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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD #5
Date: 01 Jan 1998 11:34:35 +0000


LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:
>
> I think it's funny that Ivan thought back in 1984 that Mick Jagger
> didn't know when to call it quits!  (He still doesn't!)  :-)))
>

The funnier part is that Mick Jagger was 40 at that time. Ivan is now
40, will he call it quits?

Take care

Claude

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Parlez vous?
Date: 01 Jan 1998 03:10:55 EST


>>>>>>CLIP!!<<<<<<<

> > lance a la mi-mai.
>  **launched in mid-May.
>
>  Whew!!!
>
>  Bonne Annee, everyone!
>
>  :-) Laura

You know, I was looking at this and I keep thinking the same thing over and
over... "I want to learn French"... (I'm taking Spanish currently) So I
started in school. I borrowed some French books and started trying to learn
French :)

What I wanted to know is if anyone's interested in doing a French-learning
group or something like that with others of us in the group that are French-
impaired and want to learn.

I don't know. I just thought that'd ask if anyone's interested in learning
French and hasn't taken any action on it.

If anyone doesn't quite understand what I'm trying to ask, I appologize. It's
3:00am, I'm tired and it was a heckuva party. Good night, Feliz el a±o
prospero!

                                                             Nick

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Parlez vous?
Date: 02 Jan 1998 17:17:29 EST


In a message dated 98-01-01 17:15:37 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> What I wanted to know is if anyone's interested in doing a French-learning
>  group or something like that with others of us in the group that are
French-
>  impaired and want to learn.
>
>  I don't know. I just thought that'd ask if anyone's interested in learning
>  French and hasn't taken any action on it.
>
heehee.....i barely scraped through rudimentary spanish by the skin of my
teeth...but i would love to learn french...between this and a friend of mine
who's fluent and could tutor me in the meantime:)
i'm up for this...anybody else?

ttyl,
Charlotte

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From: "Laura Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where did the list go?
Date: 05 Jan 1998 14:16:31 +0000


Hi everybody!

Is is just me, or has the list been really slow?  I hope everyone
isn't *still* hung over from New Year's!!

My New Year has been a real drag.  Mr. Laura has bronchitis, so has
not exactly been a party animal.  I had to wake my *dog* up to get a
midnight kiss - I figured Cocoa would be less grumpy about being
awakened than Jim.  It was a close call.  ;-)

So make my New Year bright -  let's hear from you!!!!  Gonna go spin
the demo and cheer myself up. . . :-)

:-) Laura

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where did the list go?
Date: 06 Jan 1998 11:24:52 EST


sorry, laura....

my n.y.w/e was spent alternately either at work or sick in bed....I hope this
list will pick up soon as well *HINT, HINT!*
ttyl,
Your Den Mother,
Charlotte ;)

p.s.: may mr. laura be better and cocoa not too emotionally scarred, eh? ;)

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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bootmaster Tom's Demos
Date: 06 Jan 1998 18:21:46 +0100


Happy New Year, Hatters!

The year starts quite well:

Just after X-Mas I got Tom's new boots! What a great, late X-Mas gift!
Yes, until now it's really still a gift, as I couldn't send Tom the
stuff he wants from me until now. But you'll get it in about 2 weeks,
don't worry, Tom! What I wanted to say is: Yes, Tom is really the Hatter
that you all can trust! Remember: Tom was also the guy who filmed IVAN
for us in Montreal!

I don't know how he did it, but he really got the Demos for us! Great
cover-/ label artwork by Tom and really amazing material on the CD in
very good sound quality! The Demo Version of LIVING IN CHINA is
absolutely fantastic! Also very interesting to hear the great title
track of ROY which for some strange reason was never released on the
original album! I guess most of you know the long, beat-driven version
of BAN THE GAME from the Spectrum concert. Now you can hear the 'early
studio version'. Much, much better than the piano only short version on
the original album! And all the other previously unreleased tracks
besides ROY: GRAVITY IS MY ENIMY (really strange track!), 1999 (poppy!),
TREBLINKA (great atmosphere!). Also very interesting to hear early Demo
versions of brilliant tracks of the FOLK 3 album, such as WHERE DO THE
BOYS GO, UNSATISFACTION, I KNOW THEIR NAME! But a really strange one is
OU SONT MES MEN: Only some 'sounds' that last just for a few seconds.
Does anybody know what's that about?


Thomas
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) boot CDs info
Date: 06 Jan 1998 17:23:07 -0500


Hi everybody,
I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on with the Boot CDs.   I
realize that I have turned away some people in the last week or so for
Boots.  The truth of the matter is that I am all out.
    On the other hand, I promised "Mr. somebody" that I would share the
demos with everyone on the list.  Now, when I say that I am out of CDs.
This is the present tense.  This doesn't mean that I won't make some more
next week.  I just don't want to have another Todd situation.  The way to
avoid a Todd situation, in my opinion, is to make the CDs first, before any
agreements.
This way, if I tell you I can do it, they are already on the way.
Now for the time being, Russ Kemsley is doing the demoCD --> CD#5.  If you
would like that today, send him an e-mail.
Don't worry, I am not finished yet.  I need to begin on #4,6,7 CDs, thats
all.
While I am waiting on those, I may be doing some more 1,2,3 in  a month or
so, while Russ is doing 5.
The point is...... I am still moving, just not on 5 at the moment.

Oh yeah..... everyone keeps asking me who Mr. Somebody is.
I absolutely can't say who he is, that was the other part of the deal.   So
please quit asking......

Just do what I do:  "Thank you Mr. Somebody!!!!"

What the hec..... I am going to start on the new reissue of CD#3 tonight,
with no gaps in the tracks :-)

cheers

Tom
[e-mail]


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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where did the list go?
Date: 06 Jan 1998 19:03:15 EST


Happy New Year... Or unless you're a store, Happy Valentines Day!

Russ and Tom, the CD#5 sounds great! I haven't been able to look at the
pictures and stuff yet, but I will soon.

Enjoy another year of Hats, everyone!
Nick

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From: Fehnnik Foxtaur <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Where did the list go?
Date: 06 Jan 1998 17:15:52 -0700


Hey, I'm still here!  Now that I'm here, I might as well ask if anyone =
happens to know anything more about our private concert.  I'm planning a =
vacation in Montreal this year, and I would be awsome if I could =
schedule it at the same time!

--Fehnnik Foxtaur
"No, he wasn't the main bad guy who pretended to help you, I WAS the =
main bad guy who pretended to help you"


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Reply To:     [e-mail]
Sent:     Monday, January 05, 1998 7:16 AM


Hi everybody!

Is is just me, or has the list been really slow?  I hope everyone=20
isn't *still* hung over from New Year's!!



--Fehnnik Foxtaur
"No, he wasn't the main bad guy who pretended to help you, I WAS the =
main bad guy who pretended to help you"

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From: BDay0000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Demo CD
Date: 06 Jan 1998 21:54:04 EST


YESSSS!!!!!!  I got my Demo CD from Tom!!!!!!!  Actually, it was delivered to
my neighbor by a careless mailman.  Thank God that my neighbor is an honest
person.  I listened to it right away.  It seemed more like I was listening to
a friend's demo then a masterpiece in the making. But, it is excellent.
Something I will never let go of.  Just like my other 3 fan-based MWH CDs.
Damn, I love this list.

But, Tom, I missed out on the payment arrangement.  Could you please re-post
it to the list???

Thanks a million!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brad Day
Atlanta, GA

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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) It's a very special CD
Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:19:13 +0100


I recieved the demo CD a few days after Xmas, it is really great!!!
Thanks Tom, you're doing a great job!!
Been waiting for so long to get these songs and finally I have them.
In addition the preversions of FOT80sIII. Unbelievable.
1999 is excellent. I believe many of the tracks are even better
than on the commercial releases, e.g. the title track and Editions of You.

/PJ.

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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) boot CDs info
Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:28:30 +0100


What is CD 4,6 and 7???

/PJ.

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From: ADTooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) subscribe hats
Date: 07 Jan 1998 15:31:11 EST


subscribe hats

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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) subscribe hats
Date: 07 Jan 1998 18:25:24 PST


OK!  It's public now!  I'm an idiot!

(Laughing like mad)

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) subscribe hats
Date: 08 Jan 1998 00:54:19 EST


In a message dated 98-01-07 21:34:10 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> OK!  It's public now!  I'm an idiot!
>
>  (Laughing like mad)
>
>  Angie
>

Well, it certainly is a good thing that 'caning' is outlawed in this country,
eh? ;)

Cheers,
Charlotte

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) General interest
Date: 08 Jan 1998 11:49:27 +0000


Hi all!

Just wanted to let you know there is some crisis here in Quebec, Canada.
Due to very bad weather (rain turning into ice on contact), 33% of the
population have no electricity. And the situation is only getting worst.
The government has called the army in. So if you are wondering why you
are not earing from a friend from here, it may be because he or she is
"powerless". Things should be back to normal within a week.

Take care

Claude

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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2fer
Date: 08 Jan 1998 13:12:01 -0800


I would just like to publicly thank Mrs. Kramer for the opportunity to buy
the 2fer CDs.  I just recieved my today after school.  It sounds incredible!
Thanx much!

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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Did you 'get the message'(Bootmaster Tom's Demos)
Date: 09 Jan 1998 11:52:25 +0100


Hi folks!

Normally when I send a message to the list, I get a normal CC (which I
get from all the e-mails I send) and the '(hats)-copy' from
xmission.com. But I haven't got the last one this time. So is this just
another stupid mistake of our University computers, or haven't you 'got
the message'? Please answer, Hatters! This was the message (from
January, 6th):

> Happy New Year, Hatters!
>
> The year starts quite well:
>
> Just after X-Mas I got Tom's new boots! What a great, late X-Mas gift!
> Yes, until now it's really still a gift, as I couldn't send Tom the
> stuff he wants from me until now. But you'll get it in about 2 weeks,
> don't worry, Tom! What I wanted to say is: Yes, Tom is really the Hatter
> that you all can trust! Remember: Tom was also the guy who filmed IVAN
> for us in Montreal!
>
> I don't know how he did it, but he really got the Demos for us! Great
> cover-/ label artwork by Tom and really amazing material on the CD in
> very good sound quality! The Demo Version of LIVING IN CHINA is
> absolutely fantastic! Also very interesting to hear the great title
> track of ROY which for some strange reason was never released on the
> original album! I guess most of you know the long, beat-driven version
> of BAN THE GAME from the Spectrum concert. Now you can hear the 'early
> studio version'. Much, much better than the piano only short version on
> the original album! And all the other previously unreleased tracks
> besides ROY: GRAVITY IS MY ENIMY (really strange track!), 1999 (poppy!),
> TREBLINKA (great atmosphere!). Also very interesting to hear early Demo
> versions of brilliant tracks of the FOLK 3 album, such as WHERE DO THE
> BOYS GO, UNSATISFACTION, I KNOW THEIR NAME! But a really strange one is
> OU SONT MES MEN: Only some 'sounds' that last just for a few seconds.
> Does anybody know what's that about?
>
>
> Thomas
> [e-mail]
>

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From: fixit <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tom Norman
Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:52:53 -0800


Hello fellow Hatters!

I got my 3 CD collection from Tom Norman.  The sound quality on these
are awesome!  Thanks Again!

In reference to the question relating to starting a group on French
pronunciations I would love to join that group. I need Major refreshing
on it.  I feel bad, my Mother was from Paris and since she has passed
away I haven't really spoken much.  :-(

I hope most of you are having a Great New Year so far!

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal down
Date: 10 Jan 1998 11:30:42 -0500


Hello everyone,

I see that Claude, Francis, and our other fellow members from Quebec
haven't written to the list lately.  Some of you may not know, Montreal
is in a state of ermergency right now.  Actually, only large chunks of
the city.  there is no electricity, no sewage treatment, and something
else, I think water but I could be wrong.  In fact, Ottawa is also in a
state of emergency, but not as bad as Montreal.  I should also add that
parts of southern Quebec  and western Ontario are hit, too.

What happened was Montreal has freezing rain for 4 days (!!!!).  Due to
the build-up of ice on trees and power lines, they keep falling.  So
they crash through parked cars, and people's homes.  No one can go to
work, everything is closed and people are getting food poisioning
because the refrigerators aren't working.  It will take days to restart
the city--there will be a delay due to some electrical towers which
crashed down onto the ground due to the ice.

I am lucky that the "ice storm" sended before it reached Toronto.

I still get e-mail from a friend of mine in Montreal, so I figured
perhaps our Montreal members live in the area where it was hit.

So if you did any postal correspondence, e-mail, etc, expect a delay.  I
assume also the mailing for the special cd from Tox records will be
delayed as well (I assume also Ivan's new album, etc).

Just out of couriosity, Tom, since you have a satellite dish, could you
tell me if Musique Plus is still broadcasting?


I'll keep Montreal in my prayers.

Daniele

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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MP3 Archive
Date: 10 Jan 1998 18:53:49 -0800


I had a quick question about the organization of the MP3 archive.  I have
noticed that directories have been popping up with nothing in them.  Also,
someone mentioned "Freeways" was in there twice.  Is ther a method to your
maddness?

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 11 Jan 1998 10:31:41 EST


HEy.... MONTREAL IS BACK!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YESSSSSSSS

Incredible, you dont know what we pass thru.... ARGGGG

Last monday, the snow turned to be freezin rain.  ALL WEEK, FREEZING RAIN.
Imagine the result on the electricity cable.   We lost electricity for a
couple of days.  The government called the army to help people.

Now, we are sunday morning here.  In montreal, everything is almost come back
to normal, but on the south shore, they still miss electricity.

I never saw a situation like that.  Ouf, I hope its over now!

Ciao

Francis

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) translation of article (5/97, i think)
Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:28:05 EST


howdy hatters:)

um...I'm writing in re: to the article that various list members were trying
to crack the code on....I cannot locate the orginal sender, or subsequent
postings, but I think it may just be a french version of the original TOX
records 'press release'...I was in the TOX site, and ventured into that
option, and what I read was almost verbatim to what the french article
translated to...:/

just my $0.02 worth...

Charlotte

p.s.: I have tried posting a couple of emails now to ivan's TOX-site address,
only to have it returned as 'user not found',...*blah...blah...blah...*...I am
a bit confused, as I am sending it directly to the address that is prompted
thru the options I chose through the TOX email site....I am MORE than a wee
bit puzzled about this, folx:/...if anyone has a correct email address for
him, would he/she/they be so kind as to forward it to me, please??!?

thanks again, and ttyl,
-C-

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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Very Best Of Men Without Hats
Date: 09 Jan 1998 09:46:39 PST


I came across the following posting while searching in Dejanews. Is this
the  2 for 1 CD  I've read about ? or has somebody else reissued MWH
material ?

Alan
Message-ID:   <692id2$rf8$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups:   alt.music.synthpop
[More Headers]


Just bought "The Very Best Of Men Without Hats". It appears that this CD
is
actually a double package of their "Rhythm Of Youth" and "Folk Of The
80's"
albums, despite the misleading title. Can someone please confirm this.
The
track listing is as follows :

1. The Safety Dance
2. Living In China
3. I Got The Message
4. Where Do The Boys Go ?
5. Antartica
6. Folk Of The 80's
7. I Like
8. No Dancing
9. The Great Ones Remember
10. Eurotheme
11. Unsatisfaction
12. Cocoricci (Le Tango Des Voleurs)
13. Things In My Life
14. Messiahs Die Young
15. I Know Their Name
16. I Sing Last / Not For Tears

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) translation of article (5/97, i think)
Date: 12 Jan 1998 12:27:52 -0500


Charlotte,

I was the original sender, and it's been confirmed that the text was a
mediocre translation of the original English Tox release into French.

Dave Mattingly

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From: "Laura Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:04:37 +0000


Hi Hatters!

Francis said
> HEy.... MONTREAL IS BACK!!!!!!!

Welcome back to all our Quebecois friends!!!  I was getting ready to
hook up my sled dog and mush you up a care package!!!

If Lazlo doesn't mind, could everyone from the affected areas please
write in as you get power back so we know you're safe!!!!

:-) Laura

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tox's e-mail address
Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:51:12 -0500



>p.s.: I have tried posting a couple of emails now to ivan's TOX-site address,
>only to have it returned as 'user not found',...*blah...blah...blah...*...I am
>a bit confused, as I am sending it directly to the address that is prompted
>thru the options I chose through the TOX email site....I am MORE than a wee
>bit puzzled about this, folx:/...if anyone has a correct email address for
>him, would he/she/they be so kind as to forward it to me, please??!?


It's probably because their Internet provider is located in the area of
Montreal still without electricity.  Or maybe Tox did not pay thier Internet
bills ;)

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Tox's e-mail address
Date: 12 Jan 1998 14:04:28 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 13:58:23 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> p.s.: I have tried posting a couple of emails now to ivan's TOX-site
address,
>  >only to have it returned as 'user not
found',...*blah...blah...blah...*...I
> am
>  >a bit confused, as I am sending it directly to the address that is
prompted
>  >thru the options I chose through the TOX email site....I am MORE than a
wee
>  >bit puzzled about this, folx:/...if anyone has a correct email address for
>  >him, would he/she/they be so kind as to forward it to me, please??!?
>
>
>  It's probably because their Internet provider is located in the area of
>  Montreal still without electricity.  Or maybe Tox did not pay thier
Internet
>  bills ;)
>
nope...this is not the case, daniele:/.....the last time i tried to send
something was a couple of days after the chat-infinit session(s) back in early
dec.

*muy frustrated!*
ttyl,
Charlotte

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:00:38 +0000


Hello all my friends!

Power is back here (after 65 hours of black-out, I was a lucky one).

Laura Kramer wrote:
>
> Hi Hatters!
>
> Francis said
> > HEy.... MONTREAL IS BACK!!!!!!!
>
> Welcome back to all our Quebecois friends!!!  I was getting ready to
> hook up my sled dog and mush you up a care package!!!
>
> If Lazlo doesn't mind, could everyone from the affected areas please
> write in as you get power back so we know you're safe!!!!

As Laura pertinently suggest, power is far from being restablish
everywhere in Quebec (and vicinity). At this time (monday 3:30 in the
afternoon) more than 400 000 homes are still without electricity!

I just finished reading 214 posts I received while I was cut off!

HarpiChick (aka Charlotte) wrote:
>
> p.s.: I have tried posting a couple of emails now to ivan's TOX-site address,
> only to have it returned as 'user not found',...*

Wow! Charlotte is the first person I heard of who had a reply from an
e-mail posting sent to TOX!!!! Great! How did you do it? I send numerous
postings to TOX for the past 6 months and had no reply (some kind of
bermuda triangle as far as I am concerned. I shows that they really care
about the fans...

Concerning the CD5 boot, why does the mister "somebody" wish to remain
anonymous? Smells very very bad. Why didn't Ivan answered to the
numerous inquiries of that secret man as to wether it was okay or not to
make the demos available to the fans? I just love those transparent
situation!

Concerning the Men Without Hats who's who list; I started a similar
thing with the Gentle Giant mailing list. In one week I received 5 time
more pictures from fans than I did in six months with the Men Without
Hats list! What does that tell us about MWH fans????

Feed back would be appreciated...

Take care

Claude

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From: "Laura Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:20:20 +0000


Hi all!

Claude said
> Concerning the Men Without Hats who's who list . . .
>[lack of] pictures . . .
> What does that tell us about MWH fans????

Umm, we're ugly?  We're shy <blush>?  We're lazy?  We don't have any
pictures of ourselves without a dog?  Sign me up for all of the
above!  ;-)

:-) Laura

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From: CDcollectr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) QUESTION
Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:40:20 EST


HAS ANYONE HEARD OF A VENUE CALLED "IRVING PLAZA" IN NEW YORK?
tHANKS FOR THE HELP

RAY

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Very Best Of Men Without Hats
Date: 12 Jan 1998 14:35:06 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 11:56:33 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I came across the following posting while searching in Dejanews. Is this
>  the  2 for 1 CD  I've read about ? or has somebody else reissued MWH
>  material ?

>>>>>>The
track listing is as follows :

1. The Safety Dance
2. Living In China
3. I Got The Message
4. Where Do The Boys Go ?
5. Antartica
6. Folk Of The 80's
7. I Like
8. No Dancing
9. The Great Ones Remember
10. Eurotheme
11. Unsatisfaction
12. Cocoricci (Le Tango Des Voleurs)
13. Things In My Life
14. Messiahs Die Young
15. I Know Their Name
16. I Sing Last / Not For Tears <<

Hey! Yes! Is this available? I thought I saw something like this. Laura? Is
this what it was you meant or was it someone else?

Nick

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MP3 Archive
Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:16:12 +0000


I had the archive open to FTP transfer and people could upload. Some
folks uploaded junk and sometimes just made folders with nothing in
them. I turned off write access to that dir so nobody can upload
anymore.

If anybody wants to upload any MWH mp3s send me a email message

-Richard Holdman

> I had a quick question about the organization of the MP3 archive.  I have
> noticed that directories have been popping up with nothing in them.  Also,
> someone mentioned "Freeways" was in there twice.  Is ther a method to your
> maddness?
>
> Aaron Gitlin
> http://kajjia.home.ml.org
> http://menwohats.home.ml.org
> Security, everyone feels better with...
>

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From: CDcollectr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Very Best Of Men Without Hats
Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:17:50 EST


there are only 4 tracks missing, or else it would be complete:

ban the game
ideas for walls
mother's opinion
the great one's remember (reprise)

ray

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:51:10 -0500 (EST)


CC:    MYKEC
Subj:    RE: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY

Welcom back, Claude!

You corrected some misspellings in my hats88.htm document recently.
I misplaced your URL though.  I, however, have also since completely
revamped that very document on my own.  Please go back to it and tell
me what words I need to correct and I will do that on my own ASAP.

And for those of you who haven't seen the new look at my site, check
it out!

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm

My site, and especially my hats page, is best viewed with Netscape at
800x600 resolution.  If you view it with Explorer, you won't get the
nifty white borders around each of the concert pictures, sorry.
It ain't my fault Bill Gates (of Hell) didn't make a browser which
supports the <BORDER> attribute for <IMG> tags.

If you've a method for achieving the same effect with Explorer that
I am unaware of, please let me know and I will make the change.

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Very Best Of Men Without Hats
Date: 12 Jan 1998 20:00:02 -0500 (EST)


And, of course, without "Mother's Opinion" it's really got a big,
gaping hole in its side.

Just my opinion (I'm sure my mother feels the same way about it),

Myke

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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Very Best Of Men Without Hats
Date: 12 Jan 1998 21:07:55 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 20:38:08 EST, you write:

<< And, of course, without "Mother's Opinion" it's really got a big,
 gaping hole in its side. >>

It would sound familiar, but it just wouldn't sound the same.

[e-mail]

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:01:54 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 16:05:50 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> HarpiChick (aka Charlotte) wrote:
>  >
>  > p.s.: I have tried posting a couple of emails now to ivan's TOX-site
> address,
>  > only to have it returned as 'user not found',...*
>
>  Wow! Charlotte is the first person I heard of who had a reply from an
>  e-mail posting sent to TOX!!!! Great! How did you do it? I send numerous
>  postings to TOX for the past 6 months and had no reply (some kind of
>  bermuda triangle as far as I am concerned. I shows that they really care
>  about the fans...
>
well...i went to the TOX WWW site, went to 'e-mail', went to 'ivan', which set
me up with the letter-writing stuff, sent the email off, and ...PRESTO!!?!

mailer-daemon sez:  'user not known/addressee not found'.....

and now, back to my current 'sour pickle' expression....>:/

glad you're back online, hon;)

ttyl,
Charlotte

p.s.: so *speaking about how much TOX cares about the fans*....has ANYONE
received their TOX promo goodies yet?
Hmmm?
>:/

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:03:48 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 16:31:36 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Claude said
>  > Concerning the Men Without Hats who's who list . . .
>  >[lack of] pictures . . .
>  > What does that tell us about MWH fans????
>
>  Umm, we're ugly?  We're shy <blush>?  We're lazy?  We don't have any
>  pictures of ourselves without a dog?  Sign me up for all of the
>  above!  ;-)
>
>  :-) Laura
>
>
uh...would a 'toon' version of myself count?
*cute face*
Charlotte :)

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:07:19 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 20:26:44 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Welcom back, Claude!
>
>  You corrected some misspellings in my hats88.htm document recently.
>  I misplaced your URL though.  I, however, have also since completely
>  revamped that very document on my own.  Please go back to it and tell
>  me what words I need to correct and I will do that on my own ASAP.
>
>  And for those of you who haven't seen the new look at my site, check
>  it out!
>
>  http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm
>
>  My site, and especially my hats page, is best viewed with Netscape at
>  800x600 resolution.  If you view it with Explorer, you won't get the
>  nifty white borders around each of the concert pictures, sorry.
>  It ain't my fault Bill Gates (of Hell) didn't make a browser which
>  supports the <BORDER> attribute for <IMG> tags.
>
>  If you've a method for achieving the same effect with Explorer that
>  I am unaware of, please let me know and I will make the change.
>
>  Myke
>
>
hey! i was WONDERING why i kept getting "blank" for a bit a couple of times
trying to check out that site of yours, but a couple of days ago, i saw the
new and improved version:):) GREAT JOB!!?!

ttyl,
Charlotte

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT ELECTRICITY
Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:12:04 EST


In a message dated 98-01-12 16:05:50 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Concerning the CD5 boot, why does the mister "somebody" wish to remain
>  anonymous? Smells very very bad. Why didn't Ivan answered to the
>  numerous inquiries of that secret man as to wether it was okay or not to
>  make the demos available to the fans? I just love those transparent
>  situation!
>
i *STILL think it's Marc ...

;)

Charlotte

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 07:09:20 -0500



> In a message dated 98-01-12 16:05:50 EST, [e-mail] writes:
>
> > Concerning the CD5 boot, why does the mister "somebody" wish to remain
> >  anonymous? Smells very very bad. Why didn't Ivan answered to the
> >  numerous inquiries of that secret man as to wether it was okay or not
to
> >  make the demos available to the fans? I just love those transparent
> >  situation!
> >
> i *STILL think it's Marc ...

Uh no!   Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who tried
to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.

And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?

Tom
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From: "Senz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 06:04:24 -0700



>You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?
>
>Tom



A-ha!!!  "Somebody" is male (observe the use of "Mr.") and is not Marc
Durand!!
I believe that narrows it down to some 2,600,000,000 people!

Keep trying hatters,  we'll solve this yet!     ;-)

Senz


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From: CDcollectr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) TANKS!!
Date: 13 Jan 1998 10:27:25 EST


back from vacation, and what do i find in my mailbox? the 3cd set from tom!!
all 3 discs sound AWESOME!!!! ( high praise from someone who is very picky
with their sound quality!) the artwork is also great!!  i wasn't expecting the
cd's or the artwork to look like they do. i figured silver discs with a piece
of paper w/ track listing. yeah right!!! i get full color back, front, and
inside color art plus colored discs. ( even the bottom of the discs are
blue!!)

thank you very much, tom!! these 3 discs have brought my collection up to 1700
even. you have come through in a very big way!!!!!

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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 12:17:00 +0000


Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.

Does it really matter who supplied them?  I have my own idea who I would
like to have made them available, and that`s what I'm sticking with.

Aside from the fact that we now know it wasn`t Marc Durand, it should
remain a mystery.


Si Wooldridge

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Lucent Technologies

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> In a message dated 98-01-12 16:05:50 EST, [e-mail] writes:
>
> > Concerning the CD5 boot, why does the mister "somebody" wish to
remain anonymous? Smells very very bad. Why didn't Ivan answered to the
numerous inquiries of that secret man as to wether it was okay or not
to make the demos available to the fans? I just love those transparent
situation!
> >
> i *STILL think it's Marc ...

Uh no!   Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and
FOLK, Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto
the masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who
tried to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.

And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?

Tom
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 12:44:08 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 07:13:18 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Uh no!   Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who tried
>  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>
>  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?
>
>  Tom
>  [e-mail]
>
uh....okie...:/

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:08:59 +0000


Senz wrote:
>
> >You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?
> >Tom
> A-ha!!!  "Somebody" is male (observe the use of "Mr.") and is not Marc
> Durand!!
> I believe that narrows it down to some 2,600,000,000 people!
> Keep trying hatters,  we'll solve this yet!     ;-)

It is nice to no we all have the "right" to know. What is strange is
that some seems to have more rights than others?

Wooldridge, Simon wrote:
>
> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.

Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
anonymous on something like that.

> Does it really matter who supplied them?

Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
you get it???????

> I have my own idea who I would
> like to have made them available, and that`s what I'm sticking with.

???????? Santa Claus maybe ;o)

> Aside from the fact that we now know it wasn`t Marc Durand, it should
> remain a mystery.

Lets all go for ignorance.... he, I mean mystery...

Take care everybody

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Songs of Mystery
Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:21:30 -0500


I think it's excellent having a mystery person instead of trying to figure
out who this person is.  It's a lot more fun that way :)  All we know is
it's some guy.  What if he's really a woman?  What if he's a master of
diguise? :D  So just enjoy it, have some fun.  But what's this talk about
fraud?  FRAUD?!  This is clearly not a case of fraud.  Come on, ya got the
songs, now enjoy 'em! :)

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 14:42:56 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 07:13:18 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who tried
>  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>
>  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?

<<Spit-shining pitchfork>> He's got ROY and Folk masters? You know, I wouldn't
mind having at least Rhythm of Youth on CD rather than just vinyl. Anyone care
to join me in a little corrective surgery...?

                                                                   I'm coming,
Marc :>
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Subject: (hats) Messaqge bounce is at it again...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 13:42:03 -0800


Quick question all, why do we care who Mr. Somebody is?  He is a great guy
> who is looking out for the welfare of us and MWH.  All we should do is
have
> Tom thank "Mr.""Somebody" for us and be done with it.  If s/he wanted
> themselves to be known, we'd know it!  So, lets all put away our pipes,
> overcoats, and fiddles and go back to our music!  Thank you, I've said my
> piece  -=).

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From: "Senz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Somebody
Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:51:53 -0700


>> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
>> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.
>
>Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
>for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
>anonymous on something like that.
>
>> Does it really matter who supplied them?
>
>Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
>you get it???????
>

>
>Claude
>


Claude, us knowing who it is isn't going to change anything.  People are
still going to listen to the demos and be greatful there was a Mr. Somebody
even if he had to kill to get them.  People might not admit it openly, they
might wave a finger at Mr. S but they'll be listening to the demos while
doing it!  Gee, I guess he'd be like a modern day Robin Hood wouldn't he?
Anyway, it is possible that Mr. S has a good self asteem and just doesn't
need his fifteen minutes of fame.  This is what I suspect and I commend him
for that.  I also wish to thank Mr. N for the work he put into the demos.
They sound awesome Tom, you obviously know what your doing there!

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mr. Somebody
Date: 13 Jan 1998 18:09:35 -0500 (EST)


It was Leper, wasn't it?!!

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) info about Mr. S
Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:00:15 -0500



Claude and other list members,
Just so you all don't worry that Mr. S has done something wrong,


"Somebody" wishes to remain anonymous only to collectors who would
pester "somebody" for more collectable stuff. "Somebody" has been
pestered for collectables from other bands too often and doesn't want
to deal with more.

Ivan had several direct opportunites to tell "somebody" not to give out
the demos and did not. (Not just in the recent chat session.)

I hope everyone is a little more at ease now.
Now lets get down to discussing how much we like all new stuff we have, ok?
This list should be jumping by now and its not.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 22:37:17 -0500


I love the demos.  Especially the RpY demos because they sond sooo
different!  They kind of remind me of the Dr. Who theme!  I am not sure
which series of Dr. who but if it helps the one witht he "whirlpool" opening
:)  Hey, I was 5 when that show was on.

"Living in HCina" reminds me of Freeways. Well, the beginning.  I love the
guitars in it.  Being all screechy and loud. Perfect!

In all the RoY demos, it is interesting to hear Ivan's voice in a differnet
tone than what we all heard on his albums (the commanding deep voice and the
soft one on PGTW).  "Treblinka" is GREAT.   But "Rythm of Youth" has GOT to
be the outstanding of the RoY demos.  I wonder what he means by the rythm of
youth is the rhythm of life and vice versa? "1999" rocks, too.  I like the
melody Ivan sings in the verses.  Very playful and casual.  If that makes
any sense.

As for the Fot80s3 demos, it's great to hear the "ealry versions" of the
songs.  "Editions of You" is slower and, I do admit, it's very relaxing!!!
"Ou sont mes men" sounds like it would make it today!!!  (Ivan, use it in
your next album!!)  But it's tooooooo short!  any song that is shorter than
"Ban The Game".....

I love the demos.  There is some great stuff here.  The RoY demos remind me
of the Freeways EP and i always have to listen to it after I hear them!

Today I was lsitening to my 2for1 (thanks again Carl!) and it's better now!
I hear the differnce between the demos and the final versions.  You actually
hear the progression, the creative process, etc.  Love it!

Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and record
this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
done? :)




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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) GEMM
Date: 13 Jan 1998 21:43:48 -0600


To all:

FYI:---  the GEMM web site   www.gemm.com   lists quite a few MWH items
available from various dealers.  Check it out if you haven't already.

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:38:53 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 15:16:17 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> > I have my own idea who I would
>  > like to have made them available, and that`s what I'm sticking with.
>
>  ???????? Santa Claus maybe ;o)
>
haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!!?!?!?!!!

l8r,
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:50:28 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 22:37:09 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
>  Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and
record
>  this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
>  done? :)
>
>
???
i thought they were to start on some new stuff within this next year?
???

btw: any news yet on whether or not the summer concert is still being
negotiated???i really need to look into when i go up to montreal (i'm
DEFINATELY going), and knowing whether or not this is happening (as well as
WHEN!) will oh-so-much be  needed:)

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc
Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:42:24 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 16:08:49 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> > Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  >  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  >  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who
tried
>  >  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>  >
>  >  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  >  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand,
ok?
>
>  <<Spit-shining pitchfork>> He's got ROY and Folk masters? You know, I
wouldn'
> t
>  mind having at least Rhythm of Youth on CD rather than just vinyl. Anyone
> care
>  to join me in a little corrective surgery...?
>
>                                                                     I'm
> coming,
>  Marc :>
>
> Nic
>
i got the rope, hon:)

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Lost some email & disc #5
Date: 13 Jan 1998 22:10:30 -0800


Hi all,

It has come to my attention that I have not been receiving email for the
last 3 or 4 days.

If you have sent me some mail that I should have replied to but haven't,
please resend it.

Also, if you want disc #5 let me know now...I'm about to wrap them up and
will most likely not offer them again unless there is a huge outcry. so let
me know now or forever hold your peace :)

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RoY Demos
Date: 14 Jan 1998 00:05:35 -0500 (EST)


Hey!

What's the full story surrounding the Roy demos?

"Gravity Is My Enemy", "1999", "Rhythm Of Youth", and "Treblinka"
to me don't sound like "working versions" but rather complete and
finished versions.  I think if the 4 tracks which were released as
the "Folk Of The 80s" EP had been put on Side One and the four
aforementioned "RoY Demo" tracks been placed on Side Two - the
eight of them together on one disc would have made one hell of
a mini-LP in 1980.

Furthermore, to me they don't sound like demos from the "Rhythm
of Youth" era.  They have a destinctive "Folk Of The 80's" EP
style and quality about them.  Does anybody have the approximagte
oops/ approximate recording month(s) and/or date(s) for them?
This makes me wonder why we're calling them the "RoY Demos" to
begin with.  Clearly the recording year given, 1980, supports
this view as well.

I think these four tracks are equal in every way to the four
tracks released as "Folk Of The 80's" in 1980.  Who kept them
from us for so long and why?  (Marc Durand because he was/is a
jerk?)

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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Private Concert
Date: 14 Jan 1998 05:06:19 PST


Hi all!

Due to Montreal's state of emergency, our plans to talk with Ivan's
manager about the private concert is postponed until everything gets
back to normal!  Francis has it in his agenda to do so at a point in the
future.  He has tried several times to reach the manager by phone and
was unable to do so because often, the man's voice mailbox is filled to
capacity!  However,Francis has known the guy for years; I
beleive he worked with him at one time, and has spoken to him on the
phone and met him for lunch once to discuss what we list members would
like to propose.  Both Ivan's manager and Ivan himself are aware of our
plans.  We simply have to schedule a meeting and ask them to sign a
contract to book the date and work out the arrangements for
compensation.  Everything is rolling right along - it's just that with
Montreal covered in ice, things work a lot more slowly than they used
to!!
But don't worry - this concert is one of my biggest dreams and I will
continue to do all I can to make it come true, and I can say that
Francis feels the same way.  The ball is still rolling....


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From: Ralph Deiterding <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Somebody
Date: 14 Jan 1998 09:35:37 +0000


Senz wrote:
>
> >> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
> >> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.
> >
> >Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
> >for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
> >anonymous on something like that.
> >
> >> Does it really matter who supplied them?
> >
> >Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
> >you get it???????
> >
I think the point of the matter is that releasing these demos in this
unofficial way is likely going against contracts in place and thus
illegal, as are all boots.

Now personally, I don't have a problem with that, but if it was me I
wouldn't want my name splattered all over the place.  Thus my take on
why the name of the individual who supplied the demos is a secret is
because the are very legit!!

Ralph


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD bootleg Numbers
Date: 14 Jan 1998 08:12:07 +0000


Can someone list what CD# is what CD? I have not been paying close
attention to what CD is what number so I am confused when somebody is
talking about CD #4, #5, #6, etc.

Thanks

-Richard Holdman


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From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tapes...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:41:34 -0600


Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?  If you don't want to be party to
whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the CD.  I worked at a couple of
recording studios, and if I had wanted, I could have stolen and sold stuff
from Queensryche, Rush, and Genesis.  Even had I just given then to someone
to make boots, I certainly would not want anyone to know who I was.  Don't
buy the CD.

Cordially,
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From: D Krupla <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD bootleg Numbers
Date: 14 Jan 1998 09:11:17 -0800 (PST)


---Richard Holdman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone list what CD# is what CD? I have not been paying close
> attention to what CD is what number so I am confused when somebody is
> talking about CD #4, #5, #6, etc.

CD1--1983(?) RoY concert
CD2--Freeways
CD3--1985(?) Freeways concert
CD4--another RoY concert (the one on lp)
CD5--Roy / Folk3 demos
CD6 and up--Top-Secret Projects That May Be Under Development At A
High-Security Government Lab Near You.

Dave K
(Did I get the first three in the right order?
==
"With the rhythm of youth you have nothing to lose.

Cause the rhythm of youth is the rhythm of life
The rhythm of life is the rhythm of youth."

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From:
Subject: (hats) Japanese CDs for artists like Living In A Box
Date: 14 Jan 1998 12:16:41 -0500


I was hoping to reach out on a limb and find someone on the list who
might be able to help.

I'm looking to obtain some music from Japan and the CDs are now out of
print, but I thought someone who might catch this message out there
might be able to help.

I'm looking for the Japanese CD release of:

Gatecrashing by Living In A Box (catalogue #CP32-5830)

and the 3"CD single for:

This I Swear by Richard Darbyshire (catalogue #TODP-2437)

These are just two items I'm looking for because (as always) the
Japanese release contains extra material.  If anyone out there can help
or help put me in touch with someone or store e-mail addresses, please
give me a hand.

Thanks so much
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Tapes...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 12:20:13 +0000


Steve Reid wrote:
>
> Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?

Me (Claude Gregoire). Is it okay with you?

> If you don't want to be party to
> whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the CD.

I was not looking for advice, just seeking information before doing
something that could be wrong. Do you have a problem with that?

> I worked at a couple of
> recording studios, and if I had wanted, I could have stolen and sold stuff
> from Queensryche, Rush, and Genesis.  Even had I just given then to someone
> to make boots, I certainly would not want anyone to know who I was.

Hey! Exactly my point Steve. Crooks wants to stay anonymous...

> Don't buy the CD.

Why? It's not worth it?

Take care

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From: Nicolas Roux <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What? Quoi?
Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:30:53 +0000


Hello guys! Just a quick one...

I remember that some of you couldn't understand emails that were written
in French.

Good news, try this:

http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?

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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 11:22:36 -0800


can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
annoying.  here is an old message that never got to ya'll
Amen!  I would just like to say that both of the new CDs I've gotten this
> past month (ROY/FOE3 & Demos) rule!  I listen to them constantly.  I just
> have a quick question...does anyone know if Ivan is going to release a new
> album in the next few weeks?  I have been hearing rumors and am starting
to
> get curious.  Also, I have a choice to buy either "The Spell" or "Pop Goes
> the World" - neither of which I have.  Which should I get?  Thanx all,
> special thanx to you know who, and I'll catch ya all latez.


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:52:02 +0000


Hey Kajjia!

Kajjia Goria wrote:
>
> can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
> annoying.

What is the meaning of amnt? Maybe it is my bad english, but it seems
you always use plenty of words I don't understand (and are not in my
english dictionary!). How come?

Take care

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From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 13:59:53 -0600



In my opinion, the Spell is weak compared to PGTW.  I'm sure there are other
opinions, though, Aaron.

Cordially,
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From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tapes...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:30:20 -0600


Claude, I not saying you're wrong about how you feel about the tapes.  I'm
saying it doesn't matter.  The CD's are out.  You can probably make a really
safe assumption that there are those who would prosecute the person who
released them to us.  At this point, you can either own a really kool part
of Mw/oH history, or you can continue with the Sherlock Holmes bit.  If you
do find out who it is, that will not change the validity of the source.
Cordially,
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:29:48 -0700 (MST)


> can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
> annoying.

It's a lot less hassle for you to properly trim down quoted text from the
message you're repsonding to than it is for xmission to archive it and ship
around copies of it to hundreds of subscribers or for those hundreds of
subscribers to wade through it in your message.

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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Quiz
Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:30:58 -0800


Well, folks, its that time again.  I redid the quiz on my web page.  THis
time, It's a name that tune game.  D\L the wavs, guess the songs, submit to
me, and win.   catch ya all latez, and enjoy!

Aaron Gitlin
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From: "Woodrow W. Zenfell, III" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) RoY Demos
Date: 14 Jan 1998 16:45:58 -0600 (CST)


<< monster post warning >>

> From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
>
> "Gravity Is My Enemy", "1999", "Rhythm Of Youth", and "Treblinka"
> to me don't sound like "working versions" but rather complete and
> finished versions.

I'm no expert whatsoever on the music business, but it seems to me that it
would make sense for a demo to be a complete, finished version of a song
which is then submitted to someone for consideration.  Then, if they like
it, it gets touched up, changed, and rerecorded, under the producer's
supervision.  Thus I think it makes sense for these songs to be in the
state they're in: finished, but a little rough around the edges.

> Furthermore, to me they don't sound like demos from the "Rhythm
> of Youth" era.  They have a destinctive "Folk Of The 80's" EP
> style and quality about them.

It would seem to me that these tracks would have been recorded not long
after the Folk of the 80's EP, so again it would make sense that they
would sound similar.  Also I would speculate so far as to suggest that the
Folk of the 80's, being a small, low-budget release, didn't have much
"production" associated with it - so it would be pretty "pure" MwoH.  Same
goes with the demos.

I would think that the "RoY era" sound is this early MwoH pure sound, with
some production and a somewhat larger budget to throw around.  So I think
that's where the differences in "sound" between RoY and the "RoY demos"
comes from.

It's interesting, though, that only two of the "demo'd" tracks made it
onto the album, and one of them in such a radically different form.


Anyway, more generally, I have to say I've really enjoyed this newest
(old) CD.  The 4 new songs are all great (though I could do without the
violinist with the horrible intonation).  There is something about them
though that is very much like the FotE's tracks - Gravity is my Enemy with
Security seems to be the strongest correspondence in my mind.  So far 1999
and RoY have infected me a little more than Treblinka and Gravity...

This is something I wrote about when we got the Freeways EP CD#1 (or 3, or
2, or whatever number you want to call it), but again I find myself most
interested in how "pure", "simple", or "honest" the early stuff is... and
the earlier it is, the more "pure" it is.  And Ivan sounds so YOUNG!  :)

It's certainly interesting to hear the earlier versions of Living in
China and the FotE3 tracks, and what got changed/added/deleted.  I also
was amused by the dedication at the beginning of Unsatisfaction, and the
ironic implications therefrom about Ivan's current (ongoing) career.

I wouldn't trade the versions on this CD for the "real" released versions,
but it's fascinating and enjoyable to be able to hear both.  What's up
with the strange "offset beat" in the rehearsal No Dancing?  It sounds
really "wrong" to me but I haven't yet decided whether that's because it's
really strange or because I'm just so used to the released version.  I
also really enjoyed the rehearsal Where Do the Boys Go?.. it seemed to
have this raw energy and silliness that the released version has less of.
In particular it just sounds like they were having a good, goofy time
recording it.  Lots of fun to listen to.

As for other recent postings -

I would recommend Pop Goes the World muchso over The Spell.  Not that The
Spell is bad, but PGTW is really a must-have, and I'm surprised you've
survived this long without it :)

I recall also Ivan saying something about releasing some more stuff under
the Men Without Hats name.  This may be exciting, but remember that the
"old style" early MwoH we've been hearing lately in rereleases, demos,
etc. is a thing of the past - a phase of Ivan's musical evolution that
he's left behind.  Recall that the most recent thing we heard on the MwoH
name was Sideways, which was quite a disappointment to many (myself
included).  Shrug, like many of you, I'd love to hear new material in the
"old style", but I wouldn't count on it.. regardless of the name printed
on the upcoming label.

Well, there's my monster post for this quarter.. thanks for reading,
everyone :)

Woody (that guy whose college a capella group, The Amateurs, has performed
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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:55:45 EST


In a message dated 98-01-13 22:37:09 EST, you write:

> Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
>  Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and
record
>  this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
>  done? :)

Yeah. Too many people say "time moves on. gotta keep up". Why drop a perfectly
good thing when you have it? What did Nirvana, Wu-tang or 311 ever do that
sounded remotely unique? Hats has variety and even a message in most songs
that people can actually relate to (Especially "The Great Ones" and
"Freeways"!)!

Also, what DID happen to the group? Is Collin still in that opera company in
NY?
I know Ivan is solo but didn't he have Stefan in "Sideways"? Hmm... It'd be
great if Hats could release their old albums. Even if they did it with live
performances ;)

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Tapes...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 18:27:25 EST


In a message dated 98-01-14 12:22:32 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Steve Reid wrote:
>  >
>  > Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?
>
>  Me (Claude Gregoire). Is it okay with you?

Guys! Please! It may be important to some people that they know who the person
is who supplied us ever so graciously with those tapes. Anybody who is curious
should just ask the guy who distributed them. If he still says he can't
release the name, badgering him won't make things better.

>  > If you don't want to be party to whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the
CD.

Right. That's just all you can do sometimes.

>
>  Hey! Exactly my point Steve. Crooks wants to stay anonymous...
>

He helped our cause, though. Is he that bad that we would dismiss his act of
kindness over something trivial like his (her?) name?

Besides, we're Hats fans! Who would want to mess with our little list, anyway?

"Communication is hard to maintain when the clothes that you're wearing are
hurting my eyes..."
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stefan in "Sideways"
Date: 14 Jan 1998 19:16:05 -0500 (EST)


Nick,

Not only did Ivan have Stefan in "Sideways", Stefan *produced* "Sideways"!

This Roman Meal Bakery thought you'd like to know.

:-)

Myke


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Private Concert
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:04:30 EST


there's not enough room on this email space to contain the huge smile
spreading across my face, angie:)

ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:07:20 EST


In a message dated 98-01-14 14:26:00 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Also, I have a choice to buy either "The Spell" or "Pop Goes
>  > the World" - neither of which I have.  Which should I get?  Thanx all,
>  > special thanx to you know who, and I'll catch ya all latez.
>
p.s.:   there IS no choice here:)


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Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:06:55 EST


In a message dated 98-01-14 14:26:00 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Also, I have a choice to buy either "The Spell" or "Pop Goes
>  > the World" - neither of which I have.  Which should I get?  Thanx all,
>  > special thanx to you know who, and I'll catch ya all latez.
>
does the word 'DUH' mean anything to you?
get BOTH, for gawd's sake!!?!?!

-C-


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:13:08 +0000


HarpiChick wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-14 14:26:00 EST, [e-mail] writes:
>
> > Also, I have a choice to buy either "The Spell" or "Pop Goes
> >  > the World" - neither of which I have.  Which should I get?  Thanx all,
> >  > special thanx to you know who, and I'll catch ya all latez.
> >
> p.s.:   there IS no choice here:)

Okay, here's my two cents: buy both...

Claude


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:09:31 EST


In a message dated 98-01-14 18:34:39 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I know Ivan is solo but didn't he have Stefan in "Sideways"? Hmm... It'd be
>  great if Hats could release their old albums. Even if they did it with live
>  performances ;)
>
>
> Nick
>
yes:)
stefan *;)* is in sideways with guitar and *i think* production duties...will
have to check the liner notes, though:)

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ththththat'a All Folks
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:36:04 -0800


Well, it has been a lot of fun for me to give back to this group that I have
got so much from over the years. I have really enjoyed being able to share
the demos with you all. I know the excitement that can come from getting
that package, throwing the CD on and just loving hearing stuff that you've
waited to hear forever from Men Without Hats (at maximum volume).

However, I am not going to make any more fo a while. I'm going to start
giving my evenings and weekends back to my wife and cat :) ...they've missed
me while I've been making these CDs.

If you have not got a confirmation email from me then, unfortunately, you
will have to wait for the next opportunity.

This doesn't mean that I won't help folks out in the future...we'll just
have to wait and see. And I am planning on helping Tom out with 4, 6 & 7
when they're available.

I just also wanted to say, with this thread about 'Mr. Somebody' and all,
that the CDs that I made available are non-profit, made by fans for fans
CDs. I am not in the bootleg business. I just wanted to help fellow fans
out. I'm sure you all know that.

Anyway, thanks again to Tom for getting these to us all and
remember..."Jonly in America"

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) more CDs
Date: 15 Jan 1998 06:42:28 -0500


> > However, I am not going to make any more fo a while. I'm going to start
> > giving my evenings and weekends back to my wife and cat :) ...they've
> missed
> > me while I've been making these CDs.
> >
> > If you have not got a confirmation email from me then, unfortunately,
you
> > will have to wait for the next opportunity.
> >
> > This doesn't mean that I won't help folks out in the future...we'll
just
> > have to wait and see. And I am planning on helping Tom out with 4, 6 &
7
> > when they're available.


OK..  Russ.  I am going to have some more time this weekend to pick up
 where you left off.
 Everyone....  I will let you all know when I have some more CDs ready next
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Quiz
Date: 15 Jan 1998 08:24:48 -0500


Aaron,

Quite a cool quiz. Very fun.

Thanks a lot!

Dave Mattingly
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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) mp3 archive and burning cds
Date: 15 Jan 1998 08:37:50 +0000


The mp3 archive curretnly has cds 1,2,3, and 5
Can anybody out there convert CD4 to mp3s and send them my way? If so
send me a email message and I will give you a username and password
to upload them to the archive.

Also if anybody needs help burning cds I can help out. I have two 4x
CD-rom burners so I can make about 2 discs in 17 mins.

Currently I dont have any of the CDs though since I have most of them
in mp3 format. But when the time comes that more cds are released I
can help out. I would also enjoy making the artwork for the cds
themselves (I am a graphic designer and work at a print shop).

-Richard Holdman

p.s. I would like to thank Mr. "Somebody" for the Demos. Its a
miracle these things are still around.


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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) cd-r's?
Date: 15 Jan 1998 03:19:35 -0700


I fear that I am missing out again, especially with Russ's recent post, so...

How does one go about getting copies of whatever fan-produced MWH CDRs are
being made right now?  I seem to have missed out on at least 3 rounds of
these now and I'm beginning to despair :(

Thanks for your attention.

--
Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gtsamson[at]bigfoot.com)
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From: Donald Stroud <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Did I miss CD #4?
Date: 15 Jan 1998 08:09:20 -0800 (PST)


I thought I was waiting for confirmation of availability for CD #4,
but some of the messages that have been coming through recently make
it seem like people already have this disc.

Did I miss something? Someone, please help me! I have a burning desire
to know about this!

Thanks in advance!

=============================================================================
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #22
Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:51:59 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
Hi MWH fans!
    I would like to know how do I get the demos that everybody's talking
in the list.

                        Um abraco para todos!


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #22
Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:48:37 +0000


You can get them at the MWH archive at www.holdman.com/mwh

>
>     Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
> Hi MWH fans!
>     I would like to know how do I get the demos that everybody's talking
> in the list.
>
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From: "Avi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Message Bounce: Re: (hats) QUESTION
Date: 15 Jan 1998 17:56:56 -0500





 yes,

 erasure webcasted a concert from there not too long ago.  they have a very
 extensive web site.

 Check it out !!!

 Avi


>> >HAS ANYONE HEARD OF A VENUE CALLED "IRVING PLAZA" IN NEW YORK?
>> >tHANKS FOR THE HELP
>> >
>> >RAY
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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bootlegs
Date: 16 Jan 1998 08:41:53 PST


I would like to add my two cents to this bootleg demo argument.

Claude has a valid point that should not be, but is easily, ignored by
those of us who love Men Without Hats.

My whole intent for putting on this private concert is to partially
reimburse Ivan and the band for the money that was robbed from them by
Marc Durand following the sales of their most successful
album.

I strongly believe that the creator of a work should retain the rights
to sales and royalties from that work, unless he/she knowingly and
purposefully signs those rights over to a third party.

By obtaining and distributing these bootleg demo tapes among ourselves,
without the express consent of the creator of the work,
we are inadvertently, but most certainly, doing Ivan an injustice.
The anonymous donor of the demos probably obtained them through
fraudulent means, and by copying and distributing the works,
we are doing what amounts to stealing Ivan's work behind his back. By
not bothering to ask his permission to copy and distribute it,
and taking it in our own hands to do so, we are probably in violation of
several intellectual property laws and could actually be targeted
for a lawsuit by the legal owners of these demos.

Let's hope whoever legally owns these demos doesn't do such a thing to
those who are working so hard to keep the work of Men Without Hats
alive.  I understand that the intent of those who are
doing this is pure, and they are only trying to do the best they can
for the fans.  But please keep in mind that there are losers in this
activity, and we are only hurting the ones we love the most.

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) bootlegs
Date: 16 Jan 1998 12:55:38 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 11:44:21 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> My whole intent for putting on this private concert is to partially
>  reimburse Ivan and the band for the money that was robbed from them by
>  Marc Durand following the sales of their most successful
>  album.
uh...okie...this concert was conceived well before i popped onto this list,
and *just to make sure I haven't the worng end of the stick* here's the
$50,000 question:

is this supposed to be an 'Ivan' concert...

or a 'MWH' concert???

*???*

Charlotte


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...
Date: 16 Jan 1998 13:01:24 EST


In a message dated 98-01-14 18:34:39 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Also, what DID happen to the group? Is Collin still in that opera company in
>  NY?


*???*


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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) bootlegs
Date: 16 Jan 1998 12:51:14 PST


>
>is this supposed to be an 'Ivan' concert...
>
>or a 'MWH' concert???
>
>*???*
>
>Charlotte
>
It is supposed to be a MWH concert, but we are not sure which
musicians Ivan may ask to back him up.  The list members strongly agree
that they would like to hear the old MWH material played at this show.

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) just another project...
Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:35:50 +0000


Hi all...

After seeing this been done successfully by other list group I'm ready
to try the experience with you. I will put out a Tribute to Men Without
Hats CD. All the tracks will be performed by list members (a lot of us
do play music) and will be Men Without Hats songs. If Ugo Bugg wants to
submit one song backed by the Doroschuck bros, that's fine with me ;o)

I will take care of legal aspects and will pay a license for all the
songs used. The CD will be sold via Internet with a special price for
list members. Several promo copies will be send to Ivan and family.

I won't bother list members with tons of details, so if you are
interested in participating in this project (if you want to submit a
song) contact me personaly. Several persons allready manifest their
interest in that project. If you are not sure what I'm talking about, go
take a look at what the Gentle Giant mailing list did:
http://www.quackwatch.com/GT/
This thing was so popular it became a DOUBLE CD. It is even distributed
in music stores!
Why not MWH???

I will also accept submissions for cover art...

Take care

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:53:31 +0000


Now if I could just learn to type the address in correctly the FIRST
time - you'd have seen this already!!  ;-)

Hi Hatters!

Angie said . . .
> The anonymous donor of the demos probably obtained them through
> fraudulent means

Let me say to everyone that this is not the case in the least!!

LOOONG soapbox monologue follows -

After the chat with Ivan, when Ivan thought "Somebody" was Marc
Durand, I emailed to Ivan.  I explained the situation, told him the
identity of "Somebody," and asked him for his permission to release
the demos to the list.

If you were at the chat, or read the transcript, you may have seen
me ask Ivan if he got the gifts that Tom and I sent to him.  He said
yes, so we know that even if email doesn't always get through to
Ivan, we have a working snail address.

Knowing this, as a followup to my email to Ivan, Tom sent Ivan a
copy of the fan produced disc (FPD) that we proposed, the one you
now know as CD#5, as a way of showing him that we are only making
the CD to share his music among ourselves and that we are acting in
good faith. This was sent looooong before Xmas, and therefore long
before the ice storm and delayed mail.  Thus, we feel confident that
Ivan has received the disc and approves of our endeavors just as he
has tacitly approved of the previous FPDs (like the ones he
autographed for me in July, and proudly showed to his parents!!!).

If Ivan didn't want Tom and the other volunteers to continue
producing the CD, he has had over a month to tell us not to.  For the
record, Colin not only has my email and snail addresses, he also has
my phone numbers including my cell phone number.  My *mother* doesn't
even have my cell phone number!

This probably totally sounds like a Kohlberg level 6 rationalization
(dig out your intro psych text and look up "stages of moral
development"), and maybe so.  But  I am *sick* of reading "fraud"
over and over again, so maybe this will get a few knickers out of
knots.  If Tom and I seem to be protecting "Mr. Somebody," it is not
from the long arm of the law, it is from us (note I include myself
in this!) zealous die-hard fans.  "Somebody" wishes to remain
anonymous not because he is afraid of being arrested or sued, but
because he is a shy and retiring person who doesn't need to be
either adulated or *pestered*.

So please, Please, PLEASE *PUH-LEEEEZE* give this a rest!  Let's
instead talk about how wonderful the demos are and look forward to
seeing each other next summer.

Stepping off from my soapbox now, and trying not to trip over my
shoelaces . . .

Hatlessly (which is a bad idea in *this* weather),
Laura in NC  :-)


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:25:23 +0000


Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote:
>
> LOOONG soapbox monologue partly deleted -
>
> If Ivan didn't want Tom and the other volunteers to continue
> producing the CD, he has had over a month to tell us not to.  For the
> record, Colin not only has my email and snail addresses, he also has
> my phone numbers including my cell phone number.  My *mother* doesn't
> even have my cell phone number!

This is not the way this is suppose to work! Silence doesn't mean
approbation. JUST AS AN EXEMPLE they may be annoyed by that thing, but
having to deal with it more annoying...

> This probably totally sounds like a Kohlberg level 6 rationalization
> (dig out your intro psych text and look up "stages of moral
> development"), and maybe so.  But  I am *sick* of reading "fraud"
> over and over again, so maybe this will get a few knickers out of
> knots.  If Tom and I seem to be protecting "Mr. Somebody," it is not
> from the long arm of the law, it is from us (note I include myself
> in this!) zealous die-hard fans.  "Somebody" wishes to remain
> anonymous not because he is afraid of being arrested or sued, but
> because he is a shy and retiring person who doesn't need to be
> either adulated or *pestered*.

The funny thing is that the two most zealous die-hard fans (Tom and
Laura) know the name of Mr. Somebody!!!!! For those of you who know me,
you have to admit I would be the last one to adulate or *pester*
someone!!!!! It looks like some of us think that they are above other
(THEY can know because THEY can behave, not like those other pestering
regular list members). Another thing is, Ivan is not the only one
concerned here. Jeremie Arrobas do play on some of those songs. He even
composed part of them, Treblinka is 100% Arrobas! Was he informed?

> So please, Please, PLEASE *PUH-LEEEEZE* give this a rest!  Let's
> instead talk about how wonderful the demos are and look forward to
> seeing each other next summer.

Dear Laura, I was giving it a rest. But your message deserved an answer.
One last thing. I find it funny that most of the people on the list
annoyed by that "fraud" thread asked some kind of anonymous group to
stop it, while I was the only one talking about it (apart from late and
courageous input from Angie). Have I miss something?

This being said, I still love MWH and their music and will always be
very happy to ear new and old stuff from them, but not at any price. I
respect peoples opinion and won't interfere with the way they live, so
please don't try to interfere with the way I live, and don't remove my
right to ask simple questions...

Take care

Claude


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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:33:35 EST


speaking of mysteries...

the other day on NPR, I heard this song on world cafe, and the chorus went
something like ".....blah, blah blah...the hole in the moon....", it was a
long song and it sounded like the group James, though I am not sure.  Can
anybody help me with this, I really dug the song, but "hole in the moon" may
not be the title.  Thanks.

Also, the girl in the band photo of the inside cover of PGTW does not appear
to be the same girl as in the video (PGTW, Moonbeam).  Who are these people
and were they real band members or just actresses/models.  I know that it is
supposed to be Jenny, but does anyone have any further information?

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:43:52 -0500


>the same girl in the video (PGTW, Moonbeam).
>real band members or just actresses/models.

The girl in the video was an actress that couldn't quite get her
choreography right. You can see Ivan directing her where to go next in a
few parts of the video. :)

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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:41:25 EST


How come when something outstanding happens on this list, people start
bitching about it:

for example:
(1) the most popular song list, where people complained that the safety dance
shouldnt be number 1, etc. (somebody put alot of effort into that)
(2)cd #5, who is Mr. Somebody?
(3)the private concert, what songs will Ivan play, can we make him play our
setlist?

now lots of things have happened that are good (t-shirts, 3cd set, etc.) and
no one has bitched, but man, we have some tedious debates over the above
issues...

voice your opinions, you should be heard, but remember, there are alot of
people who sacrifice time to do these things (I am not one of them, and I
appreciate all of their efforts)

and now, I depart happy, listening to CD#5 (Mothers opinion kicks ass!)


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) my 2 cents
Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:19:49 -0500


>
> > Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote:
> > >
> > > LOOONG soapbox monologue partly deleted -
> > >
> > > If Ivan didn't want Tom and the other volunteers to continue
> > > producing the CD, he has had over a month to tell us not to.  For the
> > > record, Colin not only has my email and snail addresses, he also has
> > > my phone numbers including my cell phone number.  My *mother* doesn't
> > > even have my cell phone number!
> >
> > This is not the way this is suppose to work! Silence doesn't mean
> > approbation. JUST AS AN EXEMPLE they may be annoyed by that thing, but
> > having to deal with it more annoying...
> >
> > > This probably totally sounds like a Kohlberg level 6 rationalization
> > > (dig out your intro psych text and look up "stages of moral
> > > development"), and maybe so.  But  I am *sick* of reading "fraud"
> > > over and over again, so maybe this will get a few knickers out of
> > > knots.  If Tom and I seem to be protecting "Mr. Somebody," it is not
> > > from the long arm of the law, it is from us (note I include myself
> > > in this!) zealous die-hard fans.  "Somebody" wishes to remain
> > > anonymous not because he is afraid of being arrested or sued, but
> > > because he is a shy and retiring person who doesn't need to be
> > > either adulated or *pestered*.
> >
> > The funny thing is that the two most zealous die-hard fans (Tom and
> > Laura) know the name of Mr. Somebody!!!!! For those of you who know me,
> > you have to admit I would be the last one to adulate or *pester*
> > someone!!!!! It looks like some of us think that they are above other
> > (THEY can know because THEY can behave, not like those other pestering
> > regular list members). Another thing is, Ivan is not the only one
> > concerned here. Jeremie Arrobas do play on some of those songs. He even
> > composed part of them, Treblinka is 100% Arrobas! Was he informed?
> >
> > > So please, Please, PLEASE *PUH-LEEEEZE* give this a rest!  Let's
> > > instead talk about how wonderful the demos are and look forward to
> > > seeing each other next summer.
> >
> > Dear Laura, I was giving it a rest. But your message deserved an
answer.
> > One last thing. I find it funny that most of the people on the list
> > annoyed by that "fraud" thread asked some kind of anonymous group to
> > stop it, while I was the only one talking about it (apart from late and
> > courageous input from Angie). Have I miss something?
> >
> > This being said, I still love MWH and their music and will always be
> > very happy to ear new and old stuff from them, but not at any price. I
> > respect peoples opinion and won't interfere with the way they live, so
> > please don't try to interfere with the way I live, and don't remove my
> > right to ask simple questions...
> >
> > Take care
> >
> > Claude
>
>
> I guess I should say something here.  First of all,  I think Angie is
> right, Claude is right AND Laura is right to.
> It is difficult to decide what the right thing to do is in a situation
like
> this.   There is ONE thing that tips the scales in my opinion.   This may
> have been the last cassette of the demos.  Do you think that it is
Jerrome
> Arrobas, Ivan's or Colin's wish to lose this recording forever?
Remember
> there were no master tapes for this.  It was mastered directly to
cassette,
> sounds good on the first play then deteriorates from there.
> Putting what Angie Claude and Laura just said, I feel that I am helping
Mr.
> Somebody preserve the recording.  Making backup copies for the list will
do
> this.
>
> The alternative is that the recordings are lost forever, period.  Then we
> can't have this discussion at all.
>
>
> Did Mr. Somebody do the right thing?  I have to say yes.
>
> Who is correct here, Claude, Angie, Laura, ..... we just don't know yet.

Tom
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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) royalties from demos?  Mr. Somebody?
Date: 16 Jan 1998 15:51:12 -0800


Didn't (or wouldn't?) Ivan originally send his demos to Statik in the
UK?  And if they're only demos, and not the "finished work," Marc might
own the rights to the songs in a finished form but not the *original*
attempts.

And as Statik went belly-up and all belongings were turned over to the..
government?  Monarchy?  Then whoever has the demos probably never
"owned" them but just has an original or copy..

My guess would be Laurie Dunn w/Statik.  She signed the band after
receiving the demos, right??  And any demos from a 2nd album would have
been routed through her at Statik.. and she's not on the same side of
the ocean as Marc (re: IRC).

Jim
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) just another project...
Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:58:11 -0500


Great idea Claude!  In fact, the Thomspon Twins fan club releases tapes like
this all the time.  I have one copy :)

>I will also accept submissions for cover art...

Count me in for cover art submission!  What will the title be?

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) bootlegs
Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:22:57 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 11:44:21 EST, you write:

> My whole intent for putting on this private concert is to partially
>  reimburse Ivan and the band for the money that was robbed from them by
>  Marc Durand following the sales of their most successful
>  album.

Three messages:
One, I'm not totally clear on this Marc thing. I think I know what you mean
from the letter itself, but not since my first mention have I heard anything
about this guy.
What happened between him and Ivan?

Second, Angie, you're right. But how could we obtain copies of Ivan's works
otherwise? I know I haven't looked into all (if any) possibilities, but if
there was a way fair to us fans _and_ Ivan, please, anyone, let us know.

Third, I'm sorry Ivan and Hats. If I had known that what I purchased wasn't
the only way to find your music, I most surely would have done it.

--Nick


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) just another project...
Date: 16 Jan 1998 23:15:59 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 16:39:05 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I will also accept submissions for cover art...
>
>  Take care
>
>  Claude
>
cover art, eh?...:)
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) bootlegs
Date: 16 Jan 1998 23:13:05 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 15:53:57 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> It is supposed to be a MWH concert, but we are not sure which
>  musicians Ivan may ask to back him up.  The list members strongly agree
>  that they would like to hear the old MWH material played at this show.
>
>  Angie
>
and hopefully some old MWH players???

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From: X <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) royalties from demos?  Mr. Somebody?
Date: 17 Jan 1998 01:35:31 -0500 (EST)


James wrote,
>My guess would be Laurie Dunn w/Statik.  She signed the band after
>receiving the demos, right??  And any demos from a 2nd album would have
>been routed through her at Statik.. and she's not on the same side of
>the ocean as Marc (re: IRC).
>
>Jim

MR S (#999) writes,

what does it matter ???? whats the big deal here...Ivan still collects
publishing royalties from his recordings...he still makes performance
royalties when he plays.... give up the crap regarding Mr.Somebody....
What had happened to this list ?????

oh yeah..one thing... THANK YOU TOM AND LAURA....YOU GUYS ARE GREAT

WHEN I HAVE THE POP GOES THE WORLD DEMO"S IN MY HAND..ILL REMEMBER TO SHARE
THEM WITH MYSELF  ( TOM too!!! )

signed,
one of MANY  MR.Somebodies
(big grin)
:)



Wolfgang




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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Generations And Stuff
Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:30:56 -0500 (EST)


Tom, Laura, Mr. Somebody,...

Exactly what was used as the source for the demos from which CD #4 was
made?  Like, were they made directly from the mother master cassettes?
Or from very good copies of the original masters or what?  In other
words, how many generations old was the source?  Just curious.
I've noticed that the 1980 demos have greater treble content and are
slightly "thinner" sounding than the "Folk of the 80s" EP on CD #1.
I've also noticed that the 1984 rehearsals have less treble content
and are slightly "duller" sounding than, say, the "Freeways" remixes
also on CD #1.  I'm not complaining, just commenting.  Being a
producer/artist type in my own right, I notice these things and wonder
why they are this way.

Also, Tom, what was the source for the 1985 "Le Spectrum" concert video?
Did I not read from you early on that it was from a laserdisc?
I can't imagine that it would be because, with the frame counter in
the bottom right corner of the display, it would have never gone to
market that way.  I'm probably just imagining that I read a post of
yours that said so, but until I hear it from you one way or the other,
I'll have to believe that I did.

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Generations And Stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 09:21:55 -0500


> Tom, Laura, Mr. Somebody,...
>
> Exactly what was used as the source for the demos from which CD #4 was
> made?  Like, were they made directly from the mother master cassettes?
> Or from very good copies of the original masters or what?  In other
> words, how many generations old was the source?  Just curious.
> I've noticed that the 1980 demos have greater treble content and are
> slightly "thinner" sounding than the "Folk of the 80s" EP on CD #1.
> I've also noticed that the 1984 rehearsals have less treble content
> and are slightly "duller" sounding than, say, the "Freeways" remixes
> also on CD #1.  I'm not complaining, just commenting.  Being a
> producer/artist type in my own right, I notice these things and wonder
> why they are this way.
>
> Also, Tom, what was the source for the 1985 "Le Spectrum" concert video?
> Did I not read from you early on that it was from a laserdisc?
> I can't imagine that it would be because, with the frame counter in
> the bottom right corner of the display, it would have never gone to
> market that way.

I don't know where the 1985 video concert came from.   I am pretty sure
that it is second generation.  -- definately not from laserdisc, I promise.
  -- From another Mr. Somebody.


The demos are first generation, different types of cassettes, differently
aged, so they sound different.
It is nice that you are so concerned with sound quality like me :-)
In fact,  I noticed that ROY is kinda bass-shy, other songs sound ok,
though.
What do you think Myke?

Tom
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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 17 Jan 1998 15:35:00 +0000


The song I think you`re referring to is The Whole Of The Moon by The
Waterboys, the only song which was quite a big hit (twice) for them in
the UK.

The guy who fronts World Party (can`t remember his name because I don`t
particulary like any of their stuff) was in The Waterboys at the time
this song was recorded.  I think he even co-wrote it with the frontman of
the Waterboys whose name, I think, is Mike Scott.

The style of this song is definately rockish but with a touch of Irish in
it.  One of those songs that lives on long after everyone has forgotten
about the band.
Sound familiar?

Si Wooldridge

Senior Systems Equipment Engineer
Lucent Technologies

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<snip>
the other day on NPR, I heard this song on world cafe, and the chorus
went something like ".....blah, blah blah...the hole in the moon....", it
was a long song and it sounded like the group James, though I am not
sure.  Can anybody help me with this, I really dug the song, but "hole in
the moon" may not be the title.  Thanks.
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) designing the cover
Date: 17 Jan 1998 15:19:08 -0500


I am very excited about trying my hand at designing the possible cover for
the fans' covers-CD.  There are some things I'd like to ask first:

1.  What will be the name of it?

2.  What colour scheme is desired?

3.  Can we use the logo and "Men Without Hats" layout (I mean the way the
name was designed)?  If not, could we use the logo from the stickers Francis
made?

4.  Which photos can we use?

5. Do I also design the pages in the bookleta nd if so, how many pages?
What goes in them?

6.  Which format?  I work in PhotoShop and also have access to Fractal
Design Painter.  high quality JPG?  TIFF? E-mail or print submission?
300dpi or higher or lower?


I may be a little ahead of myself here but I am so excited!  Questions 3 and
4 are really important.  Since this CD will be sold in stores, copyright
laws MUST be obeyed no matter what.  Designing a fan-produced bootleg is one
thing, but when you sell them in stores to the public, someone who owns the
copyrights you are using have every right to their use.


Hm...I guess we need the tracklisting first :)

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) designing the cover
Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:30:36 -0500


Danielle asks:
>1.  What will be the name of it?

How about:

Ivan Ho!
Men Without Covers
Hat Check
Hat Trick
Old Hat
High Hat


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:45:27 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 17:47:55 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> >the same girl in the video (PGTW, Moonbeam).
>  >real band members or just actresses/models.
>
>  The girl in the video was an actress that couldn't quite get her
>  choreography right. You can see Ivan directing her where to go next in a
>  few parts of the video. :)
>
>  Dave Mattingly
>
>
>
>
>
just saw it for the first time last night! *thanks, tom!!?!*
my sides still ache from laughing so hard.....although methinx i was laughing
more at stefan's *:)* get-up.....roflmfao!!!

ttyl,
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations And Stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:55:56 EST


In a message dated 98-01-17 07:20:06 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Also, Tom, what was the source for the 1985 "Le Spectrum" concert video?
>  Did I not read from you early on that it was from a laserdisc?
>  I can't imagine that it would be because, with the frame counter in
>  the bottom right corner of the display, it would have never gone to
>  market that way.  I'm probably just imagining that I read a post of
>  yours that said so, but until I hear it from you one way or the other,
>  I'll have to believe that I did.
>
>  Myke
>
my guess would be that it was a working copy...*???*
i would agree with myke that it wouldnt've gone out to public in that
format...
but anyways....
as for that OR the demos OR the bootlegs....this really *IS* being made too
much out of...i really DO think that Ivan would've stopped this if he chose to
do so...if he hasn't any problems with *and i quote him...somewhat* 'digital
pirates', then i honestly do not think he would have a problem with this, as
these cd's are only being printed and shipped at cost, nobody is making any
$$$ on these items what-so-ever, and it is a great way to preserve all the
material for the future:)  and it honestly shows that there are people who
care a great deal for the band and the music and want to do everything in
their power to preserve as much of it as possible....

My $0.02 worth, with some change,
Charlotte


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Subject: Re: (hats) designing the cover
Date: 17 Jan 1998 17:01:36 EST


In a message dated 98-01-17 16:35:45 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Danielle asks:
>  >1.  What will be the name of it?
>
>  How about:
>
>  Ivan Ho!
>  Men Without Covers
>  Hat Check
>  Hat Trick
>  Old Hat
>  High Hat
>
>
>  Dave Mattingly
>
D'OH!!?!


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 12:49:15 -0500 (EST)



Tom, when you say "1st generation" are you meaning to say that these
CDs are made from the actual masters or from 1st gen copies of those
masters?  I never have really understood which gen is the real 1st gen.

It would make sense that the video concert was not from laserdisc
'cuz who would have made it and how?

Myie
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 17:39:21 +0000


LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:
>
> Tom, when you say "1st generation" are you meaning to say that these
> CDs are made from the actual masters or from 1st gen copies of those
> masters?  I never have really understood which gen is the real 1st gen.

Usually, 1st generation is a direct copy of the master. A generation is
something "generated" by something else. In french, the master (in sound
or in movie) is often refered to as the "copie zero". So master is
before one.

Take care

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Subject: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 18:27:37 -0500


> Tom, when you say "1st generation" are you meaning to say that these
> CDs are made from the actual masters or from 1st gen copies of those
> masters?  I never have really understood which gen is the real 1st gen.
>
> It would make sense that the video concert was not from laserdisc
> 'cuz who would have made it and how?

OK.  here it is:

Each track is recorded individually, different channels for different
insruments, vocals etc, in the studio.

Then usually, It is MIXED onto a master studio tape , which becomes the 1st
gen master tape.

What I am telling you is that the ROY demos never had the MASTER TAPE.

They mixed the tracks DIRECTLY to the demo cassettes, just a few of them.

They did this so that the tape will sound as good as possible when the
record co.  play them.   The only downside, is that the recording won't
last too long.
Its a one time thing........  each ROY demo cassette is taking the place of
what should be vacuum sealed master tapes.

This is why we are VERY lucky, that we have what we have.  There may be
none left that sound as good as ours.

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) designing the cover
Date: 17 Jan 1998 20:32:53 -0500



>Ivan Ho!

Not Ivan "Ho".  too much reference to Superbadgirls.  ;) tee hee.  by the
way, they've been playing that song a lot on the radio (Toronto)!


>Hat Check

I like this one.  But needs some work.

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Subject: (hats) Naming the Tribute....
Date: 17 Jan 1998 21:33:05 EST


How about "Ideas From All..."

Brad Day
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Naming the Tribute....
Date: 18 Jan 1998 00:41:15 EST


okie, here's one....

how about "The Great Ones, Remembered" ?
*shrug*


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From: CDcollectr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hats tribute title
Date: 18 Jan 1998 00:46:24 EST


how does this one sound?

Hats Off - A Tribute To Men Without Hats

ray


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 03:00:58 -0500 (EST)


Tom,

OK, so in this case you're considering the actual multi-track master to
be the "copie zero" generation which was then mixed directly to standard
audiocassettes (1st gen) and CD #5 was made from one of those actual
original "mixdown masters"???  If so, incredible!

Am I also correct to assume that both the 1980 demos and the 1984
rehearsals have this same story to tell?

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hats tribute title
Date: 18 Jan 1998 03:04:17 -0500 (EST)


Hats Off...

Actually I like that better than my earlier suggestion!

This one's got my vote.

Myke


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 11:08:39 +0100


>Tom,
>
>OK, so in this case you're considering the actual multi-track master to
>be the "copie zero" generation which was then mixed directly to standard
>audiocassettes (1st gen) and CD #5 was made from one of those actual
>original "mixdown masters"???  If so, incredible!

>
>Myke

fyi myke, the multi-track is not the master - the final mixed tune tape
is the original master...

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 1980 demos vs. 1984
Date: 18 Jan 1998 09:24:20 -0500


> Tom,
>
> OK, so in this case you're considering the actual multi-track master to
> be the "copie zero" generation which was then mixed directly to standard
> audiocassettes (1st gen) and CD #5 was made from one of those actual
> original "mixdown masters"???  If so, incredible!
>
> Am I also correct to assume that both the 1980 demos and the 1984
> rehearsals have this same story to tell?

No.  Not the same story.   You have probably noticed that the ROY demos
sound much much better than the FolkIII demos.

The FolkIII rehearsal tape is a different story altogether.  Because it is
just a rehearsal tape, it was recorded on a really cheap consumer type
tape, as a practice tape, I think.   This IS the first recording session of
FOLK III though.
Its really cool because this was the first time these songs were recorded
in the studio, a few months before the final mix which is on the 2fer.
    This was with cheap equipment, unlike the 1980 demos which are supposed
to sound as good as possible.

The 1984 rehearsal tape's only purpose, was so that the band can take their
"regular" cassettes home to listen to, and then decide later what to change
before going into the studio for the REAL thing, with the REAL equipment.

Which kinda makes this the closest thing to FOLKIII demos, doesn't it?  :-)

I am not 100% sure about any of this, but this is what I was told.

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:44:09 EST


Hey !!!!

I'll give a call again to Ivan's manager this week for our private concert....
Everything should be in May or June.  I'm gonna try to get the participation
of Colin and Stephan, that will give a terrible sound to the show!!!!!

I'll let you know!

Francis


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:54:39 -0500 (EST)


> the multi-track is not the master - the final mixed tune tape
> is the original master...

This is what I have always considered to be true.

So CD #5 is made from a (1st gen) copy of a ("copie zero") master
(audiocassette) that was mixed to directly from multi-track tape?

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH, oldies!!!!
Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:44:10 EST


People are talking about MWH old stufff, old demos,

But personally, I like also PGTW and 21st century.  Is there some demos???
Some shows??? SOMETHING!?!?!?

PEople are giving shit to Marc Durand, but he was the only one to give this
sound to the band between 1980 and 1986.  I know personally MArc Durand.  We
have to give him some credit for his work, not for the way he managed the
band.  Even if I dont like him very much, you have to know the guy before you
judge him.

Ciao

Francis


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) private concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 13:45:40 -0500


is any one planning on making a bootleg of the private concert for those
who will be unable to attend for one reason or another

whit


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:48:24 -0500
Date: 18 Jan 1998 11:46:27 -0700


i am going to paris in late march if any one knows a record store where
you can pick up the 2fer and would like me to do so for them please
notify as quickly as possible
    i also need to know the price

whit


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) private concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 13:46:41 -0500


> is any one planning on making a bootleg of the private concert for those
> who will be unable to attend for one reason or another

Oh yes yes!
I think Francis has even included that in the contract, in fact.  We may
have 4 people taping at once , video and audio, just in case.

Tom
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD4 is nearly here...
Date: 18 Jan 1998 19:33:44 +0100


NEWS NEWS and more NEWS :)

For people who've been bugging Tom Norman about CD4, well I've just
finished mastering it!  The track listing is:

(cleaned up BBC recording of a hats gig)
1. intro
2. ideas for walls
3. where do the boys go
4. safety dance
5. mothers opinion
6. security
7. modern dancing

8. moonbeam (house is a home)
9. moonbeam '98 (moose's mac mix)
10. winnebago song

the mitsou tapes
11. terre des hommes
12. a funny place (the world is)

People may wonder what track 9 is - well, lets just say that you'll only
ever hear is on this CD and at the time of writing this email (7:20pm
18th Jan 98) its only 1 hour old.  yup, I got bored and created an
"exclusive mix" for the Hats List...

Listen out for Tom's postings on CD4's availability.  Enjoy, its worth
the wait!


mike aka moose  }:-)
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Merry Christmas
Date: 18 Jan 1998 14:24:03 -0500 (EST)


    I have returned to Ithaca College after a long x-mas break. I came
back last night and what did i see, but 194 total messages from MWH
mailing list. I GUESS it was like a present...only presents are fun to
look at and to open...however i was shocked to see alot of bickering about
a Mr. Somebody. Well, I have other topics which I would like to discuss.

    I went to Montreal over the break (I live in New Jersey), and
avoided the ice storm by 1 day. I stayed up there for 4 days. Now, I'm not
sure which devotees are from Mont-Real (I learned that) but I'll tell you
a couple of things I did.

    I went by myself and stayed at the Auberge de Junesse on Mackay. I
visited the Biodome, Olympic Park, IMAX, and climbed Mount Royal. I went
to Crescent street at night and walked around Old Montreal, and visited
the ports, and memorized Saint Catherine's. I picked up Sideways, In the
21st Century, the Spell, PGTW, Greatest Hats...all of which are impossible
to get in the states.

    Anyway, I was wondering who on this list lives up there so maybe
this summer when I go again, I could bum a stay for a night. I only
require clean sheets and a hot meal every night (I kid of course). Let me
know.

Collin (no, not that one)



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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:41:42 +0000


LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> OK, so in this case you're considering the actual multi-track master to
> be the "copie zero" generation which was then mixed directly to standard
> audiocassettes (1st gen) and CD #5 was made from one of those actual
> original "mixdown masters"???  If so, incredible!

Actually, if what Tom says is thrue, it is better than that. The
multi-track master is not copie zero. A mix done directly from the
multitrack master will be the copie zero. Usually, multi copies are made
from the original Mixdown masters (or copy zero). So in my book, what
Tom is holding IS A ZERO COPY. The copies he's sending to list members
are first generation (like domestic CD incidently). You have to
understand that 1st generation doesn't mean quality, it just mean that
it comes directly from copie zero. On the other hand, a copie zero is
priceless, even if there were several of them, each one is unique, with
is own personality. So... wow!

> Am I also correct to assume that both the 1980 demos and the 1984
> rehearsals have this same story to tell?

I have no idea about that...

Take care

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:44:40 +0000


mike wrote:
>
> fyi myke, the multi-track is not the master - the final mixed tune tape
> is the original master...

Said in a more effective way, exactly what I tried to explain in my
incredible english writing...

Sorry for the possible confusion...

CLaude


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) private concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:58:30 EST


hi hatters....
someone else had posted something re: this concert earlier today, but i
accidentally erased it:/
whoever sent it (i think it was angie, but could be wrong!) please repost:/

ttyl,
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD4 is nearly here...
Date: 18 Jan 1998 17:12:04 +0000


mike wrote:
>
> NEWS NEWS and more NEWS :)
>
> For people who've been bugging Tom Norman about CD4, well I've just
> finished mastering it!  The track listing is:
>
> the mitsou tapes
> 11. terre des hommes
> 12. a funny place (the world is)
>

Okay, one question (very sensible persons, delete the message quickly,
don't read it). Who makes decisions here? How come you have 2 songs from
Mitsou on that CD (very very easy to find in stores, still published)
and there is no trace of Je M'en Souviens, a song Ivan did with the
FrenchB and that is absolutely impossible to find in store (only 500 CDs
pressed, only for radio?????????????). Someone clarify this mystery...

Claude


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Merry Christmas
Date: 18 Jan 1998 17:06:30 EST


In a message dated 98-01-18 14:46:07 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>     I went by myself and stayed at the Auberge de Junesse on Mackay. I
>  visited the Biodome, Olympic Park, IMAX, and climbed Mount Royal. I went
>  to Crescent street at night and walked around Old Montreal, and visited
>  the ports, and memorized Saint Catherine's. I picked up Sideways, In the
>  21st Century, the Spell, PGTW, Greatest Hats...all of which are impossible
>  to get in the states.
>
kewl beanz!   i have to ask whether or not the Auberge is a hotel, or a
hostel....as i'd like my Montreal leg of the trip to last at least 7-10 days,
and i am also having to venture to toronto as well as having to lug about a
portfolio along with the rest of my luggage,  i will most likely be looking
into a hotel (unless someone is able to put me up) ...Colin, would you  be so
kind as to post the rates, please?

thanks again and ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 18 Jan 1998 17:09:31 EST


In a message dated 98-01-18 16:46:36 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> mike wrote:
>  >
>  > fyi myke, the multi-track is not the master - the final mixed tune tape
>  > is the original master...

IE: another name for the multi-track is a 'working copy', right?

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From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) private concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 18:01:09 EST


In a message dated 98-01-18 13:45:19 EST, you write:

> is any one planning on making a bootleg of the private concert for those
>  who will be unable to attend for one reason or another
>
>  whit

Why make a bootleg if it's a private concert? Why don't we ask if we could do
it professionally? I know I wouldn't mind seeing a nicely-produced video of
one of the best concerts we'll ever see ;)

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) private concert
Date: 18 Jan 1998 18:25:20 EST


In a message dated 98-01-18 17:01:19 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> hi hatters....
>  someone else had posted something re: this concert earlier today, but i
>  accidentally erased it:/
>  whoever sent it (i think it was angie, but could be wrong!) please repost:/
>
>  ttyl,
>  Charlotte
>
p.s.: this was AFTER whit's posting:)


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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Quiz v2.00
Date: 18 Jan 1998 20:34:28 -0800


Hmmm...  there hasn't been to good of a turn out for my 2nd MWH quiz.  It's
a name that tune game.  Come on folks, get on the bandwagon, test your
skills!  Two people have tried it and I am sure they loved it.  Thanx you
two people.  Catch ya all later!

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: CD4 tracks
Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:36:06 +0100


>Okay, one question (very sensible persons, delete the message quickly,
>don't read it). Who makes decisions here? How come you have 2 songs from
>Mitsou on that CD (very very easy to find in stores, still published)
>and there is no trace of Je M'en Souviens, a song Ivan did with the
>FrenchB and that is absolutely impossible to find in store (only 500 CDs
>pressed, only for radio?????????????). Someone clarify this mystery...
>
>Claude
Well, as I made CD4 I'm suppose I'd better answer you Claude...

It may be easy for you to find the Mitsou CD but outside of Canada I'm
sure its darn near impossible to get hold of - here in England record
shops just laugh!!  Anyways, all these tracks (apart from the moose mix)
were sent to me when I originally asked for all Hats stuff quite a few
months ago now - they're been lying around my studio waiting for a few
hours to edit and cut to CD master for Tom to reproduce...  And as for
'Je M'en Souviens" - well, if I had a copy of that then that would've
been on the disk for sure...

Hopefully this answers your valid question...


Mike
Pigpen Digital, London

PS ...and no mention of the exclusive Moonbeam remix... Interesting
thought process Claude!



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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Generations and Stuff
Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:36:05 +0100


>> mike wrote:
>>  >
>>  > fyi myke, the multi-track is not the master - the final mixed tune tape
>>  > is the original master...
>
>IE: another name for the multi-track is a 'working copy', right?

well I suppose it could be called that, but I personnaly use a hard disk
recording system on a Macintosh to get things 'up and running", then
transfer that stuff to digital tape which is then mixed and transferred
to DAT...   I'm sure it could get worse...

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From: PTKOLB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ... in the middle of a mystery
Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:38:55 EST


In a message dated 98-01-16 17:43:24 EST, you write:

<< speaking of mysteries...

 the other day on NPR, I heard this song on world cafe, and the chorus went
 something like ".....blah, blah blah...the hole in the moon....", it was a
 long song and it sounded like the group James, though I am not sure.  Can
 anybody help me with this, I really dug the song, but "hole in the moon" may
 not be the title.  Thanks. >>

Could this have been "Whole of the Moon"  by the Waterboys.  An excellent song
but I'm not sure how much it sounds like James.  If it had some strings, it
may have been.  I could put the Waterboys track into realaudio for you if you
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From: "Nick B" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hello
Date: 20 Jan 1998 10:28:08 PST


Hi Everyone,
            I'm a new member of hats! My name is Nick, I'm 18 and I live
in Connecticut. I have been a hats fan since "Rythem of Youth" came out.
My older sister is also a fan, so she was always playing Hats records
which I still like today. My favorite songs are "Living In China" and
"The Safety Dance" (especially the extended version), but I do like just
about everything they've done.  Well thats about it for now. My thanks
to my other friend Nick ([e-mail]) for telling me about the
list. I look foward to talkin' about hats with all of you.
           A Youth Who Has Rythem,
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the old one remembers
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:17:53 +0000


Happy birthday to Chris J. Pressley from all his fellow hatters!


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hello, and time for Intros?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:28:23 +0000


Hi Hatters!

And especially to our new members like Nick B!

We've had a lot of new Hatters appearing recently, so maybe it's
time once again for the great Hats "outing"???  Seems like we do
this every 6 months or so, and since it's a new year, I don't mind
reacquainting myself with everyone . . .

I'll even start!  ;-)

I'm Laura from North Carolina (US).  I'm 28 for another couple of
months, married to a non-Hatter (but Jim likes Jethro Tull, so he
can't be all bad, eh?), and we have 2 dogs (a Chinook and a
Labrador) and 5 cats (those of you who have been keeping score might
note that this is represents a new cat since the last outing).  I
work for state government developing educational achievement tests
for the department of education, and my educational background is in
psychological testing and measurement.  I like to read (especially
mysteries), collect stamps, train my Lab (2/3U-CD Cocoa CD NA CGC),
volunteer at the Animal Shelter, and do statistics (one sick puppy!).

Hats-wise, I have been a *major* fan since 1983 (Safety Dance, of
course - Martha Quinn's New Music Hour Sunday nights on MTV).  I saw
them in concert in 1983 for the ROY tour, and I saw Ivan again last
summer in Montreal promoting The Spell at the Rock sans Frontieres
concert.    I have like zillions of MWH albums (including some on
*vinyl* - that sure dates me, doesn't it!), and last summer Ivan
graciously autographed 9 of my MWH/Ivan CDs, including the FPDs, and
he autographed my new Hats T-shirt.  I can't wait for the private
concert to meet more of my fellow Hatters, since I've had such a fun
time hanging out with all the ones I've met so far.  :-)

Note to new and old alike . . .
I was about to make another order of T-shirts based on my original
ROY concert T, but have had a series of small disasters which have
eaten up my time, so if you still want a T-shirt, send me email here
or at [e-mail]   Sorry for the delay, for those of you
that have been waiting since August.  :-(  I'm a terrible person.

Who else is out there?  Don't be shy!

:-) Laura :-)


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hello
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:27:00 EST


In a message dated 98-01-20 13:30:18 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Hi Everyone,
>              I'm a new member of hats! My name is Nick, I'm 18 and I live
>  in Connecticut. I have been a hats fan since "Rythem of Youth" came out.
>  My older sister is also a fan, so she was always playing Hats records
>  which I still like today. My favorite songs are "Living In China" and
>  "The Safety Dance" (especially the extended version), but I do like just
>  about everything they've done.  Well thats about it for now. My thanks
>  to my other friend Nick ([e-mail]) for telling me about the
>  list. I look foward to talkin' about hats with all of you.
>             A Youth Who Has Rythem,
>                                    Nick B.
>
>
welcome to the list, nick!

ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: "T. Spane" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Intros and stuff
Date: 20 Jan 1998 11:43:16 -0800 (PST)


I'm 23 yrs. old and have been a Hat fanatic for quite a while.  I only
found this list about 6 months ago or so and haven't yet posted until now.
I'm a student at the University of Washington and that is my story.  So,
so long for now and I would like to thank Tom again for the great boots.
Thanks
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hi from Toronto
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:57:31 -0500


Hiya!

I'm Daniele, I'm 24 and I live in Toronto (I'm male, by the way.  I have an
Italian name).  I've liked MWH since Rhythm of Youth.  In fact, that is my
favourite album from them and one of my favourite albums of all time.  I am
looking for work in webpage design so wish me luck!  I am also a cartoonist
(um, unaccomplished) an dI like listening to shortwave radio, abba, techno,
and I lifting weights.  Of ocurs,e I love the Internet and love Internet
telephony.
I have a huge fascination with Europe.

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Online Comic Book
http://www.interlog.com/~daniele

Spandau Ballet Unofficial Homepage
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From: "Mr. Oglio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Intros and stuff
Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:01:43 -0700


Hey Hatters

I'm Carl Caprioglio, President of Oglio Records. Oglio put together a
"Best Of" collection (called Collection) and released it in the US in
1996.

Oglio subsequently released the full length albums ROY & FolkIII as a 2
for 1 CD and sold it outside the USA via mail order only. A new "Best
Of" based on the same tracks has recently been released in Europe.

I've been on the list since just before we put out Collection. I enjoy
the feedback and suggestions from the list. Perhaps we'll meet at one of
the Ivan concerts.

Carl


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Intros and stuff
Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:01:42 +0000


Hi,

My name is Claude, if you want to know more about me and about 52 other
MWH fans from around the world, just go to
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/3136/whoswho_mwh.html

You'll even read more about Dr. Laura...

I remind all of you that it is very easy and fast to get onto this list,
and easy to modify your actual entry (like if you have a new cat or
other important information ;o).

It is easy to consult. Some people even have a picture (ID card). They
are sorted by country. This can become handy if you are looking for a CD
available only in Canada, or the States or Europe or even Japan (sorry
for that one Will). This way, you rapidly find who can help you. A lot
of peoples on that list offer more specific services. So use it!!!!

Take care

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) New Hats Member
Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:17:15 -0500 (EST)


    Hello to everyone,

Nathan Shireman, born Sep. 19th, 1975.  I just joined the hats mailing
list thanks to some aid from MWH fans.  I have been a fan of MWH for many
years, since I first stumbled upon the thing called music.  Being a
poet/musician, I have always been inspired by the great works of IVAN and
company.  And of course, there's nothing quite like 80's music.  I am on a
personal mission to locate and retrieve rare MWH remixes, "Freeways", and
MWH videos.  If anyone out there can help, I would be the happiest Hats
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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hello, and time for Intros?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:40:55 EST


okie...me next!:)

My name is Charlotte ....i am originally from san fran bay area, but live in
southern ca. now, where i work as a character layout animator on 'The
Simpsons' (just finished my third season on the series, and gearing up for my
fourth!) ...other likes include life drawing and other forms of sketching, as
well as other forms of animation ( i eventually would like to find something
up in canada!), music, movies, traveling...blah,blah,blah!

as far as my MWH status goes...i became AWARE of them in 83 (safety
dance)..due to it's constant airplay i became sick of them pretty darn fast!
(i got the message was the only thing that somewhat kept my interest!)
it wasn't until i heard 'pop' in 87 that my faith was restored and i have
remained pretty true to the sound ever since:)

i also am looking forward to seeing all you mad hatters up in montreal this
summer (provided that the date is still no earlier than late june!)  methinx
we'll all be in for one crazy w/e, as aren't we supposed to have a convention
as well?

ah well, enough outta my yap for now!   again, welcome nick:)

ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: "Nick B" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hello Again
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:53:24 PST


Hi Everyone,
            Thanks so much for the warm welcome!! I've enjoyed meeting
and hearing other fan's stories!
                                Thanks Again,
                                             Nick B.

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A Name for the Cover CD...
Date: 18 Jan 1998 03:02:27 -0500 (EST)


I think what Laura chose to put on our T-Shirts last year is also
something that would be good for a title...

"The Great Ones Remember"

Myke


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A Name for the Cover CD...
Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:19:36 EST


In a message dated 98-01-20 18:58:13 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I think what Laura chose to put on our T-Shirts last year is also
>  something that would be good for a title...
>
>  "The Great Ones Remember"
>
>  Myke
>
>
i believe  i already beat you to the punch *somewhat* when i suggested:
"The Great Ones, Remembered"

ttyl,
Charlotte


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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hello, and time for Intros?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:18:17 -0800


I'll take a crack at an outing.  My name is Aaron Gitlin and I am from Las
Vegas, NV.  I have been a Hats fan since diapers in 1984 when my brother got
his "Rhythm of Youth" cassette.   Now I continue with about 7 CDs of theirs.
I am about 15, so MWH is only a few years older than I.  I hope to see ya
all at the upcoming concert.  Until then, catch ya latez

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From: TXhoedown <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Intro's continued
Date: 20 Jan 1998 21:00:51 EST


Hello hatless ones,

My name is Chris and I have been on the list for awhile now, peridocially
posting unintelligent musings.  I am a career college student at the
University of South Carolina (Columbia, home of Hootie! hehehe and originally
from New Port Richey, Florida), but may actually graduate in December (then
what the hell am I going to do?)  I dig basketball, golf, the Simpsons, and
the mountains, which is where I hope to move after my college gig is up.
Other than MWH, my favorite bands include Idaho, Sister Machine Gun, New
Order, KMFDM, and the Cult as well as a couple of semi-locals, Atheneaum and
Jump Little Children (my shameless plug for them).

I got hooked On MWH with the Safety Dance and have been an vocal supporter of
their work ever since.  My most prized MWH possession is the 12 inch
revolutionary cover Living in China, as well as all the fan produced CD's, and
of course the bitchin t-shirt.  I'll be in Canada this summer, walking around
in circles with the rest of you (lets see, Corona in Mexico, so I guess Molson
in Canada).  My other claim to fame is that in the credits of 21st Century and
Sideways, they thank someone named Christopher Reed, which is my first and
middle names (Ivans just thanking me for all my support over the years,
however I cannot explain the exclusion of my last name).

Welcome all new members, here's to you........

[e-mail]
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From: CDcollectr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) welcome
Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:08:36 EST


welcome to all the new list members!!

my name is Ray, and i have been on this list for just under a year. i am from
rhode island, 32 yrs. old, married for 4 yrs, have a 15 mos. old son and a
cat. i have been a fan since '83 and "rhythm of youth". i have seen them live
only once, in november of '83. my passion in life is music!! i have just over
1700 cd's, along w/ some vinyl and tapes. some of my favorite bands are: toy
dolls, damned, gong, fischer-z, pogues, doa, tubes. thanks to the great people
on this list, i have aquired a bunch of cool mwh stuff!

enjoy!!

ray


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From: "Avi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Intro
Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:55:42 -0500


Hello All !!!

My name is Avi Rosenthal.  i am a computer consultant in Boca Raton Florida
and I just turned 30 (ugh.) I have been a MWH fan scince the very begining.
i was hooked on Safety Dance, bought the cassette and fell in love with the
rest of the music.  i joined the list about a year and a half ago, to find
out where i could find ROY on CD.  thanks to carl and oglio, i am a very
proud owner of that CD.

i have a 2 1/2 year old daughter (alexandra), and whenever she rides in my
car she begs for "daddy's song"  which is Open your Eyes.  she is almost
singing the whole song, if you can believe it.  it's a good thing that my
wife (robin) and i love the song, becaue we must have listened to it about
1000 times.

i look forward to seeing all of you in Montreal this June for the concert.

Welcome to all of the new members...

Avi







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From: [e-mail] (jon masciana)
Subject: (hats) hats stuff
Date: 20 Jan 1998 23:27:59 -0800 (PST)


New to the mailing list--hi!

I'm a big MWH fan and love em to death...I'm one of those out there who
really enjoyed the Spell cd, but it did hav moments of cheesiness. Does
anyone know if "Open Your Eyes" has been released as a single? I saw a
cover on the Tox Records site, but does anyone own a copy? Any remixes?
Just curious...

Also, does anyone out there have a copy of the I Like 12"--looking around
for that one too--is there a remix on it?

Ivan rules! What's this about a show this summer?

Take care,

Jon





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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Hello, and time for Intros?
Date: 21 Jan 1998 13:41:00 +0000


Intro time I guess.

I`m Si and I work as a telecommunications engineer for Lucent in the UK,
busy engineering switches for the UK telecomms network.  Currently I`m in
the middle of a massive project to replace the current Directory
Assistance network, and am expecting even more work to come in within the
next
year - I`m amazed I even have time to write this :-))  (especially as I`m
also studying for a degree). I am married with 4 little `uns who take up
a large amount of my time but I wouldn`t have it any other way (and they
all like the Hats too - except my wife who has this strange fixation on
`swing`).

I was first turned onto the Hats by Safety Dance (is there anyone here
who wasn't?) and bought the first 2 albums on vinyl way back when I was
still at school (I`m nearly 30 now!!), but then thought MWH had vanished
from the musical landscape until I discovered this list shortly after
starting work in my present job and getting my first taste of the web.

Since being here I have managed to get everything I want by the Hats
(this excludes Sideways currently) on CD which I would never have been
able to do without this list.  Kisses to Laura and thanks to Ralph for
starting and completing my collection, and thanks also to everyone
involved in the bootlegs (am I allowed to call them that?).  It's also
nice to find a fellow fan who owns his own label, and who really got the
ball rolling as far as official re-issues
go - cheers Carl.

I know I`m not going to be able to see the Ivan concert in the flesh but
I`m depending on your guys to put together a good multimedia package so I
can see what I missed.

Note to Laura:  If you`re a terrible person, I must be far worse - I
still haven`t gotten round to converting Bodyguards for you.  I will do
this soon.....

ttfn,

Si Wooldridge

Senior Systems Equipment Engineer
Lucent Technologies

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From: PTKOLB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hello, and time for Intros?
Date: 21 Jan 1998 10:22:38 EST


Time for an intro:

My name is PD (initials that you run togethor) and I've largely been a lurker
on the list since I discovered it about three months ago.  I live in South
Dakota (USA) and am enjoying my last month of being 30!  The hats have been
favorites of mine since, you guessed it, '83.  I was lucky enough to see them
live (once) and thanks to the list, have discovered that there was music after
PGTW.  My collection is somewhat limited, (cds of ROY, PGTW, Spell,
Collection) and I would like to expand it.  I would appreciate leads on any CD
material (boots, 2-4-1, et cetra) that people know of or would like to sell.
Interests include working (ugh), music: playing and listening with a special
fondness for The Beautiful South, The Housemartins, Paul Weller, and many 80's
acts,  working with my Labrador (a BIG pup who is unsure of his lot in life),
dabbling with web construction, skiing (alpine and nordic), racing mountain
bikes,  and reading Martin Amis.  Oh, and I do watch Just Shoot Me every
Tuesday (because David Spade is hilarious!), and the Simpsons, King of the
Hill, and X-Files every Sunday!


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) another bio
Date: 21 Jan 1998 11:01:05 -0500


My name is whit farnum a 16 year old who attends boarding school in
asheville nc, and this is MWH story:

    i first heard safety dance when it was used for the music to a
horse drill team i was on in '93. after several months of searching i
managed to find the tape ROY and was instantly hooked. i was unable to
find any other albums and was unware that they even exsisted until, by
chance, i came across the collection at my local record shop adn
dicovered they more songs than what was on ROY. i then began my search
for these cd's but due to my location in cultural and musical vaccum the
search was futile until i gained interenet access and discovered the
joys of interent shopping and this list this summer. since then i have
gained PGTW and the safety dance single on vinyl(thanks to my music
teacher) to my collection and cd 5 is on its way
    other bands i listen to are the talkingheads, kraftwerk, aphex
twin, the dead milkmen, TMBG, archers of loaf, rollins band, the queers,
and depeche mode. i am also a person disturbing ly obsessed with the
x-files and millenium and all of last season and most of this season on
tape
    hope to meet all you at the concert if i can somehow make up to
canada this summer and if not i won't unless some of you live in
asheville and would like to get together

whit


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) remixes
Date: 21 Jan 1998 11:39:56 -0500


>New to the mailing list--hi!

Welcome to the list :)

>anyone know if "Open Your Eyes" has been released as a single? I saw a
>cover on the Tox Records site, but does anyone own a copy? Any remixes?
>Just curious...

There is a promo-only 12" of "Open Your Eyes".  It has two mixes, one of
them being a longer version of the other.  I have only seen it on vinyl, not
CD (or tape).  It is good remix but like always, the original is better ;)

>Also, does anyone out there have a copy of the I Like 12"--looking around
>for that one too--is there a remix on it?

I don't know if there is a 12" for "I Like" but I doubt there is one :(

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From: Thdrew <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Me
Date: 21 Jan 1998 12:04:53 EST



My Intro:



Hello,

My name is the Happy Drew. I grew up in the swampy regions of Florida. When I
was very young I joined a travelling circus and became a clown. After my term
of school was done. (We had a travelling teacher with the circus) , I went
back to Florida where I went to college at a small little place in St
Augustine. Now I live in New York City. I perform a little vaudeville clown
act called "The Happy Drew's Swamp Show".  This little period of my life won't
last long because I really miss being in Florida!

In anycase, my connection with Men Without Hats is that I think the the "Pop
Goes The World" album is one of the greatest artistic masterpieces ever
achieved by man.

I don't talk much on the list but I listen to everything.

-The Happy Drew


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From: "Woodrow W. Zenfell, III" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hello
Date: 21 Jan 1998 12:11:19 -0600 (CST)


Hi, my name's Woody, 21, and I'm in the last leg of my MS work in computer
science here in St. Louis, MO.  I've been on the list a few years now, and
make one large post every half year or so that nobody replies to.  :)  I
think I've also bought everything that became available on the list (who
wouldn't?? :) ).. stickers, t-shirts, 2-fer, boots, etc.  My college a
capella group, The Amateurs, recently released its first CD "Blue" which
includes Ban the Game and Where Do the Boys Go?.  We have also added
"Forever" to our literature this season.

I got involved with MwoH because I used to listen to Weird Al Yankovic,
and I thought his original song "The Brady Bunch" was brilliantly catchy.
Much to my surprise, I found out a year or two later that it was a parody
of this song called "The Safety Dance".  (Gimme a break, I'd've been like
7, with no older siblings listening to radio, when that song was out..)
Amazingly, my local library branch had a copy of the Rhythm of Youth vinyl
LP.  I must have checked and re-checked that thing out for like a year.  I
got the ...In the 21st Century cassette first, thinking "21st century
safety dance" would be at least somewhat related to the original.
Obviously I was disappointed, but grew to like some of the other tracks on
that album.  Finally my mom ran across the RoY cassette at Best Buy and
got it for me for 99 cents, and I eventually added more to my collection,
including a few copies of Folk...III on vinyl from Best Buy for like 9
cents each or something.  Now I have basically everything that's not
unusually rare (besides the FPD's - thanks lots!!).

As hobbies I play orchestral percussion (a hobby that pays once in a while
:) ) and video games (a hobby that never seems to :/ ).  I live with my
cat Munchie, my girlfriend, and her cat Smokey.  My latest triumph was
having Rebecca announce that she actually kind of liked some of the early
MwoH stuff, and she let me make a tape for her that she listens to in the
car.  (100 minutes - 28 tracks - FotE, RoY demos, RoY, FotE3 with a
somewhat truncated Mother's Opinion (had to fit all those other songs in
too!))  I also listen to Erasure and William Orbit, and went through a
strong Nine Inch Nails phase (yes, before Closer) a few years back that
I've since grown out of.

Welcome aboard to the new folk and hi again to all the people who've been
around!

Woody



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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Moose Intro - da da da
Date: 21 Jan 1998 18:45:02 +0100


>Who else is out there?  Don't be shy!
OK - my turn I believe!  My name is Mike 'Moose' Best and live in London
England.  I own and run a small digital recording/programming studio
called Pigpen Digital, and do computer programming as well.  I've just
turned 32, just turned single again...(?) and love mucking about with
sound (even in my spare time).  Also, I sell Mac Audio systems to mostly
musicians.  Recently remixed and edited several of the bootleg CDs (the
ones Tom is reproducing for you all) and even remixed Moonbeam into a new
version - Moose's Mac Mix I believe I called it - track 9 on the BBC live
CD due out soon...  If ppl like it then I might do some more! (oh no I
hear you cry!!!)

Huge fan since Safety Dance went top 20 here in the UK, but didn't have
any CDs 'till  a couple of  years ago when more money meant more spending
- even flew to San Fransisco for a CD expedition (not quite but it was a
major reason for going!) and found several Hats CDs just lying in their
racks wanting a good home.

Other interests - Getting the first single out for my band Alaska
Highway... we do all the work in my spare room so you can imagine that it
looks kinda cool with the lights off and the gear on - flashing lights,
LEDs etc - chick puller!! :)  Love sandy sea shores - and especially the
sound of the sea - one of nature's amazing efforts that one!

I too have loads of vinyl (you aint _that_ old Bonehead!), but CDs are
taking over - currently on 750+.  Massive Vince Clarke freak (Depeche,
Yazoo, Erasure) and and and and...

Right, someone else's turn perhaps - who wants the 'mic' now?


Moose
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) vinyl mixes
Date: 21 Jan 1998 19:21:01 +0100


Hmm me thinks - what mixes on vinyl aren't on any of the CDs?  I have
PGTW 12", TSD 12" & WDTBG 12" (plus 4 vinyl albums) plus TSD on 7" but
I'm sure I have more somewhere...  Anyone got any other 12" vinyl with
mixes we could use?  I could record them, clean them up (using some
amazing de-click software I've got on my Mac) and make a master CD for
Tom to dupe...  Anyone?

ideas on a postcard to the usual address!

Moose
Pigpen Digital

PS Hey Tom - I haven't forgotten the Portion Control vinyl u wanted!!



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Wanna hear more demos?
Date: 21 Jan 1998 15:23:28 -0500


Hiya!

No, I do no thave more demos by Men Without Hats or Ivan's solo works but I
do have a trick to share!  I am on the Abba mailing list (I think there are
others on this list who are members as well) where the currant discussion is
about the strange little phenomenon when you listen to music with afaulty
amplifier or headphones, you hear some parts of the song.  Sometimes you
hear instruments you never heard before and sometimes just the music!  Maybe
even a different pitch!
This works perfectly with Abba because their music wasn't just straight
stereo. they had different levels of harmonies an dinstruments played all at
once.

Back on topic, I took a mono-to-stereo headphone jack and plugged it into my
cd player walkman.  Then I plugged my headphones into that but only
halfway-- not even halfway.  I left it dangling, almost falling off.
Presto!  All you hear is music and some isntruments, etc!

I tried this with my 2-for-1 CD. Well, only two songs.  "Living In China"
sounds like a demo.

Here's the best part.  Right now I am listening to Ivan's CD and so far I'm
at "Superbadgirls".  "The Spell" sounded ok.  All you heard was music and
some of the lyrics.  "Superbadgirls" sounds like a remix!!!  An accapella
something like the moonbeam one.  You only hear the swirling sound and the
beat. THAT's IT!  With Ivan's Voice.  You hardley even hear the backup
singer.  It sounds like a perfect intro to a live concert (hint hint).  At
times you even hear a totally different drum beat!

Now, before peopel start to panic and think there are subliminal messages on
his CD, this is normal.  It's only a weird phenomenon.  :)

I changed to "Open Your Eyes" and all you hear is Ivan's voice very echoing
and the techno part of the song!!!!!!  YOW!  Who needs a remix?  ;)

There is another way of doing this.  I haven't tried it because I don't have
it, but I'll cut and paste the isntructions that were typed up on the Abba
mailing list...

"If you have unpowered speakers plugged into the standard speaker
jack of your sound card, nothing about the sound will change. You must
have speakers that use their own power supply; they plug into the jack
next to the normal speaker jack. My sound card is a Sound Blaster AWE64.
Maybe it takes lots of fancy settings to make this sound happen, and a
basic card won't do it; I don't know. It may depend on what sound card you
have.

Put [the CD] in your CD-ROM and [play a song].  The CD player software that
comes with Windows 95, under View, has a menu item called Volume Control. Click
on that. On the far left is the master Volume Control. It has a button at the
bottom that says "advanced." Click on it. At the bottom, under "Other
Controls," there is a box called "3-D Enhancement." If it is checked, turn
it off. Then, if you have POWERED speakers for your soundcard, the sound
you seek will show up."

If you have Abba's "Take A Chance On Me" on CD, use that to try it out.  the
vocals almost disappear.

"1972 (Slippin' Away)" is playing now and it's FANTASTIC!  It sounds like it
is playing at a club. You don't even hear Mitsou speaking (if that is
her)!!!  All you hear is a piano!

Of course the originals are better but this is one little fun way to listen
to you favourite CDs.

I wonder if the same thing happens with the demos?

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) OOPS!
Date: 21 Jan 1998 18:01:52 -0500 (EST)


Daniele,

What you are describing is called the "OOPS" (Out Of Phase Stereo) effect.

For a full explanation regarding what it is and several methods for
achieving it, check out:

http://www.liv.ac.uk/ipm/beatles/boops.html

This is something big in the Kate Bush mailing list.
They actually had someone manufacturing special headphone jacks
for others on the list to use to hear Kate Bush songs this way.
They called it a "Dreaming Plug" or something similar.

Myke


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ivan performances
Date: 21 Jan 1998 19:21:12 -0500


a friend of mine just told me that she saw ivan perform under the name
without in boston coffee house about 4 or 3 years ago she remembered
this after seeing the covver to cd 5 and any one substantiate this claim
or is she putting me on

whit


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From: Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Intros and stuff
Date: 21 Jan 1998 20:46:30 -0500


Hi,
I'm Dave, I edit and publish a little magazine about music and bands
from the 1980's. This is a good time to say that issue #6 is ALMOST
DONE! (Honest! I saw the blueline copy Monday). It will feature
interviews with ABC, (yeah!), Heaven 17, A Flock of Seagulls, Ric Ocasek
and Peach Union, plus a nice discography on Toyah!
I love to (try and ) follow all the threads here. Any news on Ivan and
MWH is always welcome (and usually ends up in Lexicon!)
If you want more info, like subscription information (Spam! alert!)
please email me directly.
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From: "Michael R. Ward" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) introduction
Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:14:22 -0500 (EST)


i'm sorry i'm not much of a writer but here goes. i have been a men w/o
hats fan for 10 years. my favorite is pop goes the world and sideways.
favorite song is o sol mio (sic? i'm not much of a speller either). beyond
that i am a huge gary numan and nitzer ebb fan as well as liking bryan
ferry and japan. my musical choices change like the weather but those are
the constants i always come back to. i am thirty and single and a hugh car
buff with a large collection of hot wheels toys (o.k. so i never grew up.)
i am customer service rep by trade who is working on a masters in
information studies. thats all. michael



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From: ADTooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bio...
Date: 21 Jan 1998 19:10:13 EST


Hi, Hatters!
Especially for our new members, here is my short bio...

I am Angie Tooley of northern New England, and I have been a Hats fan since
1983.  In 15 years I have collected a lot of cool stuff, including the "I Got
The
Message" 45rpm picture disk.  I am still influenced by the Hats sound, even
though I listen more to bluegrass, folk, and country music more than anything
else these days. (Actually, I find I have been listening to a lot of R.E.M.
lately.)

I am happily UNmarried, with no children.  However I have a dog (Athena) and
a cat (Mittens) whom I love very much. I also live with my mother's Yorkshire
Terrier and Miniature Pinscher.

 I have a degree in Fine Arts and one in
Business Administration, and  I am going to college at night, working on a
Paralegal Certificate.
After that I will enter University for my Political Science bachelor's degree.
The ultimate goal is Law School.

I, along with a couple other list members who live in Montreal, am responsible
for
the production and organization of a proposed concert open only to "list
members"
and their friends and family.  This concert will take place in June 1998, in
Montreal.
The ticket sales will pay Ivan's performance fee.  Hopefully we will be able
to get
the brothers on stage with Ivan, but at any rate, it is understood that we
will be
hearing principally Men Without Hats songs.

My other interests include taking road trips to Quebec, bass fishing, playing
my
instruments, painting and drawing, driving my new car :-), and hanging out
with my
friends.

So, that's me in a nutshell!  I hope to meet each and every one of you in
person
in June!!

Angie


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Wanna hear more demos?
Date: 22 Jan 1998 00:53:55 EST


re:  Daniele and his amazing earphone trick....

was this BEFORE or AFTER you discovered fire?

*good-naturedly ducking*

Char(ijustKNOWi'mgonnaburninhellfor*THAT*one!)lotte  ;)


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) OOPS!
Date: 22 Jan 1998 01:01:02 EST


hello again:)

to elaborate more on my smart-alecky answer just a few min. ago, this is
obviously not news to me (or some others!), as i used to listen to my old
duran duran and depeche mode albums that way....also, if you're lucky enough
to have a stereo system with both 'stereo' and 'mono' capabilities, selecting
'mono'  will produce the same effect (VERY nice results with old Berlin!)

toodles,
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From: James <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Long time fan.....
Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:38:38 -0800


This is my first post. I am more of a reader than a writer, but here
goes....
    My name is James. I am 30 year old Southern Californian. Being a fan of
MWH since 1980-81 and pre-dating the Rhythm of Youth release, I would
consider myself one of the true old timers. I was lucky enough to get
exposed to the Folk of the 80's 10" (still have it!) and have been
listening ever since. I first joined the mailing list about 2 years ago,
dropped off, then came back to find all these bootlegs ect. floating
around. That will teach me to not drop off again!
    Some of the more prized MWH items include the 10" of course, the Safety
Dance picture disk 45 and the ROY picture disk LP. I would like to know
some of the items that others on the list prize most. By the way, any
ideas out there on the total number of that first 10" pressed??? I have
yet to find one again. But I would guess it can be found in the northern
USA and of course in Canada.
    Well, that's about all I guess. I am married, no children. I am a
record freak, having several thousand, ranging from 78's to CD's and
Country/Bluegrass to Punk. MWH are just one spoke in the wheel of my
likes, but they hold a special place. I was just 14 when I got my first
listen to "utter space" and it opened up my world to much of the music I
enjoy today. Glad to see this group rolling along and hope it continues
to have the interest to put out the Boot's and keep the Hats alive!


                        James


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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ivan performances
Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:40:00 -0500 (EST)


Hello to all,

being new to the list, I wanted to state that I am in no way and expert on
MWH, but I did want to comment on the Ivan coffee house pen-name
performances rumored to take place in Boston.  I have heard similar rumors
similar to the boston thing, such as, a seattle coffee house gig under the
same pen-name.  I heard this from an aquaintence of mine, someone whom I
no longer know nor trust, but that is a different story, that Ivan was
performing right next door to a seattle club that had Pearl Jam playing
that night.  The rumor goes on to say that Ivan packed his coffee house,
and Pearl Jam was standing outside trying to give away free tickets, no
one was accepting.  OF course I can only assume that this took place
before pearl jam became a household name.  Again, it's only a rumor, so I
wouldn't place my bets on any truth.

Nathan




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From: Col & Neen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats list rolecall
Date: 22 Jan 1998 13:54:01 -0000


Hi Nick - Thought I'd be the first of the British contingent to welcome you
to the list.  My name's Colin.  I'm 28 and live in England about 30 miles
south of London.  I am am a computer operations supervisor.  I have 2 cats
and have been married for two years to a non-hatter but I'm slowly wearing
her down - she really likes The Spell!
I have been into MWH since 82/83 when a friend played me his 12" of Safety
Dance.  So began my crusade of souring second hand record shops and such
like to boost my collection.  MWH wares are REALLY scarce over here.  Before
discovering the internet and this list especially, I had all but given up
ever hearing another Hats tune.  Now I have all the albums on CD x'cept
FOT80's and also have ROY on vinyl plus several 12"s.  Anyway, hope you
enjoy your time on this list - even the bickering makes good reading most of
the time!
Col



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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) OOPS!
Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:31:04 EST


In a message dated 98-01-22 01:02:20 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> also, if you're lucky enough
>  to have a stereo system with both 'stereo' and 'mono' capabilities,
> selecting
>  'mono'  will produce the same effect (VERY nice results with old Berlin!)
>
at least that was the case with my brother-in-law's stereo at the time:/

-C-


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stereo-to-mono
Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:22:00 +0100


>> also, if you're lucky enough
>>  to have a stereo system with both 'stereo' and 'mono' capabilities,
>> selecting
>>  'mono'  will produce the same effect (VERY nice results with old Berlin!)
>>
>at least that was the case with my brother-in-law's stereo at the time:/
>
>-C-

just catching the tail end of this 'mono' stuff - what it is is that the
left and right channels are "out of phase" ie when the left has a
positive signal the right is negative so when they are added together (ie
changed from stereo to mono) some of the sound cancels itself out...
This, if the record is produced properly, shouldn't happen and is
therefore the product of some error in the recording process.  When
albums are edited/mixed in 'professional' recording studios you often see
the engineer checking the mono-compatability with a cheap speaker
somewhere, usually between the main speakers, or playing the rough mix on
a cheap-and-cheerful tape player...  Also most mixing desks have a 'phase
invert' switch on every channel so that if 2 tracks do cancel themselves
out you can correct the sound's phase.  A very useful tip to you all (if
you're ever in a recording studio that is!!).

This problem can also occur if you record a CD to tape with cables that
are wired up incorrectly, ie one of the stereo pair is back-to-front...

End of the lesson for today


Mike }:-)



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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) stop me if you heard this....
Date: 22 Jan 1998 17:00:07 -0500



>re:  Daniele and his amazing earphone trick....
>
>was this BEFORE or AFTER you discovered fire?
>
>*good-naturedly ducking*
>
>Char(ijustKNOWi'mgonnaburninhellfor*THAT*one!)lotte  ;)

Charlotte of Ark..... ;)

ok ok....so it's an old old trick dating back to the Flintstones :)  I
thought it would be an interesting thing for those who never heard of it
before.  But I have to admit, it's very interesting listening to songs like
that.  Now I have a hobby!  :D

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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ROY lp
Date: 22 Jan 1998 19:04:03 -0500


does anyone just happen to have an extra copy of ROY on vinyl that they
would be wiiling to part with for money if so please contact me
immediately

whit


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) it just doesn't sound the same
Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:36:21 +0000


Hi all,

Guess I have to share with all of you a magnific experience that occur
to me during last weekend. It was sunday, I was preparing to brush my
two cats. I had my walkman on, I Know Their Name, italian remix from the
soon to be released CD7, was playing loud and clear. As I was proceeding
in the direction of the bathroom the phone rang. My older cat is very
nervous, so he jumped betwwen my legs and I lost my equilibrium and
tried to regain balance by grabbing a nearby shelf. By doing that, I
only made a huge and almost full vaseline pot fall on my head from an
upper shelf. The put broke and the vaseline poured over my head,
covering it almost totally. Now I was not only losing my balance, but
also consciousness. So I fell to my knees, and then forward in direction
of the bath-tub. I didn't hurt myself (well...) because the bath was
full of water - I always take my bath after I brush the cats. I now had
the head, covered in vaseline and completly immerse in a body of water.
After coming to my sense, I realised my walkman was still playing
(aren't Sony great) and the music I was listening to sounded quite
different (go figure). The "MWH feel" was still there but there was
something else. I suddenly recognize it. I was hearing parts of "The
Spell", backward, with the bass almost cancelled and some extra back
vocals in chinese (female voice, almost Mitsou but two octaves lower).
Isn't it incredible! After 10 minutes it becomes even stranger (that is,
if you don't hold your breath). I repeated the experience with various
type of music. It's really nice, but a bit messy. If you want more
information on how to safely repeat this experience, e-mail me
privately.

Take care

Claude


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) it just doesn't sound the same
Date: 22 Jan 1998 23:43:19 -0500 (EST)


Claude!

I've been doing that for years.
It's like discovering fire all over again, ain't it?!

Glad tI am to know I'm not alone anymore!

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A Friend Of Mine (Out On The Dotted Line)
Date: 22 Jan 1998 01:27:10 -0500 (EST)


Subj:    RE: Hey!  Let's do one each!

Mr Myke!

>Hi all...
>
>After seeing this been done successfully by other list group I'm ready
>to try the experience with you. I will put out a Tribute to Men Without
>Hats CD. All the tracks will be performed by list members (a lot of us
>do play music) and will be Men Without Hats songs. If Ugo Bugg wants to
>submit one song backed by the Doroschuck bros, that's fine with me ;o)
>
>I will take care of legal aspects and will pay a license for all the
>songs used. The CD will be sold via Internet with a special price for
>list members. Several promo copies will be send to Ivan and family.
><PARTS DELETED>

I think we could do a song together or one each.  I would absolutely LOVE
to do either a remix or a cover of "Where Do the Boys Go?" as I never have
heard a remake of that song ever - It's also so completely high energy that
it lends itself prefectly to a techno/high energy/drum & bass style redux....

Let me know what you think.  I don't know if I would be allowed since I'm
not really a member of the list and I haven't had a chance to really get
involved, but it would be fun to do (and I could certainly handle the
mastering as well).

Let me know if you think I can be involved on this.  I would also be
willing to do the mastering FOR FREE on a project like this, especially
since Ivan would get a copy..

Let me know..

L8r...

-Sir Paul

P.S. Please copy and forward this to the list if you think that it is
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cover CD Things
Date: 22 Jan 1998 23:53:44 -0500 (EST)


Paul will apparently be sending me a CD-R of his own instrumental
version of "Where Do The Boys Go?".  I will then listen to it with
headphones on and sing my own vocals to it onto VHS HiFi.  He'll
then get my tape and will digitally record and overlay my vocal
tracks atop his original instrumental with his awesome PeeCee
and software, add some backing vocals of his own and produce a final
mix.  Kewl?

He's interested in mastering the whole disk if possible.
He does that kind of work on a professional level although
he'd volunteer his services gladly for this since Ivan will
be getting a copy as well.  It's a way he could finally thank
Ivan for all the great music down through the years.

I'd actually like to do a solo song too, if I can find the time.
My initial leanings are toward "Messiah's Die Young" and
/ or "Mother's Opinion" but that's just my gut instinct right now.

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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) stop me if you heard this....
Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:52:58 EST


In a message dated 98-01-22 16:58:07 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> >re:  Daniele and his amazing earphone trick....
>  >
>  >was this BEFORE or AFTER you discovered fire?
>  >
>  >*good-naturedly ducking*
>  >
>  >Char(ijustKNOWi'mgonnaburninhellfor*THAT*one!)lotte  ;)
>
>  Charlotte of Ark..... ;)
>
>  ok ok....so it's an old old trick dating back to the Flintstones :)  I
>  thought it would be an interesting thing for those who never heard of it
>  before.  But I have to admit, it's very interesting listening to songs like
>  that.  Now I have a hobby!  :D
>
hey...we kicked the flintstones' butt, pal!
;)


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Subject: Re: (hats) it just doesn't sound the same
Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:55:10 EST


In a message dated 98-01-23 00:10:32 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Claude!
>
>  I've been doing that for years.
>  It's like discovering fire all over again, ain't it?!
>
>  Glad tI am to know I'm not alone anymore!
>
>  Myke
>
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Subject: Re: (hats) it just doesn't sound the same
Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:57:26 EST


In a message dated 98-01-23 02:55:10 EST, HarpiChick writes:

> > Claude!
>  >
>  >  I've been doing that for years.
>  >  It's like discovering fire all over again, ain't it?!
>  >
>  >  Glad tI am to know I'm not alone anymore!
>  >
>  >  Myke
>  >
>  rofl!
that's all from the list martyr for today....back to my post..*ARGH!*


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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorites songs
Date: 23 Jan 1998 10:23:08 -0500


Greetings hatters,
    it has come to my attention via the rush of bios i have been
recieving from the list we have some new members. this gave me the idea
to take a pole of everybodies favorite MWH song so that what i'm gonna
do. please e-mail me with your favorite three songs in ranked order.
your number one pick gets three points, #2 gets teo points and the #3
get a point. please respond as quickly as possible.
    also can any one tell me about how many people are on the list
so i can have an idea when every one has submitted.

thanks
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A Friend Of Mine (Out On The Dotted Line)
Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:54:09 -0500


I once had an idea of everyone on a mailing list contributing to a cover.
for example, one person plays the piano, records it and mails the tape to
someone who plays the guitar.  That person records it and mails it to
someoen who is playing the drums, and so on.  One person (or morE) can do
the mixing.  A bit far fetched I guess, but fun to think about! :)

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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorite song
Date: 23 Jan 1998 13:26:33 -0500


ivan's solo work does count

whit


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A Friend Of Mine (Out On The Dotted Line)
Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:26:45 +0100


>I once had an idea of everyone on a mailing list contributing to a cover.
>for example, one person plays the piano, records it and mails the tape to
>someone who plays the guitar.  That person records it and mails it to
>someoen who is playing the drums, and so on.  One person (or morE) can do
>the mixing.  A bit far fetched I guess, but fun to think about! :)
a possibility using sequencers etc but a bit of a nightmare otherwise!!!
Maybe we should bat this about a bit more!

}:-)
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Cover CD Things
Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:26:42 +0100


> PeeCee and software
nah - get a Macintosh and do it properly!!!

}:-)
Mike
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorites songs
Date: 23 Jan 1998 13:51:21 -0700 (MST)


>     also can any one tell me about how many people are on the list
> so i can have an idea when every one has submitted.

There are around 200 people on the list.

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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorite songs
Date: 23 Jan 1998 17:54:05 -0500


i would like a volenteer to help me double check my figures if any one
is interested contact me post haste

whit


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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) in the spirt of surveys
Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:05:39 -0500 (EST)


    In the spirit of surveys, since we've got the list of best
songs... I am attempting to compile the best MWH line from a song.  Email
me with your favorite line from a MWH song, and we'll see what the top ten
favorite lines are.  It's more busy work for all you hat fans... so let's
get crackin'!

n.d.s.


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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A Friend Of Mine (Out On The Dotted Line)
Date: 23 Jan 1998 15:48:15 -0800


If you guys need some vocals, I'd like to help.

Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org
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Security, everyone feels better with...


>
>>I once had an idea of everyone on a mailing list contributing to a
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) stuff
Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:04:08 +0100


>If you guys need some vocals, I'd like to help.
>
>Aaron Gitlin
right, so we have a digital studio, a vocalist, several synths.... what
else do we need??

}:-)
Mike
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From: "Alex" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) second try (whitout MIME)
Date: 24 Jan 1998 14:12:14 +0100


> Hello channel, how are you doing?  =20
>
> First of all, I am writing from Spain, and my english is not very good, =
> but if you prefer I can write it in spanish... ;-))
>
> I would like to know where can I get all those Cds that you are talking =
> of, I am very interested, I get the video last year, and it's fantastic.
>
> Please, reply me, I would like to buy all the Cds, (I think that they =
> are 6, no?)
>
> Is very difficult to get MWH music here in Spain, and I buy it from =
> Internet.
>
> Thank you very much,.
>
> Alex
>
> [e-mail]
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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Favorite Line from MWH song update
Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:44:02 -0500 (EST)



Of course, Ivan songs do not count... I'm just looking for your favorite
line from a MWH song.  Thank you to all who have replied so far, I know
there are a lot of you who have still not responded, so let's get
crackin'!  Not to spoil a suprise, but the survey is leaning towards two
lines from the album FOTE part III.  Can you imagine what they are?  Also,
use survey guys were wondering if anyone had IVAN's email address, or
means of contacting him?  We'd like to pass on the results....

Thanks to all,

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From: senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Album cover art complete
Date: 24 Jan 1998 16:52:51 -0700


Hi all,

Just letting you know I've completed phase one of the cover art gallery
for MWH.  This includes all albums and EP's released by them, including
FOTE and Ivan's "The Spell".  All are 600 X 600 pixels but I've done my
best to keep each one under 200kB without sacrificing too much quality.
The next phase will be the 12" singles and 45's.

The site is located at....
http://www.nucleus.com/~senz/MWH/MWH.htm

ps.  Welcome all you new hatters.  :)    200 hatless humans is becoming
impressive!  The list has almost doubled since I joined 2 years ago.  It
seems we are succeeding in spreading the word!

Keep it up, list!

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) introduction
Date: 24 Jan 1998 19:05:41 -0500


Hello all,
Sorry but I have been so busy this week.

My name is Tom Norman.  I am 26 years old and was born in New Orleans, La.
I first heard Safety Dance in '85 (New Orleans is slow) and didn't like it.

I saw a really modern neat video on MTV around '88 and said "what's that!"
It was Men Without Hats " Pop Goes the World".  I liked this one alot.  One
of the few songs that I liked on the first listen in fact.   I decided to
try and find the ROY CD that I saw in a record store a few years back, but
by 1989 it had been sold of course.  In '85, I saw the ROY CD on display,
"CDs are here!" and remember laughing because what kind of a fool would pay
$45 for a CD.
I didn't realize how good CDs were yet, and didn't realize what an "import"
was yet.
By '89, the joke was on me, cause I couldn't find it.  Luckily, I grabbed a
used copy of Pop Goes the World, got a new In the 21st CD, and found a used
ROY album.  As soon as I heard Antactica and I Like, I said "WOW".  Too bad
safety dance isn't that good (flame away here).
     After going back into the record store one day, I was amazed to find
another white MWH album (folkIII).  The guy in the store said, listen to
this one, its even better than the yellow one, and I agreed after taking it
home.
At that point, I know their name, became my favorite hats song.
by '91 or '92 I got on the GENIE hats topic followed by the mailing list
here.
    I remember posting 100 times about how to find the ROY and FOLK CDs.
I also remember being really upset that the list members would not give me
a video copy of the Much Music hats spotlight.   I decided around that time
that If the list members ever gained my trust, I would BE SURE to share
copies of stuff with other new members.  I also made a promise to GRAB
anything hats that I saw, if not for me then for other list members.

By the way, I am one of the guys doing fan CDs and videotapes, we have 2
new people. :-)

So if you read my story, you will understand that I will be sure to make
sure that everyone has all the deleted hats stuff they want, because "I
feel your pain".  I was in your shoes in '91.

With that said,
presently, I am working on more copies of 1,2,3,5 at the moment.  I know
that some of you (and new guys) still don't have all the boot CDs yet.
Give me some more time, I haven't quit yet.
     And 4,6,7 are on the way shortly.
If you are worried that you won't get CDs, remember, the more backup copies
we make for other listmembers, the better chance that you will get a copy
eventually.  If it was up to me, I would have them in your hands now, I
know how you feel.
Its nice to see the list jumping again.

Oh yeah!   Greg Sampson, I haven't forgotten about you, I will make your
CDs next, you have been waiting the longest now.


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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats stuff
Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:50:10 EST


Hi!!!

Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.  they are different of the
original.

May be we could put on bootleg

Ciao

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From: Chris Dalton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Different Safety Dance on UK ROY
Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:06:36 GMT


Greetings Hatters.

Everyone seems to be introducing themselves, so I'll do likewise.  I'm 29,
married, childless.  I live in San Jose, California.  I write code for a
living.  No programs you've heard of, unless you're into influence diagrams
or decision trees.

I've been listing to men w/o hats since those heady days of the early 80's
when you could hardly turn on MTV without seeing that safety dance video
(all I remember is wrapping ribbons around a pole).  As soon as I got the
album I realized that safety dance was at best par among their other songs,
and became a fan.  Ironically, I don't like to dance.

I play keyboards in a casual garage band.  I've been trying to get the
band to play safety dance for years, but the other members don't share my
taste ("It's Junior High Bubble Gum Rock" -- maybe so, but it sure is
good).  The band consists of a lead singer, a bassist, a drummer, a
keyboardist (me) and four (4) guitarists.  It has an institutional bias
toward "three chord rock" songs, especially those with many guitar solos.

My favorite hats song is "Things in My Life".  My hat-oriented friends and
I celebrate the 14th of november.  I think of the first four full length
albums (I don't have sideways -- need to start harassing my canadian
friends) as being almost equally good, although if I had to choose a
favorite it would be folk of the 80s pt III.

This is probably a faq, but I haven't seen it discussed in the few months
I've been reading this list so here goes.  How many versions of safety
dance were released?  I know there is the version on ROY that became
popular in the US, the similar extended dance version, and at least one
other.

I have two copies of ROY on vinyl.  One is "1983 Backstreet Records"
(USA), and the other is "1982 Statik Records" (UK).  The two records are
about 90% alike (the UK version has living in china instead of antarctica,
and a slightly more colorful cover).  Safety dance on the UK record is
much shorter (2:44 rather than 4:32, acording to the labels) and in my
opinion much better.  It doesn't spell out the word safety, it lacks that
two c's an octave apart keyboard riff, and it has some melodic parts that
are either not present on the US version or are mixed real soft.  Whereas
the US version seems dominated by bass and percussion, the UK version is
more balanced between instruments and perhaps less dancable.

I originally bought the UK import largely because my US ROY was worn out
(played too many times on a turntable with a heavy arm and a lousy
needle).  The different version of safety dance was a bonus.

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A thought of the day
Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:02:52 -0500 (EST)



Hatless People,

Thought of the day:  Who do you suppose Ivan cheered on during the
superbowl.  I have a feeling it was the Broncos.  In my opinion, I could
see Ivan wanting the underdog to win.

More stupid, unimportant thoughts to come,

Nathan




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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic
Date: 25 Jan 1998 18:33:54 -0500


Muchmusic has been showing 80s videos all weekend.  Around 5:15 pm Toronto
time, they showed an interview which isn't on the tape between Ivan and
Erica Ehem.  They were talking about how Ivan came up the idea for the song.
I think it will be rerun at around midnight, so for those of you who get
MuchMusic, tape it!


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From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Short Bio
Date: 25 Jan 1998 12:16:14 -0500


My name is Alain, from Montreal, Qc. 28. I've been a pleased listener of MWH
since the beginning in the early '80s. I played music for a long time, mainly
saxophone, but also keyboards, where MWH definitely had a strong influence.
Now I gave it up, using my spare time on my other hobby, photography.

I have a master degree in Communication Sciences, specialized in multimedia
stuff. Since 1995, I am working at the Computer Research Institute of Montreal
in the human-computer interaction field.

Voila!

Al.


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Reservations
Date: 26 Jan 1998 15:35:23 -0500 (EST)


Hey Claude!

Please reserve two MWH songs for me to attempt to record for the fansmade
covers CD:

1) Ban the Game

    and

2) Life After Diamond Head

Paul has also apparently decided against making another version of
"Where Do The Boys Go?" since there are already two other versions of
it already in existence - made by whom?

He's currently looking into "Mother's Opinion" and "Messiahs Die Young"
and it appears that "Messiahs..." at this time is the one he prefers.

Myke


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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell
Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:05:22 -0500 (EST)


    I found an article that I'm sure you have all read, cocerning the
press release of The Spell.  Paul Cantin wrote it for the Ottawa Sun.  In
the article, it mentions that between sideways and the spell, Ivan did a
lot of work with -French Grunge, French Jazz, and a project entitled UFO's
Are Real.-  Although the article says that this stuff never saw the light,
I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of any copies of this stuff
seeping through to the public's hands?  Can anyone help me?

Thanks,

Nathan




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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats stuff
Date: 25 Jan 1998 10:09:33 +0100


>Hi!!!
>
>Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.  they are different of the
>original.
>
>May be we could put on bootleg
>
>Ciao
>
>Francis
my first reaction would be 'no' as they're still available from Tox so
what we would be doing is _definately_ illegal.  For stuff that aint
available I can see no problems, but stuff that you can still buy I do
have a problem with (apart from the Mitsou stuff!!)...

};-)
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From: "Eric Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oasis & T-Shirt
Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:37:08 PST


Hey all-
First of all, no computer yet so, Hotmail is still in effect.  Please
disregard any ADs that they may attach to this.  ANYWAY, I won tickets
to Oasis in S.F. tonight.  I don't really care for them, but the price
was right.  I am going to wear my Hats T-Shirt and I will let you guys
know if I get any feedback although the dumb 13 year-olds who will be
there will have no idea that I am wearing a T-Shirt from the best band
EVER.
-Eric

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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) My daughter
Date: 25 Jan 1998 11:46:05 EST


I'm surprise, and I'm touch!

I received a lot of good words from you!  My daughter Tania will be operated
in March.  She has a "Spina bifida".  It's a malformation in her back.

She is 6 months old.


Once again, thank you!  Me and my wife  really appreciate!

Francis


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell
Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:11:24 -0500




----------
> From: Tom Norman <[e-mail]>
> To: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (hats) Between Sideways and Spell
> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:58 PM
>
>
> >     I found an article that I'm sure you have all read, cocerning the
> > press release of The Spell.  Paul Cantin wrote it for the Ottawa Sun.
In
> > the article, it mentions that between sideways and the spell, Ivan did
a
> > lot of work with -French Grunge, French Jazz, and a project entitled
> UFO's
> > Are Real.-  Although the article says that this stuff never saw the
> light,
> > I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of any copies of this
stuff
> > seeping through to the public's hands?  Can anyone help me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nathan
>
> To add to what Nathan said.....
> Which album is "Heaven" from?  (Spectrum concert)
>
> Is that one of the Pop demos?
>
> And has ANYONE heard Heaven 17, Ivan's very first band?
> Was there ever a 7" record of this in Montreal or a tape?
> This would be really cool to listen to.
>
> Last question:
>
> I heard that some of you attended HAts concerts in the very very
beginning,
> from your introductions.  My question is , What set did they play in
97-80?
> I know they had to play more than the 4 Folk1 songs.  Could they have
> played the ROY demo material way back then (remember BAn the Game in
> Spectrum concert).  And could they have played different Heaven 17 songs
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic
Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:12:11 -0500


> > Muchmusic has been showing 80s videos all weekend.  Around 5:15 pm
> Toronto
> > time, they showed an interview which isn't on the tape between Ivan and
> > Erica Ehem.  They were talking about how Ivan came up the idea for the
> song.
> > I think it will be rerun at around midnight, so for those of you who
get
> > MuchMusic, tape it!
>
> Dang it!
> Much Music USA is different from the "real" Much Music in Canada.
>
> For those of you in the USA who have a DSS or full sized dish, you are
> stuck with the USA version.  The Much Music canada feed is digitally
> scrambled to the teeth, and the only to get it is to be IN Canada with a
> Canadian receiver.
>
> Also if you have Much on cable in USA, it is the US version.  Everyone on
> the list should know that the USA version, does NOT repeat its
programming
> at night.
>
> Instead, they run infomercials.   So Danielle, and other Canadians, if
you
> catch something cool on Much, your American friends cant tape it on the
> next 8 hour run.  IT only shows once on the USA version. :-(
> So please tape for us less fortunate Americans.

Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Open Your Eyes
Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:56:32 -0500 (EST)


    You can still get the Open Your Eyes' remixes? How? Do you just
e-mail tox?

Mike and somebody said:
> >Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.

they're still available from Tox

> Mike



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I guess I'll go.
Date: 26 Jan 1998 12:54:56 -0500 (EST)


    I didn't really read everyone's bio in depth so I don't expect you
to either. So I'll make mine short.
    I go to Ithaca College and I'm a freshman.
    19 yrs. old
    Listening to MWH since 3rd grade
    I'm going up to Montreal for spring break possibly and was
wondering if anybody up there would like to shelter me for a day or two.
    I got about 10 people into MWH up here at school.
    Their favorites are "Things in my Life" bootleg, Security, I Got
the Message, Open Your Eyes, 1972, S.O.S., You and Me, and Pop Goes the
World.
    Bye
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From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Private show.
Date: 25 Jan 1998 20:05:39 EST


Hi gang.

As far I'm concern, I'm taking care of  Ivan's private show.  The last news I
got from Pierre Gendron is he has to finish the tour with a band called
DUBMATIQUE.  After that, we talk about our show in June.

Now, if some of you are not on my side, I rather you tell me RIGHT NOW,
because we have to work together for this show.

If you want someone else to take care of this show, PLEASE leave me a message.

Thank you

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Favorite MWH Line
Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0500 (EST)


    I don't want to be a messiah, I just want to have fun!



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From: [e-mail] (jon masciana)
Subject: Re: (hats) Open your eyes remixes
Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:03:24 -0800 (PST)


>>Hi!!!
>>
>>Yes there is 2 or 3 remixes of Open your eyes.  they are different of the
>>original.
>>
>>May be we could put on bootleg
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>Francis
>my first reaction would be 'no' as they're still available from Tox so
>what we would be doing is _definately_ illegal.  For stuff that aint
>available I can see no problems, but stuff that you can still buy I do
>have a problem with (apart from the Mitsou stuff!!)...

I definitely want to order a copy of the Open Your Eyes remixes--does Tox
Records still offer copies, otherwise, can someone slap them on cdr?

Thanks!

Jon





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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Favorite Line from MWH
Date: 25 Jan 1998 09:59:38 +0100


>I'm just looking for your favorite
>line from a MWH song.
my fav is quite simple - its taken from the 12" of Safety Dance I think
it was...

     "you can dance if you want"

...Well, I like it anyway and I feel it sums most thinsg up quite nicely
- either sit down and be boring or get up and do something!

}:-)
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From: senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Private show.
Date: 26 Jan 1998 22:00:07 -0700


> Hi gang.
>
> As far I'm concern, I'm taking care of  Ivan's private show.

> Now, if some of you are not on my side, I rather you tell me RIGHT NOW,


I'm standing on the left side/right side which is the nice side now     :)

Senz




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Private show.
Date: 26 Jan 1998 22:53:58 -0500 (EST)


    DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE IVAN IS TOURING NOW?
    IF SO, COULD THEY POST IT?

collin



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From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) more than you want to know about Heaven 17
Date: 27 Jan 1998 08:03:19 +0000



> > And has ANYONE heard Heaven 17, Ivan's very first band?
> > Was there ever a 7" record of this in Montreal or a tape?
> > This would be really cool to listen to.

The ONLY Heaven 17 I know is the (late 70s) and 80s band (who are
still together) who did a lot of dance music.  They're Brits.  Before
they were Heaven 17, they were British Electric Foundation (B.E.F.)
Their first singers included Adi Newton (who left to form Clock DVA) and
then there was Phil Oakey (now of the Human League).  Since the first lp,
the band has consisted of three members; Martyn Ware, Ian Craig Marsh,
and Glenn Gregory, who has been the lead singer ever since.  The same
guys, calling themselves B.E.F. did a lot of production work in the
early 80s, but I can't think of Ivan ever working with them.  My
brother (who is a huge fan of H17) and I were in their fan club for
years (throughout the 80s) and we corresponded with the guys (very,
very nice folks) for a long time.  They even sent us a picture of
themselves with a picture of us and our dog!  Well, it was cute at
the time.

I hope this helps.  Does anyone know of Ivan ever working with H17?
If so, please let me know and I'll see what I can find out from H17.
I haven't mailed them in years.

Sorry about the nonIvan content.


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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven 17 and Ivan
Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:58:17 -0500


In response to Trena's email concerning 'Heaven 17' and Ivan, Ivan was in a
band with the same name as its more famous British counterpart.  As far as
I know, Ivan never worked with the British 'Heaven 17' and I don't think
anything exists (on tape) of any of Ivan's 'Heaven 17' work.  Alas...

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) BioPlus
Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:02:35 -0500 (EST)


Hey!

I'm sitting here at work today listening to "Sideways" with my Discman
and I just felt compelled to write everyone  and tell 'em how much
I think "Everybody Wants To Know" is a superb song!

And my bio is already online at my website (so I don't have to keep
repeating the same story over and over! <G>).

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/mylife.htm
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/ymphony.htm   (an explanation of my art)
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm    (hats concert pix! (1988))

If you're looking to get a copy of the Hats video or CDs (all made by
fans on this list), email me.  I can't yet burn CDs but I can put
all of what's currently available onto two VHS HiFi videotapes for ya.
NTSC-format only (Sorry PALs!)

Tony, your video is in the mail as I type.  Be expecting it around
Wednesday or Thursday.

Myke


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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Security/Gravity
Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:11:31 -0800


I was listening to Security today and had a wqeird idea.  Could "Gravity" be
a demo or predecessor to "Security"?  Think about it, both are sung in the
same tone with the same perspective.   I am prolly wrong, but it is an
interesting observation.

Aaron Gitlin
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From: senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Security/Gravity
Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:49:55 -0700




Kajjia Goria wrote:

> I was listening to Security today and had a wqeird idea.  Could "Gravity" be
> a demo or predecessor to "Security"?  Think about it, both are sung in the
> same tone with the same perspective.   I am prolly wrong, but it is an
> interesting observation.

It's not that wqeird Aaron!  The spoken verses are definately similar to
Security.  (Not to mention the subject of being insecure with a persons own
personality) It's my guess that Ivan decided Gravity didn't quite express his
idea clearly enough and reworked it into Security.  (a thing I had to do a few
times throughout my own songwriting.)

So far, out of the demos, I like "Rhythm of Youth" and "Treblinka" the most.
Rhythm seems to be a transitional song between the style of FOTE and ROY.

Treblinka reminds me of David Bowies latest single "I'm Afraid Of Americans".
Both Treblinka and Bowie's song express a fear or concern of the mentality of US
culture.  And of course with the latest fasination concerning Clinton's
sexcapades rising to the point where it's impeding the nations business, you
certainly have to wonder who' running that country anyway... only in america!!
(flame away if you like)

btw my bio is in Claude's who's who page under "Steven Enz"

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Security/Gravity
Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:53:29 -0500


Steve wrote:
>It's my guess that Ivan decided Gravity didn't quite express his
>idea clearly enough and reworked it into Security.

That's my guess, too. Even before I paid attention to the lyrics, the
music sounded almost identical to me. I considered it more of a sister
song than a precursor, although Steve is probably right.

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IVAN the spell
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:35:00 -0500 (EST)



Hello to all,

I'm as happy as a clam!  Thanks to all that helped me find Ivan's new
album, the spell.  I just got it in the mail, and I just finished
listening to it for the first time.  very dancy! (is that a word?).  Also,
I wanted to do some self promotion also... I too am a "musician" that
writes Industrial/Techno music.  If anyone would like info on how to get
my latest release, email me (all you industial freaks out there, you know
you want it!).

Thanks again to all!

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From: Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bios...
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:45:21 -0500 (EST)


Well, let's see, I'm an over-20 year old almost done University
student/staff member.  Been listening to MWH since PGTW.  Bought
the cassette the day I heard PGTW for the first time in fact.  I
tend towards industrial and goth music, and host a show on the
local campus radio station (CFRC-FM) here in Kingston.  I actually
featured a MWH spotlight on a fill-in show over the X-Mas holidays,
so I guess that's my MWH link.  *grin*

Anyhow, for more information on me, fun web toys, and information
on my show, NIN, PWEI, or the Thrill Kill Kult, you can always go
and visit my homepage:
   http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/

My radio show's homepage is at:
   http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Music/Psychosis/

F.
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Erm... Yeah.  Whatever.



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From: "Colin McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) vintage Ivan interview on MuchMusic
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:09:28 PST



> Instead, they run infomercials.   So Danielle, and other Canadians,
>if you catch something cool on Much, your American friends cant tape
>it on the next 8 hour run.  IT only shows once on the USA version.
>:-( So please tape for us less fortunate Americans.

Hey all....  I got this interview clip on tape on Sunday.. they
announced Pop Goes the World was coming up after Dexy's Midnight
Runners... and then suddenly comes on a 1-2 minute interview clip of
Ivan sitting with the Bonhomme from the PGTW video.  Then they showed
the video.   If anyone really wants this interview clip (it's rather
short) just email me and we'll work something out. :)

This is my first post ever to the list.... just joined a month ago...
I've somewhat liked MWH for a long time (since Pop Goes the World).
I travelled to Montreal in December for a Duran Duran concert (my
favorite group) and was treated to a great opening act... Ivan! :)  I
bought "The Spell" the next day... and now here I am.    Brief info: My
name is Colin McLeod, 23 years old...I live in New Brunswick (Canada).
I guess that would be my introduction.

Colin

ps - I made an attempt to tape Ivan's performance (on audio) at the
concert in Montreal at the Metropolis....  it didn't turn out as good as
I hoped... but if any of you hardcore fans don't mind audience
recordings I can make copies.  He did an amazing version of PGTW! And
also a cover of Oasis' Wonderwall... also Safety Dance, Superbadgirls,
Open Your Eyes, and 1 or 2 other songs.  He was on stage for 30 minutes.
I wish my recording was better, but it's better than nothing.






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From: Bill Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bio+line
Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:18:31 -0800


30 years old.  Married.  No children. 3 cats, 2 ferrets. Own a small,
neighborhood pub in Cincinnati.  Been a MWH fan since day 1.  Fav line,
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favourite line?
Date: 27 Jan 1998 20:11:25 -0500


I don't know which is my most favourite but I always found "Walking in
Scotland through a forest in the rain" (I haven't listened to the song in a
while so I might have it mixed up).  I always thought this line was so
detailed.
Not only was I walking through the forest, but it was in Scotland AND it was
raining  :)

Others....

It's plain to see, life like a mystery to me....and I say it's plain as day....

Their mother buys them shoes where she gets them no one knows


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From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Open Your Eyes
Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:23:42 EST


In a message dated 98-01-26 21:28:53 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>     You can still get the Open Your Eyes' remixes? How? Do you just
>  e-mail tox?
>
E-mail??!?!?!
TOX??!?!???!
*roflmfao*


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From: "Wooldridge, Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Heaven 17 and Ivan
Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:48:00 +0000



 I read an interview with Heaven 17 not long after Temptation was a
 massive hit for them, in fact they were actually reviewing the records
of
 the week.


 One of these records was I Got The Message by you know who.


 One of them, Martin Ware I think, said "This band used be to be called


 Heaven 17 you know", to which Glenn Gregory replied "I wouldn`t have
 changed names to Men Without Hats!".  They didn`t like the single
either.


 So there you go - Men Without Hats came about because another group got


 to the name Heaven 17 first - both bands obviously liked A Clockwork
 Orange.
 This happened to a number of bands during the 80`s and is probably still


 going on all over the place.


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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) SURVEY FINALITIES
Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:22:58 -0500 (EST)



Well, to all of you who have taken part in my MWH favorite line survey, I
salute you (hats off to you all!).  I am now tallying up the results, and
will have the final #1 favorite line by either the end of the day, or
early tomorrow morning.  IF you haven't emailed me with your favorite line
from a MWH song, you still have a chance to do so, just make it snappy.
You might get lucky, and your vote might get here in time.

Take it easy,

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) H17, the Human League & Ivan
Date: 28 Jan 1998 18:08:53 +0100


>The ONLY Heaven 17 I know is the (late 70s) and 80s band (who are
>still together) who did a lot of dance music.  They're Brits.  Before
>they were Heaven 17, they were British Electric Foundation (B.E.F.)
>Their first singers included Adi Newton (who left to form Clock DVA) and
>then there was Phil Oakey (now of the Human League).  Since the first lp,
>the band has consisted of three members; Martyn Ware, Ian Craig Marsh,
>and Glenn Gregory, who has been the lead singer ever since.  The same
>guys, calling themselves B.E.F. did a lot of production work in the
>early 80s, but I can't think of Ivan ever working with them.
Heaven 17 were half of the Human League back in the early days - '78 -
before the League did Dare (yup - they actually did some great stuff
pre-Dare - Empire State Human/Being Boiled etc).  They also did loads of
work for others (as in the main text) and helped Tina Turner back on
track...  Never heard of any Ivan connection

BEF - a great label helping some great music get noticed...  OBTW their
last CD was OK actually, 'Bigger Than America" is pretty good...

}:-)
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From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the story of my life...
Date: 28 Jan 1998 16:08:22 +0000


Hi,

I'm Trena Brantley, the other chic on the IVAN video tape with Dr.
Laura, Dave, Tom, and Claude in Montreal.  I work with Laura, so when
the opportunity came for us to drive 17 hours one way to see Ivan
live in Montreal I said, "Cool, let's go."   One of the most humorous
moments on our trip occured at the lovely fondue restaurant we dined
in before the concert.  A lady of middle age years (I'm 31)
approached me cautiously as we all began to leave the restaurant.

In anticipation of the show, my brain was only still slightly connected
to my body after just having spent the afternoon talking to Ivan and
Colin and company and after seeing the great sound check.  The lady
asked me what my shirt meant, and I attempted to explain that we were
members of a fan club (so to speak) for a band called Men Without
Hats.  Like a silly goof, I thought she could put 2 and 2 together,
noting the symbols on the shirt.  No, I was wrong.  She shook her
head, "No."  Then I explained each symbol carefully one by one.  "It's
a man wearing a hat and a 'NO' symbol over top, see?"  "No," she
shook her head again.  Was I speaking some foreign language?  Was I
suddenly speaking in tongues at the thought of seeing Ivan perform on
stage again?  I repeated myself.  Obviously, some alien had taken
over my body.  "Well, what's that?" she asked, pointing to the head
outline on the shirt.  "It's a man," I said, repeating my above
statement again.  Again, she shook her head, not understanding, as
she wandered back to her table.

Perhaps there's an alien abduction story at the heart of this that
I may one day discover in deep hypnosis.  Perhaps this is an X-files
waiting to happen.

Aside from MWH and IVAN, I'm heavily into Japan, David Sylvian,
Jansen and Barbieri, Mick Karn, Peter Murphy/Bauhaus, China Crisis,
Chris Connelly, Peter Gabriel, Hall and Oates (don't tell anyone I
told you this), Icehouse, Killing Joke, Gary Numan, Talk Talk,
Ultravox, and Midge Ure to name the most important names in my
collection.

I love literature, especially Medieval (my master's thesis was on
Chaucer), Victorian, and (gasp) some science fiction, and I have an
unnatural love for Doctor Who (again, don't you tell anyone this).  : )
I also love creative writing and spend most of my life writing and
editing stuff--from boring technical manuals to my own atrocious
attempts at the great American novel.

Whew!!!  That's a lot about me.  I guess I'm saying a lot because I
usually lurk a lot and don't have a lot to say, but I'm still here
reading and looking forward to my next close encounter.  ; )

Trena


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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH CD's
Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:55:59 -0500


Hats' fans!  I've been seeing a proliferation of a couple of CD's in used
CD places near my house: "Sideways" and "The Adventures of Women and
Men...".  They are priced very low ($7.00 Cdn.), so if anyone out there is
having a tough time finding either one, send me an email and I'll see what
I can do for you.

Til next time,
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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) favorite songs
Date: 28 Jan 1998 18:39:22 -0500


after an over whelming 10 responses the current leaders in the favorite
song survey are
#1 ideas for walls(7)
#2 walk on water(5)
#3safety dance
where do the boys go
folk of the 80's
if you would like to add to these responses lpease write me back with
your top three MWH songs and remember we are going to try and give these
to ivan himself so hurry up with those song choices. first ten
responders get free e-mail courtesy of hot mail

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven17
Date: 28 Jan 1998 19:40:13 -0500


Everyone,

I meant Heaven 17 as in Ivan's first Montreal band in the late seventies.
Check out the text in the Greatest Hats CD, its mentioned in there.
I don't mean the English band Heaven 17, but they are not bad either.
:-)


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) short intro
Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:38:11 -0600


Since so many others are doing intros, I suppose I'll type a few lines
as well.

Cameron Campbell.  Natural Historian.  North American.  Have been a hats
fan since their early days.  Well, at least since "The Safety Dance"
made it's appearance.  I find the music of MWH to be exceptional in both
instrumentation and lyric.  The songs have real MEANING, and sound GREAT
too!  Other bands "I like":  Ultravox, Icehouse, Naked Eyes, Saga, The
Fixx, The Cars, Kraftwerk.  It is "the electronic sound" which most
interests me musically.

MWH has such an amazing quality of rhythm!  True art!  Very unique!
Favorite Song?  I just can't decide on any particular one!
"We can dance if we want to"  what a great philosophy!

Before I found this mailing list, the amount of MWH material I was able
to find was meager.  That's all changed now.  I am very grateful to all
those here who have helped me acquire so much that was otherwise " not
possible to get"!  THANKS

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FAVORITE LINE RESULTS!
Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:42:51 -0500 (EST)


To all you hat fans out there,

The results are in!  I had asked each and everyone of you to respond to me
with your favorite line from a MWH song.  With approx. 1/3 of you
responding, here are the results...

It sounds familiar but it doesn't sound the same....
was your number one favorite

honorable mention went to these three...
and the great ones remember
time is money, sell your watch today
why get in line if you don't want to wait?

thanks to all who participated, and shame on you for those who did not!
Don't forget to EMAIL WHIT with you top three favorite MWH songs.  He's
anxiously awaiting your responses!

And if anyone out there knows if IVAN or COLIN, or any hat member has an
email address, let me or whit know.  We'd like to send them the results.

Thanks again,

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From: "derek morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hi! I'm the new guy.
Date: 29 Jan 1998 19:34:41 PST


Hello. My name is Deric and I just subscribed to this list. I have am
new with computers (I stil play my atari 2600) but am a long time fan of
MWOH. I am 25 and have been listening to my numerous worn out copies of
ROY and FOTE for years. I could tell a million stories about how they
had impact on so many times in my life but I won't bore you.  I am so
glad to have found this list, that I may take back some of the awful
things I have said about computers. So now that I am here I have a
couple of questions that I'm sure you've heard before...

1. How can I get a copy of the new 2fer(I looked on every page in
goldmine magazine twice!)

2. How can I get copies of the fan made discs 1-7

3. I have a cd copy of FOTE and was wondering how many were produced?

Jeeze...for a new guy I sure talk alot and ask alot of questions!

Well thanx for listening and I look foward to talking to you all!

P.S. I am also a D.J. here in Florida spining only 80's new wave, and
every time I play the infamous Safety Dance it fills the floor like no
other.(Or damn close to no other!!!)

P.P.S. If you feel like talking I'm at [e-mail]

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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) favourite line?
Date: 29 Jan 1998 23:09:30 +0000


>Not only was I walking through the forest, but it was in Scotland AND it was
>raining  :)

Tell me about it. We don't have seasons in Scotland, just rain.

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bootleg CDs For Sale
Date: 30 Jan 1998 09:06:29 +0000


I have noticed a few people still wanting the CD-Bootlegs.
If you still want copies let me know. I currently have CDs 1,2,3,5 to
offer.

CDs will be $15 with Artwork $10 without Art work. (USA Funds)

If you are intrested send Check, Money Order, or Cash to

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From: Michael Bush <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bio- new member
Date: 30 Jan 1998 16:40:36 +0000


Hello!  My name is Mike.  I'm 29 and have recently rediscovered hats.
I loved the Safty Dance and PGTW etc. when they were released.  I
bought these albums after hearing these played on the air.  I hate to
admit it but outside of a very few tunes I did'nt much care for hats.
I thought Ivan had a terrible voice then.  Ok, Ok, I'll say it- Iwas
brainwashed by the "top 40".
About 7 years ago I got way into Bob Marley and I still have a great
passion for his and Ziggy's music (and a few other reggae artists).
Good reggae, however, is getting harder to come by and this brought
me back to hats.
I began searching for hats and realized quickly that this wasn't
easy.  When I began listening to hats again I realized there was an
immense artistic genius (I mean that) that in my younger years I had
completely overlooked.  I would now argue that Ivan has the greatest
voice this genre has ever witnessed.
But, enough about me!  Too much?  Anyway, I am desperately seeking
the "2fer" and if anyone could help me out I would be extremely
grateful.  Also, could someone explain to me what the bootlegs
contain?  They sound like something I wouldn't want to be without.

Thanks for hearing me out!

 P.S.-  If you're interested in reaching me,  I''m
at:   [e-mail]
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) boot CD info
Date: 30 Jan 1998 19:31:42 -0500


> But, enough about me!  Too much?  Anyway, I am desperately seeking
> the "2fer" and if anyone could help me out I would be extremely
> grateful.  Also, could someone explain to me what the bootlegs
> contain?  They sound like something I wouldn't want to be without.

CD#1 - Freeways - cassette + Pop (remix) + Moon (remix)
CD#2 - Spectrum - concert (1985 Montreal concert)
CD#3 - Toronto - concert (1983 CFNY radio broadcast)
CD#4 - BBC live LP - 6 songs (from 1984 WDTBG tour) + Winnebago song (20min
-                               [sounds like Ou sont mes men])
                                  -- in progress--

CD#5 - MWH Demos - Roy demo tape + Folk III Rehearsal tape (earliest
session)
CD#6 - in progress
CD#7 - in progress

OK thats it.

everything is very good near CD quality.   except CD#3 which needs Dolby A
NR decoding, therefore it has a little tape hiss.   Can anyone do this?

OK thats all the CDs.

I will try and make some more this week.

In the meantime, Richard Holdman is taking over for a bit.  By the way, for
complete track lists of the 4 CDs that are already done, check out the MWH
MP3 site.   If you have an MP3 player (WinAmp, MacAmp) you can actually
listen to a few of the songs.  Then you can determine how good the quality
is of each for yourself.

http://www.holdman.com/mwh/

enjoy!

I will let all of you know as soon as I receive CDs 4,6,7

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From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) mp3s
Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:37:52 -0800


I went to the MP3 site, but I couldn't find the songs for CD#4.  Have they
been put up yet???

Aaron Gitlin
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From: Col & Neen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Just thought I'd ask
Date: 31 Jan 1998 10:55:39 -0000


I've just been listening to the various versions of freeways and was
wondering if the lyrics are the same in all three languages.  From my
limited grasp of french (at least I think it's french!) it doesn't seem to
be the case.  Does anyone know if they are the same, and if not, would
anyone have an idea what the english translations would be?
Just thought I'd ask.

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From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Spell
Date: 31 Jan 1998 15:12:04 -0500 (EST)


Question... does anyone know exactly if the spell was written all at once,
or were bits and pieces recorded over the period of five years since the
last MWH stuff?  I was just pondering this... and thought one of you fine
hat fans might know the answer.

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From: "Colin McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) test
Date: 31 Jan 1998 12:24:06 PST


testing...please ignore

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From: "Colin McLeod" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Promo CD singles  & concert tape
Date: 31 Jan 1998 12:44:29 PST




Hello everyone!

I was cleaning out some old boxes last night in my room and I came
accross a couple of items that may be of interest to some people on this
list!  A couple of Canadian  1 trk. promo CD singles from 1991.


The first one:
   Sideways  4:58
   CDP 482   (Polygram Records of Canada Inc.)
   Promotional Copy

The second one:
   In the Meadow 3:40
   PCD 127   (Polygram Records of Canada Inc.)
   This one is stated as "Radio Copy", not Promotional Copy

I checked them out in the discography... the second one doesn't seem to
be listed at all, and the first one is listed without the catalog
number.

I no longer want either of these items.    I'm willing to trade if
anyone has access to any Duran Duran promo CDs.  Or there's a couple if
MWH items I have always wanted (but cannot locate in this city I live in
on the eastern side of Canada): the 12" singles for Pop Goes the World
and Moonbeam.

If I can't trade these items off, I will auction them.  Please write if
anyone is interested in trading or buying them.  I would rather trade,
but I realise that the stuff I want may not be find-able (I couldn't
think of a better word....).


And another thing... a number of people wrote me about the Ivan concert
I recorded in Montreal last month (opening for Duran Duran).
I think I have written most of you back, but I listened to the tape
again last night, and I just wanted to remind everyone that it's only an
audience tape and is FAR from professional quality.  But it still has
that totally amazing version of PGTW on there... wow!

Thanks!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) My Low-Impact Introduction
Date: 31 Jan 1998 22:42:03 EST


Hey listfolk!

My name is Steve, and I've been on numerous mailing lists, but this is the
only one remaining because the level of discussion has remained civil and
interesting, and the other hatfans have been incredible about bringing about
videotapes and CD's of otherwise unavailable material.  Hats off to you all!
(Oh man, does that sound stupid...)

I am a 29-year-old math teacher who is expecting his first child in less than
three weeks.  And if that's not exciting, I don't know what is.

On the music front, my wife and I were just discussing what our all-time top
10 bands are, and of course MWH was one of mine.  For those who might be
interested, the others are:  The Icicle Works, The Chameleons, Blue Rodeo,
Talk Talk, Pink Floyd, Indochine, R.E.M. and Game Theory/The Loud Family.
Depending on how you count the last two, that's either 9 or 10.  (And the list
is approximately in order of importance.)

The truly amazing thing is that I would rather listen to songs I hated in the
80's ("Missing You" by John Waite, for example, or just about anything by
Prince) than the stuff which is popular now.  When I was in high school, I
thought I would always be 'cutting edge' with regards to music.  What a laugh.
I'm going to be one of those old guys who tells their grandkids that "they've
never made music as good as they did in the 80's".

--Swahili Steve

p.s.  I'm looking for someone in the UK who'd be interested in trading CD's.
I really need the new Mark Hollis album, and I'd be happy to exchange some US
disc that someone can't get a hold of.

p.p.s.  Is anyone on the list a northern Californian who has the ability to
burn CD's from vinyl?  I'd like to do that, just for myself.  (Unless there's
another closet Icicle Works fanatic out there...)


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) boot CD info
Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:33:17 -0800 (PST)



I also have agreed to help with the cd production.

dave
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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Boots of 6,7,8
Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:54:55 +0000


I talked with Tom about boots CD 6,7,8 and I will be offering them
when I get them. Hopfully I will have them all in the next 3 weeks. I
will also be making a CD-ROM with all 8 Cds in mp3 format. So you
will be able to order each audio CD if you want to or you can just
order the cd-rom with all 8 cds on it in mp3 format.

The Cd-rom will also have some music videos on it including the
latest VH1 pop up video of Safety Dance. There will also be pictures
and whatever else I can find on the net (midi files, etc.) I will
also be making some cool seemless wallpaper for your desktop. :)

If you have any other suggestions plese let me know. A CD-ROM can
hold 650 megs and all 8 bootleg cds in mp3 format will take about
400megs so that leaves 250megs for videos, pictures, midi files,
whatever.

Please dont email me yet with orders for  cds you want. When the CDs
are available I will let you all know. I do want to know though how
many people really want the CD-rom with all the bootlegs on one disc.
I want to make sure enough people want it before I spend all the time
making a semi-interactive HTML CD.

Thanks goes out to Tom for making these CDs available and everyone
else that is involved with the project.

-Richard


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