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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) New Men Without Hats!
Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:51:00 -0500


Yes yes yes!

I'm so excited. Well it is not completly new, but good enough for me. All the
details at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/home_mwh.html

Spread the good news!

Take care

Claude


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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Looking for Sideways and 21stCentury
Date: 01 Apr 1998 10:37:50 -0500


Hello all.

Obviously I'm new to this list and new to the fact that MWH released two
CD's after PGTW.

I'm desperately seeking the CD's Sideways and In the 21st Century.  I've
tried the online shops suggested by the MWH homepage I found (cdnow,
musicblvd, cduniverse) as well as a few others (cdworld, amazon.com,
oglio, etc.).  Most sites list both CD's in their catalogs, but when I
order, I eventually receive a reply that every one of them is out of
stock.

Would any of you kind folks have any further suggestions?  PGTW is one
of the best CD's I own, and I'm desperate to get my hands on its two
successors.  (Any info on Freeways as well?)

Much thanks.  I'm also in the process of ordering Ivan's newest CD.
Best wishes.

--Jeffrey Abbas
    USA


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From: "Anthony Foti"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Joining list
Date: 01 Apr 1998 19:24:54 +0100






To whom it may concern:

Please respond with how to join up & if someone has access to purchase the
Oglio CD of their first to albums on one disc.

Thanks, Ant
Day# 212 806 3431
Eve# 718 680 3558


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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Thanks all for help in locating CDs
Date: 01 Apr 1998 19:50:24 -0500


Hello all,

I just wanted to thank everyone on the list who kindly responded to my
query about locating MWH CDs.  The response was overwhelming and truly
appreciated.  Seeing so many people eager to help makes being a MWH fan
worthwhile.  In availing myself of your advice, I've already tracked
down 21st Century and on my way to finding Sideways as well.

And I've still got The Spell to listen to yet!  It's all happening so
fast.  Thanks again, and best wishes to everyone.  By the way, in case
anyone else is interested, I'll pass on the phone number of a great
store in Canada suggested by many list members, "HMV":  1-800-567-8468
(Toronto) and 1-800-567-2442 (Montreal).

--Jeffrey Abbas


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Men Without Hats!
Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:00:31 -0500


> Yes yes yes!
>
> I'm so excited. Well it is not completly new, but good enough for me. All
the
> details at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/home_mwh.html
>
> Spread the good news!
>
> Take care
>
> Claude

Claude,
Where is this news on your page.  I can't find it.


By the way,
Can someone help me find a rare CD?   I wouldn't normally bring this to the
Hats mailing list but I am desperate.   Since this is the same kinda music
I hope you all don't mind.

Poesie Noire (artist)  - Poesie Noire (CD title).
Its on Antler records.  The band is from Belgium.
I am also looking for :
Poesie Noire - Tales of Doom (CD title)

If anyone knows where I can find a copy of this - or someone who can copy
their CD for me I will kiss you!
I have been looking for CDs by this band for over 5 years!

OK.   MWH related......   Still waiting on the remastered CD#6,7

Thanks

Tom
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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) DARN PEOPLE!!
Date: 01 Apr 1998 17:01:59 -0800


>:(

Hey all there...
some people! I mean....
well I got PGTW the other day from a second hand CD store after going to
Vancouver and looking all over Powell river and inbetween
thats over 200 miles of searching!
and today my friend Sarah dropped it on the ground!!!!
(verry bad)
well I seem not to be having alot of luck with my MWH and Ivan CDs here in
Powell river!
my last CD the spell was stolen (I got it back though!)
well anyways.
I would like to locate the CD Freeways..
(I need to get alot of CDs! can you tell!)
=)
If anyone can help me I shure would be happy..I dont want to wait forever
though!
and I also heard rumor about another Ivan CD called Open your eyes.
now if I could possibly get my hands on this one I would be verry inpressed
being that I have never in all my traveling come accross this CD!
its the one on the tox page under sounds..

thanx to all of you
you all are really 'Groovey'
=)

Michelle



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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) here is the question
Date: 01 Apr 1998 17:18:39 -0800


HA ANSWER THIS ONE!!!

who is Jenny and who is Johnny?

just a thought...I would like to know..
they are the subject of most the songs.

Michelle



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 01 Apr 1998 22:48:48 -0500 (EST)




    Jenny and Johnny are Ivan's male and female side coming out...If
you examine some songs...you find this to be true.

    "Jenny was real...but almost not quite."
    "Jenny was frightened by the way, we looked at her."
    "...they will all be one."
    "...we can all be free."
    "...keep your eyes and still be blind"
    "...name of the band is the human race"

There are many more as well. :-)

Collin from Ithaca.






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From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 02 Apr 1998 00:13:37 EST



no problem-

jenny is the representation of FEMALE
johnny is the representation of MALE
applied directly to how women and men relate to eachother.

amongst other meanings......


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 02 Apr 1998 00:23:05 -0500 (EST)



Aerechui...
    More specifically the masculine and feminine sides of Ivan are
presented through these characters.
*****************************************

Aerechui said:

jenny is the representation of FEMALE
johnny is the representation of MALE
applied directly to how women and men relate to eachother.

amongst other meanings......
**********************************

Collin from Ithaca




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) america online
Date: 02 Apr 1998 00:25:01 -0500 (EST)



    Does anybody have AOL Instant Messenger or have an AOL account?

    If anybody has either...my AOL Instant Messenger screen name is:

            SONofCIDER

I don't get any IM's so please...show me this damn thing works!!!





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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 02 Apr 1998 01:01:10 -0500



>who is Jenny and who is Johnny?
>
>just a thought...I would like to know..
>they are the subject of most the songs.


I think Jenny and Johnny refer to Ivan's male and female side.  What I'd
like to know is, WHO IS TONY????? :)

P.S. To answer your previosu question, there is no Freeways CD.  There is a
FREEWAYS CD bootleg.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the answer
Date: 02 Apr 1998 03:17:15 -0500 (EST)


Daniele Rossi asks:
    WHO IS TONY?

**********
Tony is the brother of one of the band member's friends. He really was
kidnapped. I believe that is accurate. I've also heard he got into trouble
later on in his life. With what, I don't know.

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I'm back!
Date: 02 Apr 1998 11:22:42 +0000


Hi hatters!

Our email here at work has been down since Monday, and I have been
sooo depressed!  But we're up and running again.

Re: the concert this summer.  It's a bummer that it's not going to be
a MWH show, but I think that any time we might get to spend with Ivan
& co. would be well worth it.  So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
Francis and Ivan's manager can work something out, and that all the
people on the list will still come.  Ivan-Con???

Good to be back!

:-) Laura


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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) Looking for Sideways and 21stCentury
Date: 01 Apr 1998 14:09:34 -0800


Hello.

I've found the best way to order these Canadian cds is directly from
Canadian cd shops.

You can call HMV in Toronto 1-800 567-8468 or Montreal 1-800-567-2442

or you can order on the net from A&B Sound in Vancouver www.absound.ca

I have used both of these places with very good results.  Keep in mind when
you call HMV you are calling directly onto the sales floor so you end up
talking to whoever happens to pick up the phone.  I've found if I say right
away that I'm calling from California and want to do a mail order they pay
attention...

Also the Canadian dollar is $.60 US so (if you are calling from the US) you
are getting 40% off whatever price they quote!!

Good luck.  As far as I know, all the Polygram MWH cds are still in print
in Canada.  You can also get Greatest Hats (different from the US release)
and Ivan's The Spell (still one of my favorite cds after a whole year), but
you can only get the 2fer from Laura (as far as I know) on this list.

Bye for now,
Rod
Los Angeles


>
>Obviously I'm new to this list and new to the fact that MWH released two
>CD's after PGTW.
>
>I'm desperately seeking the CD's Sideways and In the 21st Century.  I've
>tried the online shops suggested by the MWH homepage I found (cdnow,
>musicblvd, cduniverse) as well as a few others (cdworld, amazon.com,
>oglio, etc.).  Most sites list both CD's in their catalogs, but when I
>order, I eventually receive a reply that every one of them is out of
>stock.
>
>Would any of you kind folks have any further suggestions?  PGTW is one
>of the best CD's I own, and I'm desperate to get my hands on its two
>successors.  (Any info on Freeways as well?)
>
>Much thanks.  I'm also in the process of ordering Ivan's newest CD.
>Best wishes.
>
>--Jeffrey Abbas
>    USA


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) I'm back!
Date: 02 Apr 1998 14:24:27 EST


In a message dated 98-04-02 11:28:39 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Re: the concert this summer.  It's a bummer that it's not going to be
>  a MWH show, but I think that any time we might get to spend with Ivan
>  & co. would be well worth it.  So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
>  Francis and Ivan's manager can work something out, and that all the
>  people on the list will still come.  Ivan-Con???
>
>  Good to be back!
>
>  :-) Laura
>
>
now, now, Laura...we do not know 100% that the MWH angle has been axed (it
probably WILL , but i'm not giving up til the fat lady with the astro-turf
teddy and the cow horns sings that high C!) so let's be positive about this,
okie?

isn't that what everyone has ben preaching in the FIRST PLACE?

*sly wink*

Charlotte


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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Off The Record
Date: 03 Apr 1998 10:25:05 -0500


Just a reminder to all Canadian listees:
Ivan is still confirmed as a guest on TSN's "Off The Record with Michael
Landsberg" on Monday April 6th at 6pm. Other guests will be Jennifer
Podemsky from CBC's "The Rez" and an Argo player to be confirmed.

Details available at http://www.tsn.ca/otr/


We will be airing a clip from an Ivan video.

Kerry Gordon
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The Sports Network
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 03 Apr 1998 10:50:35 -0500


Happy birthday to Lars Wendt from all his fellow hatters!


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 03 Apr 1998 11:36:15 -0500


Daniele Rossi a =E9crit:
>=20
> P.S. To answer your previosu question, there is no Freeways CD.  There =
is a
> FREEWAYS CD bootleg.

I definitly remember seeing a legit Freeways CD in store. It was at the S=
am
The Record Man in Montreal in the late 80's. I remember because I holded =
it in
my hand for a long time (at that time I was not buying stuff I already ha=
d on
vinyl) before choosing to buy something else new instead (I know, big mis=
take).

Take care

Claude


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the answer
Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:20:16 -0500


[e-mail] a =E9crit:
>=20
> Daniele Rossi asks:
>         WHO IS TONY?
>=20
> **********
> Tony is the brother of one of the band member's friends. He really was
> kidnapped. I believe that is accurate. I've also heard he got into trou=
ble
> later on in his life. With what, I don't know.

From the History section of the MWH FAQ site (http://www.geocities.com/Su=
nsetStrip/Venue/3136/history_mwh.html):

Who is Tony?

Tony is the younger brother of one of Colin's friends during the recordin=
g of
the early albums. He supposedly got killed!

Take care

Claude


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts
Date: 03 Apr 1998 16:18:08 +0000


Hi Hatters!

First, 1,000 apologies for the list clutter!

I have just sent out <most of> the notices for the T-shirts.  The
shirts are done, and I will pick them up next week.

Doing this out of two email accounts is a pain in the rear, as I
always wind up not having everything I need at one address or the
other.

I am looking for Chris Handshaw,"Nickmeister," Ray Peterson,
"Col@upfields," Jeff Harding, Nicholas Roux, Rod McQuarrie, and
Gregor Watson.  Would these people, and anyone else who ordered a
T-shirt but hasn't gotten an email notification today, please email
me?  Thanks!  (PS to Carl - you're all set as soon as I get the T's!
 Thanks again for helping us with the 2-fers.)

Again, fellow hatters, sorry for the clutter, and I appreciate
your patience with me!

:-) Laura


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) something wierd i notices
Date: 03 Apr 1998 17:30:39 -0500


i was listening to where do the boys go yesterday and i noticed
something wierd the opeing reminds of i;m afraid of americans by bowie
the sound is some what buried but they sounded really alike(it was on
the demo cd 5) would others please tell me what they hear

thanks
whit


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD #8 Online in mp3 format
Date: 03 Apr 1998 16:33:37 +0000


CD#8 (The Ivan Live concert - 1997) is online now on my site.
The songs are in MP3 format. I encoded them mono since the source
material was mono (It made the files twice as small)

Also The VH1 Pop up video is online

my web site is at
http://www.holdman.com/mwh

-Rich


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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 03 Apr 1998 16:36:17 -0800


I just heard the mp3's on the Spell tour and I was most dipleased.  Not with
the qualiity of the mp3, but the quality of Ivan!  I haven't heard any Spell
songs till now, and I am not surprised that most of you don't like it.  WWW
is absolutely horrible!  Sperbadgirls has got some problems too.  I though
at least Open Your Eyes would be great, but I was disappointed.  I had heard
Tox's clip, and it played the only good part to the whole song.  I must now
say no matter who is listening - Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is nothing
without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.


Aaron Gitlin
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 03 Apr 1998 20:14:49 -0500



>I definitly remember seeing a legit Freeways CD in store. It was at the Sam
>The Record Man in Montreal in the late 80's. I remember because I holded it in
>my hand for a long time (at that time I was not buying stuff I already had on
>vinyl) before choosing to buy something else new instead (I know, big mistake).


Wow, there was???  All I remember was seeing it on vinyl and cassette and
wondering what it was because it only had 5 songs and one of them was on one
side.

Actually, this brings another "Freeways" question.  I noticed the picture of
Ivan inside mine is different from the picture in the bootleg.  Could it be
the US picture was different from the Canadian one?  Or maybe that was from
the cassette?

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:17:11 -0500


Kajjia Gorian a =E9crit:
>=20
> I just heard the mp3's on the Spell tour and I was most dipleased.  Not=
 with
> the qualiity of the mp3, but the quality of Ivan!  I haven't heard any =
Spell
> songs till now, and I am not surprised that most of you don't like it.

Please, let's not start throwing stones to quickly, Aaron has not heard "=
The
Spell" yet. But tell me my friend, where have you read that most of us do=
n't
like it???? I hope you are wrong (is he? please comments on this hatters!=
)

> WWW is absolutely horrible!  Sperbadgirls has got some problems too. I =
though
> at least Open Your Eyes would be great, but I was disappointed.  I had =
heard
> Tox's clip, and it played the only good part to the whole song.  I must=
 now
> say no matter who is listening - Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is not=
hing
> without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.

Just a fact here: Ivan IS Men Without Hats. So what you say is meaningles=
s.
Now I would like to know if there is something wrong with that CD8. Is th=
e
performance bad? What might have made Aaron react in this fashion? Believ=
e me
Aaron, Ivan is far from being "nothing", with or without hats.

Take care my friend

Claude

(maybe we should buy Aaron a copy of the Spell, after all he IS the "baby=
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the list. We have to take care of our little brat ;o)


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) here is the question
Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:22:53 -0500


Daniele Rossi a =E9crit:
>=20
> Actually, this brings another "Freeways" question.  I noticed the pictu=
re of
> Ivan inside mine is different from the picture in the bootleg.  Could i=
t be
> the US picture was different from the Canadian one?  Or maybe that was =
from
> the cassette?

My bootleg has no picture of Ivan :-(
The original picture for that release is a black and white "portrait" of =
Ivan
wearing a V-neck knitted wool shirt, credited to Yves Nantel.

Take care

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 03 Apr 1998 23:02:01 -0500


Well coming to Aarons defense, I've been a Hats fan since 83 and I
could'nt care less for The Spell myself. There's just something about
90's electronics that is so characterless. Pull out the old 80's
machines and start making those quirky noises again, and I don't mean
mixing them with modern technology either.

Scott


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 03 Apr 1998 22:58:11 -0700




> Men Without Hats rule, but Ivan is nothing
> without them.  That is my opinion...thank you.

Aaron,  you have made a common mistake about Ivan. He is not exactly a band
member in some rock group.  Ivan created MWH and then basically hired his
brothers (and a few others) to help perform his creations.  MWH was more of a
vehicle to present his art.  It may be, that lately he sees some limits in what
MWH can do for his work and has opted to simply use his name.  (arguably, a more
honest approach).I like The Spell. It is a well rounded album and shows that
Ivan has matured as an artist.  Let's not forget how different PGTW was from
MWH's previous releases. He is always exploring music and in a progressive
fashion. I haven't heard him live yet but I'll try tomorrow.  Maybe this concert
was a poor rendition of the album?  In any case, reserve your judgement on the
solo Ivan for when you hear the studio album. And that...is my opinion!!  :-)

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Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 00:15:20 -0700





>  I haven't heard him live yet but I'll try tomorrow.

A clarification!  I haven't heard him live since Ivan went solo!  I've certainly
seen him live as MWH!!!

That's all,

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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) PLANES TRAINS AND AUTOMOBILES
Date: 04 Apr 1998 00:31:46 -0800


Hatters-
First of all, somebody put in a quote form PT and A a while back and I
finally figured out that was the movie.  Secondly, I LIKE Ivans solo album.
I listen to it all the time.  I also downloaded some MP3's of the live show,
and I don't think it is that bad at all.  Well, that's my 2 cents.
-Eric

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 07:01:03 -0500 (EST)


In response to Kajia's comment about Ivan's the spell being pretty awful:
I'd like to voice that I think the Spell is super!  Of course, it's really
not anything like a MWH album, but then again, it's not MWH.  I guess the
electronic/industrial types like the spell better than others???  I would
just have to say... give the spell another chance.  The more you listen,
the more you may like.

Nathan

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Men Without Hats!
Date: 04 Apr 1998 10:32:19 -0500


Nathan Shireman a =E9crit:
>=20
> Hey Claude,
>=20
> What's the good news?  I don't have access to WWW.

The good news was: april 1st! I'll have to think of something else for ne=
xt
year I guess.

Take care

Claude


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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 13:47:04 -0500


Hey, fellow Hatters!

Let's not jump all over Aaron, I kind of know where he's coming from.
Whereas I like 'The Spell', I happen to love the MWH material.  I'm sure a
lot of people on the list would agree.  Aaron just happens to hate the new
stuff.

I think the fact of the matter, though, is that Ivan is desperately trying
to escape being equated with MWH.  To some significant extent, he's trying
to forge ahead with his new stuff, and he doesn't want to look back.
That's why his CD is pretty different than what we expected it to be at
first, and that's probably why he has (for now!) refused to give us a
concert as MWH.  But that's his prerogative.  Maybe the guy got bored with
MWH (although I personally cannot grasp the reason for this - there was
genius in that work.)  Maybe every second phrase from people around him at
the time was 'MWH', and he got sick of hearing that.  Maybe he doesn't
think he was evolving as a musical artist, and wants to travel different,
more exciting avenues.  Who knows?

When I went to see Ivan last 'summer'(with Tom, Dave, Laura, Trena, and
Claude from the list), I remember the DJ-guy asking the audience who was
headlining that night right before Ivan came on stage.  What I heard was
"Men Without Hats!"  Not one person said "Ivan!"  I think he's finding that
he cannot easily separate himself from MWH, and that bugs him.  Sooner or
later, I think he's going to have to go back to it if he wishes to attain
the level of success of his MWH days...but only if he thinks he'll enjoy
the experience.

Anybody have any thoughts...?

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) Ivan the individual
Date: 04 Apr 1998 13:59:50 -0500


If Ivan's big problem is always being refered to as MWH then he would
need to get over it. He's never gonna have another huge chart hit so he
will always be known as MWH. Things could be a lot worse. People could
not refer to him as anything. I refer to him as the guy responsible for
creating 2 of my all time favorite albums, R.O.Y and Folk 3. That's
better than "Ivan who?" He could be in the position as one of my other
favorites, Toyah, with a ton of albums spanning from 79 to the present,
a handful of UK top 20 singles and just about everything is out of print
evrywhere in the world, some never even making it to CD. At least Ivan's
stuff is in print somewhere so he should count that blessing.


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) picture
Date: 04 Apr 1998 14:17:08 -0500



>My bootleg has no picture of Ivan :-(
>The original picture for that release is a black and white "portrait" of Ivan
>wearing a V-neck knitted wool shirt, credited to Yves Nantel.


That is the picture I am talking about.  The one I have loosk like Ivan has
a digusted look on his face (hee hee) as if he's saying "What?! Take a
picture of ME?!?!"  The one in the bootleg is a normal-looking one as if he
is saying, "Sure I'll pose.  How's this?" :)

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan = MWH? & Euro influence (long)
Date: 04 Apr 1998 14:53:27 -0500



>Let's not jump all over Aaron, I kind of know where he's coming from.

Yeah, stop jumping on him :)  It's his opinion and he is entitled to it (of
course).  Personally, I only like the dancey tracks on "The Spell" and I
don't listen to the others.  Just my taste.


>headlining that night right before Ivan came on stage.  What I heard was
>"Men Without Hats!"  Not one person said "Ivan!"  I think he's finding that
>he cannot easily separate himself from MWH, and that bugs him.  Sooner or
>later, I think he's going to have to go back to it if he wishes to attain
>the level of success of his MWH days...but only if he thinks he'll enjoy
>the experience.


Well, everyone knows who "Men Without Hats" is and it is natural that Ivan
will be referred to as the guy in Men Without Hats.  In my opinion, Ivan =
Men Without Hats isn't true.  There is a reason why Ivan is Ivan and Ivan
will be Men Without Hats when they release their new album.  It is like
saying The Beatles are opening up when Paul McCartney is singing.  About
wishing to attain the lebvel of success MWH did, I think he has a good
chance with today's teenagers (that seems to be the majority of the radio
audience) since most of them weren't conscious of music back in '82 anyway.
It is us "vetrans" who remember him as the Pop Goes The World/Saftey Dance
guy and are nostalgic for the electronic RoY days.  Which brings a question
to mind, Why do we tend to absolutley adore RoY and hardly anything else?
When I say hardly, I mean compared to the other albums whether we like them
or not, RoY stands out by a landslide.  I remember when the list members
came back from their trip to Montreal last summer and one of them mentioned
Colin was surprised to see everyone interested in only the RoY demos.  Could
it be part of that early 80s nostalgia?

Back on topic, what I remember back in the RoY days is when they would
announce a song by MWH, strangely they would say "Ivan and Men Without Hats"
or "Ivan without a hat".  This could be where this comes from if Ivan is in
fact trying to seperate his solo work from MWH.  Maybe that's why he wears a
hat on stage? It sounds funny but it could be.

-----

I was listening to the RoY demos (yes yes I do prefer them over the Folk3
demos <grin> except for WDTBG but that's another story) last night and
realized how greatly they sound european.  I mean to say that they sound
like they were from a european electronic band.  Even the Folk1 songs have
that feel to them but not the preceeding albums.  Except for "Euortheme" and
maybe "The Great Ones Remember (Reprise)".  Actually, I wonder if anyone
from Montreal has any interviews of Ivan (there I go again) from that era?
If so, dose he mention any of this influence?

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) R.O.Y the best
Date: 04 Apr 1998 15:04:45 -0500


A recent message mentions that ROY stands out as most peoples favorite.
I love both ROY and Folk 3 equally because they sound like a 2 record
set. The sound and the character are the same, I could'nt imagine having
to choose.
Now what's this about Demos. I was on this list last year and at the
time people were looking for them. I'm assuming they have been found.
The discussion back then was about the videotape everyone was buying, me
included, and the Oglio 2on1 which never really surfaced, at least as an
item that ended up in stores anywhere.

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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 12:10:08 -0800


I guess I was under the wrong impression....I noticed most people talking
about how the Spell was not quite up to par with the rest of MWH albums.  I
still stand by my opinions though, The Spell was awful, Ivan shoulda kept to
the industrial pop he used in the 80's.   Catch ya latez folks!

p.s. - a "baby"????  a "brat"?????  -=)   j/k


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 14:51:04 -0700


I think I understand why Aaron feels that way about The Spell.  I've just
finished hearing the Ivan live stuff and I am disappointed too.  The quality of
this recording is very poor.  I'm not commenting on Richard's work, I'm sure he
has done his usual good job in reproducing the mp3's.  The music, though, is
unbalanced at times, fading in and out and very noisy.  Certainly, it gives us a
chance to hear what Ivan is doing lately but it's not a pleasing experience to
play these.  Also, that's got to be the worst rendition of PGTW I've ever heard.
What is that, some kind of jazz fusion thing? Not for me, thanks!
As for what this list thinks is the best MWH's album, that seems to alternate
between ROY and PGTW.  Personally, right now, I'm shifting to ROY slightly but I
rate both at the very top of my all time favorite albums.

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan the individual
Date: 04 Apr 1998 17:07:12 -0500


Scott Davies a =E9crit:
>=20
> If Ivan's big problem is always being refered to as MWH then he would
> need to get over it. He's never gonna have another huge chart hit...

Hum... I'm not so sure about that. Why not? He's got the talent, he's got=
 the
inspiration, he's got the means. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.=
 I
think the best is yet to come.

Take care

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan is confusing me.
Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:44:45 -0500 (EST)




    I've only downloaded safety dance and pgtw b/c i want to save
the rest of the IVAN live songs for when I get the CD. But I agree with
Senz...the PGTW is just lethally horrible.

    I get confused sometimes too, because Ivan says he wants to leave
 the Hats behind him...yet he also is quoted as saying "he enjoys doing
PGTW and Saftey Dance" in his sets. "Something in that quote isn't
right...and this is what I know."

    ALSO...IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE MEN WITHOUT HATS BEHIND, HOW COME
THERE IS A MEN WITHOUT HATS RECORD SPINNING IN THE OPEN YOUR EYES
VIDEO...DID HE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

    Personally, I love the Spell and I am also a fan of Sideways.
People are arguing that The Spell is not befitting to their
taste....fine...it doesnt' have to be. It's not MWH. That's why there are
no labels on the album of a hat with a line slashing across it.

    Any comments?

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Men Without Hats!
Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:51:37 EST


In a message dated 98-04-04 10:33:02 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Nathan Shireman a Θcrit:
>  >
>  > Hey Claude,
>  >
>  > What's the good news?  I don't have access to WWW.
>
>  The good news was: april 1st! I'll have to think of something else for next
>  year I guess.
>
>  Take care
>
>  Claude
>
>
Claude, you evil man, you!

i *LIKE* that!  ;)

-C-


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Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan the individual
Date: 04 Apr 1998 19:04:38 EST


In a message dated 98-04-04 14:02:02 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> He's never gonna have another huge chart hit so he
>  will always be known as MWH.

hmmmmmm..........nice attitude, there, slick!

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) Calm down already
Date: 04 Apr 1998 21:55:54 -0500


OK, before I get anymore pissy messages about how evil I am for saying
Ivan will never have another hit let me explain, for those it wasn't
already obvious to. In case people haven't noticed music in the 90's
absolutely sucks and talent isn't appreciated. You have to have no
musical ability, a constipated attempted singing voice, and a load of
phony anger to make any impression on todays mindless youth. I love
Ivans unique singing and though the Spell is really uninteresting to me
I'm glad to see he's still around. I just wish that he, and every other
once good songwriter, would stop trying to fit in to todays music scene
and do something good. When all these artists say that they believe in
what they are doing presently it seems like such a crock. What they
really want is to be refered to as "hip" and have another chart topper.
Most of the time these people just start alienating their original fan
base and end up in the cutout bin. If all of these people consider this
progress then I would take a Folk of the 80's Part 4 anyday, regardless
of the decade.

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 04 Apr 1998 16:10:22 -0800


Here is the truth.

I came across Ivan solo before I came across Men Without Hats
I was listning to a radio station that played Open your eyes alot and fell
in love with the song.
I am not saying any thing against Aaron cause he is my friend and I know
that some people dont like the spell.
I took it to school with me and some people hated it and laughed at me.
(but those are the same people who laugh at MWH too)
so they dont matter
But It did get good  response from some of the students who always listen to
rap.
just goes to say I agree give the spell a chance
after all it is only Ivans first solo album.

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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Sideways
Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:53:16 -0800


Ya know, I just realized how much different sideways.  I always could tell a
differeence, but know hear a bigger one.  All I know is I didnt like it at
frist, but now I love it.  Hm, I guess I have weird taste for a MWH
fan...late all!


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Calm down already
Date: 05 Apr 1998 02:15:31 -0500


Scott Davies a =E9crit:
>=20
> OK, before I get anymore pissy messages about how evil I am for saying
> Ivan will never have another hit let me explain, for those it wasn't
> already obvious to. In case people haven't noticed music in the 90's
> absolutely sucks and talent isn't appreciated.

Don't confuse your perception of things with reality. Like in any era, 90=
's
music has its share of stinkers and gems. But it is certainly not worst t=
han
the 80's (when all you needed to make the charts was a weird hairdo, some
spiffy spandex, some make-up and a synthesizer). The proof is, the bigges=
t MWH
hit is Safety Dance, and this song is very far from being their best! Iva=
n
songwriting has improve a lot since then...

> You have to have no
> musical ability, a constipated attempted singing voice, and a load of
> phony anger to make any impression on todays mindless youth.

Youth was, is and always will be mindless. And what you say is true of an=
y era
in pop music. Don't fool yourself, your days as a teenager were not any b=
etter
or worst than those of today's youth.

> I love
> Ivans unique singing and though the Spell is really uninteresting to me
> I'm glad to see he's still around. I just wish that he, and every other
> once good songwriter, would stop trying to fit in to todays music scene
> and do something good.

It is not because you don't understand something you have to shit all ove=
r it!
What makes you think Ivan is trying to fit into todays music scene? Maybe=
 I'm
not getting your point here. Are you talking about artists like Bowie?

> When all these artists say that they believe in
> what they are doing presently it seems like such a crock. What they
> really want is to be refered to as "hip" and have another chart topper.
> Most of the time these people just start alienating their original fan
> base and end up in the cutout bin. If all of these people consider this
> progress then I would take a Folk of the 80's Part 4 anyday, regardless
> of the decade.

Are you suggesting that good musicians should just endlessly repeat thems=
elves
to satisfy their once younger fans who are unable to broaden their musica=
l
horizons? Hum... I think Kiss are doing just that. They even brought back=
 the make-up.

Take care (and I mean that)

Claude


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) slightly related
Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:42:34 +0100


for all you UK residents - if you near Tomski's new single 14 Hours To
Save The Earth on Radio 1, Kiss FM or similar stations - you're probably
hearing my handywork!  The radio edit was done some time ago and
(unfortunately) doesn't appear on the CD single - bummer!

enjoy

}:-)
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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) boots 6,7,8
Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:54:59 EDT


Have I missed something, are these boots available for sale now.  I have not
heard anything yet, but I may have missed something.

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER
Date: 05 Apr 1998 13:12:31 EDT


After what I heard on CD#9, (or 8 I'm not sure), I'm not to excited to get an
Ivan show.
No wonder why he didn't book a lot of shows.

-----------------

OK, I did not have the final answer for the REAL mwh show BUT  If you are
interested to get a private show  PLEASE E-mail me, I'm gonna do a new survey
to organize this show.

So E-mail me with the number of people who will attend this show.

Ciao

Francis



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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan is confusing me.
Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:10:45 -0400


At 06:44 PM 4/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>    I get confused sometimes too, because Ivan says he wants to leave
> the Hats behind him...yet he also is quoted as saying "he enjoys doing
>PGTW and Saftey Dance" in his sets. "Something in that quote isn't
>right...and this is what I know."

Collin, I see your point.  Two things come to mind: (1) maybe Ivan
genuinely likes to play these songs even though he's played them hundreds
of times; (2) or he's come to realize that he has to 'play the game' i.e.
if he wants his solo career to be successful, he has to give in (just a
tad) to those people who equate him with MWH.  I won't say it's *all* about
selling records, but if you don't sell records, then you won't have the
financial backing to be an artist.

>    ALSO...IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE MEN WITHOUT HATS BEHIND, HOW COME
>THERE IS A MEN WITHOUT HATS RECORD SPINNING IN THE OPEN YOUR EYES
>VIDEO...DID HE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

And that's another good point, which falls in the same category as 'playing
the game'.  A couple of weeks ago, Ivan was featured in a Montreal Gazette
article.  The article made it sound as though Ivan wanted to forge ahead
with his career, and wanted to downplay his MWH past (although he is proud
of it).  Ironically, the Gazette printed a picture of Ivan in his Montreal
studio bathroom whose walls just happen to be lined with 'Rhythm of Youth'
LP's.  Financially, Ivan needs us to know he was once the founder of MWH,
but artistically he would rather we forget it.  And that's his catch-22
dilemma.

What I'm worried about is the fact that I don't really believe you can
achieve fan loyalty in the dance music/techno business, and if it's
possible, few have achieved it.  'Open your Eyes' is a very good song, and
it received a lot of airplay here in the province of Quebec.  Yet, Ivan's
'The Spell' is not roaring up the charts.  Even more disturbing, I don't
think he's becoming any more popular because of the song.  Yes,
dance/techno is probably where the youth is at, but of all the musical
categories, it is the one with the most 'one-hit wonders'.  However, when
you play rock, pop, etc., the chances are on your side that if you get that
one big hit, a good porion of the fans will stick around for the long haul.
 We are living proof of that.

Any comments...?

Vince




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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER
Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:24:55 -0700


At 10:12 -0700 04/05/98, JDivito334 wrote:
>OK, I did not have the final answer for the REAL mwh show BUT  If you are
>interested to get a private show  PLEASE E-mail me, I'm gonna do a new survey
>to organize this show.

So are we assuming that Ivan's not going to do a private MWH show for us,
and that he's only willing to do primarily Ivan material...?

Please clarify that a little, as it would weigh heavily on my answer :)

Thanks!

--
Gregory Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gtsamson[at]bigfoot[dot]com)
"...fairies never say `We feel happy': what they say is, `We feel *dancey.*'"
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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show.....WE NEED YOUR ANSWER
Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:49:05 EDT


I would like to go on record to say that if this is just an Ivan show, I will
not be attending.  I find "The Spell" pretty average (though I really dig
1972).  It just isn't worth it to me to spend all the money and effort to get
to the show and not hear "Mother's Opinion" ,"Walk on Water", etc.  I hope
that the show does go off, and that many fans do get to attend and that it
does get videotaped.  I thought the idea to make some sort of documentary was
also a cool idea, with people taping their pilgrimages the whole way.  I am
sure that someone could put all of the tapes together.  Anyway that is my two
cents, as I am out of the concert picture.  I need to try and get Cd #8, if
someone could get me Richards e-mail address, I would appreciate it.

Chris
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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: The Spell
Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:53:34 -0400 (EDT)


I can see where you're coming from Vince.  I'm sure living under the
shadow of MWH is frustrating for Ivan.  I wonder how many times he gets
called the Safety Dance guy.  that's all many know him as, unlike us on
the list, who know all of his other stuff.

What I don't understand is, why would he, if he's trying to seperate
himself from MWH want to put out another MWH album in the future, along
with solo stuff.  Would it be to carry on the legacy of MWH, or does
certain material to him have a certain place it has to fall.

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From: James <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:41:16 -0700


> >
> > I'll cast my 2 cents with those who dislike Ivan's new release. "The
> > Spell" has next to nothing that I liked about MWH. Of course, this is
> > coming from someone who thinks all of the current techno dance stuff is
> > very lame, so my strong dislike for "The Spell" is consistant with my
> > feelings on all music of this type.
> >
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) real music
Date: 05 Apr 1998 22:29:24 -0400


>I'm glad to see he's still around. I just wish that he, and every other
>once good songwriter, would stop trying to fit in to todays music scene
>and do something good. When all these artists say that they believe in

In my opinion, I don't think Ivan is trying to be hip.  I don't know why,
but I just feel it (I don't know Ivan personally).  If he did, I think the
music would sound more like what is on the dance radio stations (the cheesy
euro crap) and be repetitive than the pop and hiphop on the CD.  For me, it
shows on the CD that he is trying some styles he likes.    I wonder if Ivan
is interested in remixing?  That brings to mind a question, if Ivan were to
personally remix some MWH tracks (not that they need to be, this is just a
fun question), I wonder how they would be?  Actually, I guess it has been
done already with his performance of "The Safety Dance" and "PGTW".

Just to put my 2 cents in, I agree with you too on the fact that 90s music
tends to be transparent.


>for all you UK residents - if you near Tomski's new single 14 Hours To
>Save The Earth on Radio 1, Kiss FM or similar stations - you're probably
>hearing my handywork!  The radio edit was done some time ago and
>(unfortunately) doesn't appear on the CD single - bummer!
>
>enjoy
>
>}:-)
>Mike

Maybe we can catch them on RealAudio if they broadcast :)

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From: X <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) boots 6,7,8
Date: 06 Apr 1998 00:41:08 -0400 (EDT)


Ivan performed tonght LIVE on CFNY 102.1fm in Toronto. Did anyone tape
it??? It was amazing! it was live from a club called Whiskey Saigon and he
did PGTW and Safety Dance...Im not sure but i think he also did 1972 and
open your eyes...did anyone tape this? The sound quality was amazing ! The
safety dance version was way different then how he performed it at NXNE...

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Kooky Idiots Singing on Stage
Date: 06 Apr 1998 00:43:18 -0400 (EDT)



> You no it's not april 1st anymore.  Are you joking????

Absolutely not.  I've been a fan of the "classic" incarnation of Kiss
since I was 12 years old (in 1978).  I own every official Kiss CD in
existence and quite a few boots to boot.  I hated Kiss without Ace,
Peter and makeup all throughout the 80s.  Even though I have all the
CDs from that period, I to this day cannot stand to listen to them.

> Kiss never were "incredible".

How dare you form such concrete opinions!  How do you sleep?!

> They were a gimmick (exactly as the Spice Girls).

You are just another one of those who are simply unable to see
*through* the makeup and costumes to find out and understand what it is
that's just so magic about them.  I've met many people like you in my
day.  There's no way I can change your mind about them so I won't even
try.

> I admit they were very appealing to youngsters with their superhero
  stance, and the Kiss army (now we have the Spice cadets).

When I met my metalhead wife in 1990, she had never really listened to
Kiss and would literally leave the room any time I ever tried to play
their music when she was around.  In 1995, a Kiss-emulation band,
Strutter, came to play the Cains in Tulsa (Yes, the same place MWH
played in 1988!).  I bought two tickets and told my wife she was going
with me whether she wanted to or not.  She did - and she's been a
bigger Kiss fan since that night than I ever had been at the height of
my own Kissmania in the late 70s and early 80s.  And all of this
happened to her in her early 20s.  It's not just appealing to kids.
I used to argue this point with the idiot adults when I was a kid but,
because I was a kid, I was unable to prove the point.  I'm 31 now and
I'm here to tell you that Kiss is still an incredible band.

> Music can't suffer from lack of make-up (please, just think about
  it).

Kiss suffered from a major identity crisis after they removed their
makeup and it took years for them to get another one with which they
could be successful.  In trying to find a new personal identity, Gene
went off doing movies and production work for other bands and such.  He
put Kiss on a back burner for a few years and as a result the music did
suffer.

> This is not old energy (Paul Stanley seems to be the only one able to
  stand up by himself)

Whatever.  You must be unaware of how physically heavy Gene's costume
really is.

> nor magic, it is marketing!

Brrrrrttt!  The fact is they've got a beyondo extremo fanbase that just
won't quit supporting them even after a full quarter of a century.  How
many seriously successful bands are there today who give credit to Kiss
for inspiring them to pick up a guitar and play it in the first place?
New Kids on the Block were a marketing gimmick and we see where they
are today.

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cover Art + Ivan video collection
Date: 06 Apr 1998 10:18:36 -0600


I've finished Moonbeam and it's now up on the site:
http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm

Just a small warning, the site has grown a bit and now takes a few
seconds to download (it's fairly graphics intensive since that's what
the page is all about!)  So, thanks for your patience on that.

I'm going to try to tape Ivan's appearance on the TSN show, but my cable

has been unreliable lately so I hope someone out there will also try
taping it.  This would go great with Tom's copy of "Open Your Eyes" and
my
copy of "Superbadgirls". I'm still not convinced "1972" exists but if
someone has actually seen it or better yet even taped it, let us know!

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) offtopic but I need help
Date: 06 Apr 1998 15:02:02 -0400


Hello everyone,

I am sorry that this is offtopic, and I apologize if I already posted this a
while ago (I can't even remember if I did) but I need help fast.  I am
TRYING to learn Java but the examples in the books I am using don't work
(!).  The java newsgroups don't help at all and I am hoping that there is
someone here who programs in Java who can help me with a project I am trying
to make.  The books make it seem so easy yet nothing works out for me (I
can't even get checkboxes to work!).

If you can help, please send me an e-mail.

Thank you.

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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 06 Apr 1998 13:36:21 -0500 (CDT)


On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Claude Gr=E9goire wrote:

> Please, let's not start throwing stones to quickly, Aaron has not heard "=
The
> Spell" yet. But tell me my friend, where have you read that most of us do=
n't
> like it???? I hope you are wrong (is he? please comments on this hatters!=
)

I don't think The Spell is anything to get excited about whatsoever
(except as a marker that says Ivan is back making music).  I think Forever
is the exceptional track, and it's _very_ good, but the album as a whole
is filled with songs that just don't interest me or "stick with" me a few
minutes later.  Open Your Eyes, Superbadgirls, The Spell, and occasionally
www and You are pleasant enough to listen to, but they're nothing really
special, and the remaining tracks don't even need mentioning.=20

The whole album has this sort of "flat" sound to it - for me comparing
Ivan to (earlier, especially) Men Without Hats is like comparing Pet Shop
Boys to Erasure: the former have very complex orchestrations, and
sometimes nice musical ideas, but they really lack the "spunk" or "life"=20
that make the latter so enjoyable to listen to.  It's like Ivan and PSB
are "too refined" or something; the kernel ideas get buried under layers
and layers of coating, until you're kept so far away from them that it's
really sterile.

Then again, I wasn't overly impressed with "Sideways", so, go ahead and
write me off as "unwilling to evolve" or something if you want.  (I think
the process from Folk of the 80's EP through PGTW was evolution, and there
was great music through that whole period.)

Take care,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Sideways cd FS
Date: 06 Apr 1998 15:41:36 -0700


Hi,
   I have an extra copy of the Men Without Hats "Sideways" cd for sale. It
would be $15 US (which includes shipping within North America). If you are
interested please let me know.

Kirk


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on CFNY
Date: 06 Apr 1998 12:55:31 -0400


At 12:41 AM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Ivan performed tonght LIVE on CFNY 102.1fm in Toronto. Did anyone tape
>it??? It was amazing! it was live from a club called Whiskey Saigon and he
>did PGTW and Safety Dance...Im not sure but i think he also did 1972 and
>open your eyes...did anyone tape this? The sound quality was amazing ! The
>safety dance version was way different then how he performed it at NXNE...
>
>Daniele- well?
>
>

CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >:(  See what
happens when you don't listen to CFNY?

CFNY is an alternative music station.  I don't listen to it because I don't
like alternative music.  However, the fact that Ivan performed at Whiskey
Saigon (a club) on Sunday night is interesting. Sunday nights, CFNY
broadcasts from there and it's all retro 80s.  So according to our
discussion about Ivan possibly trying to prevent people from associating him
with MWH, this is a major contradiction! :D   I used to listen to their
broadcast from Whiskey Saigon but they always play the exact same songs
(sometimes almost in the same order!) so I grew tired of it.  I wish
yesterday was an exception :(

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From: Janet Lumb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 18:05:38 -0400 (EDT)


I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
definately -did not- send any of his
fans any nasty E-mail messages.
Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
and new JP8000!).
I know 1st hand that he hasnt and wouldnt send anyone bad vibes like that by
any means.
While UFORIA his own label is in the process of getting a website (they will
be online in a week or so) we around Ivan can expressly guarantee that under
no circumstances would he or anyone associated with him
send anyone appreiative of his work an E-mail with anything but the highest
regards (as those fans of his that have met him will understand).
Cheers, Gary.
Ps, A lot of the new stuff we are programming does sound very HATS and that
may lead on or back to something else, (but this is up to the man himself).
pps Laura, can uu send me one of your new T-shirts (as you know we dont have
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 18:20:53 -0400


> I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
> definately -did not- send any of his
> fans any nasty E-mail messages.
> Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats
synths
> and new JP8000!).

It looks like we are going to have more of a Folk of the Eighties type MWH
album and not a sideways part II type album.

This should make many people very happy, except for sideways fans.

Tom
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Thus sayeth the LORD
Date: 06 Apr 1998 00:41:42 -0400 (EDT)



> If you are very disconnected from the world, then maybe you will have
  difficulties understanding why rap and old-style disco are very "in"
  today.

Ah!  I get it now.  I'm a hermit!

> Are you God?

No, just a LORD.

> Oh boy!  EVERYTHING in pop music owes its style and sound to
  something else!

There is a difference between being influenced by something and being a
carbon-copy of it.

> The goal of a musician is not to come up with never seen before
  tricks, it is to express himself through music.

But when you can do both, you really turn heads.

> I love it (even if I despise disco and rap).

I love some of it.  But why would you despise disco?  I think disco is
cool.  I loved it in the 70s and I love it today.

> So try to be more open minded.

With a list of favourites that includes Vivaldi, Bach, and Mozart;
Schoenberg, Berg and Webern; Syd Barrett, Pink Floyd and KISS; Men
Without Hats, Gary Numan and Yoko Ono; Debbie Gibson, Nine Inch Nails
and Hanson - I don't think I need to be more open minded.  Just
admitting that I like most of these gets me in enough trouble already
with a lot of people.  And a lot of people still haven't heard the
music and sounds that I personally like to create!  (And no, Eric and
Russ, I'm not referring to just my early Ymphony!s either!  :-) ).

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 06 Apr 1998 18:22:45 -0400 (EDT)


Woody,

I wholeheartedly agree.  From Fot80s to PGTW, there is clear evidence of
an evolution occurring in Ivan's musical abilities and development as an
artist.  However, after PGTW, there have only been shifts in style and
direction.  But I really cannot say that this is so bad.  I think Ivan
really went "over the top" with PGTW just as the Beatles did with "Sgt.
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band".  He even said in one of the interviews
on the video compilation that it was like his own "Sgt. Pepper...".
The Beatles had a hard time trying to top that album afterwards - and
whether "Abbey Road" did or did not is debatable.  I believe that this
played a large role in the group's ultimate demise.  I think Pink Floyd
has reached a similar pinnacle with the release of the "Pulse" concert
video in 1995.  I literally don't know how they or anyone else can do
any more on a stage than what they did during that particular Earls Court
appearance.  If they retired now I'd not mind it a bit.  "Pulse" on video
has left me completely fulfilled and satisfied at least on the Pink Floyd
level.  Now Ivan's a bit different.  He satisfied me musically with PGTW
but he's not produced a lot of other product in the nearly two decades that
he's been around to entertain us - but the CDs being produced by the fine
folks on this list are kindof helping me deal with that.  There is still
no officially released, professional quality video compilation available.
There are still no live shows from the PGTW, 21st Century, and Sideways
tours around to be heard.  There's only one professionally filmed concert
video to be seen - which is damn good, but still only representative of
a slice of the MWH/Ivan career.  I would love to see a MWH/Ivan career
documentary with vintage video from the RoY tour and before that even.

Where all that was leading I don't know, but... :-)

My biggest compliment for PGTW is that it's cohesive in both style
and concept from beginning to end.  My biggest complaint for The Spell
is that it's "all over the board".  I simply cannot shift my moods
as fast as The Spell shifts its, in order to enjoy it the way I do
PGTW or anything that came before.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN (long again, sorry)
Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:47:45 -0400


Hi everyone,

I haven't been able to record Ivan on CFNY but I do have him on TSN.  My
thoughts on the show, well, Ivan doesn't seem to be much of a talker! :)  I
have never seen this show before (I'm not a big sports fan so the only time
I watch TSN is during the World Cup <grin>) so I might not have a good
perception of it. I think it's a talk show where celebrities come on and
give their views on sports events of the week.  On today's show Ivan was on,
an actress I do not know, and a former Hamilton Wildcats football
player/wrestler.  He seemed to be the only one who was energetic ont he show
:)  I don't want to sound terrible but the topics were not very thought
provoking.  As for Ivan, we don't learn anything about him except that he is
for women going topless (law recently passed here in Toronto)--don't take
this out of context but I think he is for it as in equality (in case youa re
wonderign what that has to do with sports events, they were referring to the
16-yr old tennis player who posed very provacatively for Sports Illustrated).

They showed a clip of the "Superbadgirls" video.  I haven't seen the video
but I LIKE IT SO FAR!  I like how the picture moves right to left.  Hurts my
eyes but it seems to fit the song!! :)

Ivan looked different in this show than in the video where fans from this
list met Ivan in Montreal. On TSN, Ivan's face was rounder.  Camera tricks?! :)

At the end, they breifly mentioned Ivan's CD and single 1972.  I think there
is a mix-up, at first I thought Ivan said there was a cd single out but I
think he meant the latest track is "1972".  Funny how he didn't call it
"1972 (Slippin' Away)" :)

As for the news about Ivan's new material being made on his MWH synth--LOVE
IT!!!   I can't wait to hear what he creates from it!!!  So UFORIA and TOX
are two different entities?  I always wondered what it was.  Well, can
anyone shed some more light? :)

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN (long again, sorry)
Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:47:45 -0400


Hi everyone,

I haven't been able to record Ivan on CFNY but I do have him on TSN.  My
thoughts on the show, well, Ivan doesn't seem to be much of a talker! :)  I
have never seen this show before (I'm not a big sports fan so the only time
I watch TSN is during the World Cup <grin>) so I might not have a good
perception of it. I think it's a talk show where celebrities come on and
give their views on sports events of the week.  On today's show Ivan was on,
an actress I do not know, and a former Hamilton Wildcats football
player/wrestler.  He seemed to be the only one who was energetic ont he show
:)  I don't want to sound terrible but the topics were not very thought
provoking.  As for Ivan, we don't learn anything about him except that he is
for women going topless (law recently passed here in Toronto)--don't take
this out of context but I think he is for it as in equality (in case youa re
wonderign what that has to do with sports events, they were referring to the
16-yr old tennis player who posed very provacatively for Sports Illustrated).

They showed a clip of the "Superbadgirls" video.  I haven't seen the video
but I LIKE IT SO FAR!  I like how the picture moves right to left.  Hurts my
eyes but it seems to fit the song!! :)

Ivan looked different in this show than in the video where fans from this
list met Ivan in Montreal. On TSN, Ivan's face was rounder.  Camera tricks?! :)

At the end, they breifly mentioned Ivan's CD and single 1972.  I think there
is a mix-up, at first I thought Ivan said there was a cd single out but I
think he meant the latest track is "1972".  Funny how he didn't call it
"1972 (Slippin' Away)" :)

As for the news about Ivan's new material being made on his MWH synth--LOVE
IT!!!   I can't wait to hear what he creates from it!!!  So UFORIA and TOX
are two different entities?  I always wondered what it was.  Well, can
anyone shed some more light? :)

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IS IT TO LATE?
Date: 06 Apr 1998 16:59:06 -0700


OH DEAR..
is it too late to catch Ivan on TNN?
if that was even the channel?
=(
I seem down  on my luck lately.
if it is possible I am in Powell river B.C (near Vancouver)..what time would
it be on?

thanx
Michelle



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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cover Art + Ivan video collection.
Date: 06 Apr 1998 10:08:54 -0600


I've finished Moonbeam and it's now up on the site:
http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm

Just a small warning, the site has grown a bit and now takes about 45
seconds to download (it's fairly graphics intensive since that's what
it's all about!)  So, thanks for your patience on that.

I'm going to try to tape Ivan's appearance on the TSN show, but my cable
has been unreliable lately so I hope someone out there will also be
taping it.  This will go great with Tom's "Open Your Eyes" video and my
"Superbadgirls" video. I'm still not convinced "1972" exists but if
someone has actually seen it or better yet even taped it, let us know!

Senz





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From: Janet Lumb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT)


I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
definately -did not- send any of his
fans any nasty E-mail messages.
Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
and new JP8000!).
I know 1st hand that he hasnt and wouldnt send anyone bad vibes like that by
any means.
While UFORIA his own label is in the process of getting a website (they will
be online in a week or so) we around Ivan can expressly guarantee that under
no circumstances would he or anyone associated with him
send anyone appreiative of his work an E-mail with anything but the highest
regards (as those fans of his that have met him will understand).
Cheers, Gary.
Ps, A lot of the new stuff we are programming does sound very HATS and that
may lead on or back to something else, (but this is up to the man himself).
pps Laura, can uu send me one of your new T-shirts (as you know we dont have
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From: Janet Lumb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT)


I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
definately -did not- send any of his
fans any nasty E-mail messages.
Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
and new JP8000!).
I know 1st hand that he hasnt and wouldnt send anyone bad vibes like that by
any means.
While UFORIA his own label is in the process of getting a website (they will
be online in a week or so) we around Ivan can expressly guarantee that under
no circumstances would he or anyone associated with him
send anyone appreiative of his work an E-mail with anything but the highest
regards (as those fans of his that have met him will understand).
Cheers, Gary.
Ps, A lot of the new stuff we are programming does sound very HATS and that
may lead on or back to something else, (but this is up to the man himself).
pps Laura, can uu send me one of your new T-shirts (as you know we dont have
any!) legal reasons...



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From: Janet Lumb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT)


I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
definately -did not- send any of his
fans any nasty E-mail messages.
Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
and new JP8000!).
I know 1st hand that he hasnt and wouldnt send anyone bad vibes like that by
any means.
While UFORIA his own label is in the process of getting a website (they will
be online in a week or so) we around Ivan can expressly guarantee that under
no circumstances would he or anyone associated with him
send anyone appreiative of his work an E-mail with anything but the highest
regards (as those fans of his that have met him will understand).
Cheers, Gary.
Ps, A lot of the new stuff we are programming does sound very HATS and that
may lead on or back to something else, (but this is up to the man himself).
pps Laura, can uu send me one of your new T-shirts (as you know we dont have
any!) legal reasons...



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From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) real music
Date: 06 Apr 1998 20:54:50 EDT


i have felt for years that he is not trying to be hip.
it is just not his style. nor do i think he cares all that much about the
money
 happy to see someone else sees this.

he does whatever he feels like doing.

if he released a speed metal or classical or hip hop or jazz album, whatever,
i would buy it and i know i would like it.

maybe he will feel like doing another mwh album. who knows?  i'll bet ivan
doesn't.....

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From: ADTooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Private Show
Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:13:46 EDT


Has everyone e-mailed Francis to tell him whether or not you would be
interested in
attending a private Ivan (not MWH) show in Montreal?  If not please do.  If
this show can go on, it would be a wonderful thing.  But the feedback I have
been getting is that most people are not willing to travel far to see a show
that does not mainly feature the music of MWH.  Whatever your feelings, let
Francis know.

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan on TSN
Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:15:13 -0600


You're right Daniele, Ivan is not a talker, he is more of a thinker and my
impression of him on the show was basically that he was not interested in the idle
chit chat that was for the first 5 minutes or so.  (Also with the boisterous
personality of that pro-wrestler no one could hardly get a word in edgewise
anyway!)  The purpose of "Off The Record" is not sports events of the week but more
like social issues concerning sports. I've seen the show a few times now and they
have a wide range of guests like Pierre Burton and the lead singer of Pursuit of
Happiness.  The comment he made about topless women was to point out that people
seem overly ashamed of their bodies and perhaps that the topic of conversation was
a little silly or trite.  I also liked the comment he made about the goalies
fighting and how it was just their way of male bonding!  (I had to laugh).  At the
end they were discussing sexual aspects in sports and at the end you can just
barely hear him say something about the fact that all sports involve sexual
connotations because most of the time it involves putting "things into holes"!!!
Again, I had to laugh.  Despite Ivan having to put up with some pretty trivial
topics, he seemed to have a lot of fun and was laughing quite a bit. After hearing
some of "Superbadgirls", the actress was genuinely impressed and gave Ivan several
compliments.

How's your copy of this show Daniele, mine is fairly good but "could be better".

I also got good news today regarding Ivan.  When Ivan mentioned "1972" as a single
I thought I take a stroll down the block to HMV and see if they could at least
order the singles for me.  They couldn't.  Then the guy there says "btw, did you
know Ivan is playing at the Republik on April 17?"  The Republik is a nightclub for
alternative bands some four blocks from my place!  Woohoo! (I say)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Singles
Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT)



    Does anybody know if any of these singles are still available:

1. The Spell
2. Superbadgirls
3. 1972

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From: BDay0000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Men Without Excuses
Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:04:14 EDT


In a message dated 98-04-06 18:21:05 EDT, you write:

<< Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
 and new JP8000!). >>

And he won't do our show for what reason again, please?????      =[


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Subject: (hats) Men Without Excuses
Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:04:14 EDT


In a message dated 98-04-06 18:21:05 EDT, you write:

<< Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
 and new JP8000!). >>

And he won't do our show for what reason again, please?????      =[


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in Calgary...confirmed!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 22:03:29 -0600


Without a doubt, April 17, in Calgary Alberta at the Republik.  (8:30pm.)

The theme of the week at the Republic is "Retro 80's" and he is being billed as "Ivan:
Ex-singer of Men Without Hats".  So much for leaving the past behind!  Can't wait to
say hi to him again!

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Subject: (hats) Men Without Excuses
Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:04:14 EDT


In a message dated 98-04-06 18:21:05 EDT, you write:

<< Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats synths
 and new JP8000!). >>

And he won't do our show for what reason again, please?????      =[


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) It is not too late!
Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:46:28 -0400



>OH DEAR..
>is it too late to catch Ivan on TNN?
>if that was even the channel?
>=(
>I seem down  on my luck lately.
>if it is possible I am in Powell river B.C (near Vancouver)..what time would
>it be on?

I hope I am not too late, but the show repeats at 3:00 am tonight (Monday)
and the following afternoon (Tuesday) at 12:00 on TSN (not TNN, Ivan doesn't
sing country music <grin>).

Also, I have no idea why my long message was posted to the list twice.  I
apologize for this.

I will reply to Senz' e-mail....
>
>You're right Daniele, Ivan is not a talker, he is more of a thinker and my
>impression of him on the show was basically that he was not interested in
the >idle chit chat that was for the first 5 minutes or so.  (Also with the

Boy was that ever noticeable!! :)  The first two topics basically answered
themselves.  I guess I was right in thinking that Ivan really did have a
look on his face that seemed to say "What am I doing here?"  :)

>How's your copy of this show Daniele, mine is fairly good but "could be
>better".

Mine is good in a vhs sort of way :)  It's clear.

>I also got good news today regarding Ivan.  When Ivan mentioned "1972" as a
single
>I thought I take a stroll down the block to HMV and see if they could at least
>order the singles for me.  They couldn't.  Then the guy there says "btw, did
Does that mean there is one?


>know Ivan is playing at the Republik on April 17?"  The Republik is a
nightclub

In which city do you live? :)

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Subject: Re: (hats) It is not too late!
Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:05:03 -0400 (EDT)




    Does anybody know the phone # to the Republik?

    I'm thinking of journeying up there one weekend.

    Daniele....do you know?


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From: PTKOLB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Kooky Idiots Singing on Stage (NON MWH)
Date: 06 Apr 1998 10:15:09 EDT


I concur with your opinions of Kiss.  I simply adored them in elementary
school (I'm the same age as you) and by the time they lost the makeup, I was
losing interest.  I came to mock them during my "punk rock" years- there was a
Zildjian ad w/ peter Chris stating "this is serious music" that I turned into
a not-so-flattering t-shirt.  After I got a little more open-minded, I
returned to listening to them and playing the music.  "Firehouse" is still one
of my faves to just wail along with my guitar.   A marketing exercise?
Hardly.  Just 4 hardworking guys.  I caught a few minutes of Jerry Cantrell
talking about how he loved Kiss and they are the reason he is in music.  I
just bought a used "Kiss Meets the Phantom of The Amusement Park" (or whatever
the actual title is) video and fondly recalled when it was on network tv in
the 70s (ok, this could have been marketing...).  I have seen Strutter (very
good!) and Firehouse (not as good) as they occassionally swing through here.
There is a short article about who (and what happened to them) the
replacements for the original band members were in the newest issue of Maxim
magazine.  I still think it was weird that the guy from Mr. Mister was
supposed to play with them (immediately before Bruce Kubiak joined). There are
a million bands that owe a great debt to Kiss (one of them, Insane Clown Posse
was here a couple nites ago)....
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Subject: Re: (hats) It is not too late!
Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:05:03 -0400 (EDT)




    Does anybody know the phone # to the Republik?

    I'm thinking of journeying up there one weekend.

    Daniele....do you know?


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) JP8000 & stuff
Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:01:15 +0100


>It looks like we are going to have more of a Folk of the Eighties type MWH
>album and not a sideways part II type album.
>
>This should make many people very happy, except for sideways fans.
>
>Tom
>[e-mail]
i wish they'd use 'proper' modern analogue synths like the nord lead
instead - the JP8000 sounds thin and weedy in comparison.  I'll with-hold
my final judgement until I hear the music though

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in Calgary...confirmed!
Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:01:20 +0100


>Without a doubt, April 17, in Calgary Alberta at the Republik.  (8:30pm.)
>
>
>Senz
damned, can't make it!  Its a long drive from London and I dont finish
'till 5pm

}:-(
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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) All the negativity!
Date: 07 Apr 1998 08:30:31 -0400 (EDT)


Sideways fans will be bummed, but Folk fans will love it!  I could care
less, whatever Ivan puts out on the market, I WILL LOVE IT!

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell vs. PGTW
Date: 07 Apr 1998 06:39:23 -0700


Myke (Lord H) writes:
>My biggest compliment for PGTW is that it's cohesive in both
>style and concept from beginning to end.

Yes, PGTW is Ivan's rock opera, much like Sgt Pepper, or Tommy. It's a
single story told consecutively through several songs of similar styles.

>My biggest complaint for The Spell is that it's "all over the board".

The Spell, to me, is more like an anthology of short stories as opposed
to a novel. Instead of telling a single story, Ivan treats us to many
stories in very different styles within the same album. On the surface,
they don't have much to do with each other. But when you put them all
together, they form a larger picture.

Each of the songs seems to me like it could be placed seamlessly onto a
prior album, and since Ivan had spanned so many styles through the
years, The Spell seems no more disjointed to me than a compilation of
random MWH songs would have seemed. Put "I Know Their Name" and "All We
Know" and "Freeways" together, and you'll also get "all over the board."

Also, being "all over the board" to me would not be a complaint. The
ability to do so attests to the artist's creativity and musical
eclecticism. The inability to stay to a single style (which Ivan can
certainly do if he wanted to) is a sign of musical immaturity. The
choice to go all over on a single album speaks of the artist's courage
and pioneering spirit, unafraid to experiment and drawn by whatever he
might find.

I wouldn't want Ivan to make another PGTW. One is enough for me. At
times, listening to it, I am whisked to another place, and I am part of
Johnny and Jenny's life (although actually they are part of ours). I
sometimes weep for the love and joy and understanding that went into it.
Other times, I find it annoying because it's all about the same thing.
Where's the variety of styles, the brave experimentation of the hats?
It's all a matter of mood, really.

And I can't blame Ivan for wanting to separate himself from his roots,
but recognizing the need to keep them. It's paradoxical that artists
want to always best their previous efforts. What was a pinnacle
yesterday becomes an expectation today and almost embarrassing tomorrow.
When I look back at my own old work, I see a lot of enthusiasm, but not
much focus. Looking at my current work, I can see a lot of maturity and
thought. When I show my work to someone, I'd prefer to show them my most
recent stuff, which has all the years of experience going into it. I
almost feel apologetic for my older stuff.

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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) TSN Ivan
Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:10:49 -0400


I think Ivan thought that "Off The Record" was a music show about
records. He can be hit and miss in the conversation department but
overall holds his own ground on camera. He may have had a late night
after the Whiskey Saigon performance, he looked like he could have used
a caffeine injection. I didn't get a chance to catch the whole show
(because of editing an upcoming World Cup promotion for Soccer Saturday,
Apr. 11)but will check out the tape today. Heard that the show was
bombing but, that's the way talk shows go.

I ran into Ivan coming out of the studio and only had time for quick
personal small talk has he was on his way out to the Life Channel or
something and I had to get back into edit suite.

"Off The Record" is repeated today (Tues. Apr. 7th) at Noon ET 9am PT.

...gotta run... more world cup.

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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Life Channel
Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:13:53 -0400


Ivan is on the Life Channel today. Don't know what time but it's
probably on Real Life with Erica Ehm. Check out their website, if they
have one.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN (long again, sorry)
Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:47:45 -0400


Hi everyone,

I haven't been able to record Ivan on CFNY but I do have him on TSN.  My
thoughts on the show, well, Ivan doesn't seem to be much of a talker! :)  I
have never seen this show before (I'm not a big sports fan so the only time
I watch TSN is during the World Cup <grin>) so I might not have a good
perception of it. I think it's a talk show where celebrities come on and
give their views on sports events of the week.  On today's show Ivan was on,
an actress I do not know, and a former Hamilton Wildcats football
player/wrestler.  He seemed to be the only one who was energetic ont he show
:)  I don't want to sound terrible but the topics were not very thought
provoking.  As for Ivan, we don't learn anything about him except that he is
for women going topless (law recently passed here in Toronto)--don't take
this out of context but I think he is for it as in equality (in case youa re
wonderign what that has to do with sports events, they were referring to the
16-yr old tennis player who posed very provacatively for Sports Illustrated).

They showed a clip of the "Superbadgirls" video.  I haven't seen the video
but I LIKE IT SO FAR!  I like how the picture moves right to left.  Hurts my
eyes but it seems to fit the song!! :)

Ivan looked different in this show than in the video where fans from this
list met Ivan in Montreal. On TSN, Ivan's face was rounder.  Camera tricks?! :)

At the end, they breifly mentioned Ivan's CD and single 1972.  I think there
is a mix-up, at first I thought Ivan said there was a cd single out but I
think he meant the latest track is "1972".  Funny how he didn't call it
"1972 (Slippin' Away)" :)

As for the news about Ivan's new material being made on his MWH synth--LOVE
IT!!!   I can't wait to hear what he creates from it!!!  So UFORIA and TOX
are two different entities?  I always wondered what it was.  Well, can
anyone shed some more light? :)

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IS IT TO LATE?
Date: 06 Apr 1998 16:59:06 -0700


OH DEAR..
is it too late to catch Ivan on TNN?
if that was even the channel?
=(
I seem down  on my luck lately.
if it is possible I am in Powell river B.C (near Vancouver)..what time would
it be on?

thanx
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Subject: (hats) Singles
Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT)



    Does anybody know if any of these singles are still available:

1. The Spell
2. Superbadgirls
3. 1972

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN (long again, sorry)
Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:47:45 -0400


Hi everyone,

I haven't been able to record Ivan on CFNY but I do have him on TSN.  My
thoughts on the show, well, Ivan doesn't seem to be much of a talker! :)  I
have never seen this show before (I'm not a big sports fan so the only time
I watch TSN is during the World Cup <grin>) so I might not have a good
perception of it. I think it's a talk show where celebrities come on and
give their views on sports events of the week.  On today's show Ivan was on,
an actress I do not know, and a former Hamilton Wildcats football
player/wrestler.  He seemed to be the only one who was energetic ont he show
:)  I don't want to sound terrible but the topics were not very thought
provoking.  As for Ivan, we don't learn anything about him except that he is
for women going topless (law recently passed here in Toronto)--don't take
this out of context but I think he is for it as in equality (in case youa re
wonderign what that has to do with sports events, they were referring to the
16-yr old tennis player who posed very provacatively for Sports Illustrated).

They showed a clip of the "Superbadgirls" video.  I haven't seen the video
but I LIKE IT SO FAR!  I like how the picture moves right to left.  Hurts my
eyes but it seems to fit the song!! :)

Ivan looked different in this show than in the video where fans from this
list met Ivan in Montreal. On TSN, Ivan's face was rounder.  Camera tricks?! :)

At the end, they breifly mentioned Ivan's CD and single 1972.  I think there
is a mix-up, at first I thought Ivan said there was a cd single out but I
think he meant the latest track is "1972".  Funny how he didn't call it
"1972 (Slippin' Away)" :)

As for the news about Ivan's new material being made on his MWH synth--LOVE
IT!!!   I can't wait to hear what he creates from it!!!  So UFORIA and TOX
are two different entities?  I always wondered what it was.  Well, can
anyone shed some more light? :)

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Ivan Collection
Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:51:26 -0400 (EDT)


It's beginning to sound as if there might be enough new stuff of
Ivan on TV these days that, combining it with the Montreal video
from last July, a new video compilation may be in order.  Ya think?
How 'bout it Tom?  You did a superb job on the first one.  Making
50 compilation masters has surely produced the desired results for
many newer members of the list.  And I'm starting to want to see
some of these appearances I've been reading about for about the past
year.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Life Network
Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:56:58 -0700


Real Life with Erica Ehm is on at 4 pm Toronto time (repeated at 3am)if
that helps anyone.

Kirk


Ivan is on the Life Channel today. Don't know what time but it's
probably on Real Life with Erica Ehm. Check out their website, if they
have one.

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell vs. PGTW
Date: 07 Apr 1998 12:00:41 -0400 (EDT)


Well put Dave.


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) All the negativity!
Date: 06 Apr 1998 18:20:53 -0400


> I just spoke Colin D and he wants everyone on this list to know that Ivan
> definately -did not- send any of his
> fans any nasty E-mail messages.
> Ivan is busy in the studio recording new material (with the old hats
synths
> and new JP8000!).

It looks like we are going to have more of a Folk of the Eighties type MWH
album and not a sideways part II type album.

This should make many people very happy, except for sideways fans.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan on Life Channel
Date: 07 Apr 1998 13:44:15 -0400



>Ivan is on the Life Channel today. Don't know what time but it's
>probably on Real Life with Erica Ehm. Check out their website, if they
>have one.


I just checed my tv guide and it's on at 4pm.  I'll be taping it of course
(unemployment has it's advantages).  So, Ivan has been in Toronto the past
few days and I haven't bumped into him yet >:(

;)

=====
>Yes, PGTW is Ivan's rock opera, much like Sgt Pepper, or Tommy. It's a
>single story told consecutively through several songs of similar styles.

That's what I like about that album.  One big story.  And it also feels like
a musical too.  I wonder if that's where the Abba influence comes from.  The
best has to be "The End (of the world)" where Jenny lists the tracks.

====

>a caffeine injection. I didn't get a chance to catch the whole show
>(because of editing an upcoming World Cup promotion for Soccer Saturday,
>Apr. 11)but will check out the tape today. Heard that the show was

COOL! Any chance you can tell us which grid in the snickers contest has the
soccer ball? ;)

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Ivan Collection
Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT)


I would love to have a new video collection!  If there's anyway I can help
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Ivan Collection
Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT)


Quite honestly, I don't see why I shouldn't make an official
offer to begin making an Ivan compilation.  I don't quite know
how Tom was able to get all the tapes from all the sources back
in '96 to do the first one, though.  Tom, did you just have
everybody mail to you their masters so you could make the 50
original compilations and then mail them back?  Or what?
The only thing I wouldn't be able to do which Tom did do
is make PAL versions.

I'm game!

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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Real Life
Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:50:22 -0400


Ivan performed "Open Your Eyes" while chewing gum on on "Real Life". Boy
what a freakin' awful mix! His vocals were dry and double the bg dat
music track. A joke.
Complete with 2 gawdy female dancers.

Next... the interview with Erica Ehm.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Life Network -interesting info! :)
Date: 07 Apr 1998 17:20:12 -0400


I just recorded Ivan's performance/interview on a show called "Real Life" on
a channel called "The Life Network".  I know I wrote so many e-mails to the
list already so I apologize for the mailbox flood <mops everything up> and
until Ivan returns to Toronto, I won't e-mail bomb the list anymore :)



Great interview.  A few of our common questions were answered.  Before Ivan
came on, a woman was tlaking about Easter treats :9  I love chocolate!!  So
tomorrrow I will try to make thsoe chocolate Easter eggs (I have GOT to get
out more).  At the end of that segment, the host, Erica Ehm (from MuchMusic
who interviewd Ivan before--you'll see her in a PGTW interview soon) asked
her if she liked Men Without Hats.  She didn't know what she was talking
about so she asked while laughing "Men without hats?!" probably thinking she
is going to talk about dating and such.  Too bad I asn't taping at that
point.  It was funny.  But onto Ivan...If you want to save it as a surprise,
delete now....

First, he performed "Open Your Eyes" to a backing track with an added
beginning which sounded like a tape being screwed up.  He sings great live.
Most singers I've noticed sound too different from the studio.  At the end,
he sings "Superbadgirls" but it's cut off.

On to the interview....

1. HIS MOTHER HAS SECRETS!
2. JENNY IS FOR THE FANS!
3. "SIDEWAYS" IS ANTI-BILL GATES!
4. IVAN CONCERNED OVER CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME!
5. IVAN SHOPS AT K-MART WITH HIS HAIR IN A BUN!

I'm sure Senz and other fellow Canadian hatters who caught the program would
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Ivan Collection
Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:19:32 -0400




----------
> From: Tom Norman <[e-mail]>
> To: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (hats) The Ivan Collection
> Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 6:18 PM
>
>
> > It's beginning to sound as if there might be enough new stuff of
> > Ivan on TV these days that, combining it with the Montreal video
> > from last July, a new video compilation may be in order.  Ya think?
> > How 'bout it Tom?  You did a superb job on the first one.  Making
> > 50 compilation masters has surely produced the desired results for
> > many newer members of the list.  And I'm starting to want to see
> > some of these appearances I've been reading about for about the past
> > year.
> >
> > Myke
>
> I am already planning to do this for everyone don't worry.   I've already
> got the original IVan Montreal tape, plus Claude's Musique Plus
> performance.
>       Basically, This is what I propose and is also how the last video
was
> done:
>
> 1. Everyone send me their original master videotapes
>
> 2. I will use all the master tapes and make a S-VHS copy.
>
> 3.  I will then send back all the masters + a copy of the new Ivan 2
> hr. video
>
> I need some people to post to the list that I can be trusted, preferably
> people who participated last time.
>
> The contributers get a free video of course.
>
> I was holding out for the 1972 video.  What do you all think?
>
> Tom
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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan on Life Network
Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:20:24 -0600


> I just recorded Ivan's performance/interview on a show called "Real Life" on
> a channel called "The Life Network"....  Great interview.

I goes to show you that Ivan is easier to hear in a one on one interview than in
the format of yesterdays show which is similar to "Politically Incorrect" (for
our american listees) Still, Ivan came across as a quiet person. But that is one
of the reasons why I admire him!

btw, Ivan knew what he was getting into yesterday.  He knows what "Off the
Record" is!   Afterall, it was on TSN!!  "The SPORTS Network".  He's not
stupid!!  He was there to promote himself and was just being himself. I enjoyed
seeing him being honest instead of trying to fit in. Ivan is no socialite!!

> First, he performed "Open Your Eyes" to a backing track with an added
> beginning which sounded like a tape being screwed up.  He sings great live.
> Most singers I've noticed sound too different from the studio.  At the end,
> he sings "Superbadgirls" but it's cut off.

I liked the fact that even with the vocal mix way out of wack his voice was
still nice to listen to.  The dancers in spandix were also way out of wack but
perhaps on purpose?

> 1. HIS MOTHER HAS SECRETS!

Or Ivan knows we don't care to see him do vocal scales and is just making an
excuse!

> 3. "SIDEWAYS" IS ANTI-BILL GATES!

What he really said was that back in 1990 making electronic music was tedious
and he was tired of rebooting computers to make music. These days it's easier so
he's back to electronic music. One point he made was that the variety of sounds
available in the newest technology and the ease with which it is used allows him
great flexability.  The example he used was that he could have an entire
orchestra to use when ever he needed it's sound.

> 4. IVAN CONCERNED OVER CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME!

That is true, Ivan is an accomplished piano player who plays so much that he has
to deal with the strain on his hands.

> 5. IVAN SHOPS AT K-MART WITH HIS HAIR IN A BUN!

And people recognized him too!!!!

Overall, Ivan conducted himself very well.  Basically a straight forward
interview to explain who Ivan is for people who watch the show regularily
looking for cooking tips!

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) better idea
Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:23:48 -0400


> > > It's beginning to sound as if there might be enough new stuff of
> > > Ivan on TV these days that, combining it with the Montreal video
> > > from last July, a new video compilation may be in order.  Ya think?
> > > How 'bout it Tom?  You did a superb job on the first one.  Making
> > > 50 compilation masters has surely produced the desired results for
> > > many newer members of the list.  And I'm starting to want to see
> > > some of these appearances I've been reading about for about the past
> > > year.
> > >
> > > Myke
> >
> > I am already planning to do this for everyone don't worry.   I've
already
> > got the original IVan Montreal tape, plus Claude's Musique Plus
> > performance.
> >       Basically, This is what I propose and is also how the last video
> was
> > done:
> >
> > 1. Everyone send me their original master videotapes
> >
> > 2. I will use all the master tapes and make a S-VHS copy.
> >
> > 3.  I will then send back all the masters + a copy of the new Ivan 2

> > hr. video
> >
> > I need some people to post to the list that I can be trusted,
preferably
> > people who participated last time.
> >
> > The contributers get a free video of course.
> >
> > I was holding out for the 1972 video.  What do you all think?

Myke,
Everyone will want a video so I can sure use your help once again.
:-)

I can make me an S-VHS master AND
you a VHS (high quality tape) master
Then you can make copies as good as I (and HELP).

then I will send the masters back.

What do you think, Myke?

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Ivan Collection
Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:35:55 -0600




Tom Norman wrote:

> > 1. Everyone send me their original master videotapes
> >
> > 2. I will use all the master tapes and make a S-VHS copy.
> >
> > 3.  I will then send back all the masters + a copy of the new Ivan 2
> > hr. video
> >
> > I need some people to post to the list that I can be trusted, preferably
> > people who participated last time.

Well, as a major contributor of the last one, you can count on my material.
I'll send everything I have.  If we send all our material to you, you can
decide which is best to use. That way we get the highest quality available.

> > I was holding out for the 1972 video.  What do you all think?

How about we wait a couple weeks to see what happens as a result of his new
promo efforts.  Everybody keep an eye on muchmusic, as painful as that can be
these days!
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Davies)
Subject: (hats) Freeways
Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:39:55 -0400


Last time I was on the list there was discussion about there possibly
being a video for Freeways. Was there any confirmation or denial of
this?

Scott


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) better idea
Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:40:21 -0400 (EDT)


Tom,

I like your idea very much!  Let's do it that way.  I can no longer
count how many times I've copied my MWH video collection for people
on this list.

Also, I intend to soon be in the market to buy an S-VHS VCR.
It has chroma/luma video inputs that will work beautifully with
my Commodore 128 which has chroma/luma video outputs.  I want to
write programs that draw random, coloured graphic patterns and use
them as video source material for when the time comes that I can release
my entire life's collection of sound art and music on a video format.
It's kinda boring listening to a VHS tape with no picture.  Since the
format supports video information as well as superb-sounding audio, I
see no sense in not creating something visual to accompany the aural.

So, with that in mind, why not make two S-VHS masters and one VHS master
so that when the time comes that I can use the better of the two, it'll
be there waiting for me?

How much do S-VHS VCRs cost these days?

Myke


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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I NEED
Date: 07 Apr 1998 17:16:51 -0700


OH ...
I cant seem to catch anything on t.v anymore
=*(
can anyone help me?
I am looking for a possible VHS copy of Ivan on TSN and on Real life
I also wouldnt mind seeing the video Open your eyes and SBG

PLEASE HELP

thanx
Michelle



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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) better idea
Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:08:55 -0400 (EDT)


> You are basically a BIG contributer anyway.

A BIG-mouthed, proud, flag-waving, American contributor, you mean!  ;-)

Of course, I jest.

Thanks!

Myke

P.S. How much do S-VHS VCRs normally cost these days?
     I'm about to receive an offer for a job in the next month
     that will increase my annual income by leaps and bounds.
     The S-VHS VCR and the PeeCees, Macs, and Amigas (all to run
     Unix, btw! :-) ) will soon follow.  Then I'll really be
     able to do neat and nifty things for the fine folks on
     this list.  Hey Claude!  I've got tapes of the two KISS
     concerts I and my wife attended in 1996.  Want copies on CD-R?

     Of course, I jest again.  :-)


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) HAts Music
Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:43:39 -0700


Hatters-
I just went to Music Boulevard, and they have lots of Hats stuff.  2
versions of Greatest Hats, Collection, PGTW, Sideways, 21st cent., Safety
Dance remix.  As well as ROY on tape.

Eric Soderblom
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From: "Colin McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Real Life with Erica Ehm and more....
Date: 08 Apr 1998 13:27:36 PDT


>> I was holding out for the 1972 video.  What do you all think?
>
>How about we wait a couple weeks to see what happens as a result of
>his new promo efforts.  Everybody keep an eye on muchmusic, as
>painful as that can be these days!
>Senz


I have a few things to mention.  First, yesterday's "Real Life"
appearance was great.  With commercials edited out, he had about 15
minutes of air time total.  I think he should have performed
"superbadgirls" first because, at least in the city I live in, it is
being played a LOT on the radio and people would have been able to put a
face to the song, and known what album to find it on.  As mentioned, he
DID perform "superbadgirls", but only about 45 seconds or 1 minute of it
was on the air...it was cut off in the middle of the first chorus.
Also a great interview...I have always loved Erica Ehm.  In my opinion,
the "Open Your Eyes" performance was weak, another reason I wish "sbg"
was performed first, although I like OYE better...  hmm...

In reference to the section I quoted above, I have just put together a
little "request website" for Muchmusic and mailed them the URL.  They
have a daily all-request show (just recently re-named "MUCH ON DEMAND")
and they play viewers requests by snail mail, email, fax, phone, etc....
They play website requests from time to time, so I thought it wouldn't
hurt to do this.  I asked for superbadgirls or 1972 (since I already
have Open your Eyes on tape). So anybody who gets Muchmusic, watch for
this!

Also, is it just me or at the beginning of Monday's "Off the Record"
show, did the host say Ivan would be performing "later on in the show"?
I could swear I heard him say that, but there was no performance...  I
will have to watch the tape again to see if I was just hearing things...
;)

And one last thing.... last night  right before "pop up video" started
on Muchmusic, there was a 30 second commercial for THE SPELL album!  Too
cool!!  They showed clips from the OPE and SBG videos, and you hear part
of 1972.   I must try to get this on tape!   He's really doing a lot of
promotion lately!

That's all for today!

Colin

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From: MAGENTA <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: long promised info; lip service ;D
Date: 08 Apr 1998 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT)


howdy hatters!

welp, as i promised Myke and some others a time ago, i have finally garnered
info on the elusive PGTW commercial Video release (courtesy of Virgin
Megastore computer)....


Men Without Hats
Pop goes the World (Video)
POP/ROCK Dept.
*No Longer Made*
Record Shack
870 718

TRACKS:  Pop Goes The World
         End Of The World
         Lose My Way
         Jenny Wore Black/White


now, if i can only FIND a COPY of this...my life will be more complete:D

re: Tom's request for recommendations re: his reliability for videos n'
such...i would consider him EXTREMELY reliable...he even took tme out of his
extrremely busy schedule to accomodate a rush order for me, and i would not
have any problems with forwarding tapes to him for upgrades

jumping back to the PGTW monkey business....there has GOT to be somebody
that has a copy of this somewhere on this gawd's green earth...i will keep
my eyes peeled, and if i ever do find this elusive l'il debbil, i will
forward it to Tom ASAP for dupes to be made for all:) unless someone beeat
me to the punch, eh?  this shall be my next mission! *ARGH!*

ttyl,
-C-



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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ROY on CD
Date: 08 Apr 1998 19:14:14 -0400


Hello all.

Just a couple of quick questions:

1. Was ROY ever available on CD prior to the "2-fer" I've heard so much
about?

2. Anybody out there looking to part with their "2-fer"?

ROY has so many great tracks that it seems a shame there was never a CD
version made available in the U.S.  Luckily, the several MWH
"collection" CDs out there have a few of the nice tracks from ROY.  Just
wish sometimes I could listen to The Great Ones Remember and Things in
My Life without the tape hiss.  Unfortunately I learned about Oglio only
after they removed the 2-fer from their catalog.

Best wishes!


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) W.O.W.!
Date: 08 Apr 1998 19:10:49 -0400 (EDT)


Just heard on the CNN radio news that Wendy O Williams
was found dead from a drug induced suicide today. No details
yet other than the report.


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ROY on CD
Date: 08 Apr 1998 19:15:29 -0400 (EDT)


When did Oglio delete the 2-fer from their catalog?

Myke


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Life Network & Tom is OK :)
Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:03:12 -0400



>I goes to show you that Ivan is easier to hear in a one on one interview
than in
>the format of yesterdays show which is similar to "Politically Incorrect" (for
>our american listees) Still, Ivan came across as a quiet person. But that
is one
>of the reasons why I admire him!

Yeah another reason why I like him and MWH is they aren't phonies who show
off their steroid-fed bodies with skimpy women dancing around in their
videos pretending to be their lovers.


>I liked the fact that even with the vocal mix way out of wack his voice was
>still nice to listen to.  The dancers in spandix were also way out of wack but
>perhaps on purpose?

I always wondered about that.  They are always majorly uncoordinated.  I
thouhgt it was odd.  I think you have a point there.



>What he really said was that back in 1990 making electronic music was tedious
>and he was tired of rebooting computers to make music. These days it's easier
I liked how he compared synths from the 80s to the Internet today.


>he's back to electronic music. One point he made was that the variety of sounds
>available in the newest technology and the ease with which it is used allows
But why is he using his old MWH sunth :)


>> 5. IVAN SHOPS AT K-MART WITH HIS HAIR IN A BUN!
>
>And people recognized him too!!!!

I think that was probably a figure of speech but then again, someone said he
eats brown rice for breakfast.



>> I need some people to post to the list that I can be trusted, preferably
>> people who participated last time.
>>
>> The contributers get a free video of course.
>>
>> I was holding out for the 1972 video.  What do you all think?


I just saw this now so I will say that yup, Tom can certainly be trusted.
I'm sending him my tape next week.

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From: Jon Masciana <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ROY on CD
Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:29:16 -0700



I thought someone would have responded to this already...=o)

>1. Was ROY ever available on CD prior to the "2-fer" I've heard so much
>about?

Yes, it was issued in Canada in 1983, it actually came with several bonus
tracks: Safety Dance Club mix, and the entire Folk of the 80s ep, but the
7" version of Antarctica was put on the cd. It's a nice cd (one of the
first), I don't know how many were pressed, but I found one for $50--I've
heard that this item can fetch pretty high prices. Does anyone know how
many were pressed?

>2. Anybody out there looking to part with their "2-fer"?

They might still have a few left...I'd check again.


Jon


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: long promised info; lip service ;D
Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:45:45 -0400


> welp, as i promised Myke and some others a time ago, i have finally
garnered
> info on the elusive PGTW commercial Video release (courtesy of Virgin
> Megastore computer)....
>
>
> Men Without Hats
> Pop goes the World (Video)
> POP/ROCK Dept.
> *No Longer Made*
> Record Shack
> 870 718
>
> TRACKS:  Pop Goes The World
>          End Of The World
>          Lose My Way
>          Jenny Wore Black/White
>
>
> now, if i can only FIND a COPY of this...my life will be more complete:D

Hey!  I put this on the Men Without Hats video #1.

Actually the only video on the CD is track 1 - Pop Goes the World.
The 3 other tracks are audio only.
My Pop Goes video on the videotape is from this laserdisc.

Tom
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Keep It Simple Stupid  ** NON-MWH **
Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:05:39 -0400 (EDT)


Dear Claude,

> Looking at your subject title I think you are just pulling my leg.

Actually I was just trying to see things from your perspective.  ;-)

> That is fanatism: buying records you hate and you don't listen to!

It's not fanatism - whatever that is.  I'm a music collector.  There's
a lot of stuff in my collection that I think completely sucks, but it's
there to make a certain collection I've started more complete.

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/faves.htm

Go there and click on the little 45rpm icon.  You'll see what I mean.
There's no way I could like everything I own!

One thing I've always wanted was to have a collection of every
officially released KISS CD.  Besides, if I didn't own the CDs I don't
like along with the ones I do like, how could I ever demonstrate their
suckiness to people I meet in person who come to me for information
about KISS?

I too have a Men Without Hats CD collection.  I sometimes wish "In The
21st Century" had never been released.  When I look at my collection of
MWH CDs, that one disc stands out like a sore thumb (and we all know
what a sore thumb stands out like, don't we?).  I really dislike it -
yet that would never keep me from owning it.  Having the entire
collection of CDs of a band I love can be and often is more important to
me than only owning CDs I like.

Geez.  For one so caring and compassionate, you sure can pass some harsh
judgement!

>> How dare you form such concrete opinions!

> Easy, I have a brain.

Elitism!  You're an elitist, I tell you!

>> You are just another one of those who are simply unable to see
>> *through* the makeup and costumes to find out and understand what it
>> is that's just so magic about them.  I've met many people like you in
>> my day.  There's no way I can change your mind about them so I won't
>> even try.

> How handy, so you won't have to come face to face with the dreadful
> fact that there is no magic there. Only 4 men in there forties taking
> advantage of easy to impress kids (and adults suffering of Peter Pan
> syndrome) by dressing as wierdos, spitting blood & fire and strutting
> their macho stuff around.  The world wrestling federation is playing
> the exact same tune!  The sad thing is some people don't see it is
> just a circus act...

You are just another one of those who are simply unable to see
*through* the makeup and costumes to find out and understand what it is
that's just so magic about them.  I've met many people like you in my
day.  There's no way I can change your mind about them so I won't even
try.

> Just tell me ONE think that is "incredible" about them. Good luck ;o)

Ace Frehley!  Duh.

This is most likely why you don't understand what I'm talking about.
I saw the original band in concert in 1979 and the original band
reunited 2x in 1996.  I never cared to see the band performing live if
Ace and Peter weren't with them - possibly with the exception of the
"Revenge/Alive III" tour.

> What is this crap about finding a new personal identity????

Gene's "demon" persona is very much an extension of who he is in real
life.  All of the original members based their stage identities around
their own personal fantasies and values.  It's not a front.  It goes
deeper than that.  Gene had never been "just another rock-n-roll bass
player" onstage  before, and to become that left him feeling a bit
"diminished".  To fill the void, he began seeking fulfillment in areas
other than music and KISS suffered.  This is straight out of KISSTORY,
dude.  Shall I go get the book and quote from it for you?

> [Gene's costume] is all metal (no styrofoam).

His boots are very heavy.

> And now what about Hitler?  After half a century (that is twice than
> Kiss) he's still got a beyondo extremo fanbase that just won't quit
> supporting him.  Does that prove something?  Please don't tell me
> you're also a nazy...

Ha ha ha. :-)  (Don't to shift the focus of our conversation.)

(If I ever meet you in person, I will want to *hear* you say "beyondo
extremo"!  :-)  I think it would sound very kewl if spoken by you.  And,
of course, I'll say it in true Okie style (even though I'm not one)
since you're always so hung up on people being fair to one another.)

> I know Gene had a lot of problems gathering artists to participate in
> the Kiss My Ass compilation.

You obviously haven't seen the list of artists from which they had to
choose!  A lot of the bands couldn't do it for legal reasons.  The Stone
Temple Pilots for example wanted to be on it and their label wouldn't
let them.  So they went onstage one night wearing KISS makeup as a
statement of protest!  :-)

> HE HAD TO ASK THEM! I think Kiss is the only band who had to produce
> its own tribute album!!!!!

I would be honoured if they asked me to appear on such a record.

>> There is a difference between being influenced by something and being
>> a carbon-copy of it.

> Hum... I'm not sure I get your point here. Are you implying the songs
> in The Spell are carbon copies of disco and/or rap songs?!?

"1972" is deliberately done in a 70s disco style.  Even somebody on this
list commented early on that it sounded just like the Village People to
them the first time they heard it.  That in itself is a scary enough
comment to read!  I mean, I still have the "Y.M.C.A." 45 I bought when I
was 12.  And I still have the "In The Navy" 45 I bought when I was 13.
And I still have the rare "In The Navy" 12" remix that I bought for 33
cents at a pawn shop when I was 18.  But I never thought that they were
a great group and hearing Ivan sound like them pretty much makes me want
to cringe.  And like, WWW is rap.  Granted, it cracks me up when I hear
it because it's so out of character for Ivan, but  that doesn't make it
a great track in my opinion.  It's like The Rolling Stones' "Far Away
Eyes".  It's a joke!

Re: Vivaldi

> Not bad (the Hendrix of violin).

That's an interesting take.  I'll keep that in mind the next time I play
it.

> Have you heard The Four Seasons performed by the Europa Galante
> Ensemble?  It is the very best. Concerto no. 3 (Autumn) is almost
> heavy metal. Run for it!

I'll look into it!

> Schoenberg and Webern I know, Berg not.

These three are like a trio all to themselves in the world of 20th
Century music.

> This stuff is more demanding.

Yes.  It is.  I can remember the first time I brought home a Schoenberg
CD and played it for my unwitting wife.  (The poor girl!)  She said,
innocently enough, "That sounds like it's out of key."  :-)

Re: Syd Barrett

> You talking about the stuff he did solo or is passage in Pink Floyd?

All of that.  I have the "Crazy Diamond" CD box set (which is now out of
print) and "The Peel Sessions" EP.  He's a loon for sure, but that's
what makes him so interesting.

> Although I have all the Pink Floyd records

You too?  Kewl.

> (except Pulse)

I have "Pulse" with the little blinking light.  After three years it
still blinks!  That was a cheesy marketing gimmick, y'know?  ;)  Trying
to sucker people into buying their music with blinking LEDs!  Like that
has anything to do with their music.  But as long as it entertains the
kiddies I guess it's OK.

> I never really got hooked by early Floyd stuff (apart from Astronomy
> Domine

You mean you own CDs you don't really like?  That's odd.

> Syd is playing on the studio version of that one right?).

Yes, and now a 20+ minute film has been released on video with Pink
Floyd performing an early version of that song (and one other) in
January 1967.  It's a professionally made film of the band in a small
studio 2-3 weeks before EMI signed them to a record deal - and Syd
Barrett is in it playing lead guitar.  There is also a companion CD.
I have both.

Have you ever heard Voivod's version of "Astronomy Domine"?  It's very
good, I think.

I always liked "Atom Heart Mother" and "Meddle".  They seem to be a pair
- each having a full-side-length piece and all.  I've got a tape of
their 1971 live performance on the BBC.  It was the first time they'd
ever played "Echoes" onstage before an audience.

> Kiss, although I have all their records (well, almost) I defenitely
> prefer what they did with Eric Carr.

Pyook!  I like all the stuff up to "Creatures Of The Night" inclusive.
From "Lick It Up" to "Hot In The Shade", I can't say I like much that
they did at all.  Then as soon as  Eric was no longer in the band, and
Eric Singer took his place, suddenly they came back to life, in my
opinion.  I think "Alive III" is an incredible live album.  Just as good
as "Alive!".  I never cared much for "Alive II" though.  It's
performance is too predictable.

> Heaven's On Fire, Tears Are Falling, Unholy and Domino comes to mind

The first two are about the best they did with Eric Carr.  The last two
are fantastic and are the best they ever did without Ace and Peter.

> I still have is "The Touring Principle '79" video.

Will you sell it or make for me a copy?  Trena made for me a copy of
hers and there's a funky tracking error line running through the middle
of the screen on my copy that's not on her original.  I have a bad copy
that I made from a Beta original back in '88 and I've been looking for a
good replacement.

> Have you heard his latest effort?

No.  I haven't heard much from Gary that I cared to hear since about the
time his albums stopped being made domestically in the U.S.  I really,
really, really love "Replicas", "Telekon", and "Slowcar To China" and
"Cry, The Clock Said" from the "Dance" album.

> Now, that alone qualifies you as an open-minded person!

I prefer the term "active-minded" actually.
It's something I picked up from reading Ayn Rand.

> Although I'm not familiar with her work, I have seen enough to believe
> there must be something interesting there.

Be very careful how you go about discovering her music.  She has very
distinct musical periods in her career.  You cannot hear something from
one period and curse or praise the rest based upon that.  All of her
albums were finally released by Ryko last yearon CD in wonderfully
remastered form.  I suggest you find a copy of her 1996 release,
"Rising", her "Walking On Thin Ice" compilation, and her first album
with John in '68, "Unfinished Music, No. 1: Two Virgins".  If you like
you can also try out their "Wedding Album" on CD.  And if you're feeling
really brave, get "Unfinished Music, No. 2: Life With The Lions", "Yoko
Ono / Plastic Ono Band", and "Fly".  I really love that early, noisy
stuff where she screeches like a cat in pain or heat or whatever,
but most people cannot stand it.  Unfortunately, all too often, people
who've heard that end up dismissing everything she's ever done since.
In all honesty, everything she's done from 1972 until today has been
very musical in nature and not noisy at all.  Check out "Death Of
Samantha" from the compilation CD and/or 1972's "Approximately
Infinite Universe".

A lot of people can't handle hearing her sing with her Japanese voice.
When the Beatles spoke, it was obvious they were from England, however
when they sang nobody could tell.  Yoko, somehow, speaks and sings in
English with a full-blown and very obvious "Japanese accent".

>> Debbie Gibson

> ...

Ah, now who's not being open-minded here?  Eh?  C'mon now!
Deb is the original good-time girl!

>> Nine Inch Nails

> Interesting music. Very sick videos!

Just don't watch 'em then!  Actually, the only NIN video I've ever seen
is "Down In It".  I have it on a tape of MTV's "120 Minutes" from about
8 or 9 years ago.  I am more of a fan of the way Trent Reznor creates
his music rather than of the music itself.  (Kinda like Shoenberg.)
Although, I love "Pretty Hate Machine" from start to finish and always
have.  He's not topped that one since.

"Pretty Hate Machine" is Trent Reznor's "Pop Goes The World"!  :-)

>> and Hanson

> What about the Spice Girls?

What about 'em?  Hanson actually has talent.  And they're from my home
town! :)

>> I don't think I need to be more open minded.

> Yeah, maybe you are too open minded (well, Frank Zappa is missing from
> your list).

OOPS!  I forgot him in the rush to come up with all the others!
"Joe's Garage" is "incredible"!  :)

> If you really enjoy all those you have mentioned here,

I do.  And that's not all!

> That is strange. Why would you get in trouble for admiting you like a
> certain kind of music? Maybe you hang out with the wrong peoples.

Yeah, I guess so.  I got in trouble once on the MWH mailing list for
admitting that I liked an incredible band called KISS.  Can you believe
that?  The nerve of some of those people!

>> And a lot of people still haven't heard the music and sounds that I
>> personally like to create!

> And what about those who heard it?  Did they enjoy it?

Well, it all depends on who heard it and what they heard.  If you're
asking whether Eric and Russ liked Ymphony!s Nos. 1-6 and 7, I'd have to
say "No."  But if you're asking whether or not Joel liked my really
musical compositions (i.e. "Projectile Knowledge", "Snakebox",
"Resurgence (A Night On The Rocks)", "March Of The Windies", and
"The Sailing Angel"), I'd have to say "Definitely!"

> Okay, that's it for now, take care

Whew!  Let's get back to the Hats!

> Claude

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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Skin
Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:51:11 -0700


For anyone who has Winamp 1.81+ - I am starting work on a MWH skin.  Let me
know if you have any suggestions on a look.  Cacth ya latez!


Aaron Gitlin
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From: Berthiaume & Fils <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH "partitions"
Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:11:21 -0400


Hi, I haven't posted anything for a long time, but I wanted to know if =
anybody had partitions( the music sheet or whatever is the name in =
english!!!) of some MWH songs, cause I'd like to start learning music =
and I'd like to have stuff I like to motivate me?


Simon Berthiaume <[e-mail]>



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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Keep It Hats Stupid  ** NON-MWH **
Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:03:56 -0600




LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:

(a whole crock load of stuff that was intended to be a private discussion)

Hey Myke, it seems that some people are trying to discuss some fairly non-hats
related material with you privately but you end up quoting what they say and
posting it publicly. I assume you have a good grasp of where your e-mail goes,
so what gives?

(Seriously, I would have taken this up with you privately but I'm sure it
would end up on this list anyway!)

Senz




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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) In The 21st Century
Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:29:05 -0400 (EDT)


Hey  Cameron!

I'm glad you asked me why I don't like "In The 21st Century".
It's a question I've asked myself ever since I bought it.
It's also a question I've never really answered.
But having been asked publicly, I guess now is the time I should try.
Keep in mind that I'm typing this in nearly a stream-of-consciousness
manner.

I really think I was predisposed to not liking that particular CD
in large part because of how it came to be in my possession.  In 1991,
I and my girlfriend (who is now my wife) were visiting a friend I knew
from where I was working at the time.  This guy was like me in a lot
of ways - i.e. he understood that there had been a thing called
"New Romance" in the early 80s and he also owned a lot of CDs.
There's more to it than that but those are the first things which
come to mind as I type.  While browsing through his CDs, I was
startled to see a Men Without Hats CD of which I'd not previously
heard.  I immediately removed it from his shelf and examined it.
I asked him about it and the first thing out of his mouth was that
he'd bought it on name recognition alone when he'd seen it for sale
in a store but it had disappointed him becasuse it wasn't as good
as the earlier Men Without Hats albums that he'd heard and liked before.
He was so disappointed by it that he saw my enthusiasm about it as
a sure sign that he could make a few bucks by selling it instead of
being faced with the having to keep it around for awhile longer.
He said I could have it for $5.00.  I couldn't refuse that and
bought it on the spot - knowing in advance not to expect it to be
a very good CD, based upon his opinion which I didn't entirely dismiss
in most cases.  I took it home and listened to it and, quite honestly,
couldn't hear anything in it that was interesting to me either.
I was most displeased by the lack of even a remote similarity to
the original Safety Dance by the track titled "Safety Dance 1990"
or whatever it's called.  That was another mark against it which
I've never gotten over.  More than anything else, when I think of
that album, I immediately think of it as "that album with the bad
version of 'Safety Dance' tacked onto the end of it".  I also
don't particularly like the artwork on the cover from the style
on down to the dismal, dull pastel colours.  It's just a very
unattractive looking CD to me.  Overall the album to me is just
one big bore.  I do happen to like "Hey Men", "S.O.S." and the
title track quite a bit but other than that there's not a lot
of really great music on it, IMHO.  The guy who had it before me
didn't like and was willing to sell it to me for a measly 5 bucks
as soon as I'd seen it for the first time.  I dunno.  It just
got off with a really bad start as far as I'm concerned and
there's nothing about it that has ever convinced me to think
more highly of it than I did the first time I played it.

Now, about "Sideways"...  I just knew somebody was going to
comment about that album in the same way I commented about
the one aforementioned.  I would almost be willing to go along
with you about "Sideways" if it weren't for the fact that
it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that synthpop bands can
do serious, loud rock-n-roll if they want to.  It is too
often a common misconception for people who don't like synth
pop to curse it as being gutless, hopeless and lame.
But when a synthpop band turns around and records a heavy
rock album - and especially one as good as "Sideways" - it
gives me all the proof I ever need should I ever get into
one of those stupid synth-vs.-guitar arguments with people
that bands like Men Without Hats aren't gutless!  If anything,
it shows just how truly limited is the scope of most any heavy
metal band that ever existed.  While Men Without Hats can
change course and do a heavy rock album, I guarantee you that
bands like Motley Crue, Metallica, AC/DC, ad nauseum could never
turn around and do a synthpop album - so who's the more versatile?
Who's the more capable?  Who's the more musically accomplished?
It's a lot like Ministry.  They started out as a type of Curish
light synthpop group with happy melodies - although pitifully
morbid lyrics, if I recall correctly - but within 5 years time
converted into this hideous thing that could churn out songs
like "Stigmata".  I think Ministry took it a bit too far for
a bit too long, but at least Men Without Hats were able to do
it very well just one time to prove that they really could do it
when nobody before thought that they could.  Plus, I consider
"Sideways" to be more of a Stefan album than an Ivan album.
That gives it a completely fresh, new spirit and personality
which "In The 21st Century" does not have.  Int21C bores me.
And that's one thing I doubt anyone with ears to hear can say
about "Sideways".  It might turn some or a lot of people off,
but I really doubt they find it to be a boring album.

Long live "Life After Diamond Head"!  :-)

Myke

P.S. Thanks for asking.  Even if I rambled and didn't use
     good sentence structures, I think I have exercised my
     demon about this a little better than I ever have before.
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Pop Goes the World
Date: 08 Apr 1998 23:54:09 -0700


Well,
I guess that I know your feelings now!
-Eric

>You are a stupid idiot!
>PGTW is a TERRIBLE album.  the music is average at best and the mixing is
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From: MAGENTA <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: PGTW video/cd-v, et al...yadda, yadda...
Date: 09 Apr 1998 00:12:04 -0700 (PDT)


hi again!

to daz: no, this is something entirely seperate from the CD-V...this is an
actual VHS-format tape (at least that is what the computer has led me to
believe)

hopefully, this will clear up any further confusion...let the hunt begin!

*setting loose hounds*

ttyl,
Charlotte



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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) In The 21st Century
Date: 09 Apr 1998 08:52:02 -0400 (EDT)


Hey Aaron!

I appreciate your appreciation for my commentary.

And I'll be taking "In The 21st Century" with me to work today just
to give it *one more chance*.  In the past, I have always thought it
was a halfway decent album up to some point in the middle.  Then, for
me, it just falls apart and becomes very boring.

I've played it already this morning while getting ready for work
and I have to admit, "You and Me" is very good.  I think the melody
Ivan sings when he gets to "And we were meant to meet each other in
the middle of a mystery..." is very beautiful and effective.

I was not able to stay focused on it though as I went into the kitchen
to cook breakfast for my wife and myself.  Eggs, bacon and Italian
suasage have this unique way of creating their own kind of music!  :)

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Subject: Re: (hats) Keep It Hats Stupid  ** NON-MWH **
Date: 09 Apr 1998 04:29:39 -0400 (EDT)



Senz said:

>(Seriously, I would have taken this up with you privately but I'm sure it
>would end up on this list anyway!)
>
>Senz


I love it!!! This is the funniest thing I've seen written on the list in
my whole time on it.

Seriously, Myke, you were typing a novel in your e-mails

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Subject: Re: (hats) RE: Pop Goes the World
Date: 09 Apr 1998 04:31:32 -0400 (EDT)



Eric said:

>>Well,
>>I guess that I know your feelings now!
>>-Eric


When did people on this list get a sense of humor. Eric, well put. I don't
know what was up with the dude ripping you...but you and Senz threw out
some funny comebacks to your attackers.

Well done.

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivans familly
Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:52:57 -0700


I need some help here...
does Ivan have a cousin named Peter Doroschuk and another named Eugene
Doroschuk?
pete and eugene are supposable brothers..
just want to know

write back right away

Michelle



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) In The 21st Century
Date: 09 Apr 1998 12:40:43 -0400



>unattractive looking CD to me.  Overall the album to me is just
>one big bore.  I do happen to like "Hey Men", "S.O.S." and the
>title track quite a bit but other than that there's not a lot

For me, I don't really like this album because, it might sound strange, I
did not get to listen to it at the time of release.  I bought it at a used
CD store last summer.  Listening to it today, aside from "SOS" and "In The
21st Century" and  the "new" Safety Dance, it sounds like whiny protest
music from the 60s.  Some of the other tracks are good (I forget the name
but it's the one where he mentions his babysitter and four lads from
Liverpool) and "Eloise & I" (the fast one).  Since then I only lsitneed to
it about three or four times only because I am more interested in electronic
music.  When "Hey Men" came out I did not like it but everyone else (who
wasn't a fan) did!  :D  I heard that Safety Dance was nothing like the
original so I was ready for that and I like it in a non-safety dance sort of
way (I love the original).  This applies to "Folk of the 80s Part 3".  When
I bouight it, it was when the "Freeways" EP got old. I found the two in a
bargin bin and bought them jsut so I could have all of Men Without Hats'
albums (I was probalby 10 or 12 years old).  So I quickly listneed tot he
tracks and found it was not like RoY so it was never played again until i
subscribed to this list!  "freeways" sounded too early 80s for me and I only
liked "Modern(e) Dancing" and "Freeways" until this list...I gave them a
chance and now I like them.

"Pop Goes The World" was a similar experience except I like that album a lot
more.  I taped it from a tape I borrowed from the library (I'll buy the CD
soon, don't worry).  "Walk On Water" was played on CFNY a few times and "O
Sole Mio" was played on the radio frequently.  I am wondering why it is only
"Safety Dance" and "Pop goes The World" that gets recognized.  I still like
"O Sole Mio" for Ivan's commanding sounding voice.  Does anyone know what
the lyrics to the Intro to "Walk On water" mean?


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hey Men!
Date: 09 Apr 1998 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT)


To those who are irritated or were inconvenienced by my rather
large message to Claude last night, I apologize.

To those who took the time to read it and found words within
it worthy of your time and thoughts, I thank you.

To those who've neither complained nor commented one way or the
other about it, I.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Myke

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From: "Rush" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) W.O.W.!
Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:50:03 -0500


No, she put a handgun into her mouth.  May have been drug induced, but she
used a gun.

Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug."  --Ayn Rand

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>Just heard on the CNN radio news that Wendy O Williams
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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:54:57 -0600


This is just a question I've been thinking about awhile and wondered if
someone has some kind of answer.  "EP" stands for Extended Play, so what
is it in FOTE that has been extended exactly?  A case might be made for
Freeways and it's extended version of the title track, but there are 4
tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on the other
(I've seen LP's like that too, consider many classical recordings).  The
letters "EP" appear nowhere on either record.  Yet other true EP's I
have clearly state this on the front cover.  (eg. Dire Straits'
"Twisin' By The Pool").   Aren't the 12" singles like The Safety Dance
(Extended Club Mix) the true EP's??

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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 16:15:20 -0500 (CDT)


(Re: Senz's questions about "EP's":)

I am no expert about this whatsoever, but my intuition has always told me
that the term "EP" refers to a collection of songs that number too many to
be a single or "maxi-single" but too few to be an album ("LP").  Again,
these are not at all "official" by any means, but I would be tempted to
associate the following words with the following definitions:

(The distinction between songs and tracks is to allow for multiple
versions or remixes of one song - those would be multiple tracks.)

single - collection of one or two (maybe occasionally three) songs,
totalling no more than 3 or 4 tracks.

maxi-single - collection of one to three (maybe occasionally four) songs,
totalling more like 5-9 tracks.

EP - collection of 4-6 different songs, totalling about the same number of
tracks.

album - collection of .. well, I should put 7 here to cover all cases, but
I'd like to start it at more like 8 or 9.  But you get the idea.  That
many or more songs, and about the same number of tracks.

I'd like to hypothesize that single, EP, and LP come from the era of
vinyl.. where a single would typically be pressed on a 7" disc.  Then, for
a longer playing time, one could press a 10" disc, which was "extended
play" (from the amount of time on a single).  And of course LP for 12"
discs with even more space on them.  I further hypothesize that short
singles and mixes fit on 7" discs, while longer remixes and such required
a full 12" disc - thus the related terms for various versions of songs.
Now, those terms may refer more to the 'style' of a mix than its length,
but I'd argue that originally those styles developed because of the space
limitations of each format.

I'd certainly be interested to hear any comments about these ideas, since
I've never heard from anyone who "knows"...

Thanks,
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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:24:46 -0700


Senz says...
<but there are 4 tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on
the other>

Huh? My FOTE EP has 2 on each side...Side 1 - Modern(e) Dancing & Utter
Space. Side 2 - Antarctica & Security.

As far as calling at EP, all I know is that's what Ivan calls it on the Live
ROY "fan" CD.





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Subject: (hats) Question
Date: 09 Apr 1998 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT)



1) What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?
    Is it about people who "talk real loud, try to tell you what they
know" but just end up walking you "around in circles?"



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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question
Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:35:57 -0700


Collin asks:
>What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?

As I see it, he feels that he's a folk singer taking over the folk music
of the '60s (I sing last), but instead of whining about the way things
are, he suggests we should change them (use the water to wash up, not
for tears). He agrees that they had good intentions, but the result
seemed that their idealism turned to cynicism, so let's try it from the
top.

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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re : (hats) Question
Date: 09 Apr 1998 17:51:23 -0400


To complete Dave's message, let me share with you the feelings I had -and
still have- at that moment. I must say that I did not understand -until now-
the musical history part of it, wich is, Dave, a very interesting part.

I recall this little part, that impressed me a lot back then:

"The party is over. It has been for years.
Let's use the water to wash up, not for tears..."

Today, I still find it very inspiring, indeed...

It is a more "deep" song, with a lot of painful memories and desillusions,
specially about the music  and, of course, it could be understand as a point
of view on ...life.

"We've been told lies, we've been "hearded" around (or something like that:
what does that mean??? My english is weak on that)
(...)
We've been told that this is the one...
(...)
(...)
(...)
Time has come for each of us to decide...
To follow blindly or to step out of line!
And wherever it leads us is wherever we'll go.
I'll dance forever if they'd let me, you know!

 --Not necessarily in that order, though--

 A very very good one. The more I think about it, the more I miss it! It was
a buildup on the same few -brilliants- notes, with Stephan's guitar getting
louder and louder, a very deep and strong sound... Ivan's voice was
absolutely perfect for that song: dark, loud, with a lot of anger emotion
and a little bit of mistery. As the mas was/is, I guess, at least when he
wrote that masterpiece.

"Talking of things passed, you sang first, I sing last... You sang first, I
sing last..."

Ho boy... The melody is on my mind now... Nostalgia!!! Sorry for that... ;-)

And sorry if I made some mistakes... I don't want to scrap this song!!! Does
anyone have the lyrics? I'd like soooo much to read them!

Alain.


>1) What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?
> Is it about people who "talk real loud, try to tell you what they
>know" but just end up walking you "around in circles?"





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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What's an EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 18:00:44 -0400 (EDT)


THe first time I encountered the term "EP" it was in reference
to Beatles records.  It was a common practice, moreso in the UK
than in the US, in the 1960s to release not just albums and singles
but also "extended play" singles which featured two songs per side
instead of just one.  Since Fot80s featured only 4 songs, it is an EP.
The 1980s saw the emergence of the "mini-LP" as well which typically
featured four songs per side.  U2's "Under A Blood Red Sky" is a
mini-album featuring 8 live tracks, however, their US release "Wide
Awake In America" featuring 2 live tracks on side one and 2 studio
outtakes on side two is only an EP.

An oddity in all of this is the case of The Beatles' "Magical Mystery
Tour" soundtrack which was issued as an album in the US in November
1967 but as a double-EP set in the UK.  The US album featured the
six songs from the soundtrack on side A and 5 songs culled from
various current singles' A-sides and B-sides which had nothing at
all to do with the film by the same name.  The UK 2EP set spread
the 6 songs from the film over four disc sides, two songs on one
side of each disc and one on each of the other sides.  The songs on
the B-side of the US album remained only available as singles in
the UK until 1976 when the US album version was also released in
the UK to, I suppose, end a lot of frustration.

The emergence of the CD-single has really muddied the waters now
because all songs are on just one side and that side can contain
1,2,3,4,5,6,7, ad nauseum, remixes of the same song plus a couple
of extra bonus tracks and maybe an interview segment or whatever.
They're still CD-singles though unless labeled otherwise by the
marketer.

It's a mess.

Myke


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 16:57:01 -0600






> .... my intuition has always told me
> that the term "EP" refers to a collection of songs that number too many to
> be a single or "maxi-single" but too few to be an album ("LP").

Thanks Woody,Yes, I think most people would agree with that interpretation.
This makes sense, especially where songs are all four minutes long (e.g.. the
pop world). Perhaps not so much elsewhere where 1 song/track can be as long as
22 minutes! (And still be known as an LP).

The reason this was on my mind was that I'm trying to archive the cover art
for MWH and trying to show where the art appears.  I'm unsure whether to be
using 45/EP/LP or 7"/10"/12" or both in order to be as clear as possible.
Never mind the terms of CD/CD single/CD Extended Play (or whatever Moonbeam
is?)

I like Russ' comment though!  FOTE is an EP because that's what Ivan calls
it!  That kind of settles it, although, I've heard Ivan refer to Freeways as
an LP.  Go figure!

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hey!
Date: 09 Apr 1998 19:05:52 -0400 (EDT)


If you've been thinking I'm a jerk for my political views or something
like that lately, you'll just have to live with it.

However, if you've been bothered by messages I've been posting to
this list which should have been posted privately, email me.  I didn't
realize it was happening - except for the specific case with last
night's sorrowfully huge message to Claude.  I'm trying to determine
what it is that I'm doing incorrectly that is causing this to occur.

And I suppose I owe the list a great big apology for it now that
somebody on the list finally had the nerve to tell me so that I too
can be aware of what's been going on.

Sorry!

Myke


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From: KGB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 17:17:43 -0700


Single = a record having one short track on each side
Extended Play (EP) = a record with a playing time of 6-8 minutes (presumably per
side).

Since the EP was coined in the 50's it probably came about when Jazz singles could
no longer fit onto a single 7" side.  Technically speaking, FOTE would qualify as
an EP even though it's actually 2 songs per side making up the 8 minutes.

I think the key here is that the music contained on an ep is for all practical
purposes an original piece of work.  Where as a maxi-single would involve some
sort of alteration of the 2-track source (i.e. remix, extended mix, etc. -
including multiple versions).  Also keep in mind that it was very common for an LP
to run 25 minutes with 8-10 songs.  (side note:  In today's digital age I'm almost
offended when a CD-album runs less than 60 minutes, but 60 minutes on a single
vinyl record sounds like crap.)

A long-player is specifically a 331/3 RPM record.  It has nothing to do with the
amount of music contained, but obviously was invented to provide artists with a
medium that can virtually mimic continuity (i.e. a classical concert performance
doesn't sound all that great on 5 78's).  An "album" by the way is one or more
LP's stored in the same package.  So a 2-track 10-minute 331/3 RPM record
technically would be an LP, but obviously this was a device designed for radio
play when the 7" 45 was going away, and the album was commonly used to DJ - you
can just imagine how crazy it must have been when someone accidently... (insert
your own sarcastic musical reference here).

How would I apply these terms to the digital age?  Pretty much the same way,
except that an LP would be anything longer than an EP (and I might bump the EP
margin up a bit to around 30 minutes (since there aren't a whole lot of 3 minute
songs being written these days) total playing time assuming there weren't 6 or
more tracks involved) and there are no more sides (until DVD makes it's mark in
the music world).

A personal distinction I like to add when determining the difference between an EP
and a single, is was the context of the EP "intended" to be a stand-alone work or
was it intended a device to promote the sale of some other work.  In other words,
the Safety Dance was specifically sold with the intent of selling more copies of
ROY.  Of course this line gets blury all the time like "I Got The Message" which
features 2 non-album cuts on the B-side (probably intended with a dual purpose in
mind, the a-side for the new comers - a single, and the b-sides for the fans - an
ep).

Oh what will we call it when DVD takes over and can give us the entire Beatles
catalogue on a 2 disc set?  Like something like that would ever be marketed!

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From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question, sort of. related in any case.
Date: 09 Apr 1998 21:06:26 EDT


it has always been my understanding that..........
where do the boys go is about men and how they are in regards to women they
are romantically involved with.

things she does are blown way out of proportion is his mind, and he says
"'uh oh.'  something is wrong." and his brain begins spinning in circles about
it. trying to figure out what is going on. he will end up thinking there are
others motives to her actions or her words or something and that she does not
love him or is interested in some other guy or something. in circles. singing
"w' uh oh!"
the fact is is that is head is filled with things that do not even matter.
nothing is wrong in this situation except him. when he says something to her
he ends up finding that she was on a moonbeam of love the entire time. he was
in a cloud.  of fear. of course then she is upset that he doubted or
mistrusted her......who wouldn't be???

 tell me:  where do the boys go?

(moonbeam is the same story, really....)


                                                                            Ae
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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 17:36:11 -0700


I got that mwssage Myke wrote about Wendy O williams
who is she?

(I hope I am not embarassed by this question..)

Michelle



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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 23:24:25 -0500


Senz a =E9crit:
>=20
> This is just a question I've been thinking about awhile and wondered if
> someone has some kind of answer.  "EP" stands for Extended Play, so wha=
t
> is it in FOTE that has been extended exactly?  A case might be made for
> Freeways and it's extended version of the title track, but there are 4
> tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on the other
> (I've seen LP's like that too, consider many classical recordings).  Th=
e
> letters "EP" appear nowhere on either record.  Yet other true EP's I
> have clearly state this on the front cover.  (eg. Dire Straits'
> "Twisin' By The Pool").   Aren't the 12" singles like The Safety Dance
> (Extended Club Mix) the true EP's??

In the old days ;o) standard LP (33 rpm, 12") had around 20 minutes of mu=
sic
on each side. Then came 12" singles. EP (sometime called "mini album") ar=
e
extended play when compared to 12" singles. They usually have between 4 a=
nd 6
songs (FOTE was a 10" EP). Freeways is a kind of hybrid between face 1 si=
ngle
and face 2 EP. The name EP is quite freely used to designate anything on =
vynil
that is not a single and that is to short to be an LP.

Take care

Claude


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From: Ralph Deiterding <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 23:34:34 +0000


kathy beaupre wrote:
>
> I got that mwssage Myke wrote about Wendy O williams
> who is she?
>
> (I hope I am not embarassed by this question..)
>
> Michelle
>
Well, if you were listening to music (and watching videos) in the early
80's you couldn't really miss her, she was the lead singer of a punk
bank called the Plasmatics, their claim to fame was having a video where
Wendy was on a school bus that was driven through a wall of TV sets.
Anyone else remember that video?

Ralph


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?
Date: 09 Apr 1998 23:56:04 -0500


Ralph Deiterding a =E9crit:
>=20
> Well, if you were listening to music (and watching videos) in the early
> 80's you couldn't really miss her, she was the lead singer of a punk
> bank called the Plasmatics, their claim to fame was having a video wher=
e
> Wendy was on a school bus that was driven through a wall of TV sets.
> Anyone else remember that video?

That video was from Wendy solo carreer (produced by Gene Simmons, from th=
e
incredible KISS). The Plasmatic were famous for their outrageous stage ac=
t:
Rolls-Royce smashing, chainsaw meets electric guitar, pink mohawk and ass=
orted
tutu and Wendy singing topless with electric tape on the nipples. But it =
was
not just gimmicks, they had a very good song called... well... anyway, th=
ey
were incredible ;o))))))))

Take care

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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Wendy O Williams and SCTV
Date: 10 Apr 1998 1:00:27 -0400 (EDT)


Does anyone remember WOW and the Plasmatics when they were on SCTV's "The
Fishin' Musician" h hosted by Mayor Tommy Shanks (the late John Candy, RIP)???

Hee-larious.   They don't make comedy like that anymore.

Ok... this isn't Hats-related, but then both MWH and SCTV are Canadian.

Jeff




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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?
Date: 10 Apr 1998 00:33:11 -0600




KGB wrote:

> Single = a record having one short track on each side
> Extended Play (EP) = a record with a playing time of 6-8 minutes (presumably per
> side).
> ...an LP would be anything longer than an EP (and I might bump the EP
> margin up a bit to around 30 minutes

"Time" makes the most sense.  The terms themselves refer to amount of "play" whether
it be long or extended.
The # of tracks then becomes irrelevant.  I.e. a symphony containing 1 track on each
side of a record and totaling 45 minutes is still an LP.   The other extreme does
conflict with a time definition, since 12 tracks totaling 15 minutes would then be an
EP but I think this example is so rare that we probably don't need to consider it.
It would seem, in any case, that most people see FOTE and Freeways as EP's.

Senz



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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question
Date: 10 Apr 1998 05:10:28 -0700


>"We've been told lies, we've been "hearded" around (or something like
>that: what does that mean??? My english is weak on that)

We've been herded around.

Herded refers to a group of cattle or sheep, a herd. Herding is what
shepherds and cowboys do -- keep the dumb animals in their pens and
occasionally move them (herd them) from one location to another.

He means that we as a people have been directed as if we had no mind or
will of our own, and we've been gutless enough to go along with it, but
now Ivan has had enough and it's time to wake us all up from our waking
sleep.

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question, sort of. related in any case.
Date: 10 Apr 1998 05:22:15 -0700


>it has always been my understanding that..........
>where do the boys go is about men and how they are in regards to women
>they are romantically involved with.

I never caught this aspect of it. I always thought it was more general
about life. How we all seem to be without direction in our lives, just
meandering around in circles, not really getting anywhere or
accomplishing anything with the gifts we've been given. And it isn't
until something disastrous happens in our lives that we say "uh oh" and
finally look at our lives objectively. If we had been paying attention
in the first place, we could have avoided or at least minimized much of
the hurt that befalls us, but we're too busy filling our heads with
meaningless things to take the time to notice the important things like
where we're going.

Like in Alice in Wonderland, Alice asks the Cheshire Cat which way to
go. The cat asks where she wants to get to. Alice says she doesn't know,
and the cat replies that in that case, any road will take you there.

Another aspect of the song is Ivan's musical career. The boys had made a
hit, but got nowhere with it. It got them fame, and almost a major
award, but the money all went elsewhere. For all their efforts and all
their talent and all the things their heads were filled with, they may
as well have been walking in circles.

We're beginning to get into some of the reasons why FOTE3 is my favorite
hats album...

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivans familly
Date: 09 Apr 1998 21:29:10 -0700


The reason I want to know is because I am online and talking to this
guy named Peter Doroschuk
he claims to be Ivan,Stefan and Collins cousin and I dont know
he seems to know what he is talking about though!

Thanx for your help..
if anyone could figure this one out for me
I  would be most grateful!

you understand..I dont want to find out I am online with a
wierdo pervert guy who is inpersonating...

Thanx again

Michelle



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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) YEAH THANX FOR THE INFO!
Date: 09 Apr 1998 21:22:51 -0700


well thank you for telling me who Wendy was.
hmm...verry interesting
I think I will stick with MWH.

=)

Michelle



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From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) wdtbg/ folk of the 80s III
Date: 10 Apr 1998 12:33:25 EDT



i absolutely agree with you there also!   : )

on both of those songs.  your interpretation of wdtbg is the same as the one i
originally heard when i first found the album. i heard the other one years
later while listening to album with a wonderful female friend and saw that i
was doing exactly that and saw that the same thing went on everywhere i
looked.

this is one of the things i love about mwh. there are multiple meanings in all
of the songs. ivan likes to do this. (he even said so in an interview once,
making me laugh!)

    very well put about not for tears!

thank you. stuff like this is exactly what i hoped for when joining this list!

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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where do the Boys Go?
Date: 10 Apr 1998 13:11:17 -0400


Hey, Hatters!

Listening to MWH's live stuff, I think it's pretty clear that Ivan meant
that song to mean "Where does MWH go?"  (At the end of one live version of
"WDTBG", Ivan says 'Where do we go?').  I think it's about the hectic
touring the band did right after "Safety Dance" hit it big.

Later,

Vince



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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where To The Boys Go?
Date: 10 Apr 1998 14:23:13 -0500 (CDT)


I bet Vince is probably right about the touring and band not knowing
what's going on.  But I've always had an interpretation of this about lost
youth: when you're young, friends and amusement are abundant, and the
simple joy of life is enough to keep you excited and happy - so, a group
of young boys could get together and have a good time, and the activity
doesn't matter - walking around in circles going "whaho!" is sufficient.
And when you're young, you have lots of strange crazy ideas that have
little grounding in reality - "our heads were filled with things that
didn't matter anyway" - but you just don't care, it doesn't bother you.
Then, of course, "Where Do the Boys Go?" asks "What happened to all the
friends and simple pleasures of youth?  Why is everything so dull and
serious?  How is it that we could amuse ourselves for hours doing
(activity X, something extremely pointless and silly)?  Why doesn't it
work anymore?"  Sort of related to I Know Their Name.

Just another take on it...

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pirates With Boots
Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT)



Index for MWH CD Nos. 1-5 and 8 copied directly
to a single NTSC VHS HiFi videocassette...
When CD Nos. 6 and 7 become available, their
contents will also be added.


PIRATES WITH BOOTS
------------------

"Folk Of The 80's" EP (released 1980)
 1. Modern(e) Dancing
 2. Utter Space
 3. Antarctica
 4. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)


"Rhythm Of Youth" Demos (1980)
 1. Gravity Is My Enemy
 2. 1999
 3. Rhythm Of Youth
 4. Treblinka
 5. Ban The Game
 6. Living In China


"Rhythm Of Youth" Live (1983)
 1. The Safety Dance
 2. I Like
 3. Where Do The Boys Go?
 4. Ideas For Walls
 5. The Great Ones Remember
 6. Messiahs Die Young
 7. Freeways
 8. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
 9. I Got The Message
10. Modern(e) Dancing
11. Things In My Life


"BBC Rock Hour" Live at Club Casino; Hampton Beach, New Hampshire
London Wavelength's Broadcast Week Of October 16, 1983
 1. Intro
 2. Ideas For Walls
 3. Where Do The Boys Go?
 4. Safety Dance
 5. Mother's Opinion
 6. Security
 7. Modern(e) Dancing


"Folk Of The 80's, Part III" Rehearsals (1984)
 1. Ou Sont Mes Men
 2. No Dancing
 3. Unsatisfaction
 4. Where Do The Boys Go?
 5. Mother's Opinion
 6. Editions Of You (Heavy Guitars Mix)
 7. Eurotheme
 8. Messiahs Die Young
 9. I Know Their Name
10. Folk Of The 80's
11. I Sing Last / Not For Tears
12. Editions Of You


"Freeways" EP (part 1 of 2; released 1985)
 1. Freeways (Euromix)


"Freeways" Live at 'Le Spectrum', Montreal (8 Aug 1985)
 1. Heaven
 2. I Know Their Name
 3. Antarctica
 4. Modern(e) Dancing
 5. I Sing Last, Not For Tears
 6. Jenny Wore Black
 7. Freeways
 8. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
 9. Ban The Game
10. I Like
11. Editions Of You
12. The Safety Dance
13. I Got The Message
14. Where Do The Boys Go?


"Freeways" EP (part 2 of 2; released 1985)
 2. Freeways (Super 87)
 3. Freeways (Nationale 7)
 4. Freeways (Europa 8)


Remix Boni (released 1987/8)
 1. Pop Goes The World (Dance)
 2. Pop Goes The World (Extended)
 3. Pop Goes The World (Dub)
 4. Moonbeam (Extended)
 5. Moonbeam (Radio Edit)
 6. Moonbeam (Bach Alpella)
 7. Moonbeam (House Is A Home Mix)
 8. Moonbeam (Moose's Mac Mix)


The Ultimate "Studio" Out-Take (January 1983?)
 1. Winnebago Song


"Live Ivan 1997"
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Dave said:

>>keep the dumb animals in their pens

I don't know if I like that.




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Subject: Re: (hats) Where do the Boys Go?
Date: 10 Apr 1998 20:23:00 -0400 (EDT)




Vince said:

>>Ivan meant that song to mean "Where does MWH go?"  (At the end of one
>>live
>>version of "WDTBG", Ivan says 'Where do we go?').  I think it's about
>>the
>>hectic touring the band did right after "Safety Dance" hit it big.


Agreed. Very good analysis.

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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Rhythm of Youth
Date: 10 Apr 1998 19:43:23 -0700


> OK, now leave me alone!!!!
> -Eric
>
> >Eric-
> >You are a stupid moron.
> >Nobody on the list likes Rhythm of Youth.  It is even
> >worse than PGTW.  I can't believe that you like it.
> >Get a life you dumb bastard!




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From: [e-mail] (Timothy RE Manners)
Subject: (hats) Where Do The Boys Go? 12" on vinyl available for trade
Date: 10 Apr 1998 21:06:59 -0700


I have a 1984 Statik UK version of the Where Do The Boys Go? Extended
version.  B-Side is Eurotheme.

I want a CD-R copy of Fan CD 2 or 3

or

A copy of the video collection distributed last year.

Other offers encouraged!

Write to me directly at

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IVAN LIVE at  LES AMAZONES STRIP JOIN
Date: 11 Apr 1998 10:54:40 EDT


HEy

Don't miss Ivan getting some private dances from strippers

ahahahahahaah

PLUS, what kind of underwear Ivan is using.

And the final issue, Ivan has 2 hands and 2 feets... AWESOME

Francis


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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Soooo Funny!
Date: 11 Apr 1998 10:54:41 EDT


Hey, I hope you like the last messages,  it's fun to see Ivan's everywhere
eheheheh

Ciao

Francis


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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show ---  Not too many people
Date: 11 Apr 1998 10:54:42 EDT


Hey gang.

Further to all your comments, We will be 10 or 15 peoples for this show.  I
kept ALL your comments for the fact to get MWH show instead of getting Ivan
itself and I'm gonna give them to Ivan himself....

Ciao

Francis


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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN
Date: 11 Apr 1998 10:54:43 EDT


I taped Ivan on TSN.....

He didn't talk a lot.  He talked about toppless girl and my wife found him
very stupid, so do I.

Ciao

Francis (the discourage man about mwh)



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From: ADTooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) IVAN LIVE at  LES AMAZONES STRIP JOIN
Date: 11 Apr 1998 12:08:41 EDT


In a message dated 98-04-11 11:03:15 EDT, you write:

<< HEy

 Don't miss Ivan getting some private dances from strippers

 ahahahahahaah

 PLUS, what kind of underwear Ivan is using.

 And the final issue, Ivan has 2 hands and 2 feets... AWESOME

 Francis >>

could somebody please tell me what is all this about?

angie


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From: Chris Dalton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question, sort of. related in any case.
Date: 11 Apr 1998 12:00:53 -0700


I see "where do the boys go" has many interpretations.  The images
are strong but there aren't really that many words to sort out.

I've always thought the song was about school. "We walked around
in circles singing, whohuhoh", "our heads were filled with things
that didn't matter anyway".  Sometimes Ivan steps into the teacher
persona and says things like "okay, third time, everybody sing ...".

Even though the song is about "boys", I've never seen a gender
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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Did I miss something here?
Date: 11 Apr 1998 11:50:10 -0700



Francis wrote...


>HEy

Don't miss Ivan getting some private dances from strippers

ahahahahahaah

PLUS, what kind of underwear Ivan is using.

And the final issue, Ivan has 2 hands and 2 feets... AWESOME

Francis


>>I did I miss something here?

Michelle




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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oups....
Date: 12 Apr 1998 16:36:02 EDT


Hey gang.

Sorry for my message....  I was in a mood to joke about "Ivan will eat
spaghetti" or "Ivan went to a Chineese restaurant".

I receive a lot of messages.... NOOOO Ivan will not be in a strip join....
(Not as a public appearance as far as I know).

I'm just a little bit discourage because I putted to much efford for our
private show and the guy (Ivan) doesn't want to be very cooperative for THE
REAL FAN.

So, If he doesn't want to recognize the people who follow him all his public
life in the good and the bad moments, he doesn't need my support for his solo
carrier.

Sorry, that's how I feel.

Ciao

Francis


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) There's still hope!!
Date: 12 Apr 1998 18:22:42 -0600


> I'm just a little bit discourage because I putted to much efford for our
> private show and the guy (Ivan) doesn't want to be very cooperative for THE
> REAL FAN.
>
> So, If he doesn't want to recognize the people who follow him all his public
> life in the good and the bad moments, he doesn't need my support for his solo
> carrier.

Maybe asking him to perform has been the wrong approach all along. After all,
when you ask someone to do something you must be prepared for any answer. We
can't have that!  Say, doesn't he have a daughter?  Maybe we should kidnap her
and threaten him to sing the way we want or else.  I've heard that bamboo
splinters under finger nails can also be very persuasive!  Any other suggestions?

Senz




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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) There's still hope!!
Date: 12 Apr 1998 22:49:26 EDT


In a message dated 98-04-12 20:23:39 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

> Say, doesn't he have a daughter?  Maybe we should kidnap her
>  and threaten him to sing the way we want or else.


????

i thought COLIN was the one with a daughter *Sahara*....

! ! ! !

Charlotte


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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) theres still hope
Date: 12 Apr 1998 18:16:53 -0700


Oh dear..
you guys are SO funny...


are you serious though?

Michelle



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From: Derrick & Ellen Sandford <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Any Available Videos?????
Date: 13 Apr 1998 02:56:55 -0500


Hey, does anyone know where I can get a copy of any MWH vids? Is there
actually any official(ish) videos to be had?

...............Derrick & Vamp


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) There's still hope!!
Date: 13 Apr 1998 08:07:24 +0000


hi Hatters!

Senz jokingly said
> > Say, doesn't he have a daughter?  Maybe we should kidnap her
> >  and threaten him to sing the way we want or else.

Then Charlotte said
> i thought COLIN was the one with a daughter *Sahara*....

Charlotte: you are right.  From what I have gathered, Ivan is
divorced with no kiddies; Sahara (a perfect little angel-child!!) is
Ivan's niece (Colin's daughter).

Steve:  I know you meant that as a joke, because I have known you
for some time and I know that you are very sweet and have a wild
sense of humor.  However, Ivan is very concerned about stalkers and
the like, because apparently he knew Selena, the Tejano singer who
was killed by her fan club president.  So, that wasn't funny.

And a general comment to everyone, from Laura the Killjoy: Remember,
even when Ivan doesn't have email access, which he hasn't for a
while, there are other band members who do, and they fax him over
some of the more interesting tidbits from the list.  Let's keep it
polite, please!  I know we are all very disappointed that it is
becoming less and less likely that we will get our "musical book
signing," but I don't think that sniping or attacking is the mature
way to go here.

End general verbal spanking.

Still hoping to see everyone in Montreal!!
*fingers crossed for luck*
:-) Laura


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From: Kris Boutilier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in Vancouver
Date: 13 Apr 1998 11:06:16 -0700



 Just heard on LG73 that "Ivan, formerly of the band Men Without Hats,
will be at 'Richards on Richards' on Wednesday night". (That would be
Wed. the 15th.)

 I won't be able to make it, but perhaps others might be interested....


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) There's still hope!!
Date: 13 Apr 1998 10:47:44 -0600




Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote:

> Steve:  I know you meant that as a joke, because I have known you
> for some time and I know that you are very sweet and have a wild
> sense of humor.  However, Ivan is very concerned about stalkers and
> the like, because apparently he knew Selena, the Tejano singer who
> was killed by her fan club president.  So, that wasn't funny.

I was just using a little sarcasm to make a point. Nothing else!  :-)The truth
is, I have no interest in Ivan's personal life (which is why I fell asleep
when reading about Sahara). I have a feeling that Ivan would rather not have
us look at his private life with a microscope.  And whether he goes to strip
bars, paints his toenails pink, or has a huge tattoo of "Mommy" written across
his chest, it doesn't interest me. I only care about his music, which I find
is outstanding in it's complexity and honesty. (And certainly I look forward
to more!!)

Thank you, Laura, for explaining my post.  I was kind of at a loss for words
when I saw that Michelle thought I was serious.  I really wasn't expecting
that and I'll be more careful next time!

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's video still
Date: 14 Apr 1998 10:39:43 -0500


Hi all!

I finally did it sorry. Sorry for the delay. I digitalised some pictures from
various TV appearances of the main man (Ivan). The job was mainly done for
Steve Enz (so help yourself man) but since I figured several of you may want
some of those images, I thought the easiest way to make them available was to
put them online. Take as many as you want and do whatever you want with them.
If this thing is popular enough, I may put stills from each Men Without Hats
and Ivan videos.

The URL is: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/sunra/373/ivanmain.html

For Vince (Silvaggio): si tu vois des fautes, pourrais tu m'envoyer les
corrections? Merci d'avance.

Take care all

Claude


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 14 Apr 1998 14:52:22 -0500


Happy birthday to Thomas Ullrich from all his fellow hatters!


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH tribute CD
Date: 15 Apr 1998 15:52:32 -0500


Hi gang...

Everything is mooving smoothly. To this day it is a 10 songs deal. I'm still
wating for some confirmations from you guys (Myke). Most of the communications
are done in private to make it has some sort of surprise. I'm trying to get
some "known" artists to contribute to the CD. For those on the list who wants
to contribute a song there is still room. 8 songs are already "reserved". I'm
looking for a release at the end of june.

Concerning the cover art, FRONT will probably be a parody of the Sgt Pepper
cover, with the MWH instead of the Beatles, and various characters from the
Hats mythos in the background. What I would like is to have as many people
from the list appearing on this cover. Since this work takes longer to do,
I'll need pictures ASAP (before may 15th). After that I'll work with what I
have. You can send them via e-mail (any format) or by snail mail (address
given on request). I had some interesting submissions for art work. Some that
blend well with the Sgt Pepper angle, and some less. If you have some
suggestions, feel oblige to make yourself heard. I may publish some suggestion
on-line for your appreciation and comments....

Take care all

Claude


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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Wanting to lend???
Date: 15 Apr 1998 18:55:37 -0700


hello fellow fans
I was wondering if anyone would be likely to lend me a copy of the music
videos Open your eyes, Safety dance , pop goes the world, or super bad
girls.

thanx
being I have seen none of them

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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) WAIT A MINUTE HERE!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 1998 21:11:53 -0700


Excuse me.....is this some kind of wierd joke?
copying MY homepage at Geocities.com/southbeach/breakers/9214 and taking the
credit?????

myke and someone.....
I would like a explanation....(accualy I am flattered )
BUT still....its my page and I made it from my mind..

I dont know..
this is wierd.

Michelle
AKA [e-mail]
this is no longer in use...
(just in case you know,)
I got email bombed..





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From: "David Brady" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Finally - got my 2-fer
Date: 16 Apr 1998 20:25:28 -0800



Just a public thanks to Laura and her cohorts for getting those 2-fer discs
out.  Got mine in the mail today and am exceedingly happy!

Now, if I could only get Tom Tom Club's 'Close to the Bone' on CD... oh,
the injustice!  Hey Carl - wanna give that one a shot?

David




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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) THANKS YOU LAURA!!!!
Date: 17 Apr 1998 17:03:49 -0700


Hatters-
Yet another public thanks to Laura.  I got my 2 fer today and AM HAPPY :-)
Thanks again Laura!

Eric Soderblom
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2fer
Date: 17 Apr 1998 21:03:16 -0400


> > Hatters-
> > Yet another public thanks to Laura.  I got my 2 fer today and AM HAPPY
> :-)
> > Thanks again Laura!
> >
> > Eric Soderblom
>
> Notice the sound quality of the 2fer.  Now that is how a CD is supposed
to
> sound.   Do you realize that the 2fer is ROY and FOLKIII digitally
> remastered?
>
> Notice that the ROY tracks on the 2fer sound 10 times better than on
> Collection or Greatest Hats.
>
> Want to know why or how?

Are these really deleted now?

Tom
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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Folk of the 80's Part III
Date: 19 Apr 1998 08:47:04 -0400 (EDT)


Hello fellow Hatters,

Thanks to Laura, I received my 2fer the other day.  However, I was shocked
to hear FOTEIII played at the correct speed!  I borrowed the record from
someone about four years ago, and taped it on to cassette.  My record
player at that time always played things just a tad bit faster than usual
(but I didn't know this until now).  When I heard the CD, I realized all
the songs were actually -lower-, and being played at the correct speed.
I'm discovering FOTEIII all over again!  What a great time.  Now I'm
curious to hear Modern dancing all over again... because it fall into the
same scenerio!

Take care,

Nathan




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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2-fer
Date: 19 Apr 1998 11:54:08 -0400


Hello all,

Many lucky individuals recently wrote:

> Just a public thanks to Laura and her cohorts for getting those 2-fer discs
> out.  Got mine in the mail today and am exceedingly happy!

>Yet another public thanks to Laura.  I got my 2 fer today and AM HAPPY :-)

>Notice the sound quality of the 2fer.  Now that is how a CD is
>supposed to sound.   Do you realize that the 2fer is ROY and FOLKIII
>digitally remastered?
>Notice that the ROY tracks on the 2fer sound 10 times better than
>on Collection or Greatest Hats.

>Thanks to Laura, I received my 2fer the other day.  However, I was
>shocked to hear FOTEIII played at the correct speed!

Oh, man, you guys are driving me crazy with anticipation!  I just
recently availed Laura of her 2-fer service and am eagerly watching the
mailbox.  I don't know about you guys, but for me ROY on CD is a kind of
holy grail that, after all these years, finally seems within reach.  Oh,
man!

Oh, one more thing--

Tom Norman wrote:
> Are these really deleted now?

If you are referring to my earlier comment about the 2-fer no longer
appearing in the on-line Oglio catalog (and if you are not referring to
this, please disregard): My statement was only partially correct; I
subsequently learned from others on the list that it is merely
unavailable to U.S. and Canada.

Take care everyone!
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From: MAGENTA <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: nathan/turntable RPM speed...
Date: 19 Apr 1998 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT)



howdy hatters:)

yes nathan, turntables have a nasty habit of being calibrated to play
records at a slightly higher pitch...i remember when i was about 10-11, i
used to cram a 1/2" piece of red rubber eraser behind the sliding switch of
my trusty ole' Soundesign (one of those funky turntable/raadio combos in the
plastic `wood-like to match mommy's hideous buffet'
...um...cubes....*shudder* i have since graduated to a Marantz system,
thanks:) the eraser would apply enough pressure to the switch as to slow
down the player to the correct pitch....the one deviation to my current
set-up is a technics tunrtable with modulating pitch-control knob, so i can
custom tune things for dubbing n' such:)

now some of those rubber trees can breathe a bit easier, eh? ;)

ttyl,
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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal Concert
Date: 19 Apr 1998 21:10:33 EDT


Dear trip-leaders,

     I'm looking into whether or not you've decided when the date is going to
be for the Hats Concert in June. I'd also like to  know any info on ticket
pricing and any other charges I might not be aware of.

     I'm asking now becaus I stoppes reading a few weeks ago when whatever we
were arguing about escalated to the point people were thinking about dropping
off the list, thus causing me to miss any updates.

     Thanks.
--Nick


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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) more MWH pictures
Date: 20 Apr 1998 00:22:33 -0500


Hi Hatters!

For all the nostalgics out there: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/sunra/373/mwhmain.html

Hope you'll enjoy...

Take care

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) more MWH pictures
Date: 20 Apr 1998 00:43:48 -0400 (EDT)



Claude,

    I tried going to...

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/sunra/373/mwhmain.html

    but it said that it does not exist on this server. Is it my app.
or has this happened to others?

Collin at Ithaca






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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) more MWH pictures
Date: 20 Apr 1998 12:14:39 -0500


[e-mail] a =E9crit:
>=20
> I tried going to...
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/sunra/373/mwhmain.html
> but it said that it does not exist on this server. Is it my app.
> or has this happened to others?

It work just fine Colin. Keep on trying, sometime the FortuneCity's serve=
r is
handling more than it can (they are offering 10meg free!).

Take care

Claude


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From: Steve Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven
Date: 21 Apr 1998 08:37:57 -0400


Does anyone know if there is a studio version of "Heaven" available
somewhere?  (MP3 format, even?)  I've only heard the  live version on the
second bootleg.

Thanks

Steve




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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) next meeting of NC region club!
Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:03:47 +0000


hi Hatters!

It's that time again!  The next meeting of the Triange (NC) region of
the MWH/Ivan fan club will be Thursday at 11:30 at the Applebees on
Kildaire Farm Road in Cary.  :-)

Again, our honored guest will be Per-Johan Josefsson, who will be
returning to Sweden on Sunday.

No need to RSVP!  I will post the minutes from the meeting after
lunch again.

Tee hee hee!!!

:-) Laura


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From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) thanks for the input everyone!
Date: 21 Apr 1998 19:44:06 EDT


hey- just wanted to say thanks for all the input on what where do the boys go
means to various folks. it was really cool to see the many different ideas.
(it is a particularly wide open song being that is has so few lyrics too! : )
)

 got another question: what do ye make of
 "we sang about twenty and two / a hundred and two?"
 (walk on water)

       smiles
            Aerechui


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From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Laura you're a lifesaver
Date: 22 Apr 1998 14:09:44 -0400


Hello all,

Just another in the list of public "thank you's" to Laura.  Just got my
2-fer in the mail today.  It is a good day indeed!

Intrigued by a comment made earlier regarding the superior sound quality
of the 2-fer due to digital remastering, I promptly loaded in my
Collection CD and set it to I Like (I love the rising drum beat at the
beginning bursting into an intoxicating rhythm), then did the same with
the 2-fer.  Wow!  The Collection version is indeed, in comparison,
rather tinny and the bass is hesitant at best.

Laura-san, makoto ni arigatou gozaimashita.  Jaa, mata ne!

--Jeffrey Abbas


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD #8 available
Date: 23 Apr 1998 08:50:03 +0000


I am now making copies of CD8 and getting them all ready. I will
shipping out the first few by this WED.

Alot of people have emailed me asking when they can get it and the
time is now.

Also the other cds are still available. If you want to know what is
on each CD you can vist my web site (which has all songs on the
bootlegs in mp3 format) at www.holdman.com/mwh

The qulaity on CD#8 is not as good as the rest of the CDs just to
warn you. It was not a direct recording but was recorded with a
portable tape desk using the built in microphone. You can hear the
quality of it before you order by downloading one of the mp3 files
on my website.

Again the price for the CDs are $15 including color artwork. The CDs
are not available anymore without the artwork since I make a whole
slew of them ready with artwork already on them. The artwork is
printed on a real press and the quality is the same you would expect
from buying the CD from the store.

Again these are the CDS that are available
1,2,3,4,5,8

Cds 6 and 7 are not available right now and I am not sure when they
will be.

There will also be a CD-ROM available with all 8 cds (when they are
available) in mp3 format. There will also be some music videos on the
cd-rom and a few covers of MWH songs done by other bands. The CD-ROM
is not available yet and when it is I will let you all know.

The CD-ROM will be $15 including the artwork just like the audio CDs.

If anybody wants to order CD boots 1,2,3,4,5,8 send a check for $15
per CD to

Richard Holdman
112 North 300 East
PG, Utah 84062

I will not step down off my box :)

-Richard


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From: D Krupla <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD #8 available
Date: 23 Apr 1998 09:03:33 -0700 (PDT)



---Richard Holdman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> The qulaity on CD#8 is not as good as the rest of the CDs just to
> warn you. It was not a direct recording but was recorded with a
> portable tape desk using the built in microphone. You can hear the
> quality of it before you order by downloading one of the mp3 files
> on my website.

The quality *is* a bit low.  That's why we wanted the stuff at the mp3
site.  If you are thinking of getting this cd, *please* check
Richard's mp3 site first.

For what we had to work with, the recording's great.  And it does
sound better on better systems.  Right, Tom?

Dave K
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Cause the rhythm of youth is the rhythm of life
The rhythm of life is the rhythm of youth."

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I need these songs
Date: 23 Apr 1998 13:31:44 +0000


I am looking for these songs to add to my mp3 site.

If you have any of them would you please convert them to mp3 and send
them to me. For more mp3 info you can go to www.mp3.com or email me

Thanks

Ivan's work on his brothers' Excerpts from the Matter
Ivan's work on Mitsou's album
Safety Dance by Status Quo
Safety Dance from the Cocktail: Shakin' & Stirred album
Brady Bunch by Weird Al Yankovic
Pop Goes the World by the Grooving Ghoulies
Pop Goes the World by The Nils

-Richard


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From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mothers opinion
Date: 23 Apr 1998 18:13:36 -0700


Hi people

I was wondering if there was a copy of Mothers Opinion on au, aif, or
wav.....my computer cans keep up with mp3s its to slow and I am WAY
deprived..I have not been able to listen to that song yet..
(along with many others)

well thanx again

Michelle



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From: Thomas Norman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) I need these songs
Date: 24 Apr 1998 17:15:16 -0400



>Ivan's work on his brothers' Excerpts from the Matter
>Ivan's work on Mitsou's album
>Safety Dance by Status Quo
>Safety Dance from the Cocktail: Shakin' & Stirred album
>Brady Bunch by Weird Al Yankovic
>Pop Goes the World by the Grooving Ghoulies
>Pop Goes the World by The Nils
>
>-Richard

Richard,
Maybe I can burn you a copy of "excerpts from Matter III".  The group is
called Centrifugal Force.  Colin is the singer on the album.  ITs
interesting because Sahara sings a bit and Jacqline dances in the video and
concert, the same people from the SPELL.

Colin really has an amazing voice.  I know for a fact that this CD is
deleted so you should definately get it from one of us.

I am real sorry about the holdup with CD#6,7.
I don't understand why this guy is SO busy.   I HAVE a copy of 6,7 but not
remastered.
This guy is putting a month of work into these concerts in a PRO studio.

I just want to let you know that if this guy doesn't come through, I will
just let you have my tape - hissy copies.

Tom
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From: Doug Organ <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) men without hats stickers
Date: 26 Apr 1998 19:40:46 -0600


Hello. Does anyone know where I can find MWH stickers? Thanks. -Doug.



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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Poesie Noire
Date: 27 Apr 1998 23:05:34 -0400


Who was the kind soul that offered to duplicate the Poesie Noire CDs?
Please e-mail me, you are my only hope.  :-/

Tom
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 28 Apr 1998 09:54:34 -0500


Happy birthday to Greg Baerg and Marty McKolskey from all their fellow hatters!


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Videos
Date: 28 Apr 1998 08:19:31 -0700


Hatters,

I stayed home sick yesterday (feeling much better now), and re-watched
the video compilation to cheer myself up.

I thought it was on Pop-Up Video, but I must have seen it somewhere
else. I believe Ivan was married to the woman in the Safety Dance video.
In the I Like video, the same woman was very pregnant. Is Ivan a father?
Was the big belly a fake?

And years ago, on ALTV (Weird Al periodically takes over MTV) he
commented on the baby in PGTW as "The baby with the biggest hands in the
world!" (since the baby/keyboardist is playing the music...)

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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Videos
Date: 28 Apr 1998 11:47:44 -0500


Dave Mattingly a =E9crit:
>=20
> I stayed home sick yesterday (feeling much better now), and re-watched
> the video compilation to cheer myself up.

good idea...

> I thought it was on Pop-Up Video, but I must have seen it somewhere
> else. I believe Ivan was married to the woman in the Safety Dance video.
> In the I Like video, the same woman was very pregnant. Is Ivan a father=
?
> Was the big belly a fake?

Ivan was NOT married with the woman in the Safety Dance video.

> And years ago, on ALTV (Weird Al periodically takes over MTV) he
> commented on the baby in PGTW as "The baby with the biggest hands in th=
e
> world!" (since the baby/keyboardist is playing the music...)

And mostly because the hands in the video are those of an adult!

Take care

Claude


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From: Candace Roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 12" for sale
Date: 29 Apr 1998 16:09:40 -0400


I have a 12" copy of Modern Dancing / Living In China with picture
sleeve if anyone is interested.

Thanks
Gordon


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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stickers
Date: 29 Apr 1998 20:48:56 EDT


Hey!

Do you think it would be a nice idea to re-print MWH stickers ????

The price was 7$ U.S. or 10$ canadian for 100.

The plates to do the job are done now, the cost could drop at 4$ U.s. or 7$
canadian...

Let me know.

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TV etc.
Date: 30 Apr 1998 12:48:40 -0700


Hi,
    Just a reminder that the repeat airing of the Camilla Scott show that Ivan
was on will be on tomorrow in Canada, 3pm (check your listings).
    I was looking through some of my stuff and I found a promo tape called
"Here's To You... Sideways" which has 5 tracks from Sideways, and comes in
a cassingle type of promo cover (# is PROC 75, 1991). If anyone is
interested in this for their collection please make me an offer.
      I also found a copy of the Mitsou 3 version (orininal mix 3:10,
extended mix 5:42, and single mix 3:20) promo cd single of the song "A
Funny Place" written by Ivan with him on backing vocals, was someone
looking for this track/or remix for any reason?

Bye,

Kirk



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