.  Which, by
the third song wasn't a great idea because Ivan's brother, Stefan, brought
out a huge water gun and blasted everyone in the first row.   I'm sure glad
it ended up being disappearing ink!  You should have seen the look on the
police officer's face when it suddenly disappeared!

It was a great three-hour-and-45-minute concert with Mitsou opening up by
singing three songs (french versions of Ivan's solo stuff in a
jazz/hillbilly style).  I'm glad I was able to get it all on DAT tapes along
with part of the sound check where Ivan recites Shakespeare and sings an
Arabic-style version of "The Rhytm Of Youth".  However, I wasn't able to
spot any list members at the outdoor concert.  Has anyonhere gone?  I was
the one with the really big chicken suit carrying the sign saying "I am the
egg man".  The band autographied it later.


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) what a great concert!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1998 11:17:13 -0400 (EDT)


I was there too.  I particularly enjoyed the Tinkertoy drum kit!

Myke


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From: The Elendilrandiri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 24 Jul 1998 19:10:06 PDT



he is speaking of the entire human race
at least the world of pop culture
most of what pop music is about is love.
the name of the band is the human race...

"pop" goes the world
any coincidence that albums get released on tuesdays? ;)

Our bodies are made up of 102 minerals, and 22 amino acids.
(102 keys was also a standard keyboard size for computers for a while.......)
or how about 100 AND 2?!
two being him and her. 100 is the standard amount of raindrops kept in a
vial.....


if nobody listens well
nothing comes true

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Another Treblinka Thought
Date: 26 Jul 1998 13:34:52 -0500


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I wonder if Ivan had any of that in mind when he was working on the song?

Since Treblinka gets mentionned quite often, I remind you that song was
composed solely by Jeremy Arrobas...

Take care

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From: Bo Callenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH T-shirt!!!!
Date: 27 Jul 1998 00:50:02 -0700


Hi Is there anyone who can sell a MWH t-shirt to me.
I=B4m in a very desperate mood so please help me.
Regards Anders=20
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts
Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:48:16 +0000


Hi Hatters!

For those new to the list, I am Laura the T-shirt Goddess.  In the
past year and a half, I have developed the following modus operandi.
I collect orders for Ts for 6 months to a year, then when I have a
big enough order, I have *just that many* T's made up.  This is
because this represents a substantial financial outlay.  I then let
people know their Ts are ready, how much their total with postage etc
is, and where to send the $$.  After the order is placed, I then
start a waiting list, which is the foundation new list for the next
order.  If someone changes their mind about their order, or does not
send in their $$, I will offer their Ts to the next person on the
waiting list.

I just finished an order in May, I think it was, and I am still
waiting to receive $$ from quite a few people.  I will wait until
school starts back up again before I begin cancelling their orders
and offering their T's to the waiting list.  Those of you who have
contacted me privately to let me know that your $$ will be a little
late or on the way, don't worry - I will hold your T's.  Those of you
who I have not heard from since April or May - better get cracking!

Anyway, as there have been several questions about Ts posed to the
list or to me privately, I will again summarize the Ts available, and
then people can write to me privately to get on the waiting/new order
list.  The Ts are 100% cotton, available in ROY Gold or F80s3 White;
sizes XL or XXL (they shrink to be *just right*); short sleeve,  no
pocket.  On the front is the MWH logo in black and red, very large!!;
and on the back is the email list address and the quote "The Great
Ones Remember."  Colin and Ivan have these Ts, and Colin said that
the quote is perfect.  Prices are between $13 and $15 depending on
size and color you want, and includes postage to the US or Canada.
If you live in Timbuktoo, obviously postage will be more.  ;-)  I
just want to add that the prices for the Ts represent my actual cost
to get them made and mailed - I make *NO* profit off of these!

To get on the waiting/new order list  . . .

1.  Be prepared to wait perhaps until next spring for a shirt.
2.  Send me your (real) name and snail mail address.
3.  Tell me what quantity of each size and color you want.  There are
discounts on multiple shirts, since I include postage in the price
and I can get two or three shirts in one package.

CUL8R!
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas
Date: 27 Jul 1998 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT)


Today I was listening to the RoY demos and wondered which other songs Jeremy
Arrobas wrote.  I know he wrote "Rhythm of Youth", and "Treblinka", but I
wonder which others did he write and co-write (I guess Claude knows! :)).  I
know he was also involved in the Freeways songs.

Also, does he have Internet access?  I think it would be great to be able to
chat with him since he's the other former member who wrote the lyrics (to
their early stuff).

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Subject: Re: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas
Date: 27 Jul 1998 19:41:44 EDT


Hey

Mr. Arrobas left MWH before the summer tour of 1981.  He was replace by Jean-
Marc Pisapia, lead singer of The Box.  But, as you know the "Nice" character
of Mr. Ivan Doruchuck,   Jean-Marc left MWH during fall 1981, after the summer
tour.  They were a caracter incompatibility (according to Jean-Marc).  "Ivan
is someone very tough to work with" said Jean-Marc.  Then he found The Box in
1982.

Did you know that the production company in Quebec who has to booked Ivan
didn't get 1 single show????  People in Quebec want to see MWH, not Ivan.

Ciao

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) no concert
Date: 27 Jul 1998 20:56:42 -0400 (EDT)


In this e-mail, I look at Ivan declining the show from an objective view.


>tour.  They were a caracter incompatibility (according to Jean-Marc).  "Ivan
>is someone very tough to work with" said Jean-Marc.  Then he found The Box in
>1982.

Well, my impression of him is he's a serious artist so I can see how he can
be hard to work with.  I'm kind of like that too (but I'm open to
compromise), my art--whatever type it may be--is a direct reflection of
myself.  Maybe Ivan feels the same way-- I guess he doesn't compromise his art.

>Did you know that the production company in Quebec who has to booked Ivan
>didn't get 1 single show????  People in Quebec want to see MWH, not Ivan.

I see you are bitter with Ivan.  I don't blame you.  You worked so hard to
put the show together and regularly reporting back to us on the updates then
Ivan says, "Nah".  It may not make things better, but I hope you understand
the rest of the list thanks you and fully appreciates for the work you put
in (wow, all that work while your youngest daughter was sick.  How is she
doing?).  It was going to go on and be a success--I know--but in the end,
the singer didn't want to do it.  Do you know why?  From what I remember, we
really didn't get a straight answer.  All we got was Ivan prefers to be as
Ivan not MWH.  All we were able to do was come up with some theories (the
one about the band practice seemed to be the most accurate*).  In my
opinion, he owes us an explanation, we are his fans and we were ready to
give him a concert whether it was private or not isn't an issue.  But still,
he came on the chat (but was laconic like anything).

I don't mean to sound rude to Ivan, but he writes all those songs about
"I've got a woman inside" and the environnent, and he shows his true
feelings mean, but he doesn't tell us why he didn't want to do the show.


I'm surprised at how QUIET and I mean Q-U-I-E-T the list suddenly became
when Ivan declined the offer.  And it still is.  My opinion is we're somehow
still hurt by the unanswered questions and we seemed to be hit with a little
reality we don't want to admit to Ivan so frankly (I hate to write this): we
prefer MWH not his solo work.  And we prefer his early days anyway.  But
this is a sign.  Ivan says "I want to be Ivan" but there isn't a demand for
it.  I think he'll be more successful when the new MWH album comes out (as
he said).


So, a question, have we stopped listening to our CDs?  Are they listened to
in a darker light?


*Someone mentioned Ivan probably preferred to do Ivan songs rather than MWH
because then they'd have to rehearse for the MWH songs after not playing
them for a decade.  Let's face it, we preferred he sang all the early stuff.
all that rehearsal would take a lot of time.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) no concert
Date: 27 Jul 1998 21:33:02 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-27 20:57:52 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

> So, a question, have we stopped listening to our CDs?  Are they listened to
>  in a darker light?

I still love my MWH CD's. I still listen for enjoyment and I feel no less now
since there isn't a concert.

I'm disappointed that there isn't a concert (who isn't?) but we are a MWH fan
list. Ivan probably has a solo fan list and they should have an Ivan concert.
It's not our fault we don't want to see Ivan solo (I speak for myself and
others who were less than interested in going up to see him). I might have
enjoyed it just as much, but it's just not what I was looking forward to.

I hope this makes some sense.

--Nick


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas
Date: 28 Jul 1998 04:13:31 EDT


In a message dated 7/27/98 4:46:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Mr. Arrobas left MWH before the summer tour of 1981.  He was replace by
Jean-
>  Marc Pisapia, lead singer of The Box.  But, as you know the "Nice"
character
>  of Mr. Ivan Doruchuck,   Jean-Marc left MWH during fall 1981, after the
> summer
>  tour.


Hey Francis....

GET OUT OF MY LITTERBOX!

;-)

Charlotte


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Men Without Hats
Date: 28 Jul 1998 02:28:31 EDT


I am interest in buying a Men Without Hats T-shirt and possibly other
merchandise. Can you tell me where I can find such items? Thank you...


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From: Kathy&Michelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) For Sale
Date: 28 Jul 1998 17:01:20 -0700


HI!
I have a copy of Greatest hats I would like to sell
I am asking 13$ for it or best offer

=)
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 29 Jul 1998 19:56:47 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-29 19:55:36 EDT, you write:

 [e-mail] wrote:

  >I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least they're
personalities.
  >



 Speak for yourself, pal.

 Angie >>


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From: Gary Mattheu <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Marries!
Date: 29 Jul 1998 15:56:22 -0700 (PDT)


Ivan marries Irene! congratulations to Captains LOG!



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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question
Date: 29 Jul 1998 23:17:46 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-29 19:55:36 EDT, you write:
>
>  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>   >I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least they're
> personalities.
>   >
>
>
>  Speak for yourself, pal.
>
>  Angie >>
>

There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the above statement.  I
did not make it.  My post (which has been excised from the above quoted
reply) was "Ouch," meaning that I was surprised to see what appeared to
be a blatant insult at the end of an otherwise intelligent query.

I should note, however, that upon further consideration, I believe
Divisio had tongue firmly planted in cheek when making the statement.
And I'm glad Divisio's query spawned such an interesting response by The
Elendilrandiri about the meanings behind Walk on Water.  Umberto Eco
would be proud.

Best wishes to the group,

J. Abbas


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The show
Date: 30 Jul 1998 00:07:52 EDT


While I was at work today doing my mindless lemming-work, I kept thinkning
about Ivan and MWH. The only diffrence is Collin and Steffan aren't around
anymore. From what I've heard, Ivan wrote most of the music and they told him
what "was MWH" and what "wasn't".

Now had we gone to see Ivan, I feel it would to see how the Hatless are
currently doing, only without the influence of the other brothers.

Personally, I'd still rather see all three of them, but Ivan's still Ivan,
with or without a Hat.

--Nick


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) UPDATING SITE INDEX
Date: 29 Jul 1998 22:33:29 -0700


Hatters, I am finally going to update the Site Index again.  It has been
since April (I think).  So, if anyone wants to be linked to, or has any
ideas, now is the time to let me know.  It's at
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom.

-Eric
Eric W. Soderblom
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Marries!
Date: 30 Jul 1998 12:12:29 EDT


In a message dated 7/29/98 6:25:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Ivan marries Irene! congratulations to Captains LOG!


...........uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh............

*???*

:-/


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