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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <swooldri@mldff.uk.lucent.com>
Subject: (hats) Another test message from Si
Date: 01 Mar 1998 13:05:38 -0000
Hopefully, finally, this is the last test message I`ll have to send. I
should now be subscribed via the right server.....
ttfn,
Si Wooldridge
Senior Systems Equipment Engineer
Lucent Technologies
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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <swooldri@mldff.uk.lucent.com>
Subject: (hats) Attn Ralph/Claude - I`m back....
Date: 01 Mar 1998 13:29:30 -0000
Apologies to uninterested parties......
Ralph/Claude,
I take by the absence of replies from either of you that my mails
haven`t been getting to you. Now my Hats mailing is sorted now, you
should be able to reply direct to this mail and get through OK. My
e-mail address hasn`t changed as far as I`m aware, but our IT dept have
had a ton of problems since we moved to our new offices so that could
well be the cause.
Anyway, after some messing around on both my Exchange and Unix servers,
I appear have resumed normal service. Look forward to hearing from you
both.
ttfn,
Si Wooldridge
Senior Systems Equipment Engineer
Lucent Technologies
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From: MAGENTA <magenta@trex.org>
Subject: (hats) re: concert *update*
Date: 01 Mar 1998 08:52:03 -0800 (PST)
howdy folx!
francis, the only input i would have for this thing *BESIDES getting it
booked ;)* is, yes i would like for the other two bros. to be involved as
well as strongly routing for an indoor venue...list of songs don't matter,
opening act would be nice....um....i THINK that's all for now...*lol*
anyone else?
ttyl,
-C-
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From: Nikolai81 <Nikolai81@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show - UPDATE
Date: 01 Mar 1998 15:53:44 EST
In a message dated 98-02-28 11:44:48 EST, JDivito334@aol.com writes:
> My personnal questions will me:
>
> 1- Could we choose the songs we want
> 2- Could we have other member of MWH on stage (stefan or Collin)
> 3- Could we have our opening show
> 4- Coud we tape the show.
>
> Any more questions ??????
Can we have a CD-Recording hook-up? Instead of transferring the video tape to
CD, we could just record it live :)
I hope this wasn't already asked ;)
--Nick
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) My computer is down!!!
Date: 01 Mar 1998 19:25:11 EST
My computer will not work properly and I can't get online. :-(
If anyone there can help me, please tell me what to do.
Windows 95 will only start in "safe mode" and I don't know how
to get it started in normal mode. :-(
If you can give me advice, write me at adtooley@hotmail.com
I need to get back ASAP to keep in touch with those who have info on the
concert!!!
Thank you !!!!
Angie
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) I'm back online
Date: 01 Mar 1998 23:05:09 EST
Everything is OK now. I came back from Montreal to find my computer down.
Called Microsoft tech support and they set me straight. So, back to business!
Angie :-)
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From: Ralph Deiterding <ralph@mks.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Attn Ralph/Claude - I`m back....
Date: 02 Mar 1998 12:01:08 +0000
Wooldridge, Simon wrote:
>
> Apologies to uninterested parties......
>
> Ralph/Claude,
>
> I take by the absence of replies from either of you that my mails
> haven`t been getting to you. Now my Hats mailing is sorted now, you
> should be able to reply direct to this mail and get through OK. My
> e-mail address hasn`t changed as far as I`m aware, but our IT dept have
> had a ton of problems since we moved to our new offices so that could
> well be the cause.
I tried a direct reply to you on Sunday with no luck. I've been getting
your mails, but still can't get one to you. I'll keep trying.
Ralph
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From: dolphind@interlog.com
Subject: (hats) Ivan Live in Toronto
Date: 03 Mar 1998 12:55:04 -0800
I just read that Ivan is playing LIVE at The Guvernment this Friday, March
6th here in Toronto. I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not
as I have been away for 9 days.
Kirk
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Live in Toronto
Date: 03 Mar 1998 14:00:28 -0500
dolphind@interlog.com a =E9crit:
>=20
> I just read that Ivan is playing LIVE at The Guvernment this Friday, Ma=
rch
> 6th here in Toronto. I don't know if this has been mentioned before or =
not
> as I have been away for 9 days.
Hum... Are you sure about that? I'll have to check it out in the TOX Ivan=
's
concert listing...
Sure...
Claude
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: (hats) message for al
Date: 03 Mar 1998 13:30:25 -0500 (EST)
Al,
I wrote to you a while ago about me going up to Montreal. I was
wondering if you would have any time in the next two weeks to support a
desperate kid in your home? Not for two weeks...just one or two days in
the next 2 weeks.
Thanx
COllin
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan concert in Toronto Friday
Date: 03 Mar 1998 17:56:12 -0500
Friday March 6, The Guvernment, Toronto.
http://www.ticketmaster.ca
This is for Canadian Music Week Festival
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Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Live in Toronto
Date: 03 Mar 1998 20:19:08 -0500
> I just read that Ivan is playing LIVE at The Guvernment this Friday,
March
> 6th here in Toronto. I don't know if this has been mentioned before or
not
> as I have been away for 9 days.
>
> Kirk
Wow!
More tour dates??? Cool. Does the TOX webpage have these new dates on
it? :-)
Tom
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From: Candace Roberts <icehouse@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (hats) vinyl shops in the UK
Date: 02 Mar 1998 19:51:17 -0500
I'm looking to speak with anyone who might have access to some large
popular music-based record shops in the UK??
I'm looking for some 7" vinyl by former lead singer of Living In A Box
(Richard Darbyshire).
If you can help in any way, please contact me. I will certainly pay you
handsomely if you find some items.
Some examples I'm looking for:
Wherever Love Is Found/ Her Signature
This I Swear/ Perfect Romance
These vinyl items have some rare b-sides I'm attempting to track down.
Thanks for listening.
Sincerely
Gordon
icehouse@worldnet.att.net
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Live in Toronto
Date: 04 Mar 1998 00:43:57 -0500
Tom Norman a =E9crit:
>=20
> > I just read that Ivan is playing LIVE at The Guvernment this Friday,
> March
> > 6th here in Toronto. I don't know if this has been mentioned before o=
r
> not
> > as I have been away for 9 days.
> >
> > Kirk
>=20
> Wow!
> More tour dates??? Cool. Does the TOX webpage have these new dates =
on
> it? :-)
As usual, the TOX website is very up to date on hot news. Seen lately; Iv=
an is
supposed to release a new CD called THE SPELL... last year.
I'm so excited
Claude
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 04 Mar 1998 07:05:58 EST
In a message dated 98-03-03 23:45:46 EST, you write:
<< he discussion that's been going on about the opening act for the Ivan
fan club show has given me an idea. Here it is. Since there is a MWH
covers CD being put together, and most of the people involved are going
to be at the concert, why not have the various groups (or some subset of
them) do their Hats covers as the opening act. We could set it up like
so everyone uses the same microphones, amps, and drum kit, but brings
their own instruments (keys, guitars, and basses) up with them. This
would allow us to transitition between artists quite quickly (this is the
same idea they use at most open mike nights).
This would give us the advantage of an opening act that we wouldn't have
to pay. People would already know the songs. People would already know
the artists and the interpretations of the songs since the CD would be
readily available to list members. Finally, it would keep it sort of a
"family" affair since all of the opening artists would be list members.
Comments?>>
I have a comment. It sounds like a good idea, but wouldn't it be a little
tacky to open the show with the same songs Ivan is going to play for us? It's
pretty non-traditional to open a concert with your own rendition of the
concert act's music.
I love the idea of the fan compilation CD, but I think that project should be
separate and alone from the private concert.
Any other comments?
Angie
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (hats) Private Show
Date: 04 Mar 1998 18:52:02 +0100
>Can we have a CD-Recording hook-up? Instead of transferring the video tape to
>CD, we could just record it live :)
>
>I hope this wasn't already asked ;)
>
>--Nick
I would strongly advise _not_ using CD-R in a live situation - use DAT or
better still several DAT units. Maximum time on CD is 74 minutes but 124
on DAT (at full quality of course). Then, its a simple case of sending
me the actual DAT (or giving me a copy after the gig!!) and I'll cut the
master CD-R for others to duplicate asap.
But then again, what do I know...
}:-)
Mike
Pigpen Digital, London
PS ...quite a lot actually!
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 04 Mar 1998 18:26:26 -0500 (EST)
I would have to agree with Angie on that one... that is, opening with
songs that MWH would play anyway. I like the idea, but I think it would
be just a little too weird, not only for us, but for Ivan and Co. as well.
By the way, is this concert actually a go? I haven't heard that anything
has been contracted yet.
Nathan
Oh, Tom, was it you that was selling the CD#4, or someone else. I'd love
a copy from whoever is doing the CD 4 thing.
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 04 Mar 1998 20:10:28 EST
Nothing has actually been contracted as of yet. It seems Francis keeps
playing "telephone tag" with Ivan's manager....things are rolling along,
though.
We will keep you up to date on any new developments.
Angie
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 04 Mar 1998 21:45:00 EST
I agree with you. I guess if there is a lot of people who wants to do their
version of MWH songs, that will kill the show.
That's why I was not too much excited about an opening act BUT a second
show??? WHY NOT, that could be terrific.!!
ciao
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Problem to sleep... Listen to the WINNEBAGO SONG!
Date: 04 Mar 1998 21:44:59 EST
Hey!
Did you listen the winnebago song ????
This is the perfect song with 2 aspirins just before going to sleep...
Ciao
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show.
Date: 04 Mar 1998 21:45:02 EST
This is not an easy one.
Like I told you before, IVan's manager is VERY busy with 2 others band in
montreal. I reached him last week, he told me that we have to set a meeting
and discuss about the show.
I'M READY!!!! HE'S NOT !!! ARGRGRGGGG
He called me back yesterday, I was out of town for work. Today, I left him 2
messages. He has my work phone, cellular and home.
DON`T WORRY, I WILL GET EVERYTHING TO MAKE THE BEST SHOW EVER HAPPEN IN THE
WORLD!!!!!
Ciao
Francis
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 04 Mar 1998 21:45:43 EST
In a message dated 98-03-04 21:45:00 EST, you write:
<< I agree with you. I guess if there is a lot of people who wants to do
their version of MWH songs, that will kill the show.
That's why I was not too much excited about an opening act BUT a second
show??? WHY NOT, that could be terrific.!!
>>
A second show? What are we talking about now?
Angie
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From: Nikolai81 <Nikolai81@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show.
Date: 04 Mar 1998 22:12:22 EST
In a message dated 98-03-04 21:47:18 EST, JDivito334@aol.com writes:
> DON`T WORRY, I WILL GET EVERYTHING TO MAKE THE BEST SHOW EVER HAPPEN IN THE
> WORLD!!!!!
WOO-HOO!!
--Nick
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) who's going to the Toronto concert?
Date: 05 Mar 1998 11:00:28 -0500
Hi all!
Just wondering, who's going to the Toronto Ivan performance? E-mail me if
you are. So far, I haven't been able to reach Ticketmaster to see how much
tickets cost and at what time the show starts. And the website said
absolutley nothing.
Pearl Jam was right.
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Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele
883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) who's going to the Toronto concert?
Date: 05 Mar 1998 12:50:02 -0500
Daniele Rossi a =E9crit:
>=20
> Just wondering, who's going to the Toronto Ivan performance? So far, I=
=20
> haven't been able to reach Ticketmaster to see how much
> tickets cost and at what time the show starts. And the website said
> absolutely nothing.
The website. Are you talking about the TOX website? If you are, look more
carefully, everything is there, all the dates, all the news...
Take care
Claude
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) Triangle Chapter of MWH Fan Club Meeting
Date: 05 Mar 1998 13:29:25 +0000
Hi Hatters!
The Research Triangle (NC) Chapter of the Men Without Hats Internet
Fan Club will be holding a luncheon meeting in the next week or so.
Any Hats fans in the area who would like to join us, please email me
and I will keep you apprised of the plans.
Per-Johan Josefsson from Sweden is here on a business trip, so PJ,
Trena, Andrew P, and I are hoping to all get together for lunch. It
will be very cool! We are all planning on wearing our MWH T-shirts.
CUL8R!
:-) Laura
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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <kajjia@xts.net>
Subject: (hats) Cover art
Date: 05 Mar 1998 13:29:59 -0800
I noticed the new cover art for the boot CDs. Since I don't have a decent
printer, would there be any way for me to get the new cover art for a few of
the CDs? Thanks much
Aaron Gitlin
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http://menwohats.home.ml.org
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 06 Mar 1998 03:28:05 -0500
jkriens a =E9crit:
>=20
> Hi, Hatters,
>=20
> The discussion that's been going on about the opening act for the Ivan
> fan club show has given me an idea. Here it is. Since there is a MWH
> covers CD being put together, and most of the people involved are going
> to be at the concert, why not have the various groups (or some subset o=
f
> them) do their Hats covers as the opening act.
I join my voice to those who have not been in favor of this. I think all =
the
energies on that night should be dedicated to make Ivan's performance wor=
k
(organisation, recording, taping, enjoying). But I think Francis idea of =
a
second show is brilliant! Most of you will be in Montreal for more than a=
day.
So we could have a private party (the day after), with a concert portion =
and,
why not, a mwh karaoke!
Take care
Claude
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) Opening act
Date: 06 Mar 1998 00:39:15 -0800
Hey hatters-
I have not been paying real attention to this opening act thing and how big
of an act we are thinking about, but how about Brian Ferry? Ivan has
stated that Roxy Music was one of his inspirations. I don't know, maybe
that's to big of an opening act. Also, sorry for those of you who have
been waiting for the Site Index to get revamped. It will be another couple
of weeks.
Later-
Eric
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From: John <OutBackMinistries@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (hats) Please put on mailing list
Date: 04 Mar 1998 17:12:04 -0500
Would like t-shirt info! Joel
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From: Donald Stroud <dstroud@arwen.Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: (hats) Info on "Winnebago Song"
Date: 05 Mar 1998 15:36:16 -0800 (PST)
I've listened to this several times now. It's very cool, but it sure
sounds different from other older MWH stuff.
Does anyone know the details behind this song? Where and when was it
recorded? Who's making all those weird "ha" and "hiya" sounds?
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1998: THE YEAR OF GODZILLA [May 20, 1998]
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: (hats) Need CD4 info
Date: 06 Mar 1998 13:09:48 -0500 (EST)
Hello,
Whoever is in charge of CD4 distribution, could you email me. Thanks.
Nathan
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From: "EXA Systems Inc." <exa@sympatico.ca>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's Private show --- UPDATE
Date: 06 Mar 1998 11:48:16 -0800
Hey gang. This is Francis (from the office)
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY ON THIS ACCOUNT, reply on JDIVITO334@AOL.COM
I finally spoke to Ivan's manager. I have a meeting with him. He is VERY
interested about the show.
thank you for all the request you sent me. I'll print them and give to
Ivan himself.
The show will be in JUNE, 1998 in Montreal, Canada.
Before I sign anything, I will put the contract public to everyone, so this
is a GROUP decision.
Ciao
Francis
P.s. if you want to write me, my E-mail is JDIVITO334@AOL.COM
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Info on "Winnebago Song"
Date: 06 Mar 1998 13:27:33 -0500
Donald Stroud a =E9crit:
>=20
> I've listened to this several times now. It's very cool, but it sure
> sounds different from other older MWH stuff.
>=20
> Does anyone know the details behind this song? Where and when was it
> recorded? Who's making all those weird "ha" and "hiya" sounds?
You will find answers to that in the History section of the Men Without H=
ats
FAQ site:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/history_mwh.html
Take care
Claude
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Subject: (hats) leaving
Date: 06 Mar 1998 11:57:31 -0500 (EST)
I'll be gone from Mar. 6 through Mar. 16.
My new e-mail address is Divisio@AOL.Com
later
Al, e-mail me today before 6 pm to let me know before I go if I
can stay.
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From: MAGENTA <magenta@trex.org>
Subject: (hats) re: ideas for opening act/ recording formats
Date: 06 Mar 1998 11:22:04 -0800 (PST)
Howdy Hatters!
re: ideas for opening act: i'd have to agree with angie...this would not be
one of the best things for all concerned, beingst we're going to have the
real McCoys anyhoo....perhaps we could plan something like that for the
actual `convention/gathering'...btw: any more info re: that matter?
re: recording the show...moose has the right idea...DAT would give longer
recording time, plus, if something is jostled accidently *as most of you
will be dancing if you want to;)* unlike a CD/CD-R, a DAT will not
skip...not that there would be a HUGE risk of this, but it is another valid
point/argument for DAT:)
still working on my fave albums list, i'll think of one eventually...
take care, hatters...i will be leaving somewhat earlier than expected on
sunday, so will be back home around 10-ish sun. eve.:)
ttys,
Charlotte
p.s.: re: checking TOX website for info....
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHHA!!!!!!!!!!!
*roflmfao*
BYE! ;)
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- PEOPLE
Date: 06 Mar 1998 18:41:07 EST
This message is very important.
I need to know the exact number of people who will attend the show.
Here is the list that I kept from last fall. Could you check if you name is
there and let me know for any correction.
Don Stroud One definitely (me)... possibly two
Chris Bever Txhoedown@aol.com 2 or 1
Dale Plant 2
Keith Walke 2
Laura 2
Treena 2
Christopher Edward Frey 2 or 1
Alain Robillard-Bastien 9
wolfgang 5
Chris Bever 1
Bob Webb 2
Greg Baerg 2
Brad Day 2
John Elzo 2
Steve Reid 2
Angela Tooley 3
Aaron Harewood 1
J.R. Bookwalter 3
(Myke) LORD HASENPFEFFER 2
Bradley N. Hull 2
Danielle Rossi 1
Chris Schumann 1
Matthew Glidden 2
Howard Abraham 2
Donald Stroud 2
Russ Chavez 2
Vince Silvaggio 5
RICK FULLER 4
Dave Mattingly 1
-John 1
Barley 2
Tom Norman 1
Bill Black 1
Simon 2
Dave Krupla 3
Avi Rosenthal 2
Adam J Weitzman 3
Jeff Harding 2
Richard Holdman 2
David Caldwell 1
David King 1
Stan Howe 2
Steve Jackson 2
Senz 2
Francis 9
fehnnik@rmii.com (Fehnnik Fox) 2
Gregory 2
Collin upfield cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu 3
107
Ciao
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 06 Mar 1998 18:41:03 EST
In a message dated 3/6/98 3:28:48AM, you write:
<< So we could have a private party (the day after), with a concert portion
and,
why not, a mwh karaoke!
>>
I have a big land, I have a swimming pool, I have a good sound system, I have
mic, I have keyboards, I have midi.,
A MEN WITHOUT HATS BEACH PARTY!!!!!!! YYYYYYYYEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
Ciao
Francis
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Info on "Winnebago Song"
Date: 06 Mar 1998 19:11:12 -0500 (EST)
Hello Hatters!,
Could someone please explain what the "winnebago" song is. I'm sorta out
of the loop. thanks.
Nathan
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: ideas for opening act/ recording formats
Date: 06 Mar 1998 19:13:33 -0500 (EST)
On the recording thing, DAT vs. CD... I have always found that one
recording is always risky. Why not record on both, and cassette, and VHS
HIFI, and yadda yadda yadda. Better to be safe than sorry.
Nathan
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From: MAGENTA <magenta@trex.org>
Subject: (hats) nathan/recording procedures/etc.
Date: 06 Mar 1998 17:32:46 -0800 (PST)
hihi:)
nathan;
re: your quite valid point re: not putting all our eggs in one basket (for
recording the concert)...i would have to agree with you:) i would also
concur that the recording/production wizards that be will most likely have
the foresight to have more than one source for recording this fete (either
another DAT, or possibly a CD-R), although i do not think that a standard
cassette recording will be acceptable for most of the users, due to inferior
sound quality (in comparision to our more modern recordable counterparts;)
a good point, noentheless, eh? ;)
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: BDay0000 <BDay0000@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 06 Mar 1998 21:43:21 EST
So, if the opening act thing doesn't come together, could we make a tape with
a contribution from each of our fave artists (other that MWH) for background
atmosphere at the show? I think that we all have something to share....
Brad Day
Atlanta, GA
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Info on "Winnebago Song"
Date: 07 Mar 1998 13:06:18 EST
In a message dated 3/6/98 7:14:20PM, you write:
<< Hello Hatters!,
Could someone please explain what the "winnebago" song is. I'm sorta out
of the loop. thanks.
Nathan >>
HEY Nathan
I guess Ivan felt asleep on his keyboard.
Ciao
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- TICKET
Date: 07 Mar 1998 20:14:12 EST
Hey hatters,
As we discussed last fall, the major part of the profit will go directly to
Ivan. When we started talking about this show, the price for ticket was about
100$ each.
We are talking now about 30 to 35$ MAXIMUM.
I hope this will answer some of your concern.
Ciao bambinos and bambinas!
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- MEETING
Date: 07 Mar 1998 20:16:35 EST
Hi again.
Just to let you know that I won't be alone to meet Ivan's manager. Vince
Sylvaggio from the list (I hope I spell the name correctly) will be with me.
Any questions, arrangement, suggestion you may have, you can leave a message
to myself or Vince.
Ciao
Francis
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: ideas for opening act/ recording formats
Date: 08 Mar 1998 11:49:32 +0100
>On the recording thing, DAT vs. CD... I have always found that one
>recording is always risky. Why not record on both, and cassette, and VHS
>HIFI, and yadda yadda yadda. Better to be safe than sorry.
>
>Nathan
2 or 3 DATs is the best option by far...
}:-)
Mike
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 11:49:33 +0100
>I have a big land, I have a swimming pool, I have a good sound system, I have
>mic, I have keyboards, I have midi.,
>
>A MEN WITHOUT HATS BEACH PARTY!!!!!!! YYYYYYYYEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
>
>Ciao
>
>Francis
I've booked my flight already - I'll even bring my MIDI system too...
}:-)
Mike
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From: TXhoedown <TXhoedown@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Survey
Date: 08 Mar 1998 09:59:22 EST
Top Five Albums:
(1) Men Without Hats: "Pop Goes the World" Brilliant concept album, all the
songs just belong. It is also a fun album to listen to, I love every song
except "On Tuesday", which I usually skip.
(2) Nine Inch Nails: "Pretty Hate Machine" The big daddy of modern industrial
music. Great lyrics, whole album is about sex. If you have ever been screwed
over in a relationship, this album is for you.
(3) The Cult: "Electric" Classic Rock in a modern rock sound. Best song on
the album is King Contrary Man, all songs rock, even Born to Be Wild cover.
(4) Idaho: "Three Sheets to the Wind" As the review says, keep your
depressed friends away from this album. Great chill out music. In fact,
almost all Idaho music is chill out music.
(5) Beastie Boys: "Paul's Boutique" "The music washes over and you're one
with the sound..." enough said.
Honorable mention: Jump Little Children "Buzz", The Sisters of Mercy
"Floodland", Inxs, "The Swing, Erasure, "The Innocents", NWA "Straight Outta
Compton", Sarah McLachlan "Fumbling Toward Ectascy", Ministry "Twitch", Cactus
World News "Urban Beaches"
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From: X <arggg@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Idea for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 10:44:58 -0500 (EST)
> Comments?>>
>
> I have a comment. It sounds like a good idea, but wouldn't it be a little
>tacky to open the show with the same songs Ivan is going to play for us? It's
>pretty non-traditional to open a concert with your own rendition of the
>concert act's music.
>I love the idea of the fan compilation CD, but I think that project should be
>separate and alone from the private concert.
>Any other comments?
>Angie
I would have to agree- keep the compilation seperate
Wolfgang
Wolfgang
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From: X <arggg@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: ideas for opening act/ recording formats
Date: 08 Mar 1998 10:44:59 -0500 (EST)
>>On the recording thing, DAT vs. CD... I have always found that one
>>recording is always risky. Why not record on both, and cassette, and VHS
>>HIFI, and yadda yadda yadda. Better to be safe than sorry.
>>
>>Nathan
>2 or 3 DATs is the best option by far...
>
>}:-)
>Mike
Wolfgang writes-
From one studio guy to another- MIKE Rules !
I think the hats list should take all technical advice/ feedback from him ...
question to mike--- are you coming to the show? - email me direct
wolfgang
;)
Wolfgang
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 15:58:18 EST
Hi, everyone...we're all still tossing around the idea of an opening act. I
would like to know what you guys think of a really short (5 to 7 song) opening
act, which is free, of course, and very professional, presenting 5 or 7
acoustic versions of songs that have greatly influenced Ivan and the
development of MWH music from the beginning. It would be fun, respectful,
informative and tasteful, and of course, short so as not to be overbearing.
My brother and I have offered to take our equipment there and do this before
the feature act. I have played on stage a number of times, working in duos
and fronting a band. My brother just finished a tour of France and Holland
with his acoustic duo and is now planning on touring the college circuit in
the Northeast US.
With this arrangement, we would not have to pay a DJ, we would have a live
band opening up so it will look professional and not tacky, the selections
will be carefully chosen for their influential status and entertainment value,
and the whole idea of an opening act will be taken care of. Comments?
Also I would like to say I have not authorized or suggested the inclusion of
Vince Silvaggio in the private concert contract negotiations. I have not been
notified of the place or time of these negotiations and have thus effectively,
and unfairly, been blocked out of them. Vince appears on the list once in a
while with a suggestion or comment, but as I have been the originator of this
whole concept of a private show, I find it unsettling that I am not being
allowed to attend these negotiations. I guess you will have to rely on
Francis to give you all the information that arises from these meetings. I
want to be a fair representative of the desires of the members of the list as
a whole, but obviously you will have to rely solely on Francis for that role
in the contract-signing.
Anyway...
Please voice your opinion on an opening act *before* the contract is written
with a clause to block out any opening act at all!!! If you want one, we will
give it to you but you have to let us know if you want one at all.
thanks
Angie
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From: Nikolai81 <Nikolai81@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) re: ideas for opening act/ recording formats
Date: 08 Mar 1998 16:26:37 EST
In a message dated 98-03-06 14:24:30 EST, magenta@trex.org writes:
> re: recording the show...moose has the right idea...DAT would give longer
> recording time, plus, if something is jostled accidently *as most of you
> will be dancing if you want to;)* unlike a CD/CD-R, a DAT will not
> skip...not that there would be a HUGE risk of this, but it is another valid
> point/argument for DAT:)
That's what I meant. That's why I leave the decisions up to the professionals
;)
--Nick
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 21:58:24 +0100
>
>Angie
you have my vote...
}:-)
Mike
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Private show
Date: 08 Mar 1998 22:52:13 EST
In a message dated 3/8/98 4:01:11PM, you write:
<< Also I would like to say I have not authorized or suggested the inclusion
of
Vince Silvaggio in the private concert contract negotiations. I have not
been
notified of the place or time of these negotiations and have thus
effectively,
and unfairly, been blocked out of them. Vince appears on the list once in a
while with a suggestion or comment, but as I have been the originator of this
whole concept of a private show, I find it unsettling that I am not being
allowed to attend these negotiations. >>
Haaaa!!! Come on Angie. YOU did not authorized or suggested Vince??? This
is OUR show to ALL the people. Are you Ivan's manager??? Why do we have to
ask you before we take some actions. WE decided to get a private show, I don't
want to be the only one here to take care of everything. I need help from
Vince, Claude, etc. I think Vince is a very good guy.
Please, I don't want to start a war, it supposed to be something to remember,
something amazing. Don't worry Angie, If I choosed Vince to come with me,
It's only because he is more bilingual than me to speak English with the
other guy for Ivan's tour.
Thank you for understanding!
Ciao
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 22:52:15 EST
In a message dated 3/8/98 4:01:11PM, you write:
<< but as I have been the originator of this
whole concept of a private show, I find it unsettling that I am not being
allowed to attend these negotiations >>
YES IT IS YOUR IDEA. But It was only discussions. I just put the acts
together!
We are all equal in this show
Ciao
Francis
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) who's going to the Toronto concert?
Date: 09 Mar 1998 01:47:25 EST
In a message dated 98-03-05 12:53:42 EST, gigarpus@videotron.ca writes:
>
>
> Daniele Rossi a Θcrit:
> >
> > Just wondering, who's going to the Toronto Ivan performance? So far, I
> > haven't been able to reach Ticketmaster to see how much
> > tickets cost and at what time the show starts. And the website said
> > absolutely nothing.
>
> The website. Are you talking about the TOX website? If you are, look more
> carefully, everything is there, all the dates, all the news...
>
> Take care
>
> Claude
*roflmfao*
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 09 Mar 1998 02:11:46 EST
In a message dated 98-03-08 16:01:11 EST, ADTooley@aol.com writes:
>
> Also I would like to say I have not authorized or suggested the inclusion
of
> Vince Silvaggio in the private concert contract negotiations. I have not
> been
> notified of the place or time of these negotiations and have thus
> effectively,
> and unfairly, been blocked out of them. Vince appears on the list once in a
> while with a suggestion or comment, but as I have been the originator of
> this
> whole concept of a private show, I find it unsettling that I am not being
> allowed to attend these negotiations. I guess you will have to rely on
> Francis to give you all the information that arises from these meetings. I
> want to be a fair representative of the desires of the members of the list
> as
> a whole, but obviously you will have to rely solely on Francis for that
role
> in the contract-signing.
> Anyway...
> Please voice your opinion on an opening act *before* the contract is
written
> with a clause to block out any opening act at all!!! If you want one, we
> will
> give it to you but you have to let us know if you want one at all.
>
> thanks
>
> Angie
>
Hey Angie? have you tried to contact Ivan's manager as well...perhaps arrange
to have the contract *live* meeting tied in with a live/phone conference, and
make arrangements with him to notify you when/where the meeting is to take
place, and to give you an oppoturnity to be present courtesy of Ma Bell? this
way, you can at least be there in voice, if not in body;)
it's as simple as setting up the time, and make sure they have access to a
room with a damn good speakerphone......other aspects of business do this all
the time...give it a shot, hon;)
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: dolphind@interlog.com
Subject: (hats) award shows
Date: 09 Mar 1998 10:11:53 -0800
It seems that Ivan lost out to Holly McNarland as best new solo artist
in the first ever Canadian Radio Music Awards that were held on Saturday
here in Toronto (a private luncheon hosted by Jann Arden).
The Juno awards are being held in Vancouver (Jason Priestly hosts) on
Sunday, March 22nd, Good Luck Ivan! Did anyone go see Ivan at The
Guvernment here in Toronto on Friday Night? He was supposed to come on at
10:45 pm, it was part of the Canadian Music Week Showcases, this one was
titled "Dance Music Showcase". I figured the set would pretty much be the
same as the one he did when opening for Duran Duran so I didn't make it down.
Best of luck at the Juno's Ivan.
Kirk
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) award shows
Date: 09 Mar 1998 10:23:44 -0500
> It seems that Ivan lost out to Holly McNarland as best new solo
artist
> in the first ever Canadian Radio Music Awards that were held on Saturday
> here in Toronto (a private luncheon hosted by Jann Arden).
> The Juno awards are being held in Vancouver (Jason Priestly hosts) on
> Sunday, March 22nd, Good Luck Ivan! Did anyone go see Ivan at The
> Guvernment here in Toronto on Friday Night? He was supposed to come on at
> 10:45 pm, it was part of the Canadian Music Week Showcases, this one was
> titled "Dance Music Showcase". I figured the set would pretty much be the
> same as the one he did when opening for Duran Duran so I didn't make it
down.
> Best of luck at the Juno's Ivan.
>
> Kirk
I actually heard that is was worse in some ways.
Friday night, Ivan just had a DAT machine, that was it.
So it was IVan's vocals with background music basically.
Speaking of which,
I have something to throw up in the air with all of you.
Would anyone be interested in a CD#8 - Ivan live at Lee's Palace 1997
The reason I am asking is this is an audience recording so it sounds poor.
But on the other hand, it is the complete show and beautiful artwork to
boot.
A couple of our listmembers (who will remain anonymous for now) recorded
this for all of us. I have mastered it onto CD for them. The only
question is :
What do we do with it? It doesn't sound good, but it is a good thing to
have, just to see what an IVAN concert sounds like.
It is better than the Duran Duran recording cause it is a full 9 tracks.
It may be best to make cassette copies of this only, but this is why I am
throwing this up in the air for all of you to think about.
Any opinions?
By the way,
Richard Holdman, I will have CDs #6 and #7 to you by next month. :-)
Tom
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Remix fantasies
Date: 09 Mar 1998 14:21:53 -0500
Well, so far noone has mentioned the recent Toronto show. I assume no one
went? At the last minute, I wasn't able to go :( Oh well, I'm looking
forward to Montreal! A perfect way to start off a summer!
On another note, sometimes I think up how some songs can be remixed. How do
you think some MWH/Ivan songs can be remixed?
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From: Dave Mattingly <dmattingly@platsoft.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) ideas for opening act
Date: 08 Mar 1998 14:51:09 -0800
Angie says:
>I would like to know what you guys think of a really short opening
>act, presenting 5 or 7 acoustic versions of songs that have greatly
>influenced Ivan and MWH
It sounds great to me. I like acoustic music -- the Proclaimers, Ed's
Redeeming Qualities, etc. -- and being able to pay homage to MWH's roots
sounds like a great way to get the show going. Brian Ferry's "Don't Stop
the Dance" and T-Rex's "Get It On" would be great openers.
And it is, after all, Angie. She's the one who suggested the private
concert anyway, so I think if we went with any of the fan-bands, it
should be hers.
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From: Vince Silvaggio <vsilvaggio@microimm.mcgill.ca>
Subject: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 09 Mar 1998 19:39:03 -0500
Hey, Fellow Hatters. Just got back home from a meeting with Dave Byrne
(Ivan's concert promoter) and Francis. I must say it was a wonderful
experience, and that I did not make any decisions on anyone's behalf. I
was there because my good friend Francis asked me, and he asked me because
he felt he needed some moral support. If it's any consolation to Anyone
out there, he did a splendid job, and he didn't really need me there. A
lot of stuff was discussed, and Francis will fill you in on all the
details. Needless to say, I am not 'authorized' to give you details. One
day, I hope to be 'authorized'.
Finally, some credos you can live by (for Anyone who might be reading this):
* Put your money where your mouth is. Actions speak louder than words.
It's not what you suggest, it's what you DO. (Francis is DOING, and the
reason he's doing is not for money, nor glory...it's simply to get us all
together and enjoy the band we love the most.)
* It's not how many times you write to this list that makes you a big MWH
fan. It's what you feel inside. It's what you do behind the scenes. Some
people like to remain anonymous, others don't.
Later,
Vince
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From: TXhoedown <TXhoedown@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 09 Mar 1998 19:40:23 EST
I hope now that the concert is seemingly set, the tedious verbal sparring can
stop. The "Anyone" comments should have been sent to "Anyone", not the entire
list.
BTW, just got my CD#4 today, and I have to say I am wondering what all the
hype with the Winnebago song is/was. If you really dig this song, please tell
me why, I would be interested to hear Your opinions.
Txhoedown@aol.com
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 09 Mar 1998 19:52:08 EST
I am very pleased to learn of the efforts put forth by both Francis, and Vince
(authorized or not). I would like to hear the details of what is developing
regarding our show!!! Give everyone all the details, guys, please!!!
I am still openly upset because I was not informed at all of the time or
place of the meeting, who was scheduled to attend, what was to be discussed,
or anything. Not even a courtesy message. I felt that was a cruel and
undeserved injustice. However, I am pleased that the ball is rolling, and
we'll all see what happens from here!
Angie
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 09 Mar 1998 19:56:36 EST
In a message dated 98-03-09 19:34:43 EST, you write:
<< * Put your money where your mouth is. Actions speak louder than words.
It's not what you suggest, it's what you DO. (Francis is DOING, and the
reason he's doing is not for money, nor glory...it's simply to get us all
together and enjoy the band we love the most.)
>>
How many times have I offered to help with this project --- to travel to
Montreal and help make the arrangements? It's hard to DO when nobody gives me
any details!
Be fair, Vince.
Angie
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 09 Mar 1998 20:02:09 -0500
TXhoedown a =E9crit:
>=20
> BTW, just got my CD#4 today, and I have to say I am wondering what all =
the
> hype with the Winnebago song is/was. If you really dig this song, plea=
se tell
> me why, I would be interested to hear Your opinions.
I don't think anybody seriously "dig" the Winnebago Song. This piece is
essentially a post gig jam, never intended to be released. For me it has =
some
historic value, that's all.
"...The Winnebago Song is a song recorded live in the back of a Winnebago=
by
Allan McCarthy, Paul Lepage, and Stefan Doroschuk after a concert in Janu=
ary
of 1983..."
(taken from the Men Without Hats FAQ site http://www.geocities.com/Sunset=
Strip/Venue/3136/history_mwh.html)
Take care
Claude
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 09 Mar 1998 21:13:40 EST
I'm not sure if my message went through, so just in case, I am sending it
again.
-------------------------
Hey hatters.
My feeling is VERY GOOD.
------------------
First of all, I don't want to offend anybody because I'm organizing this show.
I'm talking to Tox Records in behalf of ALL OF YOU, I told the guy twice. I
told him it was an idea from Angie, and I just put everythings together to get
this show going. I'm considered as the representative of this special show.
If someone is agains't that, PLEASE let me know, I don't like people who are
not honnest.
Second of all, I know that my English is not very good, but FEEL FREE to bug
me with thousands of questions if I'm not clear.
I don't want to hear any bad comments about Angie, Vince or me for the rest of
the year. If you don't want me to organize this show, PLEASE tell me and I
will quit RIGHT AWAY! I don't have time to loose. I have a daughter who has
problems with her eyes, and another one who is going on surgery in a few days.
Peace to everyone of you.
-----------------------
======================
THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
======================
I received a call today from Dave Byrne, he's the one who take care of Ivan's
tour all accross Canada. He told me "meet me at 5:30, I'm very busy the rest
of the week"
So we started the conversation by telling him that this show is MADE FOR FAN
ONLY. Mr. Byrne confirmed us that it will be a PRIVATE SHOW. He was
surprise when I told him "we don't want to make profit of it". Normally,
people asks for a percentage. I swear on my children's head, this is not my
case. I told him that every profits has to go to Ivan directly (and brothers
if it's the case). We talked the possibilities to get Ivan, Stefan, Collin
and the Spice girls. He told me to forget about the Spice girls.... OK OK
just kidding. He told me he's gonna ask Ivan directly. May be it will cost
more but HOW MUCH!?!? I don't know, I will know later this week.
We also talked about getting this show on tape. For the one who will attend
the show but also for you who can't come. That is more difficult, but I'm
gonna push very hard. I told him about the bootlegs (without naming any
names). So, due to this special situation, he has to ask again Ivan's
directly.
THE DATE, probably Saturday June 27th, not before. it could be later if
you prefer. This date is perfect for the people who are coming to Montreal,
This is the Jazz festival, there is A LOT OF THINGS to do at this time of the
year!!!!
Also, he needs a deposit of 3,500$. I'll have to use my economy for that, I
COUNT ON YOU, don't let me down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have to decide the place (somewhere very cosy with tables, beer, and very
descent). Somewhere cheap, but respectable. Claude, if you have any
suggestions, Leave me a message.
We will have posters and T-shirts available (to people who want to buy them).
Ivan will be available for chating and autograph after the show.
Finally, I will get all the answers later this week.
===========
CONCLUSION
===========
In case I repeat myself, this show is MADE FOR FAN. It has to be SOMETHING TO
REMEMBER, I don't want anymore pressure from anyone who is not happy.
Please, I'm working hard to get this show going.
Y O U W O N ' T B E D I S A P O I N T E D,,,,,,,,, I PROMISE!!!!!!
Ciao!!!!
Francis
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) CD #8
Date: 09 Mar 1998 22:41:27 -0500 (EST)
Tom, I replied directly but the message bounced back to me for some reason.
I've been writing to the person who taped the Ivan and Duran Duran shows
and have already told him that I'm definitely interested in having a copy
of the Ivan show regardless of its quality or lack thereof.
Especially if it's now on CD. Send one my way pleases!
OOPS/ * bad text editor! * <slap> <slap> Send one my way please!
I also received CD #4 today! Superb cover art, Richard! Great remix,
Mike - even though I'm tired of hearing "Moonbeam" remixed 100 different
ways, I made certain not to let that interfere with my concentration
on your effort and techniques.
As for the concert itself, I found it to be a bit lacking in depth
and "punch" compared to the other two concerts I've grown accustomed
to hearing again and again. Still it's great to have "Mothers Opinion"
done live. What was the original air date of that particular broadcast?
As for "Winnebago Song", I like it. It does go on and on and on but it's
also a lot like a (much shorter) song I recorded with my friend, Paul,
back in '85 when we were operating as "Pollen Mic". That song is called
"Wrought Iron Two-Litre Bottle" and will be included in the first and
final official release of the best material we created back then as soon
as Paul can find the time away from his day-job to assemble the master CD.
If I were to use "Winnebago Song" as incidental music to accompany a
homemade silent video, whose permission should I seek? Or does it even
matter as long as I give proper credit to its "composers" at the end
just to be proper and nice?
Myke
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Le party de Ivan
Date: 09 Mar 1998 23:12:25 EST
We have to write in French sometime..... Can you understand???
Salut la gang de chapeaux!
On devrait =E9crire en fran=E7ais quelques fois, ca ferait changement. J=
uste pour=0Afaire sacr=E9 les Am=E9ricains, hehehe.
Alors Claude, que penses-tu du Cabaret "juste pour rire" ??? Il y a beauc=
oup=0Ade spectacles la bas de groupe alternatifs. Une belle petite salle=
pour 225=0Apersonnes.
Salut =E0 tous!
Francis (la morue qui voltige de Laval)=0A
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From: wiggz <wiggz@aegypta.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (hats) CDs
Date: 10 Mar 1998 11:00:44 GMT
Can someone send me details as to where I can get ( and whats on ) the
MWH CDs ( the unofficial ones ,that are circulating about.
Many thanx ,
Seizure,
WIGGZ.
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD #8
Date: 10 Mar 1998 06:45:16 -0500
> I've been writing to the person who taped the Ivan and Duran Duran shows
> and have already told him that I'm definitely interested in having a copy
> of the Ivan show regardless of its quality or lack thereof.
> Especially if it's now on CD. Send one my way pleases!
> OOPS/ * bad text editor! * <slap> <slap> Send one my way please!
No! This is not even the same concert. The Duran Duran show was only
like 5 songs. This is an IVAN show -- 9 songs!
> I also received CD #4 today! Superb cover art, Richard! Great remix,
> Mike - even though I'm tired of hearing "Moonbeam" remixed 100 different
> ways, I made certain not to let that interfere with my concentration
> on your effort and techniques.
>
> As for the concert itself, I found it to be a bit lacking in depth
> and "punch" compared to the other two concerts I've grown accustomed
> to hearing again and again. Still it's great to have "Mothers Opinion"
> done live. What was the original air date of that particular broadcast?
It is during the 1984 , Where Do The Boys Go Tour.
>
> As for "Winnebago Song", I like it. It does go on and on and on but it's
> also a lot like a (much shorter) song I recorded with my friend, Paul,
> back in '85 when we were operating as "Pollen Mic". That song is called
> "Wrought Iron Two-Litre Bottle" and will be included in the first and
> final official release of the best material we created back then as soon
> as Paul can find the time away from his day-job to assemble the master
CD.
>
> If I were to use "Winnebago Song" as incidental music to accompany a
> homemade silent video, whose permission should I seek? Or does it even
> matter as long as I give proper credit to its "composers" at the end
> just to be proper and nice?
>
> Myke
Actually,
CDs #6 and #7 are from the same exact 1984 Tour. In fact, I think the BBC
album is the last 6 songs of the songlist.
Tom
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Show On Tape
Date: 10 Mar 1998 09:40:36 -0500 (EST)
Tom, as I understand it, the person who taped Duran Duran also taped
the Ivan performance before it. Are we now talking about two different
Ivan concert tapes from the current "tour" or just one?
Re: the original air date of the BBC show
I understand that it is from the 1984 tour, but when was the thing
actually aired as part of the BBC Rock Hour? Whoever has the actual
LP should have that info. It's usually printed on the label.
Also, whose permission should I seek to use "Winnebago Song" as the
background music for a homemade, otherwise silent video? Nobody's?
I would certainly give credit where credit is due but since itwas never
intended for release, is any permission necessary?
Myke
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 10 Mar 1998 10:37:12 -0500 (EST)
Fellow Hatters,
I sense mass amounts of Frustration being tossed back and forth between
certain parties. I have to say, it is discouraging to me to see this. We
are all fans of the greatest band to ever be... and that puts us in a
class of people that is extroidinary. Let's rise above all this who did
and did not do stuff, and let's all just get ready for an superb show.
There, I put in my 2cents worth. Anyone else care to comment.
Hoping that we all can just get along,
Nathan
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: (les chapeaux) Le party de Ivan
Date: 10 Mar 1998 12:02:34 -0500
>We have to write in French sometime..... Can you understand???
>------------------------------------------
It's a good thing I took French in high school and first year University.
>Salut la gang de chapeaux!
>
>On devrait =E9crire en fran=E7ais quelques fois, ca ferait changement. =
Juste pour
> faire sacr=E9 les Am=E9ricains, hehehe.
Unfortunatley, I forgot most of it.
>Alors Claude, que penses-tu du Cabaret "juste pour rire" ??? Il y a=
beaucoup
> de spectacles la bas de groupe alternatifs. Une belle petite salle pour=
225
> personnes.
Hm...something about a venue Francis found that can fit this group nicely.
Either that or he's asking claude if he bought tickets to the "Just For
Laughs" festival :) I'm kidding of course.
As for the pre-music for Ivan's show....how about playing ABBA? Abba is one
of his influences (have you heard "The Spell" lately??).
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: (hats) Private show/UPDATE
Date: 10 Mar 1998 00:38:33 -0600
I don't know about you guys, but if Francis needs cash now for the deposit,
I'm in for at least a hundo, we only need thirty five others and we're set.
Just a thought, so Francis, if you need it, let us know. Thoughts anyone???
Anyone else want to help get the ball rolling??
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
Also, he needs a deposit of 3,500$. I'll have to use my economy for
that, I
COUNT ON YOU, don't let me down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Francis
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Le party de Ivan
Date: 10 Mar 1998 00:40:48 -0600
I understand the the French language is tearing that province apart. Hello,
52 state!!!!
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
We have to write in French sometime..... Can you understand???
Francis
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 10 Mar 1998 09:54:49 -0600
Maybe the opening act could be a cat fight. You know, plenty of petty
scuffling and ego hurting, mixed in with come catty, girlie, commentary, and
some hair-pulling and pinching to go along. Cain't we all just get along?
>I sense mass amounts of Frustration being tossed back and forth between
>certain parties. I have to say, it is discouraging to me to see this. We
>are all fans of the greatest band to ever be... and that puts us in a
>class of people that is extroidinary. Let's rise above all this who did
>and did not do stuff, and let's all just get ready for an superb show.
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Les chapeaux
Date: 10 Mar 1998 12:23:18 -0500
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Well, good translation! It is about a venue who was really related to the
Just for laughs festival -a museum in fact-, where a lot af alternative
music shows take place now. It is a very clean, very suitable place,
downtown Montreal, near all the main attractions including the Jazz Fest.
really like that solution!
Al.
> ----------
> >From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
> >To: hats@xmission.com
> >Subject: (hats) Re: (les chapeaux) Le party de Ivan
> >Date: Mard 10 mars 1998 12:02 PM
> >
>
> >
> >>We have to write in French sometime..... Can you understand???
> >>------------------------------------------
> >
> >It's a good thing I took French in high school and first year University.
> >
> >
> >>Salut la gang de chapeaux!
> >>
> >>On devrait =E9crire en fran=E7ais quelques fois, ca ferait changement.
Juste
> pour
> >> faire sacr=E9 les Am=E9ricains, hehehe.
> >
> >Unfortunatley, I forgot most of it.
> >
> >
> >>Alors Claude, que penses-tu du Cabaret "juste pour rire" ??? Il y a
> beaucoup
> >> de spectacles la bas de groupe alternatifs. Une belle petite salle
pour
> 225
> >> personnes.
> >
> >Hm...something about a venue Francis found that can fit this group
nicely.
> >Either that or he's asking claude if he bought tickets to the "Just For
> >Laughs" festival :) I'm kidding of course.
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really like that solution!<BR>
<BR>
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From: Chris Schumann <whizkid@dwave.net>
Subject: (hats) The upcoming event. What else?
Date: 10 Mar 1998 11:51:07 -0600 (CST)
Writing as someone who is primarily a lurker on this list, I, for one, am
very grateful to Francis, Angie and all the others who are making the Ivan
Concert for Fans a real event. I look forward to that trip.
I am sorry to read of the hurt feelings, though. They are best avoided by
clear and frequent communication. Also, it's best to clear them up off the
list.
I also want to thank Laura for her work on the shirts and all the folks
who made the fan CD's. (Even though I have only discs 1-3 so far.) From
experience, I know what kind of effort goes into something like that.
I hope I speak for a large portion of those of us who read the list and
lurk and who take comfort in knowing that there are other fans out there
like us who keep this piece of our culture alive.
Chris Schumann <whizkid@dwave.net>
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From: fspin@HRZ.Uni-Bielefeld.DE
Subject: (hats) BBC rock hour #442
Date: 10 Mar 1998 20:35:02 +0100 (MET)
>I understand that it is from the 1984 tour, but when was the thing
>actually aired as part of the BBC Rock Hour? Whoever has the actual
>LP should have that info. It's usually printed on the label.
I have a copy of the (original) vinyl release. Its catalogue no. is BBC
ROCK HOUR #442 and it has A FLOCK OF SAEGULLS on the other side (nice
concert by the way). The accompanying sheet says:
LW(London Wavelength)'s Broadcast Week Of October 16, 1983
Just a typo or was there some time-travel involved when the concert was
recorded during the 1984 tour?
Cheers,
Frank M. Spinath
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From: Per-Johan Josefsson <euspjj@rtp.ericsson.se>
Subject: Re: (hats) BBC rock hour #442
Date: 10 Mar 1998 15:08:46 -0500
> I have a copy of the (original) vinyl release. Its catalogue no. is BBC
> ROCK HOUR #442 and it has A FLOCK OF SAEGULLS on the other side (nice
> concert by the way). The accompanying sheet says:
Anyone have the track listing for this record including the
A FLOCK OF SAEGULLS part?
Are the tracklistings of the fanclub (this list) CDs available in some
of the MWH discographies? I cant find any.
PJ.
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Byrne meeting
Date: 10 Mar 1998 17:19:59 EST
In a message dated 98-03-10 12:18:19 EST, rush3@email.msn.com writes:
>
> Maybe the opening act could be a cat fight. You know, plenty of petty
> scuffling and ego hurting, mixed in with come catty, girlie, commentary,
and
> some hair-pulling and pinching to go along. Cain't we all just get along?
>
> >I sense mass amounts of Frustration being tossed back and forth between
> >certain parties. I have to say, it is discouraging to me to see this. We
> >are all fans of the greatest band to ever be... and that puts us in a
> >class of people that is extroidinary. Let's rise above all this who did
> >and did not do stuff, and let's all just get ready for an superb show.
>
>
i got one better, Rush...kickboxing!
*evil grin*
also cordially,
Charlotte
p.s.: i could always resubmit excerpts from 'This L'il Indian', again!
;)
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From: "Angela Tooley" <adtooley@hotmail.com>
Subject: (hats) The Show
Date: 10 Mar 1998 13:46:34 PST
Hi, just in case you guys were not aware, the possibility of an opening
act is no longer a possibility. I, for one, am a little disappointed.
But Francis explained to me that Ivan's tour manager said an opening act
would "ruin the show" or something like that. I'll get the exact quote
later. He said Ivan never has an opening act. (Which makes sense
because Ivan often *is* opening act.) But at our show, he will be
Headlining of course, and if we can get the rest of the brothers, it
will be a full-fledged Men Without Hats concert!!!
I'm really glad things are coming together and the dream is becoming a
reality! The thing *I* want is to meet all of you in person finally!
Angie :-)
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From: Brad Hull <bhull@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: (hats) Deposit for Private Show
Date: 10 Mar 1998 19:14:34 -0500
First of all - thank you to Francis, Angie, Vince, .... anyone and everyone
who has had anything to do with the private show in any way shape or form!!
Second - You can count me in for $100+ to help get the deposit together for
the show.
This is going to be AMAZING!!! I can't wait.....
C'mon everyone...let's make sure IVAN and his manager know we're willing to
put our money where our mouths are, and get the financial support for this
(and Francis so he doesn't need to empty his bank account!) well in advance.
Brad
Brad Hull
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From: Vince Silvaggio <vsilvaggio@microimm.mcgill.ca>
Subject: (hats) Meeting recollections
Date: 10 Mar 1998 19:28:37 -0500
Hey, fellow Hatters. Now that Francis wrote in with the details of the
meeting, here is what I recall:
*As Angie has already alluded to, Dave Byrne did not like the idea of an
opening act. He said it was too risky for Ivan to have to follow a
'potentially amateurish opening'. Of all the ideas Francis gave him, he
was the most adamant about this one. Sorry folks.
*Dave Byrne (rightfully) viewed the concert as a 'musical book signing',
which is to say because of the special and rare circumstances of the
concert, it would have to be a must to get Ivan (and possibly brothers) to
mingle with us (and sign a carload of stuff!). Does anybody out there mind
this??
*My sense is that the videotape/CD idea might be a tough sell. However,
something tells me we'll be able to videotape only.
*The brothers' participation: Dave Byrne said that he will try to pitch
this to Ivan. In the very least, he suggested that the brothers show up
simply to mingle with us.
*Venue: It's really our choice, unless Ivan and company don't particularly
like a certain venue for sound reasons (no pun intended).
*Francis made it crystal clear that we were not there to make money, but to
organize a very special event in honour of MWH and, of course, Ivan. The
fact that list-members would finally get to meet each other makes this
concert all that much more exciting and special. Dave Byrne acknowledged
this sentiment.
*Money issues: Francis has already discussed this with you. It's now
important to keep the promises we made a few months ago.
*David Byrne liked the whole idea, and found everything 'kosher'. He
described it as very good for Ivan and his career. (You know, something
they can put on a bio and such.) Publicity-wise, Dave Byrne did not wish
to lump this special show with the regular tour. As such, there will be
little publicity as far as attracting Ivan's other fans are concerned. He
wants the show to remain a private affair. This does not mean that there
absolutely will not be publicity during the show (for articles and such).
*Shirts will most probable be sold, but Dave Byrne does not want to
commercialize the whole affair. The sale of shirts will be more discreet
than at usual concert affairs.
That's all I can remember for now. If you have any questions, don't
hesitate to contact Francis and/or Angie and they'll be more than happy to
answer.
Burying the hatchet for good,
Vince
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 10 Mar 1998 19:46:33 -0500
Happy birthday to Ian Ingham from all his fellow hatters!
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) October 16, 1983
Date: 10 Mar 1998 14:46:45 -0500 (EST)
Whoa!
Thanks Frank! That puts this whole deal in a new light.
Are we really sure that it's from the '84 tour now?
Do you find any other clues as to whether or not it could have
been a typo? 1983 actually would have been much more appropriate
for A Flock Of Seagulls and Men Without Hats both than 1984.
Myke
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Booking your trips
Date: 10 Mar 1998 21:30:20 EST
Hi, I just want everybody to know a few things before you all run to your
travel agents.
First of all, no contract has been signed yet, so wait until one is. From
what we have learned, it appears that some of the suggestions for the show
have to clear Ivan's desk with the seal of approval, then a contract will be
drawn up. I have instructed Francis to e-mail the list with the contract
terms. If you want it word-for-word, we can do that. I asked him to do that
for me, anyway. Francis will sign it as the representative of the Hats list
when it clears everyone's approval.
Second, since the concert will take place on the weekend of Montreal's annual
Jazz Festival, you will need to book your rooms as far in advance as you
possibly can. I suggest going to AAA or CAA and asking for the free travel
book for Quebec, where the local lodgings and their prices are listed. You
can contact the Montreal Department of Tourism also, if you have not already
done so.
I have asked my friend Al to write a brief message to the list describing the
Jazz Festival for those of you who are not familiar with it. With that going
on, PLUS our private show, it will make for a really memorable weekend!!!
OK, more news and info when it becomes available!
Angie
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) Booking trips
Date: 10 Mar 1998 20:09:03 -0800
Hatters-
---Booking trips to Montreal---
Most of you probably already know about the on-line booking of flights,
hotels, etc. The two ones I have used are Expedia and Travelocity. Both
use the same system (Sabre) that travel agents use and work great. I
personally use Travelocity whenever possible because Expedia is powered by
Microsoft and god know they already have enough $$$. I suggest checking
them out for your Montreal plans.
-Eric
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 10 Mar 1998 23:10:53 EST
In a message dated 98-03-10 18:32:39 EST, adtooley@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Hi, just in case you guys were not aware, the possibility of an opening
> act is no longer a possibility. I, for one, am a little disappointed.
> But Francis explained to me that Ivan's tour manager said an opening act
> would "ruin the show" or something like that. I'll get the exact quote
> later. He said Ivan never has an opening act. (Which makes sense
> because Ivan often *is* opening act.) But at our show, he will be
> Headlining of course, and if we can get the rest of the brothers, it
> will be a full-fledged Men Without Hats concert!!!
> I'm really glad things are coming together and the dream is becoming a
> reality! The thing *I* want is to meet all of you in person finally!
> Angie :-)
>
I for one am going to be there with bells on, hon!
;)
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- No news,,....good news.
Date: 10 Mar 1998 23:57:52 EST
Hey gang!
No news yet, no messages on my vocal mailbox.
Angie was talking about a contract. There is no "official" contract. Only
for the deposit. As soon as I know the exact amount, I'm gonna tell you. I
have to find the place, (not expensive), to get my answer, etc. After that,
I will write a public message with all the expense and the final amount per
people.
Before you do anything, wait the final confirmation from me. Right now, the
ball is in Ivan's side.
I hope to have any news before friday.
In the meantime, should you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Francis
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Meeting recollections
Date: 10 Mar 1998 19:36:51 -0600
Just as long as it isn't in Angie's brain. Thank you, for the most
comprehensive update yet, and thanks for your effort. As far as the CD
goes, the gods have smiled on this before, don't rule anything out yet...
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
Burying the hatchet for good,
Vince
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From: <pleh@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 10 Mar 1998 22:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Since that leaves us with no opening act, I guess we'll have to have a DJ...
and I'll volunteer to do it- I've DJed for 15 years on college radio
and in clubs.
Of course it all depends on the exact date and how much plane tickets
from California will be...but I'm hoping I will be able to attend.
dave
On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Angela Tooley wrote:
>
> Hi, just in case you guys were not aware, the possibility of an opening
> act is no longer a possibility. I, for one, am a little disappointed.
> But Francis explained to me that Ivan's tour manager said an opening act
> would "ruin the show" or something like that. I'll get the exact quote
> later. He said Ivan never has an opening act. (Which makes sense
> because Ivan often *is* opening act.) But at our show, he will be
> Headlining of course, and if we can get the rest of the brothers, it
> will be a full-fledged Men Without Hats concert!!!
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) MWH Site Index
Date: 11 Mar 1998 00:04:08 -0800
Hatters-
My site that I have been promising an overhaul of, is overhauled. There
are still problems that will be fixed in the next week, but I wanted to get
it up ASAP. Feel free to check it out at
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom.
-Eric
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From: TXhoedown <TXhoedown@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 11 Mar 1998 07:51:04 EST
Has anyone from the southeast thought about driving to the concert. I would
be willing to carpool with several people, if anyonehad plans of driving. I
am currently residing in Hootieville (Columbia), South Carolina, but can drive
anywhere to meet up with people. I am going to be out of town for several
days, but if this sounds like a decent idea, please let me know. Thanks.
TXhoedown@aol.com
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 11 Mar 1998 09:12:50 +0000
Hi Hatters!
TXhoedown said . . .
> Has anyone from the southeast thought about driving to the concert?
Baby, let me tell you that is one *LOOONG* road trip! When Trena and
I did it last summer for the Rock Sans Frontieres concert, it was 18
hours from Raleigh, NC! I'm getting too old to try that again!
If people do want to split the driving, though, by the time June
rolls around, I may have forgotten the horrors of driving through
Washington DC at one o'clock in the morning and might be convinced to
once again gas up the Menwithouthats Party Van (a Mazda MPV, for
those of you who missed the joke last year). And this area actually
is a pretty good mustering point for NC, TN, SC, and GA. Oh, god, I
think I am talking myself into doing this again. Trena, stop me!!!!!
See everyone soon!!!!
:-) Laura
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Meeting recollections
Date: 11 Mar 1998 10:44:17 EST
In a message dated 98-03-11 00:16:54 EST, you write:
<< Just as long as it isn't in Angie's brain. >>
What's up with this?
angie
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Meeting recollections
Date: 11 Mar 1998 11:12:36 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Rush said
> << Just as long as it isn't in Angie's brain. >>
then Angie asked
> What's up with this?
Vince spoke of burying the hatchet . . . Steve's joke was really
"Just as long as [the hatchet isn't buried] in Angie's brain."
It took me a minute to figure it out, too - here's an instance when
a little bit *more* of the original post might have been included.
:-)
:-) Laura,glad we can all just get along. :-)
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: (hats) I am glad!!!
Date: 11 Mar 1998 11:19:27 -0500 (EST)
Hello to all,
I'm glad to see that all is well in the happy world of MWH land. I had my
doubts about many things, but all the volitle situations have now righted
themselves, and it seems that we have ourselves a concert! Yippee!
Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend, as I'm sure a few of you out
there share in my woe... but I am counting on those who do attend to bring
back wonderful stories and a great recording/video documentation.
I had a thought. What if while all of you were gathered in one location,
you got a video clip of each member saying a few things. This way, most
of the hat list members will have a picture to accompany an email address.
I'd love to see who I'm writing to! All of us that can't attend should
send in a self recorded videotape, and we could edit it all together...
and make one spanking cool collection. Any thoughts on this?
Nathan
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From: Shriekman <Shriekman@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Actual Date
Date: 11 Mar 1998 11:45:57 EST
Hey all;
I see a lot of notes about booking trips, but I didn't see an actual date
mentioned (though it is supposedly the same weekend as a Jazz Festival) --
Maybe I just missed it in the many emails.
Anyway, can someone let me know what the proposed date is?
Thanks! (and looking forward to the trip)
Greg
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 11 Mar 1998 11:58:43 -0500
TXhoedown a =E9crit:
>=20
> Has anyone from the southeast thought about driving to the concert. I =
would
> be willing to carpool with several people, if anyonehad plans of drivin=
g. I
> am currently residing in Hootieville (Columbia), South Carolina, but ca=
n drive
> anywhere to meet up with people. I am going to be out of town for seve=
ral
> days, but if this sounds like a decent idea, please let me know. Thank=
s.
If you like the idea, I could put a page on the web, listing all people
attending the concert, with how and when they will be arriving, from wher=
e,
where and how long they will be staying and their e-mail address. This wa=
y
people may more efficiently make arrangements for this great event (shoul=
d I
say historical).
Take care all
Claude
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) I am glad!!!
Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:31:01 -0500
Nathan Shireman a =E9crit:
>=20
> What if while all of you were gathered in one location,
> you got a video clip of each member saying a few things. This way, mos=
t
> of the hat list members will have a picture to accompany an email addre=
ss.
> I'd love to see who I'm writing to! All of us that can't attend shoul=
d
> send in a self recorded videotape, and we could edit it all together...
> and make one spanking cool collection. Any thoughts on this?
For a long time now I started something similar to that but simpler. It i=
s
called the who's who list. (URL:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/whoswho_mwh.html ) I aske=
d
people to send me a photo and I put it on the list (in a cool ID card). T=
he
response has been very quite. The strange thing is, I started a similar t=
hing
on two other lists (Gentle Giant and Marillion) and the reaction is
overwhelming. Maybe if you set a good example by sending in your picture,
other hatters will follow...
wishfully thinking
Claude
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From: fspin@post.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: (hats) 1983 or 1984?
Date: 11 Mar 1998 08:32:43 +0100 (MET)
Dear fellow hatters,
I'll try to find out more about the 1983/1984 mystery... ;) Because I'm
currently in my office I can't look up the A Flock Of Seagulls
track-listing, but will mail it soon.
All the best,
Frank
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Jazz Fest
Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:40:46 -0500
FYI:
Please note that the Montreal Jazz Festival will be held July 1-July 12.
Al.
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 11 Mar 1998 17:50:51 +0100
>Of course it all depends on the exact date and how much plane tickets
>from California will be...but I'm hoping I will be able to attend.
>
>dave
bet the ticket costs less than from London!
}:-)
Mike
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From: Nicolas Roux <Nicolas.Roux@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Jazz Fest
Date: 11 Mar 1998 18:16:02 +0000
Hello guys and Alain!
For those people coming over, some info:
Montreal Jazz Festival
http://www.montrealjazzfest.com/index2.html
Montreal
http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/
Foufounes Electriques
http://www.foufounes.com/
Orchestre Symphonique de Montreal
http://www.osm.ca/html/home.html
Palais des congr=E8s de Montr=E9al
http://www.congresmtl.com/calendr.html
Parc des =CEles de Montr=E9al=20
http://www.pdi-montreal.com/Francais/Evenements/Evenements.html
Parc olympique
http://www.rio.gouv.qc.ca/fra/sub2f.htm
Place Bonaventure
http://www.infobonaventure.com/CGI/expo.cgi?FRANCAIS
Place des arts
http://www.pda.qc.ca/fr.publ.cale.html
Soci=E9t=E9 du Vieux-Port de Montr=E9al Inc.
http://www.svpm.ca/activites=20
Beer
http://www.unibroue.com/
http://www.molson.com/fcgi-bin/bestguml/home/main
Enjoy! / Nicolas Roux
Alain Robillard-Bastien wrote:
>=20
> FYI:
>=20
> Please note that the Montreal Jazz Festival will be held July 1-July 1=
2.
>=20
> Al.
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (hats) Recording the gig...
Date: 11 Mar 1998 17:50:53 +0100
>*My sense is that the videotape/CD idea might be a tough sell. However,
>something tells me we'll be able to videotape only.
for their part all they'd have to do is to plug a DAT machine into the
spare stereo outputs of the mixing desk - thats all! And we've shown
that our fan CD efforts are far better than some of the amateurish ones
available for other bands... I mean, we've got more gear than Ivan has
himself!!!
}:-)
Mike
PS but what do I know...
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Montreal lodging info
Date: 11 Mar 1998 13:53:35 -0500
Hi everyone, welcome aboard flight 13....I mean, I just called Quebec
Tourism (1-800-363-7777) and asked for a book about Montreal and it's
attractions and hotels/lodges/etc with prices for 1998. They told me the
book isn't out yet but it will be available for mid April and that I should
receive it by the end of April. For those of you in the US, I don't think
that 800 number will work. I think 1-514-555-1212 may work (I don't know if
it will). It is like a 411 for 800 numbers. Ask for Quebec Tourism.
The very kind lady on the phone (with a beautiful accent!) also gave me the
information line for the Montreal Jazz Festival; 1-888-515-0515.
Bye all!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele
883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3603
Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage --coming soon: CHAT!
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7994
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 11 Mar 1998 20:09:27 +0100
>Baby, let me tell you that is one *LOOONG* road trip! When Trena and
>I did it last summer for the Rock Sans Frontieres concert, it was 18
>hours from Raleigh, NC! I'm getting too old to try that again!
>
>If people do want to split the driving, though, by the time June
>rolls around, I may have forgotten the horrors of driving through
>Washington DC at one o'clock in the morning and might be convinced to
>once again gas up the Menwithouthats Party Van (a Mazda MPV, for
>those of you who missed the joke last year). And this area actually
>is a pretty good mustering point for NC, TN, SC, and GA. Oh, god, I
>think I am talking myself into doing this again. Trena, stop me!!!!!
>
>See everyone soon!!!!
>
>:-) Laura
you could pick me up from the airport!!
}:-)
Mike
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) Montreal (surprise)
Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:45:34 -0800
Hey-
Does anyone know the approx. time from NYC to Montreal? Via car.
-Eric
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Montreal (surprise)
Date: 11 Mar 1998 15:51:21 +0000
Hi Eric!
> Does anyone know the approx. time from NYC to Montreal? Via car.
I think it was about 5 1/2 hours.
A mere drop in the bucket, relatively speaking! ;-)
:-) Laura
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 11 Mar 1998 16:18:51 EST
hey there!
as a fellow cali-head, i can safely say that airfare for us is probably going
to be $650-750 (maybe more by the time of this writing:/)...which is why i'm
antsy for a date, as the closer we book, the more it shall cost....this is not
a rip on YOU, Francis; ) i know you are doing all you can:)
i'll keep my eyes peeled, nonetheless:)
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Montreal (surprise)
Date: 11 Mar 1998 18:40:27 -0500
> Hey-
> Does anyone know the approx. time from NYC to Montreal? Via car.
> -Eric
Dude,
Listen to Freeways. That song is about driving from Montreal to New York
in I-87. IT is 6:00, It is 11:00.
Its a 5 hour drive exactly.
Tom
tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Private show --- DATE
Date: 11 Mar 1998 20:18:56 EST
Hey!
The date that came in my ming after reading all your messages was the last
Saturday of June, means 27th.
If Ivan is not available, it could be the week after.
We don't talk about the deposit now, we don't talk about booking your
vacation, we just talk about getting this show started properly with our
requests.
As soon as I have a confirmation of our requests, I'll write you a public
message.
Ciao
Francis
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Duran Tapes
Date: 11 Mar 1998 08:43:15 -0500 (EST)
Tom,
I will have to go back thru my email and find my source.
More on that later.
I was told though, that the Ivan tape didn't sound as good as the
Duran tape for some reason. If I recall correctly, you said in your
original post about this that the Duran tape didn't sound as good as
the Ivan tape.
I'm still not certain if we're talking about two pairs of tapes or
the same one.
Myke
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From: Charles Farnum <farnumw@00.asheville-school.org>
Subject: (hats) booking trips(shameless promotion)
Date: 12 Mar 1998 07:35:02 -0500
this may somewhat shameless promotion and probably against list
rules but since some of you are going to need to fly to montreal and all
of you might not have a travel agent, and my mother just happens to be
one....
Call her at farnum and christ(different from jesus) at
18003662048 between 9am and 5pm eastern time they will be glad to have
your business and we'll be keeping it all in the family.
Thanks
Whit
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From: "Trena Brantley" <Trena_Brantley@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 12 Mar 1998 14:04:22 +0000
Uh OH . . .
> If people do want to split the driving, though, by the time June
> rolls around, I may have forgotten the horrors of driving through
> Washington DC at one o'clock in the morning and might be convinced to
> once again gas up the Menwithouthats Party Van (a Mazda MPV, for
> those of you who missed the joke last year). And this area actually
> is a pretty good mustering point for NC, TN, SC, and GA. Oh, god, I
> think I am talking myself into doing this again. Trena, stop me!!!!!
OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD...
Somebody quick! hand me a stick to poke her with . . . a bat to hit
her over the head . . . a feather to tickle her silly . . . a . . .
oh, heck, I don't know. I guess that 18 hour non-stop trek back home
wasn't too bad. After all, Laura had enough energy after spending so
much time with Ivan and co. that she could have powered the world's
nuclear plants. Hey, Laura, YOU could be our next natural resource!
A dose of Ivan has no risidual effects on the environment. Cool!
Now if I can just patent it before June . . . mmmh. (mind wanders
off.... Mmmmh donuts...: )
Trena, aka the mad scientist
Trena_Brantley@ncsu.edu
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (hats) shameless promotion - best way to do it!!
Date: 12 Mar 1998 19:36:58 +0100
> this may somewhat shameless promotion and probably against list
>rules but since some of you are going to need to fly to montreal and all
>of you might not have a travel agent, and my mother just happens to be
>one....
>
> Call her at farnum and christ(different from jesus) at
>18003662048 between 9am and 5pm eastern time they will be glad to have
>your business and we'll be keeping it all in the family.
>
>Thanks
>Whit
Can she deal with aliens ie ppl from England?
}:-)
Mike
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 12 Mar 1998 19:37:01 +0100
>hey there!
>
>as a fellow cali-head, i can safely say that airfare for us is probably going
>to be $650-750 (maybe more by the time of this writing:/)...which is why i'm
>antsy for a date, as the closer we book, the more it shall cost....this is
>not
>a rip on YOU, Francis; ) i know you are doing all you can:)
>
>i'll keep my eyes peeled, nonetheless:)
>
>ttyl,
>Charlotte
so its cheaper to fly from London to Montreal than from within the US -
excellent (for me) and bad news (for you)...
}:-)
Mike
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Show
Date: 12 Mar 1998 15:12:52 EST
In a message dated 98-03-12 15:02:09 EST, moose@globald.demon.co.uk writes:
> so its cheaper to fly from London to Montreal than from within the US -
> excellent (for me) and bad news (for you)...
>
> }:-)
> Mike
>
:P~
i'm working on it, i'm working on it!
sheesh!
;)
-C-
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) cheap airfare?
Date: 12 Mar 1998 15:40:36 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Mike da Moose said
> > so its cheaper to fly from London to Montreal than from within the US -
then Charlotte said
> i'm working on it, i'm working on it!
I have an idea - let's all go to Mikey's for a few days, then fly to
Montreal on those low airfares out of Gatwick. ;-)
Mikey, you and I could go to the Spanish Galleon for lunch and then
eat feast bars all night while watching SP movies! Sound like fun?
;-)
L8R, everybody!
:-) Laura
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) cheap airfare?
Date: 12 Mar 1998 16:08:42 EST
In a message dated 98-03-12 15:46:33 EST, Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu writes:
>
> Hi Hatters!
>
> Mike da Moose said
> > > so its cheaper to fly from London to Montreal than from within the US
-
>
>
> then Charlotte said
> > i'm working on it, i'm working on it!
>
> I have an idea - let's all go to Mikey's for a few days, then fly to
> Montreal on those low airfares out of Gatwick. ;-)
>
> Mikey, you and I could go to the Spanish Galleon for lunch and then
> eat feast bars all night while watching SP movies! Sound like fun?
> ;-)
>
> L8R, everybody!
>
>
> :-) Laura
>
heehee...if i'm flying all the way to london...it'll take wild horses to pull
me away...even Ivan would be a tough sell, hon;)
welp, so far the best quote i've got for a non-stop is an air canada flight
for the dates i want (june 25 to july 19) for about $641....i really need BIG
TIME tips on places to stay in Montreal...i've been instructed to avoid the
Village (whatever THAT is) like the plague...i know that there are plenty of
well-seasoned Montrealers here, and any info would be dearly appreciated:)
my real goal is to find a decent BnB in downtown, where i do not have to pay
more than $75(CAN) (which i think is about $50-ish in US $$) per night, as i
am looking at a shade over a 3-week stay:) (this was originally going to be
two weeks in Montreal, and one week in Toronto, but will do Toronto next year)
but if worse comes to worse, i might be persuaded to trim it down to a 2-week
stay....it all depends on what i can find
help me out here, hatters!
thanks,
Charlotte
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Meeting recollections
Date: 12 Mar 1998 21:16:00 EST
In a message dated 98-03-10 19:24:48 EST, Vince writes:
<< *As Angie has already alluded to, Dave Byrne did not like the idea of an
opening act. He said it was too risky for Ivan to have to follow a
'potentially amateurish opening'. Of all the ideas Francis gave him, he
was the most adamant about this one. Sorry folks.
>>
This is understandable. However, just to show you I would never have allowed a
potentially amateurish opening to even be considered for this show, check out
my brother's band's website:
www.watchtowerent.com/winefield
This will give you an idea of what they are doing lately in the world of
independent label recording and touring. AND, the people who take care of his
website actually update it when necessary.
When you see the picture of the two faces, my brother is the one on the left,
just so you know.
Angie
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From: "Abraham, Howard E." <Abraham.Howard@mayo.edu>
Subject: (hats) carpool
Date: 12 Mar 1998 08:12:32 -0600
Taxes are hitting hard this year, so it looks like airfare to Montreal
is out of my reach. It's about a 21-hour drive from Minnesota to
Montreal. Is there anyone in Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania,
or New York that would be interested in carpooling? My wife and I have
a Sunbird, so it's not exactly spacious, but we could change cars if
yours is larger.
--Howard
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From: James Davis <james.davis@attws.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan at Junos?
Date: 12 Mar 1998 12:11:35 -0800
Hi,
I know I asked before, but.. does anyone know if Ivan will be attending
the Juno Awards in Vancouver?
Believe it or not, there's no mention of it on the Tox website and (go
figure) email to that site goes unanswered..
Jim
goreal@oz.net
http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) tox website?
Date: 12 Mar 1998 23:57:04 EST
has anyone considered the possibility that there is some sort of technical
problem on the tox end of the deal that somehow prevents them from receiving
mail?
it would explain why no one ever hears anything from it.....
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) show
Date: 13 Mar 1998 00:04:55 EST
I have a question that will be valid once this show is finally confirmed:
Could we somehow arrange a web simulcast for those Hatters who won't be able
to make it?
Angie
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan at Junos?
Date: 13 Mar 1998 00:18:41 -0500
James Davis a =E9crit:
> I know I asked before, but.. does anyone know if Ivan will be attending
> the Juno Awards in Vancouver?
I think he will be attending... (I'll tape the show anyway)
> Believe it or not, there's no mention of it on the Tox website and (go
> figure) email to that site goes unanswered..
I find it very hard to beleive. Have you tried all the email address, The=
re
are 8 of them I beleive...
perplex Claude
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) tox website?
Date: 13 Mar 1998 00:25:05 -0500
Aerechui a =E9crit:
>=20
> has anyone considered the possibility that there is some sort of techni=
cal
> problem on the tox end of the deal that somehow prevents them from rece=
iving
> mail?
> it would explain why no one ever hears anything from it.....
All jokes aside (I know, look who's talking)
I think TOX is lacking the human resources neccessary to properly maintai=
n a
web site and manage e-mail...
Take care
Claude
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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <gtsamson@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Private show --- DATE
Date: 12 Mar 1998 11:47:24 -0800
At 17:18 -0800 03/11/98, JDivito334 wrote:
>We don't talk about the deposit now, we don't talk about booking your
>vacation, we just talk about getting this show started properly with our
>requests.
>
>As soon as I have a confirmation of our requests, I'll write you a public
>message.
Makes perfect sense to me, Francis. Once we have a confirmation that
things will happen, things like dates, booking flights, etc. become much
more relevant.
Keep on with your good works :)
--
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) tox website?
Date: 13 Mar 1998 03:05:18 EST
In a message dated 98-03-12 23:59:18 EST, Aerechui@aol.com writes:
>
>
> has anyone considered the possibility that there is some sort of technical
> problem on the tox end of the deal that somehow prevents them from
receiving
> mail?
> it would explain why no one ever hears anything from it.....
>
gee..wouldn't one think that they would've caught on by NOW??!!??!!
;)
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) cheap airfare?
Date: 13 Mar 1998 18:53:22 +0100
>Hi Hatters!
>
>Mike da Moose said
>> > so its cheaper to fly from London to Montreal than from within the US -
>
>then Charlotte said
>> i'm working on it, i'm working on it!
>
>I have an idea - let's all go to Mikey's for a few days, then fly to
>Montreal on those low airfares out of Gatwick. ;-)
>
>Mikey, you and I could go to the Spanish Galleon for lunch and then
>eat feast bars all night while watching SP movies! Sound like fun?
>;-)
>
>L8R, everybody!
>
>
>:-) Laura
I'm game...
}:-)
Mike
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Full orchestral arrangement
Date: 14 Mar 1998 11:28:17 -0500
I was listening to the PGTW album this morning, when I noticed that a lot of
MWH songs could sound really good -and VERY powerful- when played by a full
orchestra, with real strings, brass section, etc. Am I in the twillight
zone???
Al.
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's show --- UPDATE
Date: 14 Mar 1998 11:40:35 EST
Hey gang.
NO NEWS, GOOD NEWS, that's what I have to say.
If Ivan didn't want our request, the answer would be NO immediately. If it
takes time, it's a good sign!
Ciao
Francis
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Full orchestral arrangement
Date: 14 Mar 1998 14:57:49 EST
In a message dated 98-03-14 11:30:52 EST, you write:
>
>
> I was listening to the PGTW album this morning, when I noticed that a lot
of
> MWH songs could sound really good -and VERY powerful- when played by a full
> orchestra, with real strings, brass section, etc. Am I in the twillight
> zone???
>
> Al.
>
Al,
I've been thinking that for ages ;)
Charlotte
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Full orchestral arrangement
Date: 14 Mar 1998 14:59:24 EST
In a message dated 98-03-14 11:30:52 EST, arbastie@crim.ca writes:
>
>
> I was listening to the PGTW album this morning, when I noticed that a lot
of
> MWH songs could sound really good -and VERY powerful- when played by a full
> orchestra, with real strings, brass section, etc. Am I in the twillight
> zone???
>
> Al.
>
Al,
I've been thinking that for AGES!
*Besides, it worked for Split Enz, didn't it? ;)*
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <kajjia@xts.net>
Subject: (hats) VH1
Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:13:15 -0800
VH1 is doing an "8 days of Eighties" week this week. They have a series on
that station called "Pop Up Video" in which little captions pop up at
certain points of the video with little quips or tidbits of information. I
caught on tape the Safety DAnce video mnus the first 2 seconds or so. I
think it woudl make a nice addition to a new video collection, so someone in
the US with a better VCR than I should tape it if it happens to repeat,
which I am sure it will. Prolly tonight around 5ish I think it's gonna
repeat.
Things I learned from watching this show:
There's a power line in the backround of the video
Ivan was born in Urbana, IL.
Ivan said the name of the band "Just popped into his head"
Safety Dance is NOT a reference to safe sex
The band broke up because it "got greedy"
The video was shot in rural England
The band was in NYC rehearsing for the ROY tour when the video was shot.
Well, that's all I have to say or now. If anyone with a spiffy VCR can, GET
IT ON TAPE! I am sure the rest of the list would like to see it.
Aaron Gitlin
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Safety Dance info
Date: 15 Mar 1998 02:35:23 -0500
>Things I learned from watching this show:
>There's a power line in the backround of the video
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>Ivan said the name of the band "Just popped into his head"
I thought the story was the mix-up with "Men Without Hate"
>The band broke up because it "got greedy"
I thought they never really broke up. Just never recorded for a while.
>The video was shot in rural England
I thought it was recorded in Ontario.
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Men Without Hate
Date: 15 Mar 1998 02:43:48 -0500 (EST)
I have located a used copy of "In The 21st Century" on CD at a local
record shoppe here in Tulsa. I don't remember if it's out of print now
or not, but if anybody's needing a copy I'll be happy to get it and mail
it to them if you send me a check first to cover the costs. The price on
the disk is $13.98 which I thought was extremely steep for a used disk
but I think the woman who owns and runs the place, Rita, knows what she's
got in that one. I already have it and don't really care for it, so I
didn't get buy it when I saw it, but if anybody else is hard up enough
to be willing to pay that much for it plus shipping, I just wanted to
let you know it's available.
Myke
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Subject: (hats) new member yo
Date: 15 Mar 1998 10:55:19 GMT
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Hey... I'm Aaron... I'm currently studying art in SF...
I don't really know that much about Men Without Hats beyond their
singles... I recently heard Pop Goes the World again, and, basically I
want every remix I can find of it... and while I'm at it I might as well
try to listen to some of their other stuff, too...
Guess that's it... too brief? too long? oh well...
bye
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Safety Dance info
Date: 15 Mar 1998 14:56:04 EST
In a message dated 98-03-15 02:33:09 EST, Daniele write:
<< >The video was shot in rural England
I thought it was recorded in Ontario.
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No, it was recorded in England near Bath.
Angie
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Safety Dance info
Date: 15 Mar 1998 21:22:34 EST
Hey!
Safety Dance was shoot at Goring on Thames, 80 km west of London.
Ciao
Francis
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 16 Mar 1998 13:16:55 -0500 (EST)
If there are a bunch of people going to Montreal (which there
are..i was just prefacing my comment)...then we could stay at a youth
hostel.
The Auberge de Junesse (I don't know French at all so this is
probably spelled incorrect) is a hostel a block from the Molsen Center
(where the Canadians play).
I know that they have room deals there...like if you get 4 or more
people to a room...the price drops dramatically. For one person, it is $17
Canadian dollars a night. They have rooms for 8 and I think 12 people.
What do you guys think of this?
Collin Pisarra @ Ithaca College
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: (hats) The old man says it all
Date: 16 Mar 1998 13:34:02 -0500 (EST)
"WHEN I'M BACK...BACK IN TOP IN JUNE!"
-Frank Sinatra
---I figured this quote could apply to this group---
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 16 Mar 1998 16:36:25 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Collin said
> ..then we could stay at a youth hostel.
A great idea - but, how "youthful" do you have to be to get to stay
in a youth hostel? ;-)
:-) L (28 and counting!)
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 16 Mar 1998 17:27:12 EST
In a message dated 98-03-16 16:42:14 EST, Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu writes:
>
>
> Hi Hatters!
>
> Collin said
> > ..then we could stay at a youth hostel.
>
> A great idea - but, how "youthful" do you have to be to get to stay
> in a youth hostel? ;-)
>
> :-) L (28 and counting!)
>
>
hey hatters:)
Laura, there is NO age requirement for staying at a hostel...i would consider
this myself, if i wasn't staying for so long so have so much with me *i don't
like the thought of having to lock my stuff in a locker every single day for 3
weeks!* therefore, i am attempting to go the `b-n-b' route...should have some
decent quotes shortly...man, i wish that there was a small cottage i could
rent for about $450/mo...that would be so cool:)
but there ya go:) as far as i know, people of ALL ages stay at hostels:)
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 16 Mar 1998 19:01:09 EST
Collin said
> ..then we could stay at a youth hostel.
Then Laura said,
>A great idea - but, how "youthful" do you have to be to get to stay
> in a youth hostel? ;-)
As far as I know, they don't actually put an age limit on those who can stay
in one. They're geared toward young travelers but if you're in your 30's
they're not going to
turn you away on that basis.
Angie
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) did anyone know? - safety dance video
Date: 16 Mar 1998 21:28:42 EST
just wondering.... did anyone else know that the safety dance video is
basically a representation of the typical wiccan/pagan beltane (mayday)
ceremonies?- they do a parade every year in padstow, england. they have the
hobby horse, Punch (played in the video by stefan, i believe), (his stick is
known as "the tease or tease stick) and the morris dancers. oh yeah- and all
the traditional beltane masques so many folks are wearing. and i am sure
you've all long since noticed the punk rockers just hanging around in the
background. just wondering if anyone knew.......
Adieu aerechui.
ps
has anyone been able to tell what the pin on ivan's jerkin says?
: )
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From: BDay0000 <BDay0000@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Booking Trips
Date: 16 Mar 1998 22:03:11 EST
Hatters,
Could someone tell me how far it is from the Montreal Airport to the downtown
area where the MWH show will be? In some cities, it costs $20 each to get to
the city from the airport. Anyone want to carpool from the airport and then
back after the weekend?
Also, has it been confirmed that the show will be the same weekend as the Jazz
Fest?
Thanks,
Brad Day
Atlanta, GA
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Booking, transport, info, etc.
Date: 17 Mar 1998 00:05:23 -0500
First for the hostel: in Ireland, last Fall, I was in a youth hostel with a
very fine german couple; but they were about 60! So, in all major hostels,
age is not a criteria anymore. It is more a matter of taste, and money as
well... I've been told by a few travellers I know that it is often more fun
in those hostels since you can meet people more easily. I will check how it
is exactly in Montreal.
Second: from the Dorval airport (all of you coming by plane should land
there, since Mirabel, the other airport far from Montreal, is now dedicated
to charters - lucky you!), it is 35$ CAN MAXIMUM (more around 20$ I think)
for the ride to downtown Montreal, but I think they have a fixed rate. I'll
check that in the next cab I'll take. This price is for the ride, no matter
how many you are to get on the cab. You can also use a special luxury bus
service
for less, or even the city bus, for less than 2$. So if you don't have a lot
of stuff and/or money, this solution is the cheapest. The bus will take you
to the
subway. From there, you can go anywhere downtown Montreal. The "Auberge de
Jeunesse" (Collin, you were almost right! ;-) ) is located at the
Bonaventure Station, wich is on the same subway line that the one the
airport's bus will take you to. So you can be there in an hour or so, quite
easily, for 1.85$ to be exact. May I say, at the risk of sounding a little
bit like a travel agent, that even though common sens is "de rigueur" like
in any big city, public transportation in Montreal are perfectly safe, as is
the downtown area. As safe as the MARTA, Brad... ;-)
If you fellows have a few questions about Montreal, I can check some stuff
around. So go ahead and post your question to the list (so the same
questions won't be asked over and over) this week, I will try (and be
pleased) to gather informations next week-end. I'll post the answers to the
list as well. I already had a few questions about B&B, etc. Please note,
however, that I will not book rooms, etc. But I can give phone numbers,
prices,and so. Also, it could be possible for me to be at the airport at
your arrival, depending when will be your flight of course. Could be useful,
for example, if it is your first time in Montreal: I could help a little bit
for directions, etc.
And Happy St-Patrick's Day to our Irish friends...!
Al.
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Some hotels in Montreal
Date: 17 Mar 1998 00:18:04 -0500
This page will give you some basic data about some hotels in Montreal.
http://interresa.ca/hotel/canada/quebec/12/
And make sure to check the URL's Nicolas Roux sent a few days ago!
Al.
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Montreal's subway
Date: 17 Mar 1998 00:21:25 -0500
Ok, last message for today...
Check this URL for info on the Montreal subway:
http://metro.ratp.fr:10001/bin/select/english/canada/montreal
Al.
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Very good listing of Montreal hostels and hotels
Date: 17 Mar 1998 00:41:33 -0500
Ok, just one last little message...
This URL says it all, it is an official and credible site, where I noticed
that it is not the Bonaventure station I should have talked about, but
Lucien L'Allier (next one..., not that bad!)
http://www.tourism-montreal.org/aubergea.htm
Al.
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: (hats) Montreal's official youth hostel
Date: 17 Mar 1998 00:54:22 -0500
Well, it seems I just can't stop... So here are the informations about the
main Montreal's youth hostel. You have everything you need to know there,
including email and 1-800 number. More: they even have their website at:
http://www.hostellingmontreal.com/
Those informations were gathered from the last URL I've sent you before.
Check it out though, there are other choices, including B&B and hotels. I
guess that some of you would prefer the last two choices.
Al.
YOUTH HOSTELS
Hostelling International Montr=E9al
1030 Mackay Street
Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec)
H3G 2H1
M=E9tro: Lucien-L'Allier
Tel.: (514) 843-3317,
Fax: (514) 934-3251
Toll free: 1-800-663-3317
Email: info@ajmontreal.qc.ca
12 private rooms. 246 beds. The =ABAuberge de Jeunesse de Montr=E9al=BB is a
member of the International Hostel Network.
Inspected annually, the Auberge de Jeunesse de Montr=E9al has a superior
rating. Air-conditioned, bathroom and shower in each room, self-service
cooking facilities and laundry room. The Auberge also offers a variety of
activities geared to groups and individuals: guided city tours, theme
entertainment, nearby toboganning and skating. No age limit.
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 16 Mar 1998 18:13:35 -0500 (EST)
HarpiChick Wrote:
i would consider
this myself, if i wasn't staying for so long so have so much with me *i
don't
like the thought of having to lock my stuff in a locker every single day
for 3
weeks!* therefore, i am attempting to go the `b-n-b' route...
"And I say" (little MWH ref. there):
We don't have to worry about locking things up b/c in the room would be
all MWH fans. I'm sure no stealing would go on. Hey, we live in "a nation
that worships its beggars and theives..."
Luckily, we're not included in that stat.
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) Montreal's official youth hostel
Date: 17 Mar 1998 02:25:52 -0500 (EST)
and to follow up on AL's repeated messages...
I will tell you all that I stayed in the Auberge de Jeunesse (i still
don't know if I'm spelling it right) in Montreal. It is SO clean and they
clean the rooms everyday and people there are so polite. The receptionists
are young (youths) and there is a tv lounge and private showers. And I
promise that the hostel had nothing to do with this PR I'm giving it.
ITHAcoll
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) Booking, transport, info, etc.
Date: 17 Mar 1998 02:22:24 -0500 (EST)
Just to clear up information on youth hostels:
They began to flourish in the time of the 50's and 60's with
Kerouak and the beat generation. The reason they were named youth
hostels...was because they attracted mainly youths. Now, the hostel
doesn't descriminate...it doesn't matter how old you are...just that you
have money.
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) did anyone know? - safety dance video
Date: 17 Mar 1998 02:19:40 -0500 (EST)
Did you guys know that the Safety Dance video was on an episode of
Pop Up Video. I don't know who gets that show but it is hilarious...they
put little factoids on the screen while a video is playing.
I didn't see it but a friend told me it was on.
Collin from Ithaca
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From: "Mr. Oglio" <info@oglio.com>
Subject: (hats) Safety Dance on Pop Up Video
Date: 17 Mar 1998 11:58:29 -0700
I was contacted by VH1 and Pop Up Video a couple months ago for facts. I
gave them Stephan and Ivan's number.
Carl Oglio
> Did you guys know that the Safety Dance video was on an episode of
> Pop Up Video. I don't know who gets that show but it is hilarious...they
> put little factoids on the screen while a video is playing.
> I didn't see it but a friend told me it was on.
>
> Collin from Ithaca
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 17 Mar 1998 15:28:57 EST
In a message dated 98-03-17 03:41:07 EST, cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu writes:
>
>
> HarpiChick Wrote:
> i would consider
> this myself, if i wasn't staying for so long so have so much with me *i
> don't
> like the thought of having to lock my stuff in a locker every single day
> for 3
> weeks!* therefore, i am attempting to go the `b-n-b' route...
>
> "And I say" (little MWH ref. there):
> We don't have to worry about locking things up b/c in the room would be
> all MWH fans. I'm sure no stealing would go on. Hey, we live in "a nation
> that worships its beggars and theives..."
> Luckily, we're not included in that stat.
>
>
uh...HELLO!!
OTHER individuals will be staying in the hostel BESIDES MWH fans!
in any case, i did not mean that comment as a slight against others on the
list who would be considering this option; i am merely remembering some
literature on a hostel pamphlet that specifically states that it is a good
precaution to lock items up when away....don't get your jockeys in a bunch,
sheesh!
ttyl,
Charlotte the Grouch :P~
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 17 Mar 1998 15:45:00 -0500 (EST)
Harpi Chick wrote:
uh...HELLO!!
OTHER individuals will be staying in the hostel BESIDES MWH fans!
"And I say":
You can reserve rooms for just the people you know.
You can keep all stuff in your room.
People can't get into your room without a key.
These are all very simple concepts.
No bitterness...I've just had 5 hours of classes today.
"It's plain as da-hey!"
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: (hats) safety dance video
Date: 17 Mar 1998 17:27:43 -0500 (EST)
>what
>hat facts were used on Safety Dance video on Pop Up Video
> Does anybody know this?
Ithacoll
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From: "Klaus Fleischer" <kf@tvsmith.com>
Subject: (hats) introduction
Date: 18 Mar 1998 00:48:40 +0100
Hello!
I am Klaus from Germany! I am new to this list.
Men Without Hats has been one of my first bands I ever listened to. 'Rhythm
of youth' was the first album I bought, that's 15 years ago. I have been
with this band from the beginning(almost).
I loved "Folk of the 80s III" when it was released back in '84. (I am a
proud owner of the original CD-release of Folk of the 80's III) Three hard
years followed, while I thought, MWH had split up. Then PGTW appeared. It
was like a resurrection.
21st Century was another masterpiece. Sideways: I still don't know what I
should think of it. 'Everybody wants to know' surely is one of the most
beautiful songs I know.
I had lost track of MWH for quite some time. Then I found this list. It is
good to know, that there are still many people interested in MWH.
I haven't got Ivan's new album, but I know, I have to get it.
Klaus
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: (hats) Fw: Bootlegs??
Date: 13 Mar 1998 00:22:01 -0600
Hey Myke (from Pig Pen), Tom, Richard, or anyone who may be reading this and
have some expertise. What is the procedure for showing up at a concert and
making a boot? I won't have access to actual connections, so how is this
done? Does one buy a nice minidisk recorder? Is there a mic that plugs in
so that you could run one down each arm for stereo? How far do you stay
from the stage? Any and all ideas would be appreciated, or any sources on
the web would be great as well.
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: WII@aon.dk
Subject: (hats) the collection
Date: 13 Mar 1998 13:18:10 +0100
hi.
does anyone have the labelnumber of the CMC international - men without
hats collection, that was released not long ago??
My favorite recordstore need the number to order the cd.
Willy
e-mail: wii@aon.dk
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From: fspin@post.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: (hats) BBC live on vinyl
Date: 13 Mar 1998 14:30:46 +0100 (MET)
Hi there,
I promised to list the tracks from the A Flock Of Seagulls part of the split
release of Men Without Hats/AFOS. Here they are:
1) DNA
2) Messages
3) Nightmares
4) Over The Border
5) What Am I Supposed To Do
6) Wishing
Thomas asked me whether I was willing to sell or trade my original BBC
radioshow vinyl. I told him that I would trade it for:
- Moonbeam CD single
- Pop Goes The World CD Video
If there is anybody who has these and is interested in trading, please
let me know.
Best Wishes,
Frank
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From: fspin@post.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: (hats) 1...2...3...
Date: 14 Mar 1998 08:55:54 +0100 (MET)
Hi there,
I sent a message yesterday which seems lost...
Anyway, here I go again. I had promised to supply you with the
track-listing of A Flock Of Seagulls from the original BBC transcript
vinyl of MWH/A Flock Of Seagulls.
1) DNA
2) Messages
3) Nightmares
4) Over The Border
5) What Am I Supposed To Do
6) Wishing
Thomas from Germany asked if I was willing to sell or trade this LP. I
would trade it for:
- Moonbeam (CD single)
or
- Pop Goes The World (CD Video)
If anybody's interested, let me know.
Cheers,
Frank
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Full orchestral arrangement
Date: 14 Mar 1998 11:08:18 -0600
No, it worked like a DREAM for the Moody Blues....
Cordially,
Rush
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you
saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
this strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down
on his shoulders--what would you tell him to do?"
"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
I was listening to the PGTW album this morning, when I noticed that a
lot of
MWH songs could sound really good -and VERY powerful- when played by a
full
orchestra, with real strings, brass section, etc. Am I in the twillight
zone???
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From: Dave Mattingly <dmattingly@platsoft.com>
Subject: (hats) VH1
Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:33:25 -0800
I just checked the VH1 site, and the MWH video will be replayed at 8:00
AM (EST) on Tuesday (the 17th).
Dave Mattingly
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From: Dave Mattingly <dmattingly@platsoft.com>
Subject: (hats) Pop Up Video
Date: 14 Mar 1998 12:17:29 -0800
I just saw Safety Dance on Pop Up Video! It's Eight Days of Eighties
week, and today's Pop Up focused on dancing. I wish I had
been able to tape it, but I was visiting my parents' house.
For those who haven't seen it, Pop Up Video is a half-hour program on
VH1. They show a video, and pop up bits of information during the song,
sometimes informative, sometimes irreverent.
My favorite bit was at the very beginning, when Ivan and the dwarf first
appear. They point to Ivan and pop up "Man without hat." Then they point
to the dwarf and pop up "Man without height." A close second place was
shortly after, when they point to the dwarf and pop up "Medieval
jester," and when the girl pops into the scene with her goofy grin, they
point to her and pop up "Medieval fool."
They mention a few interesting tidbits, like Ivan's birthday is October
9, 1957. And the video was shot in one day in England, and the rest of
the band couldn't be there because they were in New York rehearsing for
either a tour or a recording -- I forget which. And Ivan founded the
band in '80, and the band name "just came to him."
There was the speculation that the song was about safe sex, since "jimmy
hat" was one of the many slangs for condom at the time, and people could
no longer dance in the sheets safely without hats without fear of AIDS
and other various diseases.
Then at the end of the video, they mention that Ivan now dances alone,
because the success of the song caused the band to get too greedy, and
they broke up shortly after. So their info is definitely not completely
correct, but it was great to see the video getting the treatment.
As a good running gag, the next video was The Hooters' "And We Danced."
They pointed to a concessions vendor wearing a hat and popped up "Man
with hat."
Dave Mattingly
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From: Candace Roberts <icehouse@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (hats) Confused about what this is?
Date: 15 Mar 1998 12:36:50 -0500
I somehow wrote this tracklisting down in my notebook under the heading Men Without Hats. I can't
remember where I got it from. Does anybody know what this is???
Thanks
Tracks:
the safety dance
living in china
i got the message
where do the boys go
antartica
folk of the 80s
i like
no dancing
the great ones remember
eurotheme
unsatisfaction
cocoricci (le tango des voleurs)
things in my life
messiahs die young
i know their name
i sing last/ not for tears
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: (hats) Philharmonic O?
Date: 15 Mar 1998 12:33:46 -0600
The Moody Blues made a killing with the orchestra bit, and it sounds
wonderful, even at Red Rocks....
Cordially,
Rush
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saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his
arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of
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"I... don't know. What... could he do? What would you tell him?"
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 17 Mar 1998 21:17:27 EST
In a message dated 98-03-17 15:50:02 EST, cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu writes:
> Harpi Chick wrote:
> uh...HELLO!!
> OTHER individuals will be staying in the hostel BESIDES MWH fans!
>
> "And I say":
> You can reserve rooms for just the people you know.
> You can keep all stuff in your room.
> People can't get into your room without a key.
> These are all very simple concepts.
> No bitterness...I've just had 5 hours of classes today.
>
> "It's plain as da-hey!"
>
> Collin from Ithaca
>
colin,
i just love how you managed to eliminate the rest of my message, but oh
well....i'm not going to inspire nor participate in another cat session.....i
was simply speaking for myself; you may not like my decision, but i do ask
that you respect it and leave it be so the rest of us have more pleasant email
to read on this list:)
Thank You,
Charlotte:)
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 17 Mar 1998 22:27:13 -0500 (EST)
HarpiChick wrote:
but i do ask
that you respect it and leave it be so the rest of us have more pleasant
email
to read on this list
Collin says:
Sorry for that. I meant it to be taken lightly. In my media writing
class...all we do is talk about Clinton and Lewinsky so I guess I'm always
looking for controversy now.
Collin at Ithaca
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) Pop-up Video on tonight
Date: 18 Mar 1998 20:46:46 +0000
Tonight (March 18th) they will rerun the Safety Dance Video on Pop
up Video at 8:30pm
http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/schedule/display.tin?dtBroadcastTime=03/1
8/1998%2020%3a30%3a00
Wednesday 3/18
Pop-Up 80s
Men w/o Hats "Safety Dance" The Hooters "And We Danced" Herbie Hancok
"Rock it" Wang Chung "Dance Hall Days" Jagger/Bowie "Dancin' In The
Street"
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) Pop-up Video on tonight
Date: 18 Mar 1998 20:46:46 +0000
Tonight (March 18th) they will rerun the Safety Dance Video on Pop
up Video at 8:30pm
http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/schedule/display.tin?dtBroadcastTime=03/1
8/1998%2020%3a30%3a00
Wednesday 3/18
Pop-Up 80s
Men w/o Hats "Safety Dance" The Hooters "And We Danced" Herbie Hancok
"Rock it" Wang Chung "Dance Hall Days" Jagger/Bowie "Dancin' In The
Street"
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) Pop-up Video on tonight
Date: 18 Mar 1998 20:46:46 +0000
Tonight (March 18th) they will rerun the Safety Dance Video on Pop
up Video at 8:30pm
http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/schedule/display.tin?dtBroadcastTime=03/1
8/1998%2020%3a30%3a00
Wednesday 3/18
Pop-Up 80s
Men w/o Hats "Safety Dance" The Hooters "And We Danced" Herbie Hancok
"Rock it" Wang Chung "Dance Hall Days" Jagger/Bowie "Dancin' In The
Street"
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) Multiple Posts
Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:35:29 +0000
Something is really strange - I dont know if it is on my end or
Xmission. But it seems like my last post posted 3 times.
Maybe its time to reinstall the mail server.
-Rich
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Confused about what this is?
Date: 18 Mar 1998 13:34:52 -0500 (EST)
I bet you anything that you were bored one day and wanted to make up the
ultimate album for MWH's... so you wrote down a bunch of tracks in the
order that you thought would be best. Am I right?
nathan
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Confused about what this is?
Date: 18 Mar 1998 13:02:37 -0600
I'll take that bet, how much do you want to lose?
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: Nathan Shireman
Subject: Re: (hats) Confused about what this is?
I bet you anything that you were bored one day and wanted to make up the
ultimate album for MWH's... so you wrote down a bunch of tracks in the
order that you thought would be best. Am I right?
nathan
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) youth hostels
Date: 18 Mar 1998 15:12:10 EST
In a message dated 98-03-18 04:04:46 EST, cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu writes:
>
>
> HarpiChick wrote:
> but i do ask
> that you respect it and leave it be so the rest of us have more pleasant
> email
> to read on this list
>
> Collin says:
> Sorry for that. I meant it to be taken lightly. In my media writing
> class...all we do is talk about Clinton and Lewinsky so I guess I'm always
> looking for controversy now.
>
> Collin at Ithaca
>
apology accepted! :)
ttyl,
-C-
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) Triangle (NC) chapter meeting
Date: 18 Mar 1998 15:47:54 +0000
Hi Fellow Hatters!
I promised I'd update the list on the Research Trianlge (NC) chapter
of the MWH fan club meeting. It will be this Friday, March 20th, at
the Chili's on Kildare Farm Road in Cary, at 11:30. If anyone is
planning on popping in to North Carolina for the day, stop on by!
We'll be the loud, rowdy ones wearing MWH T-shirts. For those who
can't make it, we'll fill you in on all the gory details next week.
:-)
Update on T-shirt re-orders . . . Still trying to get them to call
me back. I'll be charitable and suggest that the sales rep might be
on vacation. Hope to know more soon!
:-) Laura
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) Triangle (NC) chapter meeting
Date: 18 Mar 1998 16:36:01 -0500 (EST)
WHILE WE WERE MAKING T-SHIRTS...I KNOW SOMEBODY AS WELL WHO OWNS A
T-SHIRT TYPE SMALL BUSINESS. I WAS THINKING OF MAKING T-SHIRTS WITH A
BLACK T-SHIRT AND ON IT WOULD BE THE MWH LOGO AS PICTURED ON THE INSIDE OF
THE PGTW CD...IT'S THE SAME LOGO AS IS ABOVE THE MEN WITHOUT HATS SITE
INDEX. I WOULD PUT THE LOGO ON THE BACK OF THE T-SHIRT. THE FRONT WOULD
JUST BE BLACK. ANY TAKERS??? WOULD PROBABLY COST (ASSUMING WE CAN GET
20-25 PEOPLE IN ON INT) BETWEEN $12-$16 PER T.
LET ME KNOW PRIVATELY OR THROUGH THE E-MAIL.
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MAY THIS E-MAIL SUCCEED WHY THE
E-MAILS OF MY FRIENDS FAIL..YET
MAY I ALWAYS BE PERCEIVED AS A
TEAM PLAYER
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) Collin's new T's
Date: 18 Mar 1998 17:29:01 +0000
Don't shout - we're not blind! ;-)
Collin bellowed:
> BLACK T-SHIRT AND ON IT WOULD BE THE MWH LOGO AS PICTURED ON THE
> INSIDE OF THE PGTW CD
Sounds nifty. I'd take one!
:-) Laura
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) PopUp Video
Date: 18 Mar 1998 22:09:27 EST
I caught the Safety Dance video on VH-1 tonight. I had always wanted to see
it with the little pop-up facts on it. I still love that video, power line
and all.
It was funny because tonight when I noticed it turned 8:30, I immediately
turned on the TV and flipped to VH-1.
And the first thing they showed was Men Without Hats, so my mother thought it
was a little suspicious!!! She knows how much I have always loved them.
She said, " That's a little strange!!! How did you know that was going to
be on????"
Angie :-)
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) VH1 PICTURES!!!
Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:32:42 -0800
Hatters-
For those of you not lucky enough to get VH1, I have posted 15 pictures form
the "Safety Dance" Pop-Up Video. Go see them here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom/vh1.html. Later...
Eric Soderblom
soderblom@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) Safety Dance Video - VH1
Date: 19 Mar 1998 20:43:55 +0000
Last night I recorded the VH1 Safety Dance Pop-Up Video.
Hopfully in the next few weeks it will be on my site at
http://www.holdman.com/mwh
The file size will be around 45-50 meg. The video will also go onto
the MWH semi-interactive CD-ROM that I will be making and offering
to MWH fans on the list. I plan on putting all 5 CD boots in mp3
format on the disc along with some videos, pictures, and whatever
will fit on it.
If you have any ideas on the CD-ROM please let me know.
-Richard
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From: david richards <guerue@erols.com>
Subject: (hats) What's new?
Date: 19 Mar 1998 11:40:50 -0500
Hi,
Please forgive my utter ignorance here. I am in the process of putting
together the next issue of LExicon mag and I seem to recall that there
is going to be some sort of show by Ivan soon. Can anyone fill me in on
this? I know I should have been reading the postings, but simply have
not had the time. I would love tomention it in the next issue (or if it
has already happened maybe someone has a quick review?)
Thanks
-Dave Richards
PS- Any one seen Spins Top 42 Altrenative Novelty Hits? Safety Dance is
in there.
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Radio in the 1980s
Date: 19 Mar 1998 12:47:54 -0500 (EST)
Unrelated to the Hats but not to the spirit...
Does anybody else on this list have surviving tapes of their favourite
local pop radio stations recorded in the 1980s? I have recorded the
radio on a fairly regular basis since 1979 and have an incredible collection
of such tapes now. Recently I've been compiling them to (NTSC) VHS HiFi
videotapes with lengths ranging from 4-8 hours each. I have also begun to
make the indices for these compilations available online at my website.
Right now, though, there is only a small fraction of my full collection
available to be browsed. I will working feverishly ove rhte next few days to
oops/ over the next few days to get all of the indices online.
Anyway, I'm interested in trading copies of my tapes for similar tapes
made by others from other locations. It seems that I have a severe lack
of radio from the 1982-1983 era.
To see what I've got online so far, point your browser (very carefully, please!(to :
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/index.htm
Click on the first Acid Purple Flower that you see.
Then click on "My Radio Waves Museum".
Thanks all for putting up with me off-topic post!
Myke
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) Fw: Bootlegs??
Date: 19 Mar 1998 18:40:43 +0100
>Hey Myke (from Pig Pen), Tom, Richard, or anyone who may be reading this and
>have some expertise. What is the procedure for showing up at a concert and
>making a boot? I won't have access to actual connections, so how is this
>done? Does one buy a nice minidisk recorder? Is there a mic that plugs in
>so that you could run one down each arm for stereo? How far do you stay
>from the stage? Any and all ideas would be appreciated, or any sources on
>the web would be great as well.
>
>Cordially,
>Rush
I'd use the phrase 'carefully' for recording stuff at gigs. If you
really do have to do it and dont mind the risk of having your stuff taken
off you then get a fairly decent mic - stereo or mono (mono at gigs is
better than a cheap stereo) and get as close to the mixing desk (US ppl
call it a board) as the guys who mix the gig usually mix it for that
point of the hall... I started to record a Howard Jones gig that way,
but was caught and invited to use a spare set of outpust on the desk, and
actualy met Howie afterwards...
If you can't risk loosing your gear - dont do it!
}:-)
Mike
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) Triangle (NC) chapter meeting
Date: 19 Mar 1998 18:57:09 +0100
>It will be this Friday, March 20th, at
>the Chili's on Kildare Farm Road in Cary, at 11:30.
darn, can't make it!
}:-(
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From: Col <col@upfields.demon.co.uk>
Subject: (hats) bootleg covers
Date: 19 Mar 1998 18:34:24 -0000
I'm making up some tape versions of the bootlegs for myself and was
wondering if anyone has tape sleeve versions of the CD cover art for each.
I don't have anything to extract them from the Acrobat files and all the
other bitmaps I've found on the WEB are too small and get distorted when
blown up to Cassette size. Can anyone help?
Col
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) bootlegs artwork for tapes
Date: 20 Mar 1998 02:15:03 +0000
> I guess I could make some in Tape format - It might be a week or so
> until they are up on the site.
>
> -Rich
>
> >
> > I'm making up some tape versions of the bootlegs for myself and
> > was wondering if anyone has tape sleeve versions of the CD cover
> > art for each. I don't have anything to extract them from the
> > Acrobat files and all the other bitmaps I've found on the WEB are
> > too small and get distorted when blown up to Cassette size. Can
> > anyone help?
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Collin's new T's
Date: 19 Mar 1998 16:22:49 EST
In a message dated 98-03-18 17:34:42 EST, Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu writes:
>
>
> Don't shout - we're not blind! ;-)
>
> Collin bellowed:
>
> > BLACK T-SHIRT AND ON IT WOULD BE THE MWH LOGO AS PICTURED ON THE
> > INSIDE OF THE PGTW CD
>
> Sounds nifty. I'd take one!
>
> :-) Laura
>
glad i'm not the only whose eyeballs are now deaf;)
yeah, i'd be interested in one:)
kewl beanz!
Charlotte
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) PopUp Video
Date: 19 Mar 1998 16:25:02 EST
In a message dated 98-03-18 22:16:01 EST, ADTooley@aol.com writes:
>
> I caught the Safety Dance video on VH-1 tonight. I had always wanted to
see
> it with the little pop-up facts on it. I still love that video, power line
> and all.
> It was funny because tonight when I noticed it turned 8:30, I immediately
> turned on the TV and flipped to VH-1.
> And the first thing they showed was Men Without Hats, so my mother thought
> it
> was a little suspicious!!! She knows how much I have always loved them.
> She said, " That's a little strange!!! How did you know that was going to
> be on????"
>
> Angie :-)
>
BLAST! ( !@#$%^&@#$%^&*#$%^&@#$%^! ! ! ?!)
i remembered at precisely 8:34, i tuned in right in the middle of that cursed
hooters video...is there any more air dates for Safety Dance? :(:(:(
Ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: Robin Platts/Mary Standell <robmar@islandnet.com>
Subject: (hats) hats (vinyl) for sale
Date: 19 Mar 1998 09:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Dear Hats Fans,
Due to lack of space, I am downsizing my vinyl collection, and selling off
the following MWH and MWH-related items. I haven't put prices on them, so if
you see something you want, please make me an offer.(All are Canadian
pressings unless otherwise noted and all are in excellent shape.)
Yours Truly,
Robin Platts
e-mail: robmar@islandnet.com
MWH:
O Sole Mio (Canadian 7" in poster sleeve)
Where Do The Boys Go? (Canadian 12" single)
Folk Of The 80s Part III (Canadian LP - just has big hats logo on front
cover, no title)
Safety Dance (UK 12")
Pop Goes The World (Canadian LP)
Rational Youth:
I Want To See The Light 12"
Saturdays In Silesia 12"
Cold War Night Life LP
Rational Youth ('84 EP w/original version of In Your Eyes)
Heredity LP
The Box:
(The Box were a Montreal band fronted by singer/songwriter Jean Marc, who
was in one of the early lineups of MWH. The group was produced by ex-MWH
manager Marc Durand and signed to the Alert label, which Durand co-founded.
All these releases are mid-80's records, produced by Durand.)
The Box LP
All The Time, All The Time, All The Time LP
L'Affaire Dumoutier 12"
Closer Together LP
Mitsou:
El Mundo LP (her first album, no Hats involvement, but this is AUTOGRAPHED.)
(I also have a few EPs by early 80s Canadian synth-pop acts Images In Vogue
abd Moral Support, if anyone's interested.)
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 19 Mar 1998 16:47:56 EST
In a message dated 98-03-19 11:42:24 EST, you write:
<< Hi,
Please forgive my utter ignorance here. I am in the process of putting
together the next issue of LExicon mag and I seem to recall that there
is going to be some sort of show by Ivan soon. Can anyone fill me in on
this? I know I should have been reading the postings, but simply have
not had the time. I would love tomention it in the next issue (or if it
has already happened maybe someone has a quick review?)
Thanks
-Dave Richards
>>
We would prefer you not mention the show in your magazine, if you are talking
of the private show this summer for members of the Mailing List Only. Thanks!
Angie
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Junos "fixed"
Date: 19 Mar 1998 16:59:40 -0500
I heard that "The Spell" (as in the song) is up for a Juno. Why on Earth is
THAT song chosen when there were others which were RELEASED AS SINGLES? i
do not mena to sound mean, but "Open Your eyes", "Superbadgirls" and "1972"
are much better than "The Spell" in the category it was nominated for.
Besides, the Junos are fixed anyway.
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) ICQ
Date: 19 Mar 1998 17:00:09 EST
Is anybody here on ICQ? I would like to add some users to my contact list and
if anyone is interested, just e-mail me with your ICQ # and I will add you.
Then you can add me, and we'll chat sometime about the Hats, the show, or life
in general.
:-)
Angie
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From: <pleh@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Junos "fixed"
Date: 19 Mar 1998 15:13:34 -0800 (PST)
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Daniele Rossi wrote:
>
> I heard that "The Spell" (as in the song) is up for a Juno. Why on Earth is
> THAT song chosen when there were others which were RELEASED AS SINGLES? i
> do not mena to sound mean, but "Open Your eyes", "Superbadgirls" and "1972"
> are much better than "The Spell" in the category it was nominated for.
I have exactly the opposite reaction- I think "The Spell" is far and away
the best song on the album.
dave
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From: "Woodrow W. Zenfell, III" <woody@arl.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Junos "fixed"
Date: 19 Mar 1998 18:06:59 -0600 (CST)
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 pleh@netcom.com wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Daniele Rossi wrote:
>
> > I heard that "The Spell" (as in the song) is up for a Juno. Why on Earth is
> > THAT song chosen when there were others which were RELEASED AS SINGLES? i
> > do not mena to sound mean, but "Open Your eyes", "Superbadgirls" and "1972"
> > are much better than "The Spell" in the category it was nominated for.
>
> I have exactly the opposite reaction- I think "The Spell" is far and away
> the best song on the album.
Which _I_ find amusing, since IMO "Forever" is the "standout track" on the
album - nothing else really compares (closest is Open Your Eyes, with The
Spell somewhere behind that).
But I note that Daniele wrote "in the category it was nominated for".. I
don't know what that category is, so if that limits the range of songs
that "qualify"......
Incidentally, my college a cappella group "The Amateurs" will be
performing Forever at our annual concert two days from now. I'll see what
I can do about getting a recording of it and passing it on :)
(For those who joined in the last 6 months or so, The Amateurs have
released a CD with 16 studio-recorded tracks, including Ban the Game
(short) and Where To ( :) ) The Boys Go?. Let me know if you're
interested.)
Take care,
Woody
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 19 Mar 1998 20:18:17 -0500
Ok... for the performance we have CD writers, minidisc recorders, DAT
machines, an opening act or two, a DJ, someone to videotape the event, and a
Q&A segment. I say we get someone else with a video camera and....make a
movie! Abba did it, the Beatles did it, heck even the Spice Girls.
We can have it based on a bunch of mailing list members travel to Montreal
(the rest of Canada, US, even Europe!). Skits with carpooling. the huge
group of us on a rampage to all the record stores to find their CDs. Me
trying to speak French but accidentally cause some sort of unity riot.
Somehow we'll find a plot. In between, we'll have clips of Ivan's
performances at the private concert. And we'll all wear the MWH t-shirts.
Ivan went to film school didn't he? I'm sure he won't mind editing the film
and releasing it in the local theatres :)
Actually, the film would be better if the concert was during the St. Jean
Baptiste festival. That way, we can wear blue MWH shirts and totally blend
in with the crowd! We can have cameos too.
We can call it...um...."Ivan the movie" or "Men Without Hats--The Movie" or
"Hatworld".
Following the Men Without Hats style, the dialogue in the film will be half
French and half English.
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Junos "fixed"
Date: 19 Mar 1998 20:17:18 -0500
>Really?? Are they fixed??
>You know that for sure?
>Some people (like my brother) say the Grammies are fixed and I am inclined to
>believe it.
I am sorry that I accused the Junos being fixed without any reasons to back
me up :)
A friend of mine is in the music business (kinda, he's a DJ but he goes to
all the conferences etc and meets all the people on the inside). He told me
some stories he heard (basically he put 2 and 2 together).
What happened was a performer did not win best dance artist or something 2
years ago. He is on the board of the Junos or something like that or the
head of a big dance music record label (I forget which). He got realy angry
and blasted the Junos. So suddenly, he wins the following year even though
his song was from the previous year (!) and the single he was up against
(only 2 were nominated) was number 1 for an eternity. That's why I think
they are fixed. I mean, "The Spell" gets nominated when it wasn't
released?! Everyone knows "Open Your Eyes" and "Superbadgirls" is always on
the radio. I think "the Spell" wasn't even released on promo-only 12" either.
In my opinion, I think all award shows are fixed in one way or another (gee,
I wonder what movie will get a million awards?). Especially the music ones
:( I won't get into this because this is the Men Without Hats mailing list :)
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Radio In The 1980s
Date: 19 Mar 1998 19:01:53 -0500 (EST)
Hey All!
I just made some revisions to my website and the instructions I gave
earlier to access my "Radio Waves Museum" have changed.
Go to:
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/index.htm
Click on the first Acid Purple Flower you see.
Then click on the little boombox icon.
You can run your pointer across the images for a text description of
what each icon is for, btw, fyi, xyz, abc.
Myke
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Fwd: Lexicon
Date: 19 Mar 1998 20:37:54 EST
<< > In a message dated 98-03-19 17:01:33 EST, guerue@pop.erols.com writes:
>
> << Thanks!
> See this is why I have to pay attention! :-) I won't mention anything.
> -Dave
Thank you!!!
Angie
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From: BDay0000 <BDay0000@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Safety Dance Video - VH1
Date: 19 Mar 1998 21:55:55 EST
Could someone post to the list all of the Pop-Ups from the video?
Thanks,
Brad Day
Atlanta, GA
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From: "damien.delhase" <damien.delhase@lesoir.be>
Subject: (hats) www.holdman.com is down:-(((((
Date: 20 Mar 1998 11:08:28 +0100
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Le Soir en Ligne Phone: +32-2-225.53.12
112, rue Royale E-Mail: dd@lesoir.be
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Subject: (hats) Ok, thanks to god, it is back to life:-)
Date: 20 Mar 1998 11:12:45 +0100
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From: Ralph Deiterding <ralph@mks.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 20 Mar 1998 10:37:40 +0000
ADTooley wrote:
>
> We would prefer you not mention the show in your magazine, if you are talking
> of the private show this summer for members of the Mailing List Only. Thanks!
> Angie
I can't say that I'm part of that 'we' although I am also a member of
this mailing list. I don't know about other list members, but this
seems a little restrictive and 'elitist' to me.
Just because some fans may not yet have stubled across this list, or may
not have access to e-mail, I can't see it hurting to give the show a
little more promotion. I wouldn't suggest putting ads in local
newspapers about the show, but slightly expanding the potential audience
wouldn't be a terrible thing in my mind.
Dave, I'm not sure of how many copies of your magazine go out, but I
can't imagine that it would add very many people to the show.
Considering that people would have to be in the Montreal area, or
willing to travel great distances to see this particular show. I'm near
Toronto which is about a six or seven hour drive, not that far in the
big scheme of things and I haven't been able to decide whether to go or
not yet myself.
Could the article not mention the mailing list to get further
information?
Just my two cents,
Ralph
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Junos "fixed"
Date: 20 Mar 1998 11:48:26 -0500
Daniele Rossi a =E9crit:
>=20
> I heard that "The Spell" (as in the song) is up for a Juno. Why on Ear=
th is
> THAT song chosen when there were others which were RELEASED AS SINGLES?=
i
> do not mena to sound mean, but "Open Your eyes", "Superbadgirls" and "1=
972"
> are much better than "The Spell" in the category it was nominated for.
All the nominations are based on what is proposed by the record industry.=
If
The Spell is up, it's because it's the song that was proposed by TOX reco=
rd.
But are you sure it is not the album that is in nomination?
> Besides, the Junos are fixed anyway.
Sadly...
Take care
Claude
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) ICQ
Date: 20 Mar 1998 11:53:13 -0500
ADTooley a =E9crit:
>=20
> Is anybody here on ICQ?
A quick reminder (hey, if Angie is not aware of that, it's unlikely she's
alone in that situation). On the Who's Who on the mailing list (
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/whoswho_mwh.html ) you wi=
ll
find the ICQ number of all hatters...
Take care
Claude
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 20 Mar 1998 12:47:23 EST
In a message dated 98-03-19 20:15:05 EST, daniele@interlog.com writes:
>
> Ok... for the performance we have CD writers, minidisc recorders, DAT
> machines, an opening act or two, a DJ, someone to videotape the event, and
a
> Q&A segment. I say we get someone else with a video camera and....make a
> movie! Abba did it, the Beatles did it, heck even the Spice Girls.
>
*aherm!*
you DARE compare Ivan/MWH to THE SPICE GIRLS??!??!?!?
*indignant glare*
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) oops!
Date: 20 Mar 1998 12:57:03 -0500
> > THAT song chosen when there were others which were RELEASED AS SINGLES? i
>> > do not mena to sound mean, but "Open Your eyes", "Superbadgirls" and "1972"
>> > are much better than "The Spell" in the category it was nominated for.
>>
>> I have exactly the opposite reaction- I think "The Spell" is far and away
>> the best song on the album.
>
>Which _I_ find amusing, since IMO "Forever" is the "standout track" on the
>album - nothing else really compares (closest is Open Your Eyes, with The
>Spell somewhere behind that).
OOPS! I did not mean to imply that "The Spell" wasn't a good song or the
others I listed were better. I only meant that "The Spell" was nominated in
the dance single category. I hardly refer to "The Spell" as a dance song :)
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) did anyone know? (II)
Date: 20 Mar 1998 14:45:48 EST
Subj: did anyone know? - safety dance video
just wondering.... did anyone else know that the safety dance video is a
representation of the typical wiccan/pagan beltane (mayday) ceremonies?- they
do a parade every year in padstow, england. they have the hobby horse, Punch
(played in the video by stefan, i believe), (his stick is known as "the tease
or tease stick) and the morris dancers. oh yeah- and all the traditional
beltane masques so many folks are wearing. and i am sure you've all long
since noticed the punk rockers just hanging around in the background. just
wondering if anyone knew.......
Adieu aerechui.
ps
has anyone been able to tell what the pin on ivan's jerkin says?
: )
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: (hats) NC Chapter meeting minutes
Date: 20 Mar 1998 14:58:01 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Wow! Trena and I just got back not too long ago from the Triangle
Chapter meeting of the MWH fan club. Our special guest was of course
Per-Johan Josefsson from Sweden. What an extremely sweet guy! PJ, it
was sooooo nice to meet you - I hope we can get together again
another time (and next time, lunch is on Trena and me!)
We converged on the Chili's in Cary, and we were all immdediately
identifiable to each other by our glorious MWH T-shirts. Trena and
I have white shirts, and PJ's is orange. When we were seated, PJ
asked the host and hostess if they could put his Collection CD on,
but their sound system only did Muzak. Bummer, but it was a nice
try! We confused the waiter terribly by all ordering different
amounts of ice in our sodas. He asked where PJ was from, and seemed
really surprised that PJ is from Sweden. Then he asked Trena where
she was from (Zebulon, NC, about 1 hr away! - duh!). He didn't care
where I was from, apparently. :-)
PJ tried "country fried steak," which for those of you who are not
familiar with southern U.S cooking, is a steak that is breaded and
fried like a piece of fried chicken. I had chicken and pasta in a
spicy cream sauce, and Trena had a turkey club sandwich (and I stole
some of her fries). The chicken noodle soup at Chili's is very
good, btw.
Topics of discussion included the concert in Montreal last summer and
meeting other Hatters then; meeting Ivan, Collin, Sahara, and Betty
and Eugene; the various boots, particularly #s 4 and 5; and the
upcoming "musical book signing." We talked about when was the first
time we heard MWH (Safety Dance for all of us - Trena and PJ on the
radio, me on MTV). We also talked about some of the reactions we
have gotten to our Ts. PJ was at a synth festival in Stockholm, and
many people there recognized the design - very heartwarming!!! I
told the ambulance story again, and Trena told her story about the
people in the fondue restaurant in Montreal that thought we were some
kind of doomsday cult or something. Two or three people in the
restaurant came up and asked us what our shirts were, and one woman
thought we were with the band. OK, I have big hair, but I don't
think I look the least bit like that chick in the Safety Dance video!
Like the intellectual giant I am, I forgot to bring my camera, but it
was PJ to the rescue! Do they have Boy Scouts in Sweden? Be
prepared!! :-) We got a waiter to take some pictures of us with
PJ's camera, and I really REALLY hope they come out!
We also talked about pets (sort of an inescapable topic with me -
btw, I know where you can get a really sweet little cat - just ask
me!), US and Swedish culture, and the ineptitude of various
countries' border crossing officials.
PJ is really sweet and nice, and has a great sense of humor, and I
hope we all get a chance to hang out together a lot in Montreal this
summer.
Well, that's it for the meeting minutes! Can't wait to do it again
sometime!!!!!!!!!
:-) Laura
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) nomination & video question
Date: 20 Mar 1998 16:58:26 -0500
>All the nominations are based on what is proposed by the record industry. If
>The Spell is up, it's because it's the song that was proposed by TOX record.
>But are you sure it is not the album that is in nomination?
I double-checked with my friend and made sure the category was indeed single
and not album. Actually, he's the one who I find out which songs of Ivan's
are on promo because he is always saying "Ivan has a new song out you
probably did not hear yet" and I reply saying I have the CD :)
So I kept telling him "Are you sure it's for single and not album?". He had
the list of nominations in his hands and under single (something like best
dance single) it said "The Spell" by Ivan. He never received that on promo.
Only "Open Your Eyes" and "Superbadgirls" which he did not accept!!
---
I was watching the "Open Your Eyes" video today and noticed that Ivan has a
tattoo on his arm. You can't see it clearly but, well might as well ask,
does anyone know what it is? :) My other question about the video is is
that woman (sitting beside Ivan who sings part of the backup) the VJ from
MusiquePlus who is now at MuchMusic? I forgot her name. She is the one who
leads Electric Circus.
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 20 Mar 1998 17:43:07 EST
In a message dated 98-03-20 16:25:48 EST, daniele@interlog.com writes:
>
> >> Q&A segment. I say we get someone else with a video camera and....make
a
> >> movie! Abba did it, the Beatles did it, heck even the Spice Girls.
> >>
> >*aherm!*
> >
> >you DARE compare Ivan/MWH to THE SPICE GIRLS??!??!?!?
> >
> >*indignant glare*
> >
> >-C-
> >
> >
>
> Actually they do bear a striking resemblance! Ivan Spice.
>
> (aherm...it was only a reference to groups making movies <grin>)
>
> It's lunch time and I'm off to make cream of mushroom soup. :)
>
> Bye !
>
heehee....actually i've always preferred `allspice', myself;)
ttyl,
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From: AJP1313 <AJP1313@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) NC Chapter meeting minutes
Date: 20 Mar 1998 17:44:45 EST
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
I'm feeling really stupid right now. Ever since Laura left me a message about
the NC MWH get together I'd planned on going. Even though my days are usually
pretty nuts, I figured meeting at a restaurant only a 5 minute drive from my
house was absolutely doable. Every day recently I thought: "Gotta go on
Friday!" So what happens? I completely forgot until about 5pm, far too late.
So, ... grrrrrrrrr.
Maybe there'll be another meeting before I move to Chicago this summer. I
hope. I really wanted to be there.
-Andrew Pepoy
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Subject: (hats) I wish he'd make up his mind, eh? *???*
Date: 20 Mar 1998 18:03:10 EST
Hmmm..just when you think that the mystery is FINALLY clearing up...you run
across something like THIS:
Have you kept in touch with your two co-stars from "The Safety Dance" video?
It's like there are so many videos, so many actors -- you work together for,
like, one day, and that's it forever. The little guy played Og in Time
Bandits, the character who turned into a pig at the end. The girl, as I
recall, she was a good friend of Bananarama's.
contact: http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_05.15.97/music/weisblott.html
for the whole scoop......i imagine that most of you have already seen this,
but, just in case, i thought that a few of you might get a kick out of this;)
*titled: A Guy Called Ivan*
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: Nikolai81 <Nikolai81@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 20 Mar 1998 23:12:45 EST
In a message dated 98-03-19 20:15:05 EST, daniele@interlog.com writes:
> Ok... for the performance we have CD writers, minidisc recorders, DAT
> machines, an opening act or two, a DJ, someone to videotape the event, and
a
> Q&A segment. I say we get someone else with a video camera and....make a
> movie! Abba did it, the Beatles did it, heck even the Spice Girls.
>
> We can have it based on a bunch of mailing list members travel to Montreal
> (the rest of Canada, US, even Europe!). Skits with carpooling. the huge
> group of us on a rampage to all the record stores to find their CDs. Me
> trying to speak French but accidentally cause some sort of unity riot.
> Somehow we'll find a plot. In between, we'll have clips of Ivan's
> performances at the private concert. And we'll all wear the MWH t-shirts.
> Ivan went to film school didn't he? I'm sure he won't mind editing the
film
> and releasing it in the local theatres :)
>
> Actually, the film would be better if the concert was during the St. Jean
> Baptiste festival. That way, we can wear blue MWH shirts and totally blend
> in with the crowd! We can have cameos too.
I like it! Who's in?? ;)
> We can call it...um...."Ivan the movie" or "Men Without Hats--The Movie"
or
> "Hatworld".
I like your idea, but if you call it "Hatworld", I'm coming after you. With a
zucchini. Have a nice day.
--Nick
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From: Janet Lumb <janali@total.net>
Subject: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #43
Date: 20 Mar 1998 23:49:32 -0500 (EST)
Did anyone else see Ivan performing "Open your Eyes" or "Superbadgirls" on
the CTV
show "Camilla Scott" it was great, during the interview he said he would be
doing another MWH
album..pretty interesting.
LOGMAN.
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 21 Mar 1998 08:09:01 -0500 (EST)
In response to the minimovie that is being considered, I would like to
give it a go, that is, if I'm even going. We should consider a Depeche
Mode 101 style, with a miniplot to back it up.
Nathan
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 21 Mar 1998 08:11:32 -0500 (EST)
I would have to 1/2 agree with Ralph. I think that the mention of this
concert would be great, that is, in Dave's magazine. However, I don't
think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats fans
have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you've
probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, never
stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?
Nathan
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #43
Date: 21 Mar 1998 08:24:00 -0500 (EST)
I hope that you Got those live performances on tape! That would be
spiffy. Did Ivan elaborate on the new MWH album idea, such as when and who?
Nathan
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- Update
Date: 21 Mar 1998 11:33:25 EST
Again, and again, No news good news.
I spoke to Dave Byrne Tuesday. He told me EVERYTHING was in Ivan's hands.
I guess he has to talk to his brothers and try to fix this show properly.
AS SSSOOOOON I have any news, I'll let you know.
Arvedissen
Ciao
Aurevoir
Francis
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 21 Mar 1998 14:01:53 -0600
"101"! No, I think more like "Spinal Tap" would be in order....
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
In response to the minimovie that is being considered, I would like to
give it a go, that is, if I'm even going. We should consider a Depeche
Mode 101 style, with a miniplot to back it up.
Nathan
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 21 Mar 1998 16:14:44 EST
In a message dated 98-03-21 16:13:38 EST, you write:
<< In a message dated 98-03-21 08:15:28 EST, Nathan writes:
<<I don't
>think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
>members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats fans
>have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you've
>probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, never
>stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?>>
Sort of. I have a feeling there are a lot of diehard fans who have not
discovered the internet yet. I was one of them until late last year.
The reasoning behind not wanting to promote this show publicly is to keep the
atmosphere intimate and relaxed. It would be nice to get the Hats list
together,
and our friends & family, and not have to worry about party crashers and the
general
public. Simple is best.
Angie
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From: Nikolai81 <Nikolai81@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 21 Mar 1998 20:52:39 EST
In a message dated 98-03-21 08:15:28 EST, you write:
> I would have to 1/2 agree with Ralph. I think that the mention of this
> concert would be great, that is, in Dave's magazine. However, I don't
> think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
> members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats fans
> have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you've
> probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, never
> stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?
I agree with your idea, but if it was restricted to us online members only,
what about the Hats fans in Montreal or other Hats members who don't have
internet access? (I know, "...but then how would they know about the concert,
anyway?")
It's just that there are still ways to get info other than the internet. I for
one have forgotten them all because of the terminal in front of me but
still...
--Nick
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Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon OOPS
Date: 21 Mar 1998 20:55:01 EST
In a message dated 98-03-21 16:16:34 EST, ADTooley@aol.com writes:
> Sort of. I have a feeling there are a lot of diehard fans who have not
> discovered the internet yet. I was one of them until late last year.
>
> The reasoning behind not wanting to promote this show publicly is to keep
> the
> atmosphere intimate and relaxed. It would be nice to get the Hats list
> together,
> and our friends & family, and not have to worry about party crashers and
the
> general
> public. Simple is best.
>
> Angie
Well put!
Sorry, Hatters. I guess I have to read ALL my mail before I respond to
postings, huh? ;)
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 22 Mar 1998 12:01:14 -0500
At 02:01 PM 3/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>"101"! No, I think more like "Spinal Tap" would be in order....
>
>Cordially,
>Rush
Seeing that Barney the dinosaur has a movie out, that can be the perfect
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 22 Mar 1998 13:02:52 -0500
Nathan Shireman a =E9crit:
>=20
> I don't
> think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
> members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats f=
ans
> have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you'=
ve
> probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, neve=
r
> stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?
Yes, except for at least 90% of the perfectly legit true diehard hats fan=
who
don't have access to internet. Talk about elitism! And I guess it would b=
e bad
for Ivan to have to many fans attending the concert...
Claude
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: (hats) Public show, NOT
Date: 22 Mar 1998 12:20:12 -0600
Folks, we aren't a gov't organization with a mandate to be *fair* and *PC*,
here. We are organizing a concert we want to go to. Simple as that. If
Ivan wanted to tour again as Mw/oH, he can, those 90% diehard fans can see
him then. Worry not about what other people are doing, worry about
yourself. Besides, Francis has demonstrated his leadership in this, I'm
sure this discussion is null and void. I AM being elitist: I couldn't care
less about the others, and I don't want them there. For the first time, a
concert along the lines of "An Evening With [insert band name here]" will be
just that: quiet and intimate. No following star to hotel, no freezing at
stage entrance, nothing, no fighting to sneak backstage. If we are being
elitist, and you don't like it, it is the same as that whole boot
discussion: don't buy one, don't go to the concert. 'Nuff said.
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
-----Original Message-----
Yes, except for at least 90% of the perfectly legit true diehard hats
fan who
don't have access to internet. Talk about elitism! And I guess it would
be bad
for Ivan to have to many fans attending the concert...
Claude
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From: Dave <guerue@erols.com>
Subject: (hats) Lexicon, Ivan,
Date: 22 Mar 1998 14:44:55 -0500
Hi,
Sorry to cause a commotion about all of this. I am not going to mention
the concert in the next issue. However, it would be nice to have a
review of the show should it go on. If there is anyone out there who
would like to see their stuff in print you can email me a review. I
hope the show does come off as planned.
-Dave Richards
Managing Editor
Lexicon
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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <kajjia@xts.net>
Subject: (hats) QQ...
Date: 22 Mar 1998 11:42:56 -0800
Quick question folks...what does "O Sole Mio" mean?
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Public show, NOT
Date: 22 Mar 1998 15:02:53 -0500
Rush a =E9crit:
>=20
> Folks, we aren't a gov't organization with a mandate to be *fair* and *=
PC*,
> here. We are organizing a concert we want to go to. Simple as that. =
If
> Ivan wanted to tour again as Mw/oH, he can, those 90% diehard fans can =
see
> him then. Worry not about what other people are doing, worry about
> yourself. Besides, Francis has demonstrated his leadership in this, I'=
m
> sure this discussion is null and void. I AM being elitist: I couldn't=
care
> less about the others, and I don't want them there. For the first time=
, a
> concert along the lines of "An Evening With [insert band name here]" wi=
ll be
> just that: quiet and intimate. No following star to hotel, no freezing=
at
> stage entrance, nothing, no fighting to sneak backstage. If we are bei=
ng
> elitist, and you don't like it, it is the same as that whole boot
> discussion: don't buy one, don't go to the concert. 'Nuff said.
I sincerely hope you are not the typical MWH fan. That would be extremly =
sad.
I know we aren't a gov't organization with a mandate to be *fair* and *PC=
*.
That doesn't mean we have to act like assholes...
Claude
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From: X <arggg@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) rush-relax!
Date: 22 Mar 1998 15:08:02 -0500 (EST)
MAKE IT PUBLIC !!!
LETS KEEP THE VENUE SMALL AND INTIMATE- AND PACK IT WITH FANS ! (LIST OR NO
LIST)
CLAUDE WRITES:
Yes, except for at least 90% of the perfectly legit true diehard hats
fans who
don't have access to internet. Talk about elitism!
I AGREE
Rush writes...
you don't like it, ............. don't go to the concert.
?????!!!!????????
Im happy to say that rush is NOT speaking on my behalf.
Wolfgang
Wolfgang
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) VH1 PICTURES!!!
Date: 22 Mar 1998 18:36:42 -0500 (EST)
Eric,
You said that you had the VH1 picts. on the internet but my
internet viewer can't view them. Anybody else have this problem?
COllin
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) QQ...
Date: 22 Mar 1998 18:44:42 -0500
At 11:42 AM 3/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Quick question folks...what does "O Sole Mio" mean?
Literally translated from Italian is "Or my sun". Not literally translated
would be "Oh my sun".
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #43
Date: 22 Mar 1998 18:45:37 -0500 (EST)
Janet said:
Did anyone else see Ivan performing "Open your Eyes" or "Superbadgirls" on
...Ivan said he was going to do another MWH album.
Collin asks:
Did anybody tape this?
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) QQ...
Date: 22 Mar 1998 18:50:58 -0500 (EST)
I thought "O Sole Mio" meant Oh, Lonely me!
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) QQ...
Date: 22 Mar 1998 19:02:01 EST
In a message dated 98-03-22 18:55:14 EST, Collin write:
<< I thought "O Sole Mio" meant Oh, Lonely me!
Collin at Ithaca
>>
That's what *I* thought!
Angie
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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <kajjia@xts.net>
Subject: (hats) O Sole Mio
Date: 22 Mar 1998 16:15:53 -0800
Thanks all for your help, but what is it? Or my sun, or Oh lonely me? Oh
lonely me would make more sense, however, I would still like to be sure.
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re:Lexicon
Date: 22 Mar 1998 19:29:43 EST
In a message dated 98-03-21 16:16:34 EST, ADTooley@aol.com writes:
>
> Sort of. I have a feeling there are a lot of diehard fans who have not
> discovered the internet yet. I was one of them until late last year.
>
> The reasoning behind not wanting to promote this show publicly is to keep
> the
> atmosphere intimate and relaxed. It would be nice to get the Hats list
> together,
> and our friends & family, and not have to worry about party crashers and
the
> general
> public. Simple is best.
>
> Angie
>
i agree...ultimately, WE (ie: the LIST!) are the ones making this happen, with
the primary purpose being a show for LIST users, and their respective
others/family/friends/etc. as a small, intimate thank you for Ivan & co. ...
to give the general public knowledge of/ access to this event would only make
it into a circus...something i believe that ALL parties involved would like to
avoid at all costs....
my $0.02, with some change ;)
Charlotte
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) O Sole Mio
Date: 22 Mar 1998 19:37:13 -0500
>Thanks all for your help, but what is it? Or my sun, or Oh lonely me? Oh
>lonely me would make more sense, however, I would still like to be sure.
>Catch ya latez!
>
Good thing I'm still online :) It's "Oh My Sun".
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Subject: Re: (hats) an idea (just a joke)
Date: 22 Mar 1998 19:33:29 EST
In a message dated 98-03-22 11:58:00 EST, daniele@interlog.com writes:
>
>
> Seeing that Barney the dinosaur has a movie out, that can be the perfect
> cameo! We can get Marc Durand to put on a Barney suit, give Ivan a
> stick..... ;) I see a scene in my mind!--- Pinata party! Background
music
> can be "Pop Goes The World".
>
first you're comparing this to the Spice girls...now BARNEY??!?!??!??!?
may i be the first to burn you at the stake, pal;)
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Lexicon, Ivan,
Date: 22 Mar 1998 19:38:39 EST
In a message dated 98-03-22 14:44:47 EST, guerue@erols.com writes:
>
> Hi,
> Sorry to cause a commotion about all of this. I am not going to mention
> the concert in the next issue. However, it would be nice to have a
> review of the show should it go on. If there is anyone out there who
> would like to see their stuff in print you can email me a review. I
> hope the show does come off as planned.
> -Dave Richards
> Managing Editor
> Lexicon
>
publishing the results of the concert, the related carnage and the ensuing
aftermath *ah, the HORROR!*, shouldn't be a problem...just don't promote the
darn thing, eh? ;)
-C-
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Subject: (hats) Greatest Hats
Date: 22 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0700
I was wondering if any of the Canadian list members would be willing to lend me a hand in getting a copy of the "Greatest Hats" CD?
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Subject: Re: (hats) rush-relax!
Date: 22 Mar 1998 22:57:14 -0500
Rush Do Not Relax !!!!!!!!
I Agree with you 100%
the people on this list have waited a long time for this concert. I for
one
would hate to get all the way to Montreal from Florida and have the best
seats taken by some enterprising scalper that heard about this concert
because it went public.
all of us on the list have friends who may not have computers but are still
die hard fans of MWH, if you would like to bring them along fine... but to
make this very special event a public one, would undermine all of the
effort
that went into it to begin with.
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) rush-relax!
Date: 22 Mar 1998 23:30:39 -0600
No kidding. I see the ticket brokers in Chicago on almost a daily basis,
and they would LOVE a thing like this, they would scarf up the tickets and
gouge the hell out of the truly loyal fans. I didn't even think to bring
this up. Boy would some of the regulars on this list be ticked if they
couldn't get tickets or had to pay $200.00 for them.
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
Rush Do Not Relax !
the people on this list have waited a long time for this concert. I for
one
would hate to get all the way to Montreal from Florida and have the best
seats taken by some enterprising scalper that heard about this concert
because it went public.
Avi
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) POP UP VIDEO PICS
Date: 22 Mar 1998 23:21:33 -0800
Hatters-
I converted the Pop-Up Video pics from Bitmaps to Gifs. They now download
quicker and straight to your browser. They are at
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom/vh1.html.
Eric Soderblom
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: (hats) some clarifications
Date: 23 Mar 1998 02:38:34 -0500
Rush a =E9crit:
>=20
> No kidding. I see the ticket brokers in Chicago on almost a daily basi=
s,
> and they would LOVE a thing like this, they would scarf up the tickets =
and
> gouge the hell out of the truly loyal fans. I didn't even think to bri=
ng
> this up. Boy would some of the regulars on this list be ticked if they
> couldn't get tickets or had to pay $200.00 for them.
Avi a =E9crit:
>=20
> Rush Do Not Relax !
> the people on this list have waited a long time for this concert. =
I for
> one
> would hate to get all the way to Montreal from Florida and have the=
best
> seats taken by some enterprising scalper that heard about this conc=
ert
> because it went public.
With your permission Francis, I would like to clarify some things for our
mixed friends here; First we are looking for a small venue. The show will=
be
VERY INTIMATE (even if it is publicized to death). Second, the seats are =
not
numbered, all the seats are GOOD (the venue being quite small). Last, no
"scalpers" will have access to those tickets. Tickets will be sold to fan=
s.
Priority (obviously) to the mailing list, then to general public. And we =
won't
sell more tickets than there are available seats!
Now, don't relax if you want
Claude (le m=E9n=E9e dans l'eau chaude)
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) POP UP VIDEO PICS
Date: 23 Mar 1998 07:14:23 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 02:23:37 EST, you write:
<< Hatters-
I converted the Pop-Up Video pics from Bitmaps to Gifs. They now download
quicker and straight to your browser. They are at
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom/vh1.html.
Eric Soderblom
soderblom@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom >>
Nice job --- I think every single pop-up is in there! Now give us some really
nice pictures for wallpaper!!!!!
Angie
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: (hats) concert
Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:02:17 -0500
Hello everyone,
Man what a flame war this list has become!
We should all just leave it up to Francis and calm down. And we should
thank Angie for getting the wheels rolling in the very beginning and just
leave it at that.
Our motivation should be -- "make it to the show".
I can't understand why everyone would waste their time worrying about --
Who gets the credit for putting this together. who cares?
I think the only way to win is to make it to the show, right?
None of us will make it to the show if we bother Francis with complicated
details, until he just gives up trying. We should let ONE person worry
about it and leave it at that. 2,3,4, or 5 people trying to give their
opinions will just make it that harder for Francis to cut a deal.
And remember......
Hugo and Ivan read messages off this list from time to time....
just an opinion.....
Tom
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) nomination & video question
Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:06:27 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Daniele said . . .
> . . . Ivan has a tattoo on his arm. . .. does anyone know what
> it is? :)
It's the symbol for Libra, Ivan's horoscope sign.
Does anyone know the outcome of the Juno awards?
T-shirts are ordered and should be ready by the 1st of April!
L8R, T8Rs!
:-) Laura
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: (hats) boots 6,7,8
Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:15:58 -0500
Good news.........
Mr. Somebody2 is nearly finished remastering boots 6 & 7.
He said that I should have them by the end of the month.
Now I realize that everyone will want one of these.
The only question is : who will be able to mass duplicate these when they
are ready?
Richard Holdman, Are you burned out yet? (excuse the pun).
If not, I am prepared to get you a set the very same day that I receive
them.
I will be willing to pay for your set if you can find the time to continue
your good work for the list.
Russ Kemsley,
You may need to take over for Richard at this point. Richard did do like
80 sets for us.
If both of you guys are too busy, then I will try and make as many sets as
I can with my slow 2X CD burner.
Now for CD#8:
This is the Lee's Palace Ivan concert from 1997. ITs NOT the Duran Duran
show. I have heard the Duran Duran/IVAN tape and this sounds much better.
It is NOT the same guy that taped the Ivan/Duran show.
Although, it does sound 10X better than the Duran tape, the quality is
still not CD quality like the other boots.
I am going to send Richard a CD#8 so that he can upload it to his MP3 site.
Then you can all download the tracks as see if it sounds good or not.
Then perhaps Richard can burn those too, or maybe Russ, it all depends.
Now for the big news:
What is on CDs 6&7?
Direct Soundboard recordings of 2 1984 complete concerts.
The quality varies from good (ROY live quality) to a little hissy depending
on which part of the cassette is playing onto the CD.
Some parts of the cassette sound better than any other hats concert.
Remember this is 1st generation cassette deck hooked directly into one of
the hats keyboards, its their tape for God's sake.
I will post the tracklisting next.
Richard and Russ, please e-mail me soon so we can decide who will do what
etc etc etc. :-)
Tom
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: (hats) boots tracklisting
Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:22:33 -0500
CD#6
Men Without Hats - Live Edmonton, Alberta
August 27, 1984
1. Freeways
2. Antarctica
3. Ban the Game
4. Living In China
5. I Know Their Name
6. Messiahs Die Young
7. Ideas For Walls
8. Eurotheme
9. Things In my Life
10. I Like
11. Safety Dance
12. I got the message (cut off)
13. Where Do the Boys Go?
14. Editions of You
15. Moderne Dancing
CD#7
Men Without Hats - Live in Washington, DC
date unknown but same leg of tour
1. Utter Space
2. Antarctica
3. Ban the Game
4. Living In China
5. I know their name
6. Messiahs Die Young
7. Ideas For Walls
8. Eurotheme
9. Things In My life
10. Where Do the Boys Go?
11. Safety Dance
12. Mother's Opinion
13. Unsatisfaction
14. I got the message
15. Security
16. Moderne Dancing
16 tracks - no breaks. The longest complete show recorded possibly. :-)
Tom
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan NXNE live CD#8
Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:26:06 -0500
CD#8
Ivan - N X NE 1997
1st gen audience recording - Lee's Palace Toronto - North by Northeast
Festival
June 14, 1997
1. WWW
2. Superbadgirls
3. Open Your Eyes
4. 1972
5. The Spell
6. Wonderwall
7. I Feel Love
8. Pop Goes the World
9. Safety Dance
As you can see this is not the same cassette that has been going around the
list. This one sounds 10X better.
Tom
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) on second thought
Date: 23 Mar 1998 11:37:46 -0500
I've thought about it and Avi is right. It is best if we keep this private
concert a secret among ourselves and our fellow internet-less hats fans. I
wouldn't want a scalper taking seats from us, or perhaps the media getting
in the way. Besides, now that Francis has told us that it is Ivan's
decision now, if he prefers a public concert, I'm sure we won't mind at all.
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) how do we get tickets?
Date: 23 Mar 1998 11:38:00 -0500
Here is something I thought of. How do we get tickets? One way is by mail
I guess, but what it they get lost or don't arrive on time? Picking them up
at the venue? FedEx?
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) some clarifications
Date: 23 Mar 1998 10:49:55 -0600
Claude, if a ticket company is used (like Ticketmaster in the US), not only
will the brokers have access to the tickets, they will have access to the
vast majority of them. Example, the Stones are playing their final show in
the United Center in Chicago on Apr. 23. 23,000 tickets were sold in less
than eight minutes when they went on sale at 10am. Why? Because only about
4,000 tickets were actually sold to fans. The rest were gone before they
went on sale.
If we get priority, and the venue is tiny, then no problem, but then
once again, this point is moot, we can promote it all we want and it won't
matter. It's only the list that is going.
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
-----Original Message-----
From: Claude GrΘgoire <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
> No kidding. I see the ticket brokers in Chicago on almost a daily
basis,
> and they would LOVE a thing like this, they would scarf up the tickets
and
> gouge the hell out of the truly loyal fans. I didn't even think to
bring
> this up. Boy would some of the regulars on this list be ticked if
they
> couldn't get tickets or had to pay $200.00 for them.
With your permission Francis, I would like to clarify some things for
our
mixed friends here; First we are looking for a small venue. The show
will be
VERY INTIMATE (even if it is publicized to death). Second, the seats are
not
numbered, all the seats are GOOD (the venue being quite small). Last, no
"scalpers" will have access to those tickets. Tickets will be sold to
fans.
Priority (obviously) to the mailing list, then to general public. And we
won't
sell more tickets than there are available seats!
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) some clarifications
Date: 23 Mar 1998 12:13:53 -0500
Rush a =E9crit:
>=20
> Claude, if a ticket company is used (like Ticketmaster in the US), not =
only
> will the brokers have access to the tickets, they will have access to t=
he
> vast majority of them.
Nobody ever mentioned a ticket company! Where did you get that idea? (or =
maybe
you're refering to someone else's post I was not aware of).
> If we get priority, and the venue is tiny, then no problem, but the=
n
> once again, this point is moot, we can promote it all we want and it wo=
n't
> matter. It's only the list that is going.
If you say so... We'll just watch and see ;o)
Take care
Claude
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) some clarifications
Date: 23 Mar 1998 15:05:34 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 02:46:19 EST, gigarpus@videotron.ca writes:
>
> With your permission Francis, I would like to clarify some things for our
> mixed friends here; First we are looking for a small venue. The show will
be
> VERY INTIMATE (even if it is publicized to death). Second, the seats are
not
> numbered, all the seats are GOOD (the venue being quite small). Last, no
> "scalpers" will have access to those tickets. Tickets will be sold to fans.
> Priority (obviously) to the mailing list, then to general public. And we
won'
> t
> sell more tickets than there are available seats!
>
> Now, don't relax if you want
>
> Claude (le mΘnΘe dans l'eau chaude)
>
hi:)
claude, scalpers are not always the easiest of people to spot, or control....
i say let's not tempt fate (ie: publicize this)
ttyl,
-c-
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) concert
Date: 23 Mar 1998 15:10:26 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 09:02:39 EST, tnorman@mail.netwalk.com writes:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Man what a flame war this list has become!
> We should all just leave it up to Francis and calm down. And we should
> thank Angie for getting the wheels rolling in the very beginning and just
> leave it at that.
> Our motivation should be -- "make it to the show".
> I can't understand why everyone would waste their time worrying about --
> Who gets the credit for putting this together. who cares?
> I think the only way to win is to make it to the show, right?
> None of us will make it to the show if we bother Francis with complicated
> details, until he just gives up trying. We should let ONE person worry
> about it and leave it at that. 2,3,4, or 5 people trying to give their
> opinions will just make it that harder for Francis to cut a deal.
>
> And remember......
>
> Hugo and Ivan read messages off this list from time to time....
>
> just an opinion.....
>
> Tom
> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
>
>
>
uh...tom...i don't think that the current dispute is about who's in charge of
this show...that is not the isssue right now...the topic of discussion is
deciding whether or not to make this a public (instead of a private)
event.....
:)
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From: "Woodrow W. Zenfell, III" <woody@arl.wustl.edu>
Subject: (hats) Amateurs concert recording
Date: 23 Mar 1998 14:13:25 -0600 (CST)
Well, I reviewed the recording of Forever from Saturday's concert, and I
wasn't very impressed. The singing was fairly sloppy overall, the soloist
was not particularly outstanding, and the tenor and bass can hardly be
heard on the recording. Nonetheless, if anyone really wants me to try to
get a copy of the Forever performance out there, I will do so. Let me
know if you do.
Take care,
Woody
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) Show
Date: 23 Mar 1998 12:19:59 -0800
OK,
I have been sitting on the sidelines about this whole thing, and I have to
put in my 2 cents. Despite the fact that myself and everyone else on this
list would DIE for tickets to the show, doesn't mean that the whole world
will be clamoring for them. This isn't U2 or the Stones people. Lets be
realistic. I don't see any problem publicizing the show a little bit. And
let Francis deal with it and if he wants help, he will solicit it. It seems
as if everyone is a 'wannabe' concert promoter all of a sudden.
Eric Soderblom
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) concert
Date: 23 Mar 1998 15:45:14 -0500
----------
> From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
> To: tnorman@mail.netwalk.com; hats@xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (hats) concert
> Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 3:10 PM
>
>
> In a message dated 98-03-23 09:02:39 EST, tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
writes:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Man what a flame war this list has become!
> > We should all just leave it up to Francis and calm down. And we
should
> > thank Angie for getting the wheels rolling in the very beginning and
just
> > leave it at that.
> > Our motivation should be -- "make it to the show".
> > I can't understand why everyone would waste their time worrying about
--
> > Who gets the credit for putting this together. who cares?
> > I think the only way to win is to make it to the show, right?
> > None of us will make it to the show if we bother Francis with
complicated
> > details, until he just gives up trying. We should let ONE person
worry
> > about it and leave it at that. 2,3,4, or 5 people trying to give
their
> > opinions will just make it that harder for Francis to cut a deal.
> >
> > And remember......
> >
> > Hugo and Ivan read messages off this list from time to time....
> >
> > just an opinion.....
> >
> > Tom
> > tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
> >
> >
> >
> uh...tom...i don't think that the current dispute is about who's in
charge of
> this show...that is not the isssue right now...the topic of discussion is
> deciding whether or not to make this a public (instead of a private)
> event.....
>
> :)
True,
Hmmmm. Concerning this new issue, I will sit on the sidelines and watch.
Perhaps we should ask Francis what his opinon is?
Tom
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Show
Date: 23 Mar 1998 16:38:35 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 15:23:34 EST, soderblom@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> OK,
> I have been sitting on the sidelines about this whole thing, and I have to
> put in my 2 cents. Despite the fact that myself and everyone else on this
> list would DIE for tickets to the show, doesn't mean that the whole world
> will be clamoring for them. This isn't U2 or the Stones people. Lets be
> realistic. I don't see any problem publicizing the show a little bit. And
> let Francis deal with it and if he wants help, he will solicit it. It
seems
> as if everyone is a 'wannabe' concert promoter all of a sudden.
>
> Eric Soderblom
>
*dusting off soapbox*
all-RIGHTY, then.....
okie..yes, eric i realize that this is not an event of MAMMOTH proportions to
most humanoids (though it is to ME!); but then let me ask you, what purpose
would publicizing the show bring?...if this is a closed affair, wouldn't that
have the equivilent of thumbing our noses (ie: conveying an expression of the
very sort of `eliteism' (sp) that has been brought up with much disdain in
recent emailings?) at the masses....and if this winds up being a public
affair, even though you may feel that there may not be such a demand for the
tickets outside of the list, what if there IS? claude himself said that the
majority of the group's fanbase isn't even ON the list...
secondly...i myself am not questioning francis & co.'s handling of the booking
of this show....he is wise enough to realise that part of the final decision
is to be as much of a democratic `coming-to-terms' among the list members as a
WHOLE (perhaps casting a vote, beingst this is turning into such a heated
debate) and, as far as i can see, that is exactly what is being
discussed....nowhere do i see anything about anyone considering assumption of
control over the arrangements or implying that they can do a better
job...francis himself has stated that he would like plenty of input, as he
wants to book something that is to the satisfaction of the list members; welp,
he's getting it:)
finally, as one of the individuals who will most likely be forking out a
decent sum towards the initial deposit/arrangements (for the record, this is
NOT cast in stone, yet, but i am being prepared for such a request) i
certainly would appreciate being able express my opinions/wishes re; this
fete...this does NOT, however, make me blind as to what my fellow listmembers
wishes are re: this matter..i may not be quite as vehement (sp) as some re:
the publicity/accessibility of tickets to this show, but i would like to be
able to state my viewpoints just the same, in a rational, nonthreatening and
constructive manner :)
*may i have a drink of water, now?*
Charlotte
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Show
Date: 23 Mar 1998 16:57:24 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 16:46:29 EST, HarpiChick@aol.com writes:
>
> finally, as one of the individuals who will most likely be forking out a
> decent sum towards the initial deposit/arrangements (for the record, this
is
> NOT cast in stone, yet, but i am being prepared for such a request)
i am taking no chances and nipping this in the bud before anyone else gets a
chance to jump on this...the above statement is in no way, shape or form
implied or intended to mislead the reader(s) to thinking that i assume that
anyone involved in the initial monetary arrangements have any precedence or
importance over others who are not....
hopefully i have cleared that up before it bites me on the butt;)
thanks again,
Charlotte
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Everybody's talkin' 'bout elitism, (ism, ism, ism)
Date: 23 Mar 1998 17:31:58 -0500 (EST)
All we are saying is let 'em eat cake!
:-)
Myke
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From: "Colin McLeod" <duranie@hotmail.com>
Subject: (hats) Juno Awards and more...
Date: 23 Mar 1998 14:48:05 PST
Now, I could have missed something but I don't think so... but has
anyone commented about last nights Juno Awards? Ivan didn't win.
The nominees for Best Dance Song weren't even mentioned on the air. At
the end of the broadcast, there was a listing of "awards given out
earlier in the evening". Best Dance Song went to "Euphoria(Firefly)
(Rabbit in the Moon remix)" by Delerium. For anyone who might be
interested, Delirium is a side project of the fairly-well-know Canadian
group FrontLine Assembly. Good stuff, but I would rather have seen Ivan
win. I didn't see him in any of the audience shots they did either...
so I don't know if he was even there.
Also, I recall someone mentioning that Ivan's performance in Toronto a
few weeks ago was a part of "Canadian Music Week". Tomorrow night on
Muchmusic, "The New Music" show is doing a segment on the "Canadian
Music Week" concerts that took place. They didn't show Ivan in the
commercial, but they might show a clip or something.... I think The New
Music airs at 9 PM (eastern).
That's all!
Colin
:)
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Public or Private?
Date: 23 Mar 1998 17:55:55 EST
All I can say about this public/private debate is:
I wish Ivan himself would let us know what HE wants so it would be a decision
made by *him* since this is *his* show!!!!!
That's all.
That decision should be left up to Ivan so we'll see what he wants when he
gets back to us about the show.
Angie
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Public or Private?
Date: 23 Mar 1998 18:27:49 EST
In a message dated 98-03-23 17:58:30 EST, ADTooley@aol.com writes:
>
> All I can say about this public/private debate is:
>
> I wish Ivan himself would let us know what HE wants so it would be a
> decision
> made by *him* since this is *his* show!!!!!
>
> That's all.
>
> That decision should be left up to Ivan so we'll see what he wants when he
> gets back to us about the show.
>
> Angie
>
that would true enough, angie....i have mixed feelings re: that statement, but
i have to at least respect it :/
*lightbulb flashing o'er head*
if i recall correctly, francis made the mention of the possibility of a second
show......
here's a thought.......if booked,why not give the SECOND show the option for a
public event? i am not saying this to dictate; just to bring to light another
possibility that may serve to solve one or more of the dilemnas that have been
discussed....
-C-
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Show
Date: 23 Mar 1998 19:44:06 EST
On 3/23/98, Charlotte wrote:
<<i originally was going to make this a private reply, but what i came up with
had enough valid points as to see if anyone else is in agreeance over....
yes,i grudgingly admit that it should be Ivan's decision in the end..BUT...
A) he has been approached with the express understanding that the list
wanted to book him for a PRIVATE affair....
B) if this winds up turning into a public affair, i do not think that the
list would want, nor be expected to, pick up any responsibility for such silly
things as liability insurance for the venue as well as
attendees....furthermore, if Ivan decides he wants a public show, then perhaps
he should consider going through a proper promoter and doing some of the
legwork himself re: venues/insurance and such, instead of leaving all the
details to his `grunt' fans......damn, i know that sounded cold, but (should
something like this occur) i wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that there
would be something almost `Crawford-esque' about it all....if i want to see a
public show then i would simply wait untill MWH tours in support of their next
album...
the original intent of this show was to be a private affair between the
artist/band and the list, as well as whomever list members would choose to
bring with them....i rather like the idea of going to a small, intimate
setting, being able to meet and greet some of the faces behind the handles,
seeing a nice tight-but-relaxed set, and just enjoying the evening without
having to worry about gang wars, or pastel punks puking all over and ripping
out fixtures, or clueless folx without something better to do that evening
razzing on something about the show....
the prospect of turning this into a public event is bound to bring more
trouble than the list members who are arranging this, as well as those members
that are called upon to donate funds towards the fees, should be expected to
shoulder...
okie, that's enough outta my mouth for now... :/
-C->>
These are some good points ... insurance, legalities, extra ticket sales,
extra footwork, more headaches ---
Originally my vision was that of a small, intimate show with the members of
the list, their family/friends, and the band, not a full-fledged public show.
I want to keep it simple, I really do. Too much complexity will spoil the
whole thing. All the bickering going on lately within the list attests to
that!
Angie
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Let Ivan decide...
Date: 23 Mar 1998 18:04:39 -0500 (EST)
Yes, Angie, I believe you are correct.
It is proper that Ivan should be allowed to decide.
Myke
P.S. And should Ivan decide for "private" over "public" - who among us
should then be the first to cry "Elite!"?
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) re show- chain reaction
Date: 23 Mar 1998 21:45:27 EST
goin thru your world like a chain reaction........
please take a few moments to read what some of us have written, and what all
of us read when we check our mailboxes:
<<I don't
>think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
>members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats fans
>have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you've
>probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, never
>stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?>>
him then. Worry not about what other people are doing, worry about
yourself. Besides, Francis has demonstrated his leadership in this, I'm
sure this discussion is null and void. I AM being elitist: I couldn't care
less about the others, and I don't want them there. For the first time, a
concert along the lines of "An Evening With [insert band name here]" will be
just that: quiet and intimate. No following star to hotel, no freezing at
stage entrance, nothing, no fighting to sneak backstage. If we are being
elitist, and you don't like it, it is the same as that whole boot
discussion: don't buy one, don't go to the concert. 'Nuff said.
Cordially,
Rush
publishing the results of the concert, the related carnage and the ensuing
aftermath *ah, the HORROR!*, shouldn't be a problem...just don't promote the
darn thing, eh? ;)
-C-
uh...tom...i don't think that the current dispute is about who's in charge of
this show...that is not the isssue right now...the topic of discussion is
deciding whether or not to make this a public (instead of a private)
event.....
*dusting off soapbox*
all-RIGHTY, then.....
okie..yes, eric i realize that this is not an event of MAMMOTH proportions to
most humanoids (though it is to ME!); but then let me ask you, what purpose
would publicizing the show bring?...if this is a closed affair, wouldn't that
have the equivilent of thumbing our noses (ie: conveying an expression of the
very sort of `eliteism' (sp) that has been brought up with much disdain in
recent emailings?) at the masses....and if this winds up being a public
affair, even though you may feel that there may not be such a demand for the
tickets outside of the list, what if there IS? claude himself said that the
majority of the group's fanbase isn't even ON the list...
secondly...i myself am not questioning francis & co.'s handling of the booking
of this show....he is wise enough to realise that part of the final decision
is to be as much of a democratic `coming-to-terms' among the list members as a
WHOLE (perhaps casting a vote, beingst this is turning into such a heated
debate) and, as far as i can see, that is exactly what is being
discussed....nowhere do i see anything about anyone considering assumption of
control over the arrangements or implying that they can do a better
job...francis himself has stated that he would like plenty of input, as he
wants to book something that is to the satisfaction of the list members; welp,
he's getting it:)
finally, as one of the individuals who will most likely be forking out a
decent sum towards the initial deposit/arrangements (for the record, this is
NOT cast in stone, yet, but i am being prepared for such a request) i
certainly would appreciate being able express my opinions/wishes re; this
fete...this does NOT, however, make me blind as to what my fellow listmembers
wishes are re: this matter..i may not be quite as vehement (sp) as some re:
the publicity/accessibility of tickets to this show, but i would like to be
able to state my viewpoints just the same, in a rational, nonthreatening and
constructive manner :)
*may i have a drink of water, now?*
Charlotte
OK,
I have been sitting on the sidelines about this whole thing, and I have to
put in my 2 cents. Despite the fact that myself and everyone else on this
list would DIE for tickets to the show, doesn't mean that the whole world
will be clamoring for them. This isn't U2 or the Stones people. Lets be
realistic. I don't see any problem publicizing the show a little bit. And
let Francis deal with it and if he wants help, he will solicit it. It seems
as if everyone is a 'wannabe' concert promoter all of a sudden.
<i originally was going to make this a private reply, but what i came up with
had enough valid points as to see if anyone else is in agreeance over....
yes,i grudgingly admit that it should be Ivan's decision in the end..BUT...
A) he has been approached with the express understanding that the list
wanted to book him for a PRIVATE affair....
B) if this winds up turning into a public affair, i do not think that the
list would want, nor be expected to, pick up any responsibility for such silly
things as liability insurance for the venue as well as
attendees....furthermore, if Ivan decides he wants a public show, then perhaps
he should consider going through a proper promoter and doing some of the
legwork himself re: venues/insurance and such, instead of leaving all the
details to his `grunt' fans......damn, i know that sounded cold, but (should
something like this occur) i wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that there
would be something almost `Crawford-esque' about it all....if i want to see a
public show then i would simply wait untill MWH tours in support of their next
album...
the original intent of this show was to be a private affair between the
artist/band and the list, as well as whomever list members would choose to
bring with them....i rather like the idea of going to a small, intimate
setting, being able to meet and greet some of the faces behind the handles,
seeing a nice tight-but-relaxed set, and just enjoying the evening without
having to worry about gang wars, or pastel punks puking all over and ripping
out fixtures, or clueless folx without something better to do that evening
razzing on something about the show....
the prospect of turning this into a public event is bound to bring more
trouble than the list members who are arranging this, as well as those members
that are called upon to donate funds towards the fees, should be expected to
shoulder...
okie, that's enough outta my mouth for now... :/
-C->>
These are some good points ... insurance, legalities, extra ticket sales,
extra footwork, more headaches ---
Originally my vision was that of a small, intimate show with the members of
the list, their family/friends, and the band, not a full-fledged public show.
I want to keep it simple, I really do. Too much complexity will spoil the
whole thing. All the bickering going on lately within the list attests to
that!
Angie
all in response to this innocent honest question:
Hi,
Please forgive my utter ignorance here. I am in the process of putting
together the next issue of LExicon mag and I seem to recall that there
is going to be some sort of show by Ivan soon. Can anyone fill me in on
this? I know I should have been reading the postings, but simply have
not had the time. I would love tomention it in the next issue (or if it
has already happened maybe someone has a quick review?)
Thanks
-Dave Richards
PS- Any one seen Spins Top 42 Altrenative Novelty Hits? Safety Dance is
in there.
and here is the poor fellows response:
Sorry to cause a commotion about all of this. I am not going to mention
the concert in the next issue. However, it would be nice to have a
review of the show should it go on. If there is anyone out there who
would like to see their stuff in print you can email me a review. I
hope the show does come off as planned.
-Dave Richards
Managing Editor
Lexicon
maybe now you see......
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) re- show chain reaction
Date: 23 Mar 1998 21:50:03 EST
Subj: re show- chain reaction
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goin thru your world like a chain reaction........
please take a few moments to read what some of us have written, and what all
of us read when we check our mailboxes:
<<I don't
>think that this concert should be open to anyone else but the hats list
>members. This may sound harsh, but the majority of true diehard hats fans
>have found this list. If you're not a true diehard hats fan, then you've
>probably never even tried to find as much info on hats, therefore, never
>stumbling upon the list. Did that make sense?>>
him then. Worry not about what other people are doing, worry about
yourself. Besides, Francis has demonstrated his leadership in this, I'm
sure this discussion is null and void. I AM being elitist: I couldn't care
less about the others, and I don't want them there. For the first time, a
concert along the lines of "An Evening With [insert band name here]" will be
just that: quiet and intimate. No following star to hotel, no freezing at
stage entrance, nothing, no fighting to sneak backstage. If we are being
elitist, and you don't like it, it is the same as that whole boot
discussion: don't buy one, don't go to the concert. 'Nuff said.
Cordially,
Rush
publishing the results of the concert, the related carnage and the ensuing
aftermath *ah, the HORROR!*, shouldn't be a problem...just don't promote the
darn thing, eh? ;)
-C-
uh...tom...i don't think that the current dispute is about who's in charge of
this show...that is not the isssue right now...the topic of discussion is
deciding whether or not to make this a public (instead of a private)
event.....
*dusting off soapbox*
all-RIGHTY, then.....
okie..yes, eric i realize that this is not an event of MAMMOTH proportions to
most humanoids (though it is to ME!); but then let me ask you, what purpose
would publicizing the show bring?...if this is a closed affair, wouldn't that
have the equivilent of thumbing our noses (ie: conveying an expression of the
very sort of `eliteism' (sp) that has been brought up with much disdain in
recent emailings?) at the masses....and if this winds up being a public
affair, even though you may feel that there may not be such a demand for the
tickets outside of the list, what if there IS? claude himself said that the
majority of the group's fanbase isn't even ON the list...
secondly...i myself am not questioning francis & co.'s handling of the booking
of this show....he is wise enough to realise that part of the final decision
is to be as much of a democratic `coming-to-terms' among the list members as a
WHOLE (perhaps casting a vote, beingst this is turning into such a heated
debate) and, as far as i can see, that is exactly what is being
discussed....nowhere do i see anything about anyone considering assumption of
control over the arrangements or implying that they can do a better
job...francis himself has stated that he would like plenty of input, as he
wants to book something that is to the satisfaction of the list members; welp,
he's getting it:)
finally, as one of the individuals who will most likely be forking out a
decent sum towards the initial deposit/arrangements (for the record, this is
NOT cast in stone, yet, but i am being prepared for such a request) i
certainly would appreciate being able express my opinions/wishes re; this
fete...this does NOT, however, make me blind as to what my fellow listmembers
wishes are re: this matter..i may not be quite as vehement (sp) as some re:
the publicity/accessibility of tickets to this show, but i would like to be
able to state my viewpoints just the same, in a rational, nonthreatening and
constructive manner :)
*may i have a drink of water, now?*
Charlotte
OK,
I have been sitting on the sidelines about this whole thing, and I have to
put in my 2 cents. Despite the fact that myself and everyone else on this
list would DIE for tickets to the show, doesn't mean that the whole world
will be clamoring for them. This isn't U2 or the Stones people. Lets be
realistic. I don't see any problem publicizing the show a little bit. And
let Francis deal with it and if he wants help, he will solicit it. It seems
as if everyone is a 'wannabe' concert promoter all of a sudden.
<i originally was going to make this a private reply, but what i came up with
had enough valid points as to see if anyone else is in agreeance over....
yes,i grudgingly admit that it should be Ivan's decision in the end..BUT...
A) he has been approached with the express understanding that the list
wanted to book him for a PRIVATE affair....
B) if this winds up turning into a public affair, i do not think that the
list would want, nor be expected to, pick up any responsibility for such silly
things as liability insurance for the venue as well as
attendees....furthermore, if Ivan decides he wants a public show, then perhaps
he should consider going through a proper promoter and doing some of the
legwork himself re: venues/insurance and such, instead of leaving all the
details to his `grunt' fans......damn, i know that sounded cold, but (should
something like this occur) i wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that there
would be something almost `Crawford-esque' about it all....if i want to see a
public show then i would simply wait untill MWH tours in support of their next
album...
the original intent of this show was to be a private affair between the
artist/band and the list, as well as whomever list members would choose to
bring with them....i rather like the idea of going to a small, intimate
setting, being able to meet and greet some of the faces behind the handles,
seeing a nice tight-but-relaxed set, and just enjoying the evening without
having to worry about gang wars, or pastel punks puking all over and ripping
out fixtures, or clueless folx without something better to do that evening
razzing on something about the show....
the prospect of turning this into a public event is bound to bring more
trouble than the list members who are arranging this, as well as those members
that are called upon to donate funds towards the fees, should be expected to
shoulder...
okie, that's enough outta my mouth for now... :/
-C->>
These are some good points ... insurance, legalities, extra ticket sales,
extra footwork, more headaches ---
Originally my vision was that of a small, intimate show with the members of
the list, their family/friends, and the band, not a full-fledged public show.
I want to keep it simple, I really do. Too much complexity will spoil the
whole thing. All the bickering going on lately within the list attests to
that!
Angie
all in response to this innocent honest question:
Hi,
Please forgive my utter ignorance here. I am in the process of putting
together the next issue of LExicon mag and I seem to recall that there
is going to be some sort of show by Ivan soon. Can anyone fill me in on
this? I know I should have been reading the postings, but simply have
not had the time. I would love tomention it in the next issue (or if it
has already happened maybe someone has a quick review?)
Thanks
-Dave Richards
PS- Any one seen Spins Top 42 Altrenative Novelty Hits? Safety Dance is
in there.
and here is the poor fellows response:
Sorry to cause a commotion about all of this. I am not going to mention
the concert in the next issue. However, it would be nice to have a
review of the show should it go on. If there is anyone out there who
would like to see their stuff in print you can email me a review. I
hope the show does come off as planned.
-Dave Richards
Managing Editor
Lexicon
maybe now you see......
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From: X <arggg@interlog.com>
Date: 23 Mar 1998 22:30:59 -0500 (EST)
RUSH
MANY OF US ON THE LIST WANT TO MAKE THIS A PUBLIC AFFAIR- OUTSIDE THE 6
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED
OTHERWISE, MIKE, DAVE, STEVEN, CHARLOTTE AND MYSELF WANT TO GIVE ALL HATS
FANS A CHANCE TO COME TO THE SHOW.
I THINK IT IS FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THE VENUE WILL BE INTIMATE AND SMALL-
THIS WE ALL AGREE ON...LETS LEAVE THE REST UP TO FRANCIS.
WOLFGANG
Wolfgang
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: (hats) Off we go...
Date: 24 Mar 1998 00:25:06 -0600
So forgive me here, what is the point of the show? I can go see Ivan
anytime. I can find out and go. Big deal. For those of you who have not
been here for well over a year, the point wasn't to go to an Ivan show, the
point was to ask him to do a PRIVATE show for US. Was, at any point during
the discussion, this UNCLEAR to anyone?
This discussion is, as I have said, MOOT. If we get first shot at
tickets in a small club, and we sell out: moot. If we don't get first shot
at tickets, and a company like Ticketmaster sells the tickets, rest assured,
the brokers WILL get first shot at the tickets: moot. If we go *public*
and the list buys all the tickets: moot. Jesus, who on the list who is
planning to go will be happy if we make it public, and they don't get
tickets? Making it public, (as some whiner said, "to be fair") means making
ticket sales fair, which means brokers get the vast majority. This isn't
rocket science folks, and it never was. We never discussed Ivan just "doing
a show", he does that all the time. As far as bickering, lighten up, I
don't have the time to worry about 200 different peoples sensitivities when
I post here, we are just discussing points of view, and the printed word
comes across as more caustic than I would intend.
Oh, and Arechuei(sp?), thanks for sending me that concoction and inane
commentary of yours three times. "Here's an idea: Have a point, it makes
it soooo much more INTERESTING for the reader..." Anyone know the
movie.....
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) WOW!!!!!!!
Date: 24 Mar 1998 00:41:49 -0800
Hatters-
For some reason, I have never been to the MP3 archive
(http://www.holdman.com/mwh/). Well, I went there tonight and downloaded
the software (cool!). And then downloaded a version of Freeways, and was
FREAKING IMPRESSED!!!!!! If you have never tried it out, GO NOW. GREAT
WORK RICHARD!!!!
Eric Soderblom
soderblom@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: (hats) MIDI
Date: 24 Mar 1998 01:27:01 -0800
I have asked this a thousand times, but could someone hook me up with a Hats
MIDI. Either e-mail it to me, or let me know where to get it.
Thanks-
Eric Soderblom
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Elite!
Date: 24 Mar 1998 09:13:00 -0500 (EST)
Claude> What is that suppose to mean?
If Ivan chooses to stick with the "Private Ivan" concept, who would
then dare cry out against his decision to be "elitist"?
BTW, I think "Private Ivan" is a good name for the event, personally.
Myke
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From: JAXON9 <JAXON9@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) calling all hats
Date: 23 Mar 1998 20:08:43 EST
We probably all have our own interesting little stories about how Men
Without Hats came into our lives. My story is through my older sister who
brought home a cassette tape of Pop Goes the World. The love for the music
has grown since then and excitement reached a high at the discovery of a
"Hats" homepage; and again when I read the news of a mailing list.
I wish to be added to the list of devotedd fans. I live in California
between San Francisco and Sacramento and would like to know of the best way to
go about aquiring more Men Without Hats music and memorabilia?
Many thanks,
Glenn Jackson
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From: Donald Stroud <dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 24 Mar 1998 08:47:45 -0800 (PST)
To whomever is keeping track of the concert attendence...
Please remove me from the list. I won't be attending.
I have watched the flames and pouting and arguing on the mailing list... and
I'd rather not get involved in a scene like that.
The music is what matters to me, not the politics or the glory of meeting
Ivan and being his best buddy. This has degenerated from a once-in-a-lifetime
chance to an agenda-ridden black hole.
If the show does go through, I hope that those of you who make it have a
great time.
Don2
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 24 Mar 1998 14:33:05 -0500 (EST)
Donald Said:
The music is what matters to me, not the politics or the glory of meeting
Ivan...This has degenerated from a once-in-a-lifetime
chance to an agenda-ridden black hole.
And I say:
Amen. Everyone is like a complaint...personified.
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 24 Mar 1998 14:35:55 -0600
Dear God, are you two sensitive. There are 200 hundred people on this list,
and 6 or 7 are having a discussion that will be resolved one way or another
without bloodshed, and "EVERYONE" is a "blackhole"? Sorry we managed to
evaporate all the peace and warmth and light from it for you, I do hope
you'll get by. You won't even know the vast majority of people at the
concert, what does it matter, the music will still be there.
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Donald Said:
The music is what matters to me, not the politics or the glory of
meeting
Ivan...
And I say:
Amen. Everyone is like a complaint
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From: Donald Stroud <dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 24 Mar 1998 12:57:00 -0800 (PST)
Thanks for the patronizing response.
I am not being "sensitive". I'm just watching the bickering escalate. It
doesn't matter how many people are complaining or arguing... the fact that
even *one* person is making a stink about any facet of this concert is
amazing. And look at all the negative things that have been discussed or
revealed during these "discussions": jealousy about not being one of the
people that got to talk to Ivan's manager; people wanting to shut out
anyone from attending who isn't on the list (my girlfriend isn't on the
list, so could I not bring her?); and most mind-boggling to me were the
comments about SUING IVAN IF HE DIDN'T PLAY THE SONGS WE WANT TO HEAR.
I don't think I'm being reactionary in this situation. I just don't want
to be a part of it anymore.
And Rush, if comments like "Sorry we managed to evaporate all the peace and
warmth and light from it for you, I do hope you'll get by" are written by
a person that will be attending this show, then I'm even more satisfied with my
choice to drop out.
Why do *you* want to attend this show, Rush? Is it not the music? Is it
something else? I'm just curious.
Don2
> Dear God, are you two sensitive. There are 200 hundred people on this list,
> and 6 or 7 are having a discussion that will be resolved one way or another
> without bloodshed, and "EVERYONE" is a "blackhole"? Sorry we managed to
> evaporate all the peace and warmth and light from it for you, I do hope
> you'll get by. You won't even know the vast majority of people at the
> concert, what does it matter, the music will still be there.
>
> Cordially,
> Rush
> >
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From: Brad Hull <bhull@uoguelph.ca>
Date: 24 Mar 1998 16:52:26 -0500
Now I ain't stupid but I can't understand
Why so many things are getting so out of hand
Think we should wonder what the problem could be?
Brad Hull
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From: Shriekman <Shriekman@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) The mess . . .
Date: 24 Mar 1998 17:40:58 EST
I am saddened by the mess this has turned into, and am beginning to question
whether this show is going to get off the ground. Personal attacks have made
this unsavory and the two "camps" that have developed are using this list as a
forum for their arguments are getting vicious. All this for something that
hasn't even been confirmed yet!
I, for one, think the best idea is to wait and see if Ivan will agree to do
the show and where the show will be held before we (the list) decide how to
wield our power in limiting attendance. I am willing to go under just about
any circumstance, as long as I can get a couple of tickets.
This may be the only chance for me to see Ivan in concert, and I don't want
these arguments to put that in jeopardy.
Greg
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: (hats) The Hats
Date: 24 Mar 1998 17:02:14 -0500 (EST)
Hey,
This is just music. And it's meant to be enjoyed.
Let's have the bickerers bicker and everyone else, like myself,
will go to the show to hear and see a great show. Men Without HATE...let
that be us...
"...Hope is a good thing...maybe the best of things."
-Shawshank Redemption
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: I'm out!
Date: 24 Mar 1998 18:37:11 -0500 (EST)
Um, Don2, I think the deal with the concert being for the list members
only means the same as it means for when Laura makes T-shirts. Only
people on the list and people who know people on the list will have them.
My wife isn't a member of this list but I never considered leaving her
at home while I go off to Canada for a weekend and party with a bunch
of people I didn't know. I thought it was just generally understood
that "list members only" didn't really mean that in the strictest sense.
I've got friends who are not members of this list to whom I forward
messages from this list when they pertain to the show - if I think it
would help keep them better informed of it just i case they do decide
to go along too.
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: Elite!
Date: 24 Mar 1998 14:13:14 -0500 (EST)
No, I wasn't aiming anything at you Claude.
I was just making a point that all this talk about elitism if the
concert is held privately is, as the esteemed Bill Clinton might say,
"a bunch of hooey". Nobody here is keeping anybody from being able
to join this list. It's equally available to everybody who can
access it. Now, computers aren't equally available to everybody
but that's beyond the scope of the Hats list and is unrelated to it
really. For cryin' out loud, I use a Commodore 128 to get it!
\
Besides, even if we were being elitist about it, as long as nobody's
suffering and/or dying as a result, it's not a problem. This kind
of stuff is a far cry from the harmful elitism practiced by socialist /
Communist governments which on paper proclaim "equality for all" but
in reality keep all the goodies for themselves, leaving only misery
to be equally distributed amongst the people living under their thumbs.
Myke
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Reaction to your comments....
Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:09:08 EST
Hey gang.
Since 1 week, I was quiet. I checked all your messages (but very fast). I
agree with all this negative reaction coming from you about all the
misunderstanding and childish attitude that has occured during the primary
organisation. Although, everything has been clarified between concerned
parties. I could understand your scepticism but rest assured that everything
will be done very profesionnaly and I encourage anyone who would like to
suggest any ideas to come foward with them because my goal is to organize a
concert suitable and to the satisfaction of all the members of the list.
If you don't agree, please, tell me, I won't put any more energy or time to
this wonderful project. We are all adults, we don't have to fight like
children.
You are going to get the best show ever, why are you talking about stupidity.
PLEASE, change subject and try to focus on your next summer trip.
P.s. Naturally, any member should feel free to invite whom ever they wish
without any hesitations. They should not be any dictature or imposition as to
who could one bring to the concert. At least, that's how I feel.
Ciao
Francis
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From: ADTooley <ADTooley@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert
Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:17:47 EST
I really did not want to respond to this at first, but I feel I have to so
that things won't get distorted anymore than they are.
In a message dated 98-03-24 17:02:04 EST, dstroud writes:
<< And look at all the negative things that have been discussed or
revealed during these "discussions": jealousy about not being one of the
people that got to talk to Ivan's manager; people wanting to shut out
anyone from attending who isn't on the list (my girlfriend isn't on the
list, so could I not bring her?); and most mind-boggling to me were the
comments about SUING IVAN IF HE DIDN'T PLAY THE SONGS WE WANT TO HEAR.
>>
First of all, it was not an issue of jealousy, it was an issue of trust, and
an issue of hurt.
Secondly, from the very beginning we have said that list members will be free
to bring along as many friends or family members as they want!!
Third, nobody ever actually suggested something as ridiculous as *suing* Ivan.
Give me a break. Give everyone a break.
I want to tell everyone that if you want to be sure this show happens, one
good way to help the effort is NOT to bicker on this list! So let's stop this
nonsense before it ruins everything!!!!!!!!!!!
Angie
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: I'm out!
Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:23:34 -0500 (EST)
> So why all this arguing?
I dunno, Claude. I think you misunderstood my previous posts.
I was speaking in defense of the list. If the list were not openly
available to the public then perhaps complaints of elitist behaviour
could be justified. But the fact is, this list is publicly available
- and free, too! - so calling anything that happens here "elitist"
is foolish (aka "a bunch of hooey").
I think that because people in the UK, US, Australia, Canada, Brazil,
Chile, Japan, and Lord knows where else, are aware that this show is
being planned, there is plenty of proof that it *is* already
being promoted in public.
When we discuss the show via the list, it is being promoted publicly.
The method is not a traditional method, but it is no less public
because this is a public list.
It's a matter of pull vs. push, that's all.
Myke
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Elite!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 00:10:04 EST
In a message dated 98-03-24 19:32:19 EST, MYKEC@delphi.com writes:
> For cryin' out loud, I use a Commodore 128 to get it!
> \
uh, don't feel TOO bad, Myke....one of my two links to this thing involves an
Atari modem *blush!*
;)
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 25 Mar 1998 00:30:49 EST
> In a message dated 98-03-24 17:02:04 EST, DStroud writes:
>
> people wanting to shut out anyone from attending who isn't on the list
> (my girlfriend isn't on the list, so could I not bring her?); and most mind-
> boggling to me were the comments about SUING IVAN IF HE DIDN'T PLAY
> THE SONGS WE WANT TO HEAR.
hi donald...
last time i checked...i was under the impression that list members could
whomever they wanted to (hell, a football team for all they care!) as long as
they were able to purchase the tickets.....this arrangement would still be
much different from that if the show was a public one...
the second comment i have posted is equally mind-boggling to me as well...
*???*
i myself apologize for being one of the 'loose cannons' that has brought you
to such a harsh decision....i agree with Aerechui that this latest melodrama
has escalated from what was originally an innocent post from a well-meaning
magazine editor....
ttyl,
-C-
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert: I'm out
Date: 25 Mar 1998 00:47:17 -0600
Yeah, in retrospect, that was a bit patronizing, forgive me. My point was
simply that I work at the United Center, home of the Chicago Bulls, and I
see what ticket brokers can do. I am very close to the topic, and I see it
all the time. A $45US ticket averages $200US per seat. How many kids get
to see that? How many true fans can afford that? For the Stones the $300US
face value tickets are going for $1200-$1700US. Agreed, Mw/oH/Ivan is not
the Stones, but if ticket brokers heard that it would truly be an intimate
show with conceivably only 100 or so fans w/ Ivan hanging around afterward
to chat, sign autographs, they know they could charge a bundle, and would.
The reason I'm going is simply the music, there are a few people on the list
that I would really like to meet, but I'm under no illusions about all 200.
As C said, bring your friends, bring your family, that was never a problem,
but how would you feel if you couldn't even get/afford the tickets?
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
> (my girlfriend isn't on the list, so could I not bring her?); and most
mind-
> boggling to me were the comments about SUING IVAN IF HE DIDN'T PLAY
> THE SONGS WE WANT TO HEAR.
hi donald...
last time i checked...i was under the impression that list members
could
whomever they wanted to (hell, a football team for all they care!) as
long as
they were able to purchase the tickets.....this arrangement would still
be
much different from that if the show was a public one...
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) peace
Date: 25 Mar 1998 03:17:46 EST
please take a moment to read the following:
here is the original message that somebody misunderstood and set off a chain
reaction of harshness and criticism, and worst of all- hurt feelings:
Hi,
Please forgive my utter ignorance here. I am in the process of putting
together the next issue of LExicon mag and I seem to recall that there
is going to be some sort of show by Ivan soon. Can anyone fill me in on
this? I know I should have been reading the postings, but simply have
not had the time. I would love tomention it in the next issue (or if it
has already happened maybe someone has a quick review?)
Thanks
-Dave Richards
no where in here does he mention wanting to make the show public, or promote
or advertise it even. He could very well have wanted to mention the PRIVATE
show in his magazine, which would have notified some non-list but serious MWH
fans. he could have even listed the list's address (and still could by the
way) so that more could join!
but somehow this turned into something it never was, and people got upset.
i name names here only because i am pointing out the good:
rush deals with ticket brokers on something like a daily basis, sees what they
can do, and was naturally concerned about all of us on this list and our show.
maybe angie has had some bad experiences with shows and the "wrong" crowd
showing up. again, she is expressing concern, not just for herself, but for
all of us who may be attending the show. i know charlotte intends her letters
not to be taken so heavily as some seem to read them.
we all are cool, and anyone who sounds icky in these mails about the show, is
really only concerned that all of us have a good show and a good time at the
show!
i think many of us forget that with mail, especially typewritten mail, it can
be very difficult at times to read the emotion that went into the letter, and
very easy to take it wrong.
please remember this before you get offended at what someone wrote.
and please remember this when you write.
and please don't forget
that the great ones remember
peace,
Aerechui
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From: Nathan Shireman <ndshirem@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: (hats) PEACE! FOR GOODNESS SAKES!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 08:28:56 -0500 (EST)
Okay,
Here's the thing. This may be just another posting that everyone will fly
by and not read, but then again, it may not. Lord knows that I haven't
read all the negative banter going back and forth, just skimmed it.
ANYWAY, one thing I've noticed about the list is that we never can DEBATE.
Debating doesn't exist. Instead, everyone throws out there two cents and
attacks, okay, I shouldn't say EVERYONE... but for the most part, the
postings I read are abrasive.
When and If we all make it to montreal this summer, I would hate to see
hurt feelings between us all. It should really be a joyous time, and even
if one or two of us are pissed at one another, it will distract from the
whole theme of what the show is attempting to promote.
So, without further ado... I want to say PEACE! Please... PEACE!
Let's take the discussion and move on. Let's contain the disaster, and
begin building the MWH city again. I know that I have been a part of this
whole mess, and I apologize for it all, and I hope that others will follow
my lead and say... PEACE! EGAD! PEACE!
Thanks to all for listening
Nathan
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: PEACE!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:48:37 -0500 (EST)
A lot of people in the US tend to put down its Constitution because
it was written more than 200 years ago. They consider it "out of date"
and yet here we are on this list demonstrating the very human nature it
was intended to control. Left to its own devices, a pure democracy fails.
Democracy has often been compared to two wolves and a sheep voting on
what to have for lunch. Really, though, what we have on this list are
two "warring" political ideologies - a democracy vs. a representative
republic. Contrary to common understanding, the United States is not
a democracy. It is a representative republic with representatives
chosen by the democratic electoral process. I suggest that the people
on this list too allow the politics of this whole concert creation
thing to be handled by our representative, Francis. Even though he
wasn't "elected" to do the job, he, by far, is the best candidate for
the job. If you have ideas, please write a letter to your representative
instead of taking it to the phony courtroom which is "the public".
The public in this case really has no power to control anything.
Myke
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From: Senz <senz@nucleus.com>
Subject: (hats) Oh...this list is a political forum, great!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 09:39:22 -0700
> A lot of people in the US tend to put down its Constitution because
> it was written more than 200 years ago. They consider it "out of date"
> and yet here we are on this list demonstrating the very human nature it
> was intended to control. Left to its own devices, a pure democracy fails.
> Democracy has often been compared to two wolves and a sheep voting on
> what to have for lunch. Really, though, what we have on this list are
> two "warring" political ideologies - a democracy vs. a representative
> republic. Contrary to common understanding, the United States is not
> a democracy. It is a representative republic with representatives
> chosen by the democratic electoral process. I suggest that the people
> on this list too allow the politics of this whole concert creation
> thing to be handled by our representative, Francis. Even though he
> wasn't "elected" to do the job, he, by far, is the best candidate for
> the job. If you have ideas, please write a letter to your representative
> instead of taking it to the phony courtroom which is "the public".
> The public in this case really has no power to control anything.
>
> Myke
I prefer the parliamentary view, myself. (Parliament's been around longer
than the U.S. version of government, anyway. Moose knows.) Considering MWH
is a Canadian band...AND Francis is Canadian, I think it's more appropriate
that we think of him as our local MP, (Membre du Parlement)
Senz
p.s. since this list has become a forum for expressing our political views, I
will be drafting a twenty thousand word manifesto outlining how I believe
hats members should behave from now on, and which I will post in 10 segments
per day until sometime in the year 2010. Unless someone has a problem with
this?
:-)
Senz again
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From: Janet Lumb <janali@total.net>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in newspaper!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 12:11:54 -0500 (EST)
Did anyone else see the full page interview with Ivan in last weeks
"montreal Gazette"
pretty interesting.
LOG-ON-TOAST.
Ps all the bickering should end..and all this detail about the concert, has
Ivan actually agreed to do a gig
as MWH I'd be careful not to hold my breath.
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From: "damien.delhase" <damien.delhase@lesoir.be>
Subject: (hats) Concert
Date: 25 Mar 1998 18:29:44 +0100
I am coming a bit late in the list. Could anyone resume what you are
planning for the concert (includind dates, place, ...)?
Thank you,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Le Soir en Ligne Phone: +32-2-225.53.12
112, rue Royale E-Mail: dd@lesoir.be
B-1000 Brussels - Belgium Web site: www.lesoir.be
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 25 Mar 1998 14:00:34 -0500
Happy birthday to Simon Wooldridge and Vince Silvaggio from all their fellow
hatters! And a special thanks to Vince for is help on the MWH FAQ site...
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 25 Mar 1998 13:53:17 -0500 (EST)
I believe you missed my entire point.
Myke
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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <kgordon@tsn.ca>
Subject: (hats) Ivan "Off The Record"
Date: 25 Mar 1998 14:40:58 -0500
Just letting Canadian MWH fans know that Ivan will be on The Sports
Network's "Off The Record" with Michael Lansberg on April 6 at 6:00pm.
Other guests are to be announced soon.
If any listees have any, possibly sports/music related, Ivan
questions/stories they would like me to pass on to the host please
e-mail me direct.
I'll inform of any changes if there are any.
For more info on "Off The Record" check out: http://www.tsn.ca/otr/
Kerry Gordon - Toronto
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) long quotes
Date: 25 Mar 1998 17:43:49 -0500
I am writing to ask...please please PLEASE don't quote an ENTIRE e-mail :)
It is very annoying. Yes yes it takes 2 seconds in this hectic busy world
to scroll down, but is it necessary to quote an entire message? We already
know what the topic is anyway :) A few lines will do.
(I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but another reason why debates may
seem difficult here is because read and reply at different times/days)
Bye all!
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From: "David P. King" <dking@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) long quotes
Date: 25 Mar 1998 17:08:32 -0700
>I am writing to ask...please please PLEASE don't quote an ENTIRE e-mail :)
>It is very annoying.
I agree Daniele. Scolling through three pages of commented text to read
someone's one sentence comment is one of the most annoying things when
reading through e-mail. It is also much easier to understand when the part
that is being responded to is cut out to clarify the response.
Just an opinion,
--David
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From: "kathy beaupre" <kathyb@prcn.org>
Subject: (hats) the NEW hats page...
Date: 25 Mar 1998 17:40:21 -0800
HI...
althought I am new to the list I would like to
inform you on my MWH page..I dont think many
people have been there yet `cause my tab only reads 22
and half those were me..
i would like to take you all to......
www.Geocities.com/SouthBeach/Breakers/9214
hope you enjoy the NEW hats page..
=)
from Michelle...
P.S I love to hear back on it...and be corrected if something is wrong.
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) the NEW hats page...
Date: 25 Mar 1998 22:24:29 -0500
>HI...
>althought I am new to the list I would like to
>inform you on my MWH page..I dont think many
>people have been there yet `cause my tab only reads 22
>and half those were me..
>i would like to take you all to......
>www.Geocities.com/SouthBeach/Breakers/9214
>
Welcome to the list!
Great page you have! I like how you have the links in green under the white
headings. Where did you get that photo of them in 1984? I like the
questions you listed for Ivan--does he care for his fans :) Cute :)
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: PEACE!
Date: 25 Mar 1998 13:50:40 -0500 (EST)
Hello Aerechui!
Um, actually I am well aware that this is a very international mailing
list. Ever since I started making the VHS HiFi compilations of the
CDs made available from this list (and the two video compilations as well),
I've filled several international orders.
If you reread my last "political" message, you may notice that I carefully
worded it so as to, hopefully, dispel any notions that I was arrogantly
assuming that everybody here is American - like I've seen too many other
Americans do in the few short years I've been involved with the internet.
I often do not know if people outside the US are aware of what a lot of
Americans believe about their own Constitution - thinking it to be old and
"out of date".
I just happened to realize, however, the political nature of what was happening
on this list and the uncanny resemblances to the academic structure of my own
government. If you ask me, the 200+ year old document that is the Unites
oops/ United States Constitution is "right on" and full of thought and
remarkable understanding of the constant political nature of man. The example
it gives regarding how a so-called free society is to be governed, I believe,
is very relevant to the current situation here on this list: establish the
office of a representative which the majority favours and allow that person
to represent those who put him/her there. I believe this was the original
plan anyway by allowing Francis to represent us and make decisions on our
behalf. I think that should be maintained above all else and if anybody is
unhappy with anything that occurs or is about to occur, emails should be
sent to him privately and not in public where it can really do no good.
As for my personal political ideology, you may visit my website at your
leisure and read it. The particular document to which I refer I did not
write, but it speaks for me just the same with a style and grace I could
never duplicate if I tried.
http://people.delphi.com/mykec
is my URL. Scroll down a bit on the front page until you find the link to
"Statism: The Opiate Of The Elites".
Let me know what you think.
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 25 Mar 1998 16:00:08 -0500 (EST)
> point 1 - democracy has it's leaders and for a reason
Ok, I give you 1 point there - although I believe I did say too
that America is not a democracy.
> point 2 - I am a proud American and want to boast/teach a little about it
But of course. Don't all Americans do this?
Your assessment is grossly incorrect and a poor rebuttal.
I see no flaw in the analogy and find it quite appropriate
in describing the current political situation that has
tainted this list recently. And it *is* a political situation.
aAllowing Francis to govern the affairs of the list as it
pertains to the hopefully upcoming concert in Montreal is
akin
quite literally akin to the American political model
and is far better than everybody here just shouting out
ideas and getting into public fights over petty grievances.
I certainly would feel stupid to use the parliamentary form
of government as an example. I used the American form of
government in my analogy because it is that with which I
am most familiar. Note that I mentioned nothing about
specific official titles. That was your move.
"Representative" is a generic term.
Ever seen "Lord of the Flies"?
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Lord Of The Flies
Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:36:54 -0500 (EST)
Okay, really quickly...
If you've seen either version of this movie, raise your hand.
Nathan, this is a reply to your most recent post re: PEACE!
Myke
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From: "Kajjia Gorian" <kajjia@xts.net>
Subject: (hats) LOL
Date: 25 Mar 1998 21:06:49 -0800
Ya know, I can see how the list can talk about their small concerns with the
concert, but this is getting ridiculous! Gee wiz! How many people here
care about America's politics? I would say most of us AMERICANS. However,
some people joined the MWH mailing list to talk about MWH in any way shape
or form. The arguments about the concert may have seemed absurd to some,
but I ofund it informative. Everyone has their right to state an opinion,
and all our opinions should go into this concert since it's "our" "private"
concert. Basically what I'm trying to say is: If you want to talk Americas
politics, I am sure there's another mailing list out there for ya.
Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
http://menwohats.home.ml.org
Security, everyone feels better with...
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Geez
Date: 26 Mar 1998 00:43:59 -0500 (EST)
Listen folks,
I kept out of the discussion regarding the concert and all the different
thoughts about how it should be advertised or not advertised blah blah
blah until I had to say something I considered to be relevant that
could shed some light on the main problem that was at the root of all
the bickering. Now for some dumb reason, some think I'm trying to sing
the praises of the American political system. For God's sake, try
digging a little deeper than that into what I submitted to this list!
I said absolutely nothing about bicameral legislatures being superior
to parliaments. I didn't bestow an official American political title
upon Francis. I didn't boast about how great America's governmental
system is over those of other countries. And if you think I did, you
missed the point entirely.
This list has an official representative, Francis, who has been
designated as an intermediary between it and Ivan's management.
If you disagree with something related to how the show is being
handled or if you have a good suggestion, I suggest we adhere to
the plan of submitting our thoughts to Francis if we are to all
remain calm and civil throughout the process. Such a system is
at least theoretically if not realistically similar to the way
business is conducted in America's governments - and many others
as well, I might add.
The alternative is to act like some of the children in "Lord of
The Flies" and let political chaos run rampant on the list.
I personally don't want to see that happen. It causes people
to wish to unsubscribe.
We can have political order here or we can have political chaos.
The way things have been going, political chaos has been winning.
At its most fundamental level, my message is to just cool off
and stop posting inflammatory remarks about the handling of
the concert in public via this list.
How any of you could misinterpret my message as being one
of arrogant, boastful, and proud support of the American political
system is beyond me.
This is all I have to say about this.
If the public bickering continues, I will let you all have the
list to yourselves and will too unsubscribe with little or no
fanfare.
Good night.
Myke
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From: "Rush" <rush3@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Geez
Date: 26 Mar 1998 02:20:13 -0600
Now you know how I feel. Every little thing...
Cordially,
Rush
"To shrug." --Ayn Rand
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER
Listen folks,
For God's sake, try
digging a little deeper than that into what I submitted to this list!
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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <soderblom@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: PEACE!
Date: 26 Mar 1998 00:38:53 -0800
Aerechui-
DON'T DO IT!!! Myke WILL rip you off. The guy is a con artist!!!
-Eric
P.S. I AM TOTALLY JOKING!!! :-)
>
>Hello Aerechui!
>
>Um, actually I am well aware that this is a very international mailing
>list. Ever since I started making the VHS HiFi compilations of the
>CDs made available from this list (and the two video compilations as well),
>I've filled several international orders.
>
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From: Senz <senz@nucleus.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Dear Myke,
Date: 26 Mar 1998 09:29:07 -0700
> Ever seen "Lord of the Flies"?
>
> Myke
Yes, I've read the book and seen the movies. That's an interesting analogy and
you make a good point there. Are you trying to say that Francis has made an
error allowing the whole list to become decision makers. In essence it has
become quite the monster running around without a head. Is that what you mean
Myke?
Then I believe you know how to make a good point without eluding to any
preferred political system.
Good job!
Senz
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 26 Mar 1998 12:01:46 -0500 (EST)
However, if you would really *wish* to do so, I'm game.
I made a typo.
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 26 Mar 1998 11:59:45 -0500 (EST)
I'm not going to quit the list, don't worry.
Although at times it does seem like a solution to some problems.
If I were in it only for myself it would be easier to leave.
As far as continuing a political discussion, I don't believe there
has been one to continue.
As far as beginning one privately, I don't really see a need.
However, if you would really with to do so, I'm game.
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 26 Mar 1998 12:23:14 -0500 (EST)
Re: This list and "Lord of the Flies"...
I think you've got it. Actually, while I was lurking I saw that
some of the members of the list itself were falling into the trap
of attempting to make decisions when it was not their place to do so
in this particular case - with regard to how it should be promoted.
Bickering ensued as a result and the focus of leaving such matters
to Francis seemed to get completely buried in the melee.
Francis didn't make any mistake as far as I could tell.
I think he's doing the best job anybody could ask of him to do.
I saw the whole episode as being fundamentally flawed in a most
political and philosophical way and tried my best to explain myself
using "democracy vs. the representative republic" as an analogy.
I believe that had certain list members simply remembered that
this whole concert situation was supposed to be handled in
"representative republic" fashion instead of in "democratic"
fashion, the arguing about elitism and such would never have
occurred.
Or, at least, it would have never occurred in public via the list.
And the dignity of the list would have been preserved.
Myke
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From: mike <moose@globald.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (hats) concert
Date: 26 Mar 1998 18:57:18 +0100
Tom wrote
> who cares?
I agree with you - did anyone bother fighting over recognition for the
bootleg CDs??? I personally don't care if ppl know I was involved or not
- I think the gig should be enjoyed not fought over...
}:-)
Mike
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From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <kgordon@tsn.ca>
Subject: (hats) MWH Rarities?
Date: 26 Mar 1998 17:11:04 -0500
Just wondering if any of the following is a MWH rarity:
12" Vinyl:
#1 - Where Do The Boys Go (extended) - Promo side A & B
#2 - Pop Goes The World 12"
1 - Boom Box - Single Mix
2 - Extended - Dance Mix
3 - Dub Mix
4 - Dance Mix
#3 - Safety Dance Extended Club Mix - 4:32 sides A & B
CD's
#4 - 1 - Moonbeam (Beam Me Up Radio Edit)5:49
2 - Home On The Beam (House is a Home Mix) 5:55
3 - Moonbeam (Back Apella Vocal) 3:42
4 - Jenny Wore Black - 2:57
#5 1 - Safety Dance UK Remix
2 - Safety Dance - Original Aussie Version
From what I can tell these are the only cd's/vinyl I have that contain
tracks not available on the album releases.
Kerry Gordon - Toronto
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From: ccampbell@spindle.net (ccampbell@spindle.net)
Subject: (hats) ???
Date: 26 Mar 1998 20:25:39 -0600
To all:
Does anybody know what this is?:
Band/Artist 'HATS,MEN WITHOUT'
FIRST EP! LP:10` $30.00 +10% -- rare early independent ep
C.Campbell
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: (hats) Folk of the 80s
Date: 26 Mar 1998 21:50:41 -0500
> To all:
>
> Does anybody know what this is?:
>
>
> Band/Artist 'HATS,MEN WITHOUT'
>
> FIRST EP! LP:10` $30.00 +10% -- rare early independent ep
>
>
> C.Campbell
Thats got to be Folk of the Eighties I EP.
Folk of the Eighties II (ROY demo cassette) the second one was never
released.
Tom
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From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <arbastie@crim.ca>
Subject: Re : (hats) ???
Date: 26 Mar 1998 22:52:46 -0500
I think this EP includes Antartica, Freeways, Security, Modern dancing and
another song. This is a collector's item, very hard to find even here in
Montreal. On my own point of view, GET IT!
Al.
(Has it is a smaller white sleeve with the MWH logo on it? Folk of the 80's
Part One?)
>
>To all:
>
>Does anybody know what this is?:
>
>
>Band/Artist 'HATS,MEN WITHOUT'
>
>FIRST EP! LP:10` $30.00 +10% -- rare early independent ep
>
>
>C.Campbell
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Re: PEACE!
Date: 26 Mar 1998 08:12:03 -0500 (EST)
Oh, thanks Eric! Tryin' to destroy what little credibility I have
left after being exposed as the true proud, arrogant, American that
I am, eh? Uh, huh. I see what's going on!
Myke
P.S. Big grin! :-)
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From: dolphind@interlog.com
Subject: (hats) Ivan on Camilla Scott
Date: 27 Mar 1998 00:48:38 -0800
Someone had mentioned that Ivan was on the Camilla Scott talk show some
time ago. I called them and it is scheduled to be repeated on May 1st,
1998. So if you missed it like I did, don't miss it the second time around.
Kirk
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 26 Mar 1998 15:44:59 -0500 (EST)
If I'd just come out and said, "Y'know, if we would all just stick
to the plan of functioning as a representative republic instead of
trying to turn this list into a democracy with regards to this concert,..."
Who then would have understood what the heck I was trying to say?
Hence my choice to employ an analogy to illustrate the point more
clearly.
Personally, I know nary a soul who regularly uses the term
"representative republic" in their everyday speech - yet that is
the correct term to use in this situation. This is why I decided
to draw a more colourful picture with more commonly recognized
examples. It was not an effort to teach. It was an effort to
make my own thoughts and concepts a little bit easier to follow
and understand. I am told routinely by coworkers that I think
and speak on another "level" or "wavelength" than the one on
which they do - but I don't always see it when it's happening.
All I can do is simply be aware that it has happened often in
the past and can possibly happen again at any time. I don't
like the fact that it happens and was attempting to prevent
it from happening at such a sensitive period in the history
of this list. Right now, I'm sure somebody's out there
misinterpreting this very message, thinking I'm bragging
about myself. I never once thought somebody would have
interpreted my previous posts as waving an American flag
in everybody's face.
Now what *this* has to do with the Hats concert, I've no idea.
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Big Ten-Inch Record
Date: 26 Mar 1998 22:04:43 -0500 (EST)
But was the Fot80s EP released as a 10" EP? My copy is a 12" disc.
Myke
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From: <pleh@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Big Ten-Inch Record
Date: 27 Mar 1998 00:16:56 -0800 (PST)
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:
>
> But was the Fot80s EP released as a 10" EP? My copy is a 12" disc.
Yes- the first release was a 10", then the Stiff 12", then the Freeways
12" with all the Fot80s songs on the flip side.
dave
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From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <gigarpus@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: (hats) Big Ten-Inch Record
Date: 27 Mar 1998 11:03:43 -0500
LORD HASENPFEFFER a =E9crit:
>=20
> But was the Fot80s EP released as a 10" EP? My copy is a 12" disc.
As it is clearly mentioned in Lazlo's Men Without Hats discography
(http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats), 10" in Canada, 12" in the S=
tates...
Take care
Claude
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From: Senz <senz@nucleus.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Dear Myke,
Date: 27 Mar 1998 09:58:32 -0700
> I am told routinely by coworkers that I think
> and speak on another "level" or "wavelength" than the one on
> which they do - but I don't always see it when it's happening.
It's pretty hard to be on the same "level" when I'm recieving your thursday
posts on friday!! Okay, let's put this one behind us and get ready for the next
one.... (sigh)!
btw Myke, do you think we've stopped people from arguing about the concert?
That was our plan all along, eh? ;-)
Senz
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Oh...this list is a political forum, great!
Date: 27 Mar 1998 12:52:50 EST
In a message dated 98-03-25 11:46:20 EST, senz@nucleus.com writes:
> p.s. since this list has become a forum for expressing our political views,
I
> will be drafting a twenty thousand word manifesto outlining how I believe
> hats members should behave from now on, and which I will post in 10
segments
> per day until sometime in the year 2010. Unless someone has a problem with
> this?
>
> :-)
>
> Senz again
>
roflmfao!
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Dear Myke,
Date: 27 Mar 1998 13:09:19 EST
In a message dated 98-03-27 12:01:42 EST, senz@nucleus.com writes:
>
> btw Myke, do you think we've stopped people from arguing about the concert?
> That was our plan all along, eh? ;-)
>
> Senz
>
what plan, senz? stopping being people? or arguing about the concert?
*sly wink*
Charlotte
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Senz,
Date: 27 Mar 1998 13:32:06 -0500 (EST)
I too have noticed the incredible delay between the time I send
a message and the time it is posted. Sometimes 8-10 hours pass between
them.
And, yes, I do believe the list has ceased to argue about the concert!
What if we told everybody that it was all a big hoax that worked? :-)
Myke
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) ???
Date: 27 Mar 1998 17:29:38 -0500 (EST)
CD #8 is shipping already?
Where's my copy? :-)
Myke
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) I want the THE SPELL album
Date: 27 Mar 1998 17:41:54 EST
here is where you can get it:
HMV in montreal. the phone number is 1-800-567-2442. and that will work from
the states. ask to be transferred downstairs (it is a three level store with
about 200 employees!). I always speak to Sharon. I paid $17.59 total u.s.
dollars to have The Spell delivered to my mailbox about 3 days after i ordered
it.
there is one technicality with using a credit card (one i admire for its
safety purposes), you must fax them a signed note authorizing hmv to use your
card, which they will keep on record. fax# is 514-875-9158. i have to say it
is the finest music store i have ever seen!
(they also have pgtw, 21st century, sideways and greatest hats)
bye
Aerechui
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 27 Mar 1998 20:18:59 EST
Hey gang....
Dave Byrne told me he still waiting any news from Ivan himself. It seems Mr.
Doroschuk is a busy guy between Toronto, Montreal and New York.
The show won't be public, ONLY FOR FANS, WITHOUT ANY PROFIT! (except for the
band itself)
You are free to bring any one you want.
Ciao
Francis
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 27 Mar 1998 20:40:15 -0500
> Hey gang....
>
> Dave Byrne told me he still waiting any news from Ivan himself. It seems
Mr.
> Doroschuk is a busy guy between Toronto, Montreal and New York.
>
>
> The show won't be public, ONLY FOR FANS, WITHOUT ANY PROFIT! (except for
the
> band itself)
>
> You are free to bring any one you want.
>
> Ciao
>
> Francis
Is everyone feeling a little better now?
Tom
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Dear Tom Norman,
Date: 28 Mar 1998 15:33:27 -0500 (EST)
I replied to your most recent post but it bounced back to me as
undeliverable.
To answer your question...
Feelin' just fine here, dude!
Myke
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 28 Mar 1998 16:13:24 EST
In a message dated 98-03-27 20:21:14 EST, JDivito334@aol.com writes:
> Hey gang....
>
> Dave Byrne told me he still waiting any news from Ivan himself. It seems
Mr.
>
> Doroschuk is a busy guy between Toronto, Montreal and New York.
>
>
> The show won't be public, ONLY FOR FANS, WITHOUT ANY PROFIT! (except for
the
> band itself)
>
> You are free to bring any one you want.
>
> Ciao
>
> Francis
>
yaHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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From: Senz <senz@nucleus.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan chat
Date: 28 Mar 1998 17:16:19 -0700
Does anyone else feel a little let down by the promises made during the
chat.
1. new video "1972"
2. new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
3. new Ivan material out around the same time
4. promo package from Tox
5. world domination
(okay, the last one I really wasn't expecting!)
I wonder if Ivan is feeling a bit let down too.
also...I've put "Nationale 7" on my Gallery of Cover Art page
http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm
Senz
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From: HarpiChick <HarpiChick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan chat *let down...???* :/
Date: 29 Mar 1998 03:58:30 EST
In a message dated 98-03-28 19:23:06 EST, Senz write:
>
> 1. new video "1972"
> 2. new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
> 3. new Ivan material out around the same time
> 4. promo package from Tox
> 5. world domination
>
welp, one outta five ain't too bad;)
personally, i wouldn't be surprised if the new MWH material came out around
the first part of `99...
dunno about the Ivan material...
promo package/TOX...*stifling much giggling*....
world domination?...
been there, done that....
NEXT?
;)
i certainly do not feel let down...the only direction from where this all
stands for now is forward,and whatever happens re: the other stuff will happen
at it's own pace...what we have for now is good enough for me, as there is
only MORE to look forward to:)
ttyl,
Charlotte
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan chat *let down...???* :/
Date: 29 Mar 1998 14:05:39 -0500
>> 1. new video "1972"
>> 2. new Men Without Hats album out by January 98
>> 3. new Ivan material out around the same time
>> 4. promo package from Tox
>> 5. world domination
1. Well, there is a video for "1972 (Slippin' Away)", I haven't seen it :(
But others on the list have. Can anyone describe what happens in the video?
2-4. It is usually difficult to release an album by the proposed deadline.
Maybe there are final tracks recorded but there wasn't any time to put
together the album. Maybe it's also because of the ice storm Montreal
endured in January which delayed the album. Maybe Ivan meant in January
they would start recording. As for the promo package, a theory I have is
maybe Ivan was a little over his head when he gave us the phone number.
suddenly, everyone on the list dialed it and got an answering machine.
Maybe it got erased? Who knows. Maybe the promopackages got lost (it could
happen). Maybe they are still being made?
5. Well, that takes time :) So far, some of us on the list are doing a
good job initializing it. For example, the bootlegs are pretty popular and
so are the t-shirts! Now we have a fan-produced cover CD on the drawing
board. A few fan websites and Ivan on Camilla Scott and TSN! What will be
next? Ivan on "Definition"? :D
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Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele
883 Fan Page...dal Canada?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3603
Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7994
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From: "icehouse" <icehouse@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (hats) Looking for help from fellow collectors in Japan
Date: 24 Mar 1998 23:24:35 PST
I'm a huge fan of Ivan, but I am currently attempting to find a CD that =
went out of print just last year in 1997 by Mayumi.
The Japanese pop songwriter issued a CD called The Art Of Romance (For =
Life Reocrds) in 1993 and I am desperately looking for a copy of it. As =
fellow collectors you know how it feels to want.
If anyone out there can offer a helping hand I would appreciate it.
Just contact me direct
Gordon
icehouse@worldnet.att.net
THANK YOU
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From: Donald Stroud <dstroud@arwen.Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Concert
Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:00:33 -0800 (PST)
> I want to tell everyone that if you want to be sure this show happens, one
> good way to help the effort is NOT to bicker on this list! So let's stop this
> nonsense before it ruins everything!!!!!!!!!!!
>
I am in no way trying to undermine or sabotage the show. I just made a
decision on my own, and that decision happens to be that I don't want to
go now.
To everyone who plans on attending the concert: have fun!
=============================================================================
Don2
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From: Chris Schumann <whizkid@dwave.net>
Subject: (hats) Snipefest
Date: 25 Mar 1998 12:15:28 -0600 (CST)
Instead of not going to the show, I'm tempted to unsubscribe form the
list. All these long winded responses are this close to useless in my
mind: The people who write them are doing nothing. I just don't read them,
and I don't want them in my inbox any more.
I'd like to read things about Men Wihtout Hats, not about how we can all
get along, or who said what or what anyone else thinks about what anyone
said. I just don't care, and from the list of contributors, I'd guess most
of us list readers don't care either.
In the interest of the list, please take issue with someone via e-mail. If
you want others' opinions, have them send it via e-mail and post a
(brief!) summary.
As for the venue, admission and ticket policies, guest list and play list,
none of you care what I think (and if you do, get help), so I will keep it
to myself or send my concerns to Francis and wait to see what is finalized
THEN decide if I want to attend.
Chris Schumann <whizkid@dwave.net>
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From: theartdept@att.net (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) buying THE SPELL album
Date: 28 Mar 1998 03:22:29 -0800
Hello.
Just wanted to say that I ordered The Spell from HMV in Toronto 1-800
567-8468 and it arrived within a week. I didn't have to fax them
authorisation, though, and I did use my visa card... it was less than $18
US including shipping.
I have also used A&B Sound in Vancouver (they didn't have The Spell on
release date). www.absound.ca They have the cheapest cds in Canada (and
likely the word, given the Canadian $ exchange rate, which is about .60
US!! They should also have PGTW, Greatest Hats, 21st Century, etc...
Best wishes,
Rod
Los Angeles
>here is where you can get it:
>HMV in montreal. the phone number is 1-800-567-2442. and that will work from
>the states. ask to be transferred downstairs (it is a three level store with
>about 200 employees!). I always speak to Sharon. I paid $17.59 total u.s.
>dollars to have The Spell delivered to my mailbox about 3 days after i ordered
>it.
> there is one technicality with using a credit card (one i admire for its
>safety purposes), you must fax them a signed note authorizing hmv to use your
>card, which they will keep on record. fax# is 514-875-9158. i have to say it
>is the finest music store i have ever seen!
>(they also have pgtw, 21st century, sideways and greatest hats)
>
> bye
> Aerechui
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From: "kathy beaupre" <kathyb@prcn.org>
Subject: (hats) do you know?
Date: 28 Mar 1998 20:51:55 -0800
HI ALL..
I am wondering who from I could get the CD folk of the 80's and ROY/FOE3
from?
I dont really feel up to ordering off the net ..
if you know what I mean.
thanx.
Michelle
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From: "kathy beaupre" <kathyb@prcn.org>
Subject: (hats) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:14:31 -0800
Date: 29 Mar 1998 20:53:28 -0700
I feel sad to hear of people wanting to leave the list because of this
past while.
a.k.a Chris.
I havent even talked to you yet and I dont want anyone to feel they should
leave the list
I am new here and yes i want to talk about MWH too...not the other stuff
that people have been debating lately.
SO HERE.
if anyone feels they have to leave the list
I am here to talk about MWH night and day non stop
=)
Michelle
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From: "kathy beaupre" <kathyb@prcn.org>
Subject: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...
Date: 29 Mar 1998 19:31:41 -0800
I need some help.
Me and my xfriend have been fighting lately and it is not verry
pretty.
I recieved a e-mail from ivan@toxrecords.com today and it
was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
e-mails and got him mad at me?
what do I do?
I would hate Ivan to hate me...and
if it is true it is a genuwine e-mail how do I
tell Ivan it was not me?
Michelle.
*Most unimpressed*
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...
Date: 29 Mar 1998 23:37:14 -0500
> I need some help.
> Me and my xfriend have been fighting lately and it is not verry
> pretty.
> I recieved a e-mail from ivan@toxrecords.com today and it
> was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
> or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
> OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
> e-mails and got him mad at me?
>
> what do I do?
> I would hate Ivan to hate me...and
> if it is true it is a genuwine e-mail how do I
> tell Ivan it was not me?
Yikes! That is terrible. Does Jolene have your e-mail password?
This would be the only way that she could have sent hate mail to Ivan with
YOUR e-mail address.
I am quite impressed that he actually replied to your e-mail. Ivan is a
very busy guy and he NEVER has time to reply to his TOX e-mail much less
read any of it.
What did he say - that you said - exactly?
Tom
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From: Woody Zenfell <woody@arl.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes Ivan...
Date: 30 Mar 1998 03:12:35 -0600 (CST)
It seems to me much more likely that Jolene "spoofed" a message "from"
Ivan's address. Making messages appear to come from an address not one's
own is an old trick. It seems unlikely that all of a sudden, the "deaf"
tox folks wake up and send a mean message (never mind Ivan himself). I
doubt anyone up there at Tox was involved or knows anything about it.
But, who knows? Shrug.
Woody
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Tom Norman wrote:
> > I recieved a e-mail from ivan@toxrecords.com today and it
> > was not verry nice...do I have reason to believe Ivan sent it to me?
> > or that Jolene my x friend hacked into his adress and sent it to me.
> > OR that she has all along been sending Ivan threatning and abusive
> > e-mails and got him mad at me?
>
> Yikes! That is terrible. Does Jolene have your e-mail password?
> This would be the only way that she could have sent hate mail to Ivan with
> YOUR e-mail address.
>
> I am quite impressed that he actually replied to your e-mail. Ivan is a
> very busy guy and he NEVER has time to reply to his TOX e-mail much less
> read any of it.
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From: "Richard Holdman" <richardh@alexanders.com>
Subject: (hats) VH1 Pop up video now online
Date: 29 Mar 1998 09:49:57 +0000
Well I got my video card on friday and I have been messing around
with it alot this weekend.
I put the Safety Dance VH1 Pop up video online this morning. I
converted two differnt ways. One is set for High Quality (14.2 meg)
and low quality (2.6)
The Web page can be found at http://www.holdman.com/mwh
If you need a mpg player you can download a good one with a 30 day
trial at http://www.xingtech.com
-Richard Holdman
Note: The CD-rom that I am making will have this video along with a
bunch of other stuff I get put on it.
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: (hats) do you know?
Date: 30 Mar 1998 13:56:35 +0000
Hi Hatters!
Michelle asked . .
> I am wondering who from I could get the CD folk of the 80's and ROY/FOE3
> from?
Thanks to Carl at Oglio and Mike in London (you guys should both be
sainted!), I have several of the 2-fers (ROY and F80s3 on one disk)
available. Contact me privately either at this address or at
jlkramer@interpath.com for more details.
Also, let's all remember to think positive thoughts for Francis and
his daughter Tania. While he has been trying to help organize the
private concert, Francis's baby daughter has been in the hospital for
surgery. We're all pulling for you, Francis!
:-) Laura
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan or not Ivan
Date: 30 Mar 1998 16:46:37 -0500
I am sory to hear that you and your friend aren't on good terms right now:(
I doubt that Ivan would send you hate e-mail. Not only is it unprofessional
(he owns Tox Records) but he doesn't seem to be the type of person to do
that (some people on the list met him and say he is a very nice person).
Unless your friend is a hacker genius, I doubt he/she hacked into his
e-maila count and sent you that e-mail. With netscape, you can change your
address to a different one. For example, your friend probably used netscape
and changed his/her address to ivan@toxrecords.com. There are some web
sites that let you send e-mail to others by changing your adress. Such
sites let yous end hate mail to your boss, for example. Maybe that is what
your friend did. If he/she actually sent you that mail. Maybe it was
someone else playing a joke?
I am not sure how you can verify that it was indeed Ivan or someone else who
sent you the mail. I would discard it and pretend nothing happened. Your
friend might eventually ask about it then you'll know for sure. I would
wait to see if you get another one. Even if Ivan did send such an unlikely
e-mail to you, I highly doubt he would send another one! :) He is a very
very very busy person apparently flying fron Montreal, Toronto, and New York
on a frequent basis. Does anyone know what he does in those cities?
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 30 Mar 1998 18:20:01 EST
Hi hatters.
I spoke to Dave Byrne regarding our private show.
Instead of giving my comments (because it's not something I want to put
public), here is the answer I received for the show.
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Mr. Byrne :" I received some news from Ivan, he's not enthousiastic to do a
MWH retrospective."
Francis: "Money is not a problem, we are ready to pay 35$ per ticket, if we
are 200, it's 7000$ PLUS tell him again we are the REAL FANS, only the
cream"
Mr. Byrne :" I already told that to Ivan."
Francis :"If Ivan is alone, would it be possible to get old MWH songs ??"
Mr. Byrne :" Unfortunately, there is only 2 songs from MWH, PGTW and SAFETY
DANCE. He goes on stage with a DAT (instrumental version) and he is signing
over".
Francis: "Could you insist again???"
Mr. Byrne :" I'll see what I can do."
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Ivan wants to be known as IVAN, the SOLO ARTIST.
I have nothing more to add, I don't want to write bad words against the
artist.
I will wait any development this week, Don't worry, I WANT THIS SHOW.
Are you interested to get Ivan only????
Ciao!
Francis
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show --- UPDATE
Date: 30 Mar 1998 18:21:02 EST
Hi hatters.
I spoke to Dave Byrne regarding our private show.
Instead of giving my comments (because it's not something I want to put
public), here is the answer I received for the show.
---------------
Mr. Byrne :" I received some news from Ivan, he's not enthousiastic to do a
MWH retrospective."
Francis: "Money is not a problem, we are ready to pay 35$ per ticket, if we
are 200, it's 7000$ PLUS tell him again we are the REAL FANS, only the
cream"
Mr. Byrne :" I already told that to Ivan."
Francis :"If Ivan is alone, would it be possible to get old MWH songs ??"
Mr. Byrne :" Unfortunately, there is only 2 songs from MWH, PGTW and SAFETY
DANCE. He goes on stage with a DAT (instrumental version) and he is signing
over".
Francis: "Could you insist again???"
Mr. Byrne :" I'll see what I can do."
--------------
Ivan wants to be known as IVAN, the SOLO ARTIST.
I have nothing more to add, I don't want to write bad words against the
artist.
I will wait any development this week, Don't worry, I WANT THIS SHOW.
Are you interested to get Ivan only????
Ciao!
Francis
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From: Donald Stroud <dstroud@arwen.Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: (hats) Some levity amidst the tension
Date: 30 Mar 1998 15:14:17 -0800 (PST)
By request, I am resending my treasure trove of Ivan and MWH jokes, in
the hope that their unbridled hilarity and explosive laugh-making will
quell the rising tide of vitriol that has permeated this list, and
in its place spread happiness and hand-holding and a feeling of pure joy.
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REALLY FUNNY MEN WITHOUT HATS JOKES
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Q. What does Ivan wear when he's afraid he'll get mugged?
A. The Safety Pants.
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Q. What is Ivan's favorite dessert?
A. Tira-MITSOU.
***
Q. What did Ivan's butcher say?
A. "I got the sausage!"
***
Ivan's friend Lee was a very talented tailor. One night, at a party,
Lee began bragging about a wonderful roll of fabric he had bought.
Ivan, his friend Richie, and Richie's wife Coco were at this party.
They couldn't really believe that Lee's new fabric could be that
exciting. A little aggravated, Lee dashed upstairs, intent on producing
his purchase and showing them how fabulous it was. Alas, Lee had downed
a few too many beers, and as he began to come down the stairs, an
unwrapped flap of fabric slipped between his feet, tripping him up.
He fell forward, the fabric unrolling around him as he tumbled. He came
to a stop at the bottom of the stairs, unconcious and wrapped in cloth.
Ivan saw all this, and yelled to the other people in the room:
"Coco! Richie! Lee's tangled in velour!"
***
Q. What did Ivan's Jewish friend ask him when he was looking for the
Non-Jewish String Quartet's studio?
A. "Where do the goys bow?"
***
Q. What science topics does Ivan like to read about the most?
A. Ant-articles.
***
Don2
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From: "kathy beaupre" <kathyb@prcn.org>
Subject: (hats) Thank you all
Date: 30 Mar 1998 17:07:21 -0800
Well it seems to me Jolene faked the e-mail from Ivan..
you are right..if Tox has no time to 'update' there darn webpage
why would they have the time to reply to a fan?!
and as for Ivan.I never really doubted him..I didnt think he was that
type of guy.
but thanx for reasuring me
your fan club friend
---Michelle
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From: Charles Farnum <farnumw@00.asheville-school.org>
Subject: (hats) clarity on "editions of you"
Date: 31 Mar 1998 07:19:27 -0500
editions of you does not appeaar on either the 2fer or on the FO80's3
lp. it does however appear on the practice tape for FO80's3 in two
different versions(that on cd 5). Two furhter confuse things on the
collection the copy right is listed the same year as FO80's3. WAs it put
out on ep that year or was it only available on the tape version. if any
one can clarify this please do so quickly
thanks
whit
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From: Charles Farnum <farnumw@00.asheville-school.org>
Subject: (hats) this a test
Date: 31 Mar 1998 11:57:53 -0500
please reply if you recive this iam not sure if my out going mail is
actually leaving
thanks
whit
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From: Daniele Rossi <daniele@interlog.com>
Subject: (hats) clarify this too :) & Ivan's decision
Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:58:56 -0500
about the song Freeways, is it an actual single or previously unreleased
track? For it to be a single, it was released on an EP after RoY with 4
others songs which just happen to be the ones from their first EP. Yet, all
the different versions were available on the RoY cassette. Then again,
"Freeways" on the EP was a remix. Come to think of it, I guess that's why
Ivan called it a secret single on the RoY tour.
As for the private concert, it is a shame that Ivan doesn't want to do the
concert. Personally, I don't mind. It would have been great, but you have
to respect his wishes. I'm still going to Montreal this summer anyway (it's
fun to travel!) but I wonder why Ivan wanted to be known as Ivan the solo
artist an dnot Ivan the Men Without Hats. I mean, on Camilla Scott he said
a Men Without Hats CD will be released some time from now. Maybe after all
the hard work he put into "The Spell" he still wants to promote that and
himself as a solo artist. Sure I'd be interested in seeng Ivan the solo
artist but to tell you the truth, it would be too awkward. Or maybe I am
hopeing to get a chance to see Men Without Hats in concert as i wasn't able
to before. I know Ivan as Men Without Hats not Ivan as th solo artist.
Maybe it's too soon to think that way. If he relased another solo album,
then it can be safe to think of him as the solo artist.
Well, whatever Ivan says, I wouldn't be too sad. We tried our best (LOTS OF
APPLAUS TO FRANCIS!!) and got father than we ever thought imaginable. Hey,
Ivan seems to be considering it, after all he or his manager asked if we
would be interested in only Ivan the solo artist performing.
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From: "Tom Norman" <tnorman@mail.netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: (hats) clarify this too :) & Ivan's decision
Date: 31 Mar 1998 17:57:19 -0500
> about the song Freeways, is it an actual single or previously unreleased
> track? For it to be a single, it was released on an EP after RoY with 4
> others songs which just happen to be the ones from their first EP. Yet,
all
> the different versions were available on the RoY cassette. Then again,
> "Freeways" on the EP was a remix. Come to think of it, I guess that's
why
> Ivan called it a secret single on the RoY tour.
Wasn't the 7" for National7 released before ROY and right after FOLKI.
Back then Freeways was called National7 only.
I am almost positive that all the other versions were also recorded in 80
as well. Freeways Euromix, may have been remixed in 85 but im not sure.
Anyone?
> As for the private concert, it is a shame that Ivan doesn't want to do
the
> concert. Personally, I don't mind. It would have been great, but you
have
> to respect his wishes. > Well, whatever Ivan says, I wouldn't be too sad.
We tried our best (LOTS OF
> APPLAUS TO FRANCIS!!) and got father than we ever thought imaginable.
Hey,
> Ivan seems to be considering it, after all he or his manager asked if we
> would be interested in only Ivan the solo artist performing.
You all have to remember, Ivan is very busy with his "The Spell" Tour. He
is also very busy working on a new album -- at the same time. In order
for this concert to happen, Ivan would have to not only switch to his older
keyboards, but relearn how to play them and learn Alan M's parts as well.
Then he would need to put together ANOTHER tour theme -- just for our one
show.
This would take a great deal of time. I am guessing that this is why Ivan
is against it. Not worth the effort to put together a whole ACT for just
one show.
Tom
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From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Subject: Re: (hats) clarify this too :) & Ivan's decision
Date: 31 Mar 1998 17:55:05 -0500 (EST)
Is there a show or not?
Did we agree to Ivan performing as a solo artist or not?
I am a confused person.
But at least the weather is beautiful up here in Ithaca.
Collin
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From: Aerechui <Aerechui@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) freeways
Date: 31 Mar 1998 19:12:52 EST
my friend has a 12" of the extended mix of i got the message.
freeways is the b-side.
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From: JDivito334 <JDivito334@aol.com>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show
Date: 31 Mar 1998 20:00:20 EST
Hey!
I still have to wait the final answer... IT's not over till it's over!!!!
Ciao
Francis
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) Oh, and one more thing...
Date: 31 Mar 1998 21:10:05 -0500 (EST)
Angie wanted me to let everybody know that she doesn't look at all the
same now and that her two pictures with Ivan are the worst pictures of
her that have ever been taken!
But doesn't everybody say that about every picture they're in?
:-)
Myke
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From: ccampbell@spindle.net (ccampbell@spindle.net)
Subject: (hats) returned messages
Date: 31 Mar 1998 20:56:37 -0600
To R. Holdman:
My message to you in regard to the MWH CD-ROM keeps bouncing back. It
this your current e-mail address?
richardh@alexanders.com
C.Campbell
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <MYKEC@delphi.com>
Subject: (hats) A Moment We've All Been Waiting For...
Date: 31 Mar 1998 21:06:43 -0500 (EST)
...although most of you didn't know it until now, I would imagine!
Our friend, Angie, sent to me a stack of photos from her private
collection of when she attended a Men Without Hats concert in July 1985
in Providence, Rhode Island; USA. Also included were two photos of her
and Ivan inside the tour bus when they met, again in Providence, in
March 1988.
Finally! Finally! Finally!
They are all scanned and available online via my website for one and all
to see.
I've written a separate little HTML file for each image so that they
can be viewed in "slideshow" fashion. Just click on each image to
get to the next one in the series. The final image loops back around
to my own hats page, from where you will have entered the slideshow loop.
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm
is the URL you need to access. Then just click on the MWH logo at the
top of the page. That logo is now "Angie's Secret Link"! :-)
My site is best browsed at 600x800 resolution, fyi.
I didn't have time to putty up the HTML this evening so that
the borders around the pictures look fairly similar without
regard to which browser you use to view them. If you're using
Netscape they'll look great. If you're using Exploder, everything
will look really white and messy around the actual .gifs.
I'll see about getting this fixed before the end of the week.
Sorry that it took so long to get this done, Angie.
Nevertheless it is finished.
I may go back and rescan a few of the pix though as these were all
scanned in haste because my time with the scanner here at work is
quite limited.
Myke
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