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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Survey
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:19:01 -0400 (EDT)


    I thought the survey was very well done. I'm new to this list but
I sense a great deal of hostility. Why is everybody so upset?

Collin



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (hats) Survey silliness
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:22:26 -0400 (EDT)


I must say I'm quite pleased that someone brought this up! Mw/oH and SoM have
long been my two favorite bands. Those folks who cubbyhole by label can't
catch the similarities -- say the Men are "technopop" and the Sisters are
"gothic."  But I played "Corrosion" for a friend from Antrim right after a
barrage of Men, and he was surprised when I told him it was a different band!
Thought it was just a "different phase" (I mean, is "Vision Thing" further
removed from ROY than "Sideways?")

What I like about them both is that neither throws a message at you -- just a
perfect blend of sound and poetry which somehow, in the end, just
incorporates itself right into the listener's philosophy. And hey -- I like
"Sideways" too. I'd hate to think any of us would ever begrudge an artist the
right to experiment!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT)


    Claude,
    Do you know when The Spell will go in concert?
    I'm Collin, by the way.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (hats) Hey Men
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:29:26 -0400 (EDT)


"Orm-ways" is Pig-Latin for Worms...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Concert
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:38:58 -0400 (EDT)


    Is this concert limited to certain members? I would love to go and
I have both the local (upstate NY) and the time to go. I've been a fan for
over 5 years now. I'm 18 now so since I just turned a teenager, I've been
listening. Useless info but everybody else seems to know each other here
so I figured I'd throw it out. I go to Ithaca College as well so if any
kind of editing of tapes or sound is needed, I have the capabilities and I
am a TVR (Television-Radio) major...
    Collin



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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re:  (hats) you didn't get the message
Date: 01 Oct 1997 01:38:41 -0700


>What I like about them both is that neither throws a message at you -- just a
>perfect blend of sound and poetry which somehow, in the end, just
>incorporates itself right into the listener's philosophy.


Geez, what band have YOU  been listening to.  How can you say MwH has no
message.

Listen to:

Pop Goes the World
Hey Men
I'm In Love
All We Do
In the 21st Century
Living in China
the Safety Dance
I Like
The Spell
Open Your Eyes
I Got the Message (obviously)

Or maybe you're too busy enjoying yourself to think that you might be
learning something...

:-)


ahhh, great art sneaks up on you when you least suspect it...

(don't you just HATE that??!!)


MwH is practically a FOLK band...


Rod
Los Angeles

"I have done a good thing, I got you thinking...




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From: Col & Neen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heartbeat City
Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:19:34 +0100



Does anyone else think that Heartbeat City by The Cars sounds very MWH'ish

Although Rik Okasek's voice doesn't sound like Ivans, he has a very similar
singing style (almost spoken, very few sustained notes).  The Cars are
usually a bland middle-of-the-road guitar rock band, but this album is very
synth orientated and the riffs have a definite MWH ambience.

Particularly Hattish are I Refuse, You Might Think & Heartbeat City.

Does anyone else have this album and agree/disagree?


Col


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Comments on Survey
Date: 01 Oct 1997 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT)


    How do I go about purchasing a ticket (when the time comes) for
the concert?

Collin



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From: Col & Neen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) "The Survey" - a comment
Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:15:36 +0100



I've not been on this list for very long and so missed my opportunity to
vote on this song list that seems to have caused such a stir.  I have
however been reading the postings about it with interest and would like to
make a few observations

1. It seems to me that the people who collated the results have put a lot
of time and effort into doing so and are justified in being offended when
their efforts are maligned by everyone just because it isn't identical to
their own personal list.  How about a bit of gratitude!  At the end of the
day, all they have done collate YOUR votes and reported the results.  We
shouldn't shoot the messenger just because we don't like the message!

2. I agree with some of the postings that question our right to TELL Ivan
what songs he should play.  Ivan has been in the business for a very long
time now and I am quite sure that he has a very good idea of what it is his
audience want to hear.  The man is putting on a private show for us - isn't
that enough?  Everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it.  I
would ideally like to see the concert be a retrospective of MWH through the
years, with Ivan playing HIS favorite songs from ALL the albums (including
The Spell), giving his reasons why each track was selected.  I think the
insights as to why he chose various songs would be fascinating.

3.  You guys all seem to be missing the point about live shows.  Half the
thrill of a live show is NOT KNOWING what will be played.  OK, your
favorite might not make the cut, but I have been to several shows by other
artists where an average album track has been transformed into an awesome
live one.  I for one have never gone home unhappy from a live show just
because they didn't play such and such.

4.  It's one thing to demand what you want played, but to also demand what
version - come on, give the guy some credit!  Again, there'e nothing I like
more in a live show than when a band take one of their classics and perform
it in a completely new and different way - doing an acoustic version, or
turning a 3 minute song into a 10 minute opus.  You all love Ivan for his
musical creativity - don't stifle it!

5.  Another great treat for me at a live concert, is when a band you love
cover someone else's song in their own style.  Ivan has already proved he
is good at this (SOS, I am the walrus) and I would love to hear him
surprise us with cover we've not heard him do before.

6. The track list published seems to me to be very similar to the bootleg
CD concerts already out there.  Surely it would be nice to hear some
different stuff, if only for the CD afterwards.

7. Does Ivan ever read postings to this list? Has he ever posted one
himself? If he does, perhaps he should post his views and end this
bickering once and for all.

When push comes to shove, we're all on this list for the same reason -
because we love MWH, if Ivan came on and sang "Twinkle twinkle little star"
I'd still go home happy - 'cos he'd sung it for us - and ONLY US!

While I'm on the subject of the concert - where has this number of 100 or
so attendees come from? Is this the number of us on the list or is there an
attendees list somewhere - if there is, how do I go about getting my name
on it?

I am hoping to travel over to Montreal from the UK just for the concert.
It would be a once in a lifetime experience for me (but I hope not!)

Col


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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Heartbeat City
Date: 01 Oct 1997 12:15:46 -0400


At 01:19 PM 10/1/97 +0100, Col & Neen wrote:
>
>Does anyone else think that Heartbeat City by The Cars sounds very MWH'ish
>Col

I have always been a big Cars fan and agree that the synth influence on
Heartbeat City is reminiscent of MWH.  I think the poppiness of many Cars
songs is another reason I link the two bands as favourites of mine.
Brad Hull
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Heartbeat City
Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:28:46 -0400


>The Cars are usually a bland middle-of-the-road guitar rock band

> I've always thought of them as new wave, myself.
>
> Some of their earlier stuff has a hats-ish sound to it, like Moving in
> Stereo and others.
>
> Dave Mattingly
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Sisters of Mercy
Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:06:10 -0400


>Yes the similarity has been mentioned some time before on the list,
>I believe Andrew Eldrich's voice is sometimes pretty close to Ivan's.

When I first heard "Temple of Love 92" on the radio, I thought it was Men
Without Hats and didn't even notice the change in music style!!  And I was
sad about "Sideways".  Go figure.  I was also happy because the song
featured my other fav artist, Ofra Haza.


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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cars
Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:49:34 -0700



If you noticed, any of the songs on the Sideways albums sound
"Bowieish"?  It sounds just like David Bowie.  I even freaked out my sis
when I let her listen to it!

Aaron Gitlin
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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Theme Pack
Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:19:56 -0700


I have just U\L my theme!  It only took 8 million years, but I got around
to it.  It has a  background and sound events.  Allison has icons on her
page you can use.  The theme is at
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/hudsucker/38/theme.zip
D\L it, if ya'd like.  I would also appreciate some input on it.  The
pictures used were from different sites I have found, and the sounds are
all copied from the "Collection" CD.  Catch ya latez!
Aaron Gitlin
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From: [e-mail] (Angela Tooley)
Subject: (hats) "The Survey" - a comment
Date: 01 Oct 1997 19:21:28 -0400 (EDT)




I wholeheartedly agree with what was written in the lengthy message
posting by Col & Neen.  I think my thoughts and opinions could not
have been expressed better if I had written them down myself.

Thank you!  Hope to see you at the show!

Angie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Comments on Survey
Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:17:33 -0400 (EDT)


Hi Collin.

I'm organizing this show in Montreal.  It will be probably next year, I have
to finalize the deal.

ciaoo

P.s.  Yes we have 250 tickers for the gang!

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Walker)
Subject: (hats) Re:  MWH check
Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:42:18 -0500


MWH checks would be great!  Does anyone out there work for Delux? :)

Yours Sincerely,
Wasting Away


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Walker)
Subject: (hats) Re: Hey Men
Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:51:56 -0500


Ivan also sings, "Quit mowing your children down".  As any teenager
would tell you (and we've all been there, if we aren't there now), no
child "belongs" to his parents, any more than a woman "belongs" to a
man; nevertheless, with both relationships comes a certain amount of
comittment, and we do come to rely on this comittent as a right owed to
us  (Just watch Divorce Court, if you don't believe me :)  ).  Just the
opposite of these lines lines, then, would also be true:  ". . .mowing
YOUR parents" or "pushing YOUR men", for example. . . .

Yours Sincerely,
Wasting Away


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Various stuff
Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:57:23 -0700


Hey Men (and Women),
1.  I have noticed that when new members come on line, they almost all
notice that we do a lot of bickering on this site.  I don't know if this is
a good or bad thing.  I guess that it is bad, but then again we all kind-of
have this bond of loving the best band ever (in my opinion) and so what if
we bicker.  I am glad that my favorite band is so obscure and not some
commercial 'success'.

2.  I ordered 'Sideways' and 'The Spell' from A&B Online in Vancouver.
Thanks to whoever posted their address on the list.  I looked around and
the prices were much less than anywhere else I found.

3.  I added a couple of things to my site map.  The title may take a while
to download, but I think it is worth the wait.  For those of you who have
forgot, it's at http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom.

4 now I am out of here.

-Eric


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Heartbeat City
Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:25:43 -0400 (EDT)


Heartbeat City is a great tune. It could be something by the Hats, but
doesn't it seem a little darker, kind of like Modern(e) Dancing or Security?








                                                                      Nikolai


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Concert/Survey
Date: 02 Oct 1997 14:34:59 +0100


As an impartial viewer to the concert/survey happenings (as I won`t be
able to go), I find some of the recent opinions on what should be played
absolutely astounding.

I`m not even sure that the survey on the setlist was a great idea,
especially since there has been a lot of arguement as to the results.

Let`s take one step backwards and think about the concept of a private
show by a man whose music is idolised/well-liked by members of this
list.  How many artists would even consider taking such step?  We
should consider ourselves privileged that Ivan has actually agreed to
do this.

Now onto the setlist.  It shouldn`t actually matter whether Ivan is playing
to 10 people or 1,000 - he should have the freedom to choose what he plays.
If he is not comfortable playing a particular song or feels that he really
wants to play another then that`s his choice.  I know if I were him and
I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then my
initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing off.

How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they
don`t play exactly what you want them to?

You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to
hear certain material.

ttfn,

Si

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey
Date: 02 Oct 1997 09:42:58 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I know if I were him and
> I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed...

For the nth time (and repeat ad infinitum), WE ARE NOT IMPOSING
ANYTHING! WE ARE MERELY SUGGESTING! Let's talk about something else,
please!!!!

Claude


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!???
Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:31:14 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
> perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
> legal issue.
>
to whoever you are:
a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say)
who do YOU really think WE are ???
Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ????
When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an
artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist
is obligated to perform-
you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to
Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD.

Wolfgang


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: (hats) Concert/Survey]
Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:34:49 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> As an impartial viewer to the concert/survey happenings (as I won`t be
> able to go), I find some of the recent opinions on what should be played
> absolutely astounding.

> If he is not comfortable playing a particular song or feels that he really
> wants to play another then that`s his choice.  I know if I were him and
> I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then my
> initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing off.
>
> How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they
> don`t play exactly what you want them to?
>
> You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to
> hear certain material.
>
> ttfn,
>
> Si
>
I couldnt agree more- lets all try and be a little thankful that this
intimate concert is even going to happen.

wolf


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hmmm...
Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:11:39 -0400 (EDT)


Hat checks.  Heh!

Myke


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From: "Rush " <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) don't leave!!!
Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:03:27 UT


EXACTLY!

Rush

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Sent:    Tuesday, September 30, 1997 7:43 AM


> Lets face it - we can't tell Ivan what songs he has to perform,

We can't?  We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
legal issue.


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From: "Rush " <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!???
Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:08:42 UT


Get real, that's when THEY are marketing to the public, not when WE are
contracting to do the show, does anyone see the difference here?  I know
Francis does (freeze as well), it's just simply that we are negotiating a
contract...

Cordially,

Rush

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[e-mail] wrote:
We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
> perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
> legal issue.
>
to whoever you are:
a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say)
who do YOU really think WE are ???
Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ????
When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an
artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist
is obligated to perform-
you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to
Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD.



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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey
Date: 02 Oct 1997 11:17:17 -0600


> I know if I were him and
> I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then
> my
> initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing
> off.

Except that you are not Ivan.  Ivan has a different outlook than this.
He sees this concert as an opportunity to be with and entertain the
people who have supported him.  He is grateful to have fans at all and
doesn't carry that Rock ego that you're expecting.  All his songs
include messages that are important to Ivan and if a group of people
request a few then he will play them with honor and pride (and possibly
hope).

How do I know this?  Because of the last 16 years I've spent listening
to his music, talking to Ivan directly and doing research on him and his
band. Simply put, I know Ivan's personality.  Ivan wants us all to get
along and understand and respect each other.

btw,  I accept the set list released a few days ago.  It's not identical
to mine but I will enjoy hearing it.  In my opinion, it's a good one.
After all, they're all written by a genius!

Senz





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From: "Rush " <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bickering? Wake Up.
Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:36:59 UT


Somebody mentioned that we are "bickering".  I disagree.  I think when you
have people that are passionate about something (Mw/oH) you are going to have
disagreements about many issues and such is the essence of life.  Sure
sometimes it will get "heated" as far as that can happen on A COMPUTER LIST,
but so what?  As long as there are no personal attacks of the "you are stupid"
variety, the "your OPINION is stupid" is fine.  In my opinion, anyone who
takes seriously an attack from an anonymous bunch of words on a computer
screen has a whole lot of things that they should be spending time on (mental
stability comes to mind).  I for one am extremely grateful to have this
opportunity with Ivan, however, as I said earlier, I have no intention of
driving from Chicago to Montreal to hear Ivan's experimental acid-jazz set
which he thought his closest fans might enjoy in an intimate setting.  I agree
with Senz, regardless of YOUR personal feelings, we are NEGOTIATING A
CONTRACT, there is give and take, and it happens every day.  IVAN even
negotiates contracts (I know, shocker to all you "arteeest" types out there)
but without a contract there would be no Spell.  And rest assured Tox spent
little time worrying about Ivan's integrity, the made sure, first and
foremost, that they could make money.  Sorry about the elementary econ lesson,
but oh well.

Cordially,

Rush

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey
Date: 02 Oct 1997 11:55:02 -0600


I think my tone was a little strong in my last post.  I'm not angry, but
perhaps a little frustrated with the lack of understanding of Ivan.  My
apologies.

Also,  I believe 1997 - 1983 = 14 and not 16.  (I'm building a robot
these days and the number 16 just happens to be in my head a lot.)   : )

Peace,

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From: Angela Tooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) come on, guys...
Date: 02 Oct 1997 13:09:02 -0400


I think that all the bickering I have been reading lately defeats the
whole
purpose of this concert we are trying to arrange.  I thought this show
would be
a good way for the "Hats list" to get a sense of unity and purpose
previously
unfelt by us.  I thought getting to know one another face-to-face and on
a personal level would help "bridge the gap" between real people and
computer
interface.  But with all the arguing and debating going on among members
of
the group,  it will be a wonder if we ever really feel that sense of
unity.

Not only that, but all this inner fighting is defeating another purpose
as well -
making new members to the list feel "at home" and welcomed.  When I
first
subscribed, the first week I was on, I had to endure a continuing and
lengthy
battle between 2 of the list members, and I must admit it turned me off
a little
bit.  Think of those who are just joining us, people who, like us, have
loved
MWH for years.  Finally they hook up with us and not only do they find
all
the information and discussion they have been looking for forever, they
also
find evidence of hostility and disrespect.  This kind of behavior does
us all a
disservice.

I believe strongly in freedom of speech, but even more strongly I
believe in tact
and respect. Remember the famous words:  "A house divided against itself
cannot stand."  Think about it in relation to this organization.  Think
about it
in terms of trying to organize this concert.

Let's not blow it all with constant bickering.


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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!???
Date: 02 Oct 1997 10:18:46 PDT


I agree totally with Wolfgang

Who is this shithead ?  Legal issues !!!! Holding the checkbook!!!!. If
I was Ivan and read this I'd cancel the concert straight away, I can't
believe a fan could write anything like that. It's making him out as a
performing monkey. Do you propose we withold payment until after the
show and then reduce his fee by the amount of songs requested he didn't
perform ?

I'm totally against a proposed set list, by all means suggest to Ivan a
few songs we'd like to hear, but under no circumstances should you
impose conditions that he must play certain songs. I really can't see
how you can ask someone to do you a favour, and then start imposing
conditions on him. Its not as though its actually all that much money
once Theatre rental, managers cut, lighting and sound engineers and any
other musicians, etc. have been paid off. And how long will it take to
rehearse songs he's not play'd in over ten years ? Two weeks ? more ? I
think some of you are asking a bit much.

This attitude of 'I've paid my 30 dollars therefore he must play my
favourite song(s)' seems totally wrong to me, espicially as you are
supposed to be his fans.


>[e-mail] wrote:
>We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
>> perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
>> legal issue.
>>
>to whoever you are:
>a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say)
>who do YOU really think WE are ???
>Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ????
>When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an
>artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist
>is obligated to perform-
>you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to
>Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD.
>
>Wolfgang
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan's show --- update
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:25:50 -0400 (EDT)


I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing.

Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted
songs.  Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan
to play them because the majority of the people want them.

So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs on
15 and play them.

The show is gonna have a "nostalgy" concept.  So, I will try to have Stefan
and Colin on stage too.

Ciao

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Subject: (hats) Ivan's show --- update
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:24:41 -0400 (EDT)


I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing.

Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted
songs.  Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan
to play them because the majority of the people want them.

So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs on
15 and play them.

The show is gonna have a "nostalgy" concept.  So, I will try to have Stefan
and Colin on stage too.

Ciao

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From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A concert by any other name
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:23:44 PDT


I could be wrong, but as I remember it, this concert idea was started a
while ago based upon this thread:

- how can we pay for the 2fers and bootlegs when Ivan
  isn't getting any residuals from them
- didn't he already make money off them in their
  original release?
- no, Ivan made virtually no money off of the albums
  ("not enough to buy a bicycle", as someone put it)
- maybe we could take up a collection for him, or give
  him a certain amount per CD?
- no, that's charity, let's instead ask him to do a
  concert for us, his closest and biggest fans

I know that we're all itching to see him live; I'm considering flying up
from LA.  But this concert was originally to do one thing: support Ivan
as an artist.  Please don't be overcome by your greed for "the perfect
Ivan concert bootleg", to the point where you'll put down other list
members who just want to get the show off the ground.

Direct insults or muffled sarcasm, it's easy to take criticism
seriously, and while I realize that intelligent objections are perfectly
at home on a mailing list, could we please try and stifle it for this
thread?

The show was originally to benefit Ivan.  Wouldn't it be enough to just
show him the survey, or all the surveys if there are several, and ask
him if he could keep them in mind when he makes up his set list?  Col
and Neen's (it was you, wasn't it?) comment on Ivan singing "Twinkle
Twinkle" was right on; he could sing anything for me live and I'd
probably go directly to heaven.

It would be a dream to enjoy a show by Ivan, with the most devoted Mw/oH
fans anywhere.  For many of us, this is our first chance to see him
ever.  Let's not screw it up with anger or overdeveloped expectations.
Frankly, $30 a ticket isn't that bad.  I'd consider $300.

Oh, and one more thing: to the poster earlier who called the "legal
issue" poster a s**thead -- I agree with what you're saying 100%, but
try not to use profanity to say it.  I mean, I curse like a sailor too,
offline; but on lists let's try to keep it clean, shall we?

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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Concert
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:42:35 -0700


On a lighter note about the concert...
I was wonderig where it was going to take place.  I keep reading Montreal,
but I can never be too sure.  Also, if it is in Montreal, can someone
please tell me how much airfare to Canada from Las Vegas, NV, USA is?
Also, do I need a passport?  These may sound like ridiculous questions,
but, I am only 15 and ca only find so much out on my own.  Thank you all
very much!

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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A concert by any other name
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:46:01 -0700


here here, my friend

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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: Re: (hats) come on, guys...
Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:39:50 -0500


Angela Tooley wrote:
>
> I think that all the bickering I have been reading lately defeats the
> whole
> purpose of this concert we are trying to arrange.  I thought this show
> would be
> a good way for the "Hats list" to get a sense of unity and purpose
> previously
> unfelt by us.

> Not only that, but all this inner fighting is defeating another purpose
> as well -
> making new members to the list feel "at home" and welcomed.



Hmmmmm............... Yes, I suppose there is SOME "bickering" going on
around here.  Years ago, Ivan told us "you can act real rude and totally
removed and I can act like an imbecile".  It's okay sometimes, but not
when it goes on and on, like with this playlist thing.  Like Angie said,
one of the main reasons behind this private show is so that list members
can meet in person for a change.  Sure, it would be great if we could
formulate a playlist that everyone positively agreed on, but that's
simply not going to happen.  We all have our personal favorites
and there's just too much MWH material to choose from.

Let's not look at this concert from a purely musical standpoint.  Ivan's
not actually going to be playing anything we haven't already heard,
right?  Now, I know that some of us live far, some VERY far, from where
the concert is to be held, and that the financial investment will be
considerable in order to go.  Still, let's not make such a big deal
about not getting to hear every single song we want.  Whatever get's
played, it'll be good because Ivan is the one playing it.  Although I
won't be able to attend the concert myself, I'd hate to see it get
messed up for anyone just because of a few differences of opinion.

And yes, let's strive to make new list members feel welcome.  Back when
I first signed on, there was a particularly nasty series of exchanges.
I decided to wait for things to settle out.  They did, and I'm glad I
stayed on, because this list has proven so informative and useful!
Several members have provided me with recordings I'd have had no chance
of getting elsewhere.  There's going to be complaining and such once in
a while, no doubt about it, but let's not get TOO hostile.  It's
reflects badly on us.

Cameron


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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) New Page
Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:55:36 -0700


Hey folks.  I have just re-vamped my MWH web page.  I no longer have it as
a link on my main page, but a seperate entity all together.  It is located at:
http://menwohats.home.ml.org
I have not changed too much, with the exception of the files section.
Check it out and suggest anything you have to say, please.  Thank you much!

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) A concert by any other name
Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:34:37 -0600


Marty [Hatless] wrote:

> I could be wrong, but as I remember it, this concert idea was started
> a
> while ago based upon this thread:
>
> - how can we pay for the 2fers and bootlegs when Ivan
>   isn't getting any residuals from them
> - didn't he already make money off them in their
>   original release?
> - no, Ivan made virtually no money off of the albums
>   ("not enough to buy a bicycle", as someone put it)
> - maybe we could take up a collection for him, or give
>   him a certain amount per CD?
> - no, that's charity, let's instead ask him to do a
>   concert for us, his closest and biggest fans
>

Thanks for bringing this up, Marty, I was beginning to wonder if this
discussion had been completely forgotten!!

Senz



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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) don't leave!!!
Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:01:19 -0700


WHAT?!?!?!?

>
> We can't?  We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
> perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
> legal issue.



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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) New Page
Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:07:58 -0700


Hey-
My computer can't find this page.  Typo on your end, or my computer?????
-Eric

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Walker)
Subject: (hats) Re: Concert set list
Date: 02 Oct 1997 23:54:54 -0500


I, for one, am very disturbed by the suggestion that Ivan's not playing
the songs selected by us could become a "legal issue".  Francis, please
let the man know that, first and foremost, I am interested in a private
show from him, as oppsed to having a live Wirlitzer to play what I want
to hear.  I think the suggestions from the past couple of days are the
most level-headed I've heard:  Ivan should use the list as a general
guideline and, based on it, play what he wants to play.  Frankly, I am
very excited about the show and I want nothing to jeopardize our plans
-- and threats of legal action, no matter how they were intended, might
do just that!  Please, let's calm down and forget about the @@!!##
favotites list, already!  I'm sure that Ivan will be as interested to
see the results as we obviously were.  I am also sure that he will
realize that we were simply voicing our opinions, not re-writing the
Bible!

Yours Sincerely,
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Dedications...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:44:31 +0000


OK everyone, I think it's definitely time for a new topic!

It's Saturday night, and the dedication lines at your local radio
station are open.  You know that Ivan is in town and listening to
this radio station (since during the rest of the week it plays cool
stuff like ABBA, Roxy Music, and T Rex ;-)  ), and you think, "Wow,
it would be fun to send a song to Ivan!"

What song (can be ANYTHING) would you dedicate to Ivan?

My answer later . . .

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Dedications...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 09:35:54 +0000


Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote:
>
> OK everyone, I think it's definitely time for a new topic!

I'm with you 100% on that one...

> What song (can be ANYTHING) would you dedicate to Ivan?

It can be ANYTHING (so it can be more than one song)?

here goes:
Fu Man Chu (by Robert Charlebois)
Rock'n Roll Suicide (by David Bowie)
Le Desert (by Raoul Duguay)
Lumieres (by Gerard Manset)
Seven Seconds (by Youssou N'dour & Neneh Cherry)

I'll stop here (there is almost a concept in that list!).

Take care everybody

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) the great concert debate
Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:43:58 +0000


> > How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they
> > don`t play exactly what you want them to?

The difference is that the purpose of this show is not to promote his
latest disc.

The difference is that this show is not playing to
10,000 screaming fans.

The difference is that this is a private show that we are organizing.

> > You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to
> > hear certain material.

This is absolutely a special event.  Most of us never had a chance to
see Men Without Hats when the songs were new.  Most of us will never
have this opportunity again.

What is wrong with telling Ivan that we appreciate his music by
giving him a list of our favorite songs?  The fans are putting effort
into compiling a list that represents the songs that mean the most to
us.  Are our feelings irrelevant?  Wouldn't Ivan WANT to know this
information?  When Ingrid Bergman asked Sam to play "As Time Goes
By", did Sam feel injured as an artist?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: your stupid comments
Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:43:58 +0000


> You have totally offended Alan, Michelle, Rod, Lisa, Wolfgang  and myself.
> Why don't you do us all a favour, and keep ypur stupid "legal" comments to
> yourself.

It was not my intent to offend anyone.

I was simply pointing out that it is unlikely that Ivan would not
fulfill anything that was in writing because he is a businessman as
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From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) the great concert debate
Date: 03 Oct 1997 07:01:37 PDT


Actually, I wouldn't say there was anything wrong at all with showing
Ivan the survey list; I would imagine he'd love to see what legacy his
music is creating.  However, mandating the music he must play?  I
suppose there's nothing totally morally wrong with it, but it just seems
so unnecessary.  Are we actually worried that he's going to do nothing
but 18 different renditions of 21st Century Safety Dance :)?

I would think that the show, which is just as much for Ivan's sake as
for ours, should be one which he'll enjoy as well, and I would guess
(although I could be completely wrong) that he'd like the freedom to
develop his own set list.  Isn't it likely he'll play the majority of
the audience's favorite songs anyway (seeing as they were so
conveniently listed for him in advance)?

Have faith in Ivan, comrade.  He works in mysterious ways, but not THAT
mysterious. :)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:15:33 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (South America - BRASIL)

HEY MWH fan list:

    Yesterday I hear by my first time the "Open Your Eyes" video in a
mexican channel (TELE UNO) that I watch barely. I don't believe it
because is almost impossibble to imagine that this video appear in a
chanell like this.

    So, I would like to know whether there are another videomusics about the
"The Spell". Or better:  Is there the "The Spell" video? If it exists,
PLEASE contact with me. I live in a country where there are a few
stuffs about MWH. For example, I never heard musics like "Freeways" or
"Heaven" and I never watch any MWH video (Recently I ordered 2 videotapes
and the copies of the 3CD bootleg).

    Here in BRASIL, land of the football and the carnival, MWH is call a
SURF MUSIC BAND because a few people knows the New Wave debut CD's of
this band, only knows the "Adventures of...without hate" and the Sideways.

    What the far away countries from Canada that has MWH fans in
the world? Japan? China? :):)

                 So, Everybody needs to comunicate with everybody.


                    Waiting your e-mail............:)

                    Um grande abraco a todos!
                    (A big hug for everybody!)


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's)
Date: 03 Oct 1997 10:07:26 +0000


Hi all, this message is addressed to Myke Carter

I first sent you this message september 11th! I resent it at least 10
times. It always bounce back! So here's a shorter version of my
message...

About your MWH page, you should do something about the text (red on red
is just impossible to read). There is also a small typo in your list of
songs; "Valese d'Eug=E9nie" should read "Valse d'Eug=E9nie".

Bye all,

Claude


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From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's)
Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:42:53 PDT


>There is also a small typo in your list of
>songs; "Valese d'Eugenie" should read "Valse d'Eugenie".

Whoah -- wait a minute.

I just checked six different copies of PGTW, and only one of them has
the song listed as "La VALSE D'Eugenie" (I'm omitting the accent because
Hotmail hates them), and that's the American domestic CD release.  The
other five (Canadian domestic release cassette, Canadian export release
cassette, American domestic release cassette, American domestic release
vinyl, Canadian domestic release vinyl) all say "La VALESE D'Eugenie".

However, seeing as "valse" means waltz in French, and "valese" means
absolutely nothing, it looks like a typo of longstanding was finally
corrected on the transfer to CD.  Either way, if I hadn't looked it up
right now, I would have made the same typo Myke did.

Of course, there is always the possibility that the song really is named
"La Valese D'Eugenie".  Perhaps it was intentional...?

</marty>

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╗ It's music to my ears in a foreign car. ╗
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's)
Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:55:11 +0000


Marty [Hatless] wrote:
>
> However, seeing as "valse" means waltz in French, and "valese" means
> absolutely nothing, it looks like a typo of longstanding was finally
> corrected on the transfer to CD.

You got that right!

> Of course, there is always the possibility that the song really is named
> "La Valese D'Eugenie".  Perhaps it was intentional...?

No way. It's Valse, not Valese...

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats one day...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:52:55 +0000


Helllllo! (anybody watch Senfield yesterday?)

First a message about the Who's Who list. If you find your name in the
list below, it means I have remove you from the who's who list because I
didn't have confirmation from you that you wanted to stay in. If you
change your mind, or if you just wake up, or if you don't know what the
heck I'm talking about go to:
http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/whoswho_mwh.html and read the easy
instructions.

The "removed" fans are Anthonetta Nel (meaning we don't have a
representant from Africa anymore), Mike Best, Thomas Bieler, Mark
Causer, Chris Handshaw, Jonas Lantz, Fran=E7ois Blawat, Charlie Garbowski=
,
Paul Go, Russ Kemsley, David King, Rod MacQuarrie, Marty McKolskey,
Andrew Pepoy, Ray Peterson, David Richards, Gino Rodeghier, Donald
Stroud, Jim Sustacek, Michael Ward, Adam Webber and Adam J. Weitzman.

Now about the FAQ page. Those of you who visited the page noticed that
there was a litle banner on top of each page to allow fast navigation
between the different sections. You may have noticed that two of the
icons (yellow stripe on pink background and MWH logo) lead to the main
page. I decide to use the MWH logo icon for a different purpose. It will
now lead to a "special feature" (known only to the members of the list
and to the very investigative). I already install one of these features
on the who's who section. Go check it out, it should put a smile on your
face...

Now a little request. The links section of the FAQ page is getting huge.
I would like to add a page (special feature) listing the ten best MWH
site or ressource on the web. Since this thing is highly subjective, I
would like to put it to a vote (oh no, not again!). So send me your vote
directly (not more than 10 URL, sorted from most favorite to least
favorite) with a comment justifying each of your choices. For obvious
reasons, the FAQ page is not eligible! There is no deadline for this
vote. As soon as I have enough results, I'll publish a list (with links
giving access to comments from the voters). The list will after that be
updated with each new vote received.

Thank you for your attention, have a nice week-end

Claude


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From: Angela Tooley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Dedication
Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:57:52 -0400


Oh, Boy!  A new topic!  This sounds like a fun one too.  I can't wait to
hear
everyone's responses.

I guess initially I would say "Supper's Ready" by Genesis, because...
well, Ivan would know why.

Claude, you are going to have to play those songs for me the next time I
see
you!

Angie




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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Crazy
Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:11:39 +0000


Your all crazy

Even you, your crazy.

:)

-Richard


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From: "David P. King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:10:44 -0600


Does anyone on the list actually have this CD that's listed in the
discography?

Men Without Hats: Ultra Rare Tracks
  [1995] CD-R bootleg; may only be one copy

    CD: 1995 US (...)
        [demo tracks, ivan only:]
          3:45  Gravity Is My Enemy
          2:56  Living In China (demo version)
          3:33  "1999"
          4:04  Rhythm Of Youth
          3:50  Ban The Game (demo version)
          5:00  Treblinka
        [planned for folk iii but not ready in time:]
          4:11  Editions Of You (feb '84 mix)
        [not-particularly-scarce remixes:]
          6:11  Where Do The Boys Go (extended version)
          5:48  I Got The Message (special extended remix)
          5:36  Freeways (euromix)
        [put together after folk iii:]
          3:49  Editions Of You (heavy guitars mix, mar '85)
        [recorded live in a winnebago after a january 1983 concert;
         features Allan McCarthy, Paul LePage, Stefan Doroschuk.
         studio version ("Ou Sont Les Men") recorded for folk iii
         but never included:]
         19:27  The Winnebago Song

I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have
had no idea where I could get them.  If someone has one of these CDs and
would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR
copies for anyone who wanted one.

Anyone??

--David
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 14:22:36 +0000


David P. King wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list actually have this CD that's listed in the
> discography?
>
> Men Without Hats: Ultra Rare Tracks
>   [1995] CD-R bootleg; may only be one copy
>
>     CD: 1995 US (...)
>         [demo tracks, ivan only:]
>           3:45  Gravity Is My Enemy
>           2:56  Living In China (demo version)
>           3:33  "1999"
>           4:04  Rhythm Of Youth
>           3:50  Ban The Game (demo version)
>           5:00  Treblinka
>         [planned for folk iii but not ready in time:]
>           4:11  Editions Of You (feb '84 mix)
>         [not-particularly-scarce remixes:]
>           6:11  Where Do The Boys Go (extended version)
>           5:48  I Got The Message (special extended remix)
>           5:36  Freeways (euromix)
>         [put together after folk iii:]
>           3:49  Editions Of You (heavy guitars mix, mar '85)
>         [recorded live in a winnebago after a january 1983 concert;
>          features Allan McCarthy, Paul LePage, Stefan Doroschuk.
>          studio version ("Ou Sont Les Men") recorded for folk iii
>          but never included:]
>          19:27  The Winnebago Song
>
> I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have
> had no idea where I could get them.  If someone has one of these CDs and
> would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR
> copies for anyone who wanted one.
>
> Anyone??

I think everybody on the list would be more than interested to hear
those songs! (and have a copy on CD). I think Tom Norman spoke with
Colin Doroschuk about a possible release of those tracks. Comments Tom?

Claude


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Crazy
Date: 03 Oct 1997 14:23:33 +0000


Richard Holdman wrote:
>
> Your all crazy
>
> Even you, your crazy.
>
Even me?

a paranoid Claude


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) You got the message
Date: 03 Oct 1997 19:10:20 +0000


Hi all!

News from the FAQ site. The "special feature" of the Links section is
now on line!

Claude


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography...
Date: 03 Oct 1997 21:37:03 -0400



>> I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have
>> had no idea where I could get them.  If someone has one of these CDs and
>> would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR
>> copies for anyone who wanted one.
>>
>> Anyone??
>
>I think everybody on the list would be more than interested to hear
>those songs! (and have a copy on CD). I think Tom Norman spoke with
>Colin Doroschuk about a possible release of those tracks. Comments Tom?


I haven't heard anything about this yet.   What Colin told me is, He and Ivan WILL
get this out to the fans somehow.   If he doesn't get back to us about CD-R bootlegs,
it is becasue they plan to release it "limited edition" on their own label.

All I can verify is,  I haven't heard anything yet.   But I certainly want one as
much as you do!
Colin did say that the demo of Ban the Game, is exactly like the live "ban the game
II" on the Spectrum show videotape.    His two favorites from the demos were Rhythm
of Youth and Treblinka.   He was actually humming the beat to Rhythm of Youth.  This
sounds like the best song on the demo, very fast beat.
Now I just wish I could actually hear the real thing.
Are you reading this IVAN, please please release this for us.  :-O

Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Concert set list
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:45:43 -0400 (EDT)


As I wrote, the private show will contain some new songs but most of the song
will be from the old albums.

Of course, I'm gonna suggest our list to Ivan.  He could choose 10 songs on
15.  So, everyone will be happy!


Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's)
Date: 03 Oct 1997 23:02:10 -0400 (EDT)


Dont argu with us, LA VALSE D,EUGENIE is in french

hahahaha

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Concert set list
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:44:43 -0400 (EDT)


As I wrote, the private show will contain some new songs but most of the song
will be from the old albums.

Of course, I'm gonna suggest our list to Ivan.  He could choose 10 songs on
15.  So, everyone will be happy!


Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The Legal Hotline
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:08:15 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-10-03 05:31:57 EDT, you write:

<< > Lets face it - we can't tell Ivan what songs he has to perform,

 We can't?  We're the ones holding the checkbook.  If Ivan doesn't
 perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a
 legal issue.
  >>

Is this a real issue?  Has Ivan refused to perform certain songs?  Did I miss
that post?

If you are afraid that Ivan's choices will not be entertaining, then don't
go.  Vote with your money.  That'll show _him_ !!!!!!!!!!!

Brad

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Senz's letter
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:45:33 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-10-02 13:20:14 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< How do I know this?  Because of the last 16 years I've spent listening
 to his music, talking to Ivan directly and doing research on him and his
 band. Simply put, I know Ivan's personality.  Ivan wants us all to get
 along and understand and respect each other.
  >>

Ivan's songs are doing a great job keeping and making fans intrested. I
myself am only 16, and I found MWH's RoY while I was going through my parents
old albums about a year ago. After I heard it a few times, I found the Hats
have more them than just music. There's a message in nearly all the songs
they've done, and that's more than I can say for a lot of stuff out there
today.

I'm hoping to see more Hats in US CD and album stores sometime, new or old. I
really enjoy all the work put into the songs. Keep it up, Ivan!












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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: (old) Senz's letter
Date: 04 Oct 1997 02:34:25 -0600


[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-02 13:20:14 EDT, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << .....the last 16 years I've spent listening
>  to his music.......
>   >>
>
> Ivan's songs are doing a great job keeping and making fans intrested.
> I
> myself am only 16, and I found MWH's RoY while I was going through my
> parents
> old albums about a year ago. After I heard it a few times, I found the
> Hats
> have more them than just music. There's a message in nearly all the
> songs
> they've done, and that's more than I can say for a lot of stuff out
> there
> today.
>
>                                                                   Nick

It's always great to hear about a new fan of MWH or Ivan. His songs are
truly timeless!
Personally, I've found that all MWH/Ivan songs communicate strong and
well thought out
ideas.  Whether they be messages or comments, Ivan gets us thinking!!

(Now, if I could just get that barbie song out of my head!!)   :-)

Senz

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Come on Barbie, Let's go Party!
Date: 04 Oct 1997 02:50:25 -0600


All kidding aside ....
Is it just me or does there seem to be some decent synthesized pop
happening these days?

More examples... (other than Aqua's Barbie Girl)
Daft Punk - Around The World
Savage Garden - I Want You
The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony

Senz
(not sure what to make of it)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Come on Barbie, Let's go Party!
Date: 04 Oct 1997 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-10-04 07:09:08 EDT, you write:

<< All kidding aside ....
 Is it just me or does there seem to be some decent synthesized pop
 happening these days?

 More examples... (other than Aqua's Barbie Girl)
 Daft Punk - Around The World
 Savage Garden - I Want You
 The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony

 Senz
 (not sure what to make of it)
  >>

Alphaville (Salvation)!!!!!!
Numan(Exile)!!!!!!

Good call, Senz!!!!!!!!!

Brad


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 90s Synth Pop
Date: 04 Oct 1997 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT)


I've noticed a few great synth tunes have surfaced in recent years that
would have been great to hear in the 80s.  In fact, when I hear them, they
can actually spark a feeling of 80s nostalgia in me even though the song
, I mean, songs are pure 90s tunes.  Ace Of Base makes me think of the
late 80s when M/A/R/R/S, "Pump Up The Volume" and Salt & Pepa's "Push It"
were in the charts, along with The Cure's "Just Like Heaven" and Men
Without Hats, "Pop Goes The World".

Another great new artist that makes me recall the 80s is Donna Lewis.

Hell, I can remember hearing "Macarena" several months before it became
the stupid overhyped dance phenomenon that we all know it now to have been,
and I loved it!  It was so kewl to hear great electronic pop on the radio
again!

Then when Savage Garden released their single last April or May, I immediately
had to have it!  I just wish the rest of their album was as good.

I would suppose that the only thing wrong with the artists who're making
this kind of music in the 90s is their lack of "good fashion."  Everybody's
still wearing shitty clothes and hairstyles.  Probably because of the poor
state of music television these days.  Today's artists really need a clue
about how to present themselves visually,

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 90s Synth Pop isn't original
Date: 04 Oct 1997 14:51:00 -0400


>I would suppose that the only thing wrong with the artists who're making
>this kind of music in the 90s is their lack of "good fashion."  Everybody's
>still wearing shitty clothes and hairstyles.  Probably because of the poor
>state of music television these days.  Today's artists really need a clue
>about how to present themselves visually,


Add to that a sense of originality (and self-respect for their art, too I
suppose).  I am so sick of hearing the EXACT same sample in a million songs.
For instance, George Michael's new song, I think "Fast Love" and all those
Ace of Base rip-offs.....and they call it their "new" song or "new album".
I personally like "Barbie Girl" (I ingore the lyrics) because it sounds a
little original (musically).

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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) 90s Synth Pop isn't original
Date: 04 Oct 1997 13:54:53 -0600


Daniele Rossi wrote:

> Add to that a sense of originality (and self-respect for their art,
> too I
> suppose).  I am so sick of hearing the EXACT same sample in a million
> songs.
> For instance, George Michael's new song, I think "Fast Love" and all
> those
> Ace of Base rip-offs.....and they call it their "new" song or "new
> album".
> I personally like "Barbie Girl" (I ingore the lyrics) because it
> sounds a
> little original (musically).

I see your point, although I liked Ace of Base's "It's A beautiful
Life".  Whether it was an original idea or not, I'm not sure.  (It's
pretty difficult to come up with a totally original idea at the best of
times.)  My point about "Barbie Girl" is that it's not a 'cool' song.
No one wants to admit they like it (maybe because it's childish or
rather feminine) but somehow it's topping the charts.  I even caught my
(decidedly macho) friend humming it!
It's been awhile since such a song made the charts.  Pop Goes The Wold
perhaps?  I'm just hoping that the synth friendly climate continues and
allows for some synth friendly bands like .... (do I dare say it?!)

Senz
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Subject: Re: (hats) 90s Synth Pop
Date: 04 Oct 1997 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT)


IT's funny to see people who like MWH like also the same other songs.

You mentionned

Savage garden, very good
Donna Lewis, very attractive songs
Ace of base, very good
and more and more

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Walker)
Subject: (hats) Aqua's the Barbie Song!!?!??
Date: 04 Oct 1997 20:13:19 -0500


Does this really constitute GOOD synth-pop?  Heaven help us all! :)
Actually, a station called the edge started playing Aqua about two
months ago, billing the song as "The Edge Barbie Song."  Since the
station believes itself to play an "alternative" mix, the song became an
instant joke with the  listeners and D.J.s alike.  A few weeks after its
introduction, one D.J. declared that she would "speed up the process" of
it becoming overplayed and proceeded to cue it up for thirty minutes!
Of course, she was nearly fired for this (after all, the powers that be
had deigned to call it THE EDGE Barbie song, so that meant it was cool,
even if no one thought so), but another D.J., in sympathy, did the same
thing the next day and saved his colleague from the axe!  (They
couldn't, after all, get rid of the entire staff!)  Don't ask me what
this has to do with Ivan, but it did make for an interesting couple of
days in Dallas!

Tien Sincerement,
Gaspillant Loin
(Thanks, Claude!)


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Aqua's the Barbie Song!!?!??
Date: 04 Oct 1997 23:28:10 -0400





Does this really constitute GOOD synth-pop?  Heaven help us all! :)
Actually, a station called the edge started playing Aqua about two
months ago, billing the song as "The Edge Barbie Song."  Since the
station believes itself to play an "alternative" mix, the song became an
instant joke with the  listeners and D.J.s alike.  A few weeks after its
introduction, one D.J. declared that she would "speed up the process" of
it becoming overplayed and proceeded to cue it up for thirty minutes!
Of course, she was nearly fired for this (after all, the powers that be
had deigned to call it THE EDGE Barbie song, so that meant it was cool,
even if no one thought so), but another D.J., in sympathy, did the same
thing the next day and saved his colleague from the axe!  (They
couldn't, after all, get rid of the entire staff!)  Don't ask me what
this has to do with Ivan, but it did make for an interesting couple of
days in Dallas!


German artist BLUMCHEN is much much better than that group.  She is like the new
NENA.
She is nearly #1 in Germany right now, all synth.

Tom
[e-mail]





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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) what else?
Date: 05 Oct 1997 14:23:59 +0000


Hi everybody!

First of all, I received very interesting info about MWH pre-history
this week-end. I'll publish it very soon in the FAQ site.
Secondly, I want to remind you that Rational Youth (synthpop Montreal
band from the 80's) have reformed. There first album Cold War Night Life
has been reissued in CD format by EMI Canada (and soon by October
Records in Sweeden). THIS IS THE REAL THING. You can found more about
them in the family section of the FAQ site (Tracy Howe, co-founder of
Rational Youth, played guitar on Freeways) or at there very nice web
page at http://www.rationalyouth.com (their links section alone should
be bookmarked by every serious synthpop fans). If you have difficulties
getting your hands on that "must have" record, join Rational Youth
through their home page, they will be happy to help.
Our lucky friends in Europe will be happy to know that Rational Youth
will be performing live at the Stockholm Synth Festival on november 1st.
More details at http://www.strokemusic.se/festival.htm
More good news, They are working on new material in the classic analogue
technopop style, which will soon be released through Sweden's October
Records.

Now, about the FAQ site; We finally have our South-American
"representative" from Sao Paulo, Brazil. Welcome aboard Marco! Everybody
on the mailing list is invited to vote for the best MWH links on the
web. The actual Top 10 can be consulted at
http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/bestlinks_mwh.html or by clicking on the
MWH logo in the Links section of the FAQ site.

Finally, you may have noticed that there is an invitation on the main
page of the FAQ site to vote for the site as a starting point. By doing
so, you contribute to the remote possibility of the site winning several
thousands exposures of the MWH FAQ site's banner throughout the net.
That would be nice to lure one-time MWH fans back in our growing
"family"!

Take care

Claude


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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan biography
Date: 06 Oct 1997 05:43:56 -0700


Hey all.  I had a great thought!  Why don't we all get to gether and write
an Ivan/MWH biography?  Think about it, we have all the information we need
to write a novella as it is, if we all research a little bit harder we can
get some pretty neat stuff out there.  It could do a great job of informing
others of Ivan & MWH.  So, what do you say?  Production costs would be
limited since ther are quite a few of us on this list.  Also, most of us
have full time jobs, but with this many people, the workload could be
distributed so not everbody does a lot of work.  There are also a few of
who are prolly really good writers.  Well folks, gimme your input!

Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page
http://menwohats.home.ml.org } MWH Page
Security, everyone feels better with...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) about Demos
Date: 06 Oct 1997 10:33:34 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
Hey hatters!

    I live in a country that doesn't have any MWH stuffs and so this
is hard to obtain here. I kew about Demos and I would like that some
hatter call me when it arrives there.

                        A great hug to everything.
                            Claudio Jr.


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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Concert-playlist
Date: 06 Oct 1997 16:29:07 +0200


Hi Hatters!

I guess I won't be able to afford a trip from Germany to Canada for
IVAN's concert. That's why I haven't voted for any songs: That's the job
of those who will actually attend the concert. But I am very interested
in getting a copy of the video and CD of this concert:

> Colin did say that the demo of Ban the Game, is exactly like the live "ban the game
> II" on the Spectrum show videotape.    His two favorites from the demos were Rhythm
> of Youth and Treblinka.   He was actually humming the beat to Rhythm of Youth.  This
> sounds like the best song on the demo, very fast beat.
> Now I just wish I could actually hear the real thing.
> Are you reading this IVAN, please please release this for us.  :-O

... And I think these songs should be on the CD! Shouldn't you at least
ask IVAN to play 'RHYTHM OF YOUTH'? Srange that the title track of my
favourite Hats album was never released on this album! Don't you want to
hear it, folks?

Thomas


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan biography
Date: 06 Oct 1997 14:49:47 -0400 (EDT)


That sounds like a great idea! Do you think we could even get one for the
whole MWH group?






                                                                         Nick


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From: Claude Berthiaume <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Synthetiser
Date: 06 Oct 1997 22:09:11 -0400


Since everybody talks about synth., I wonder what you think of "Larry =
Gowan", I think he did good stuuf and if you know this artist, I'd like =
to hear from you. BTW, he is the artist who made "Strange animal", =
"Criminal Mind" and "Moonlight Desires"(I'm hooked on the first and last =
one!!!)




Simon


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ADMINISTRIVIA: Admin Goes West (read)
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:42:49 -0600 (MDT)


Just FYI: I will be (mostly) offline Friday 10/10 through Monday 10/13.
This should only affect you if you are trying to do one of the following
things:

  * Post a message to the list from an address other than you one you
    joined from
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In other words, if you post something over the weekend and it doesn't show up,
it may have been caught by one of the junk filters on the list and would
therefore be dealt with when I return on Tuesday.  Please don't panic.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) October 9th...
Date: 08 Oct 1997 19:54:30 -0400 (EDT)


...is someone's birthday, remember?

Ivan is on video commenting on his birthday being on the same day as John
Lennon's.  That's tomorrow.

Everybody get those vocal chords warmed up!

Dave K


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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) October 9th
Date: 08 Oct 1997 22:26:52 -0400


You mean I've got the same birthday as IVAN!

I never cared too much that I was born on the same day as John
Lennon....but IVAN!!!!  This is GREAT!!!!

Happy birthday IVAN!!!!
Brad Hull
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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hello
Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:40:03 -0400


Has everyone voted on concert tracklist?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) about the demos
Date: 10 Oct 1997 09:13:41 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (BRASIL - Rio grande do Sul state - Porto Alegre city)
Hey everybody!

    Who's the hatter which can tell me about the Demos? I think that it
must be the principal subject of the e-mail list.......
    My MWh top ten:

1- Here comes the 90's
2- Hey men
3- On thuesday
4- Lose my way
5- In the name of angels
6- Security
7- Folk of the 80's
8- O sole mio
9- The real world
10- In the 21st century

    I think that "Pop goes the World" and "Adventures...without hate"
are the best MWH albuns because this is more elaborated and melodic
than the other albuns.

                    Waiting your e-mail.......

                            Claudio Jr.:0 :)




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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD trilogy notes
Date: 10 Oct 1997 18:17:06 +0200


Hej!

I was checking out the mp3 archives where I also found a picture of the
actual discs of the 3 CD "bootleg" set. It's hard to read what is written
on the discs. Could anyone of you proud and lucky owners of these tell
what is written?

L8R,
 PJ.


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) dream site
Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:20:02 +0000


Hi all!

When you'll have time, your are invited to vote for your favorite(s) MWH
web ressource(s) ( http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/bestlinks_mwh.html ).
The vote has been initiated a week ago, and only one Hatter casted his
vote (thanks Aaron) so far. This is suppose to be a service for MWH
fans. Beleive me, it will take you less time to cast your vote then it
will take me to compile it...

Take care...

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Second stickers shipment
Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:42:27 -0400 (EDT)


Hey people!

My second shipment of stickers is on the mail!!!!

Everyone (excep Woody and Frank Spinath, I received today) should receive
their stickers next week.

Ciao

Francis


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hot from the press!!!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 23:58:12 +0000


To all!

The well known lyrics: "What happened to Tony?" has been change to "What
happened to Todd?". The reason for this remains a mystery...

Claude the news reporter


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From: Marcos Tarquiano Vicente <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Brazilian MWH
Date: 10 Oct 1997 19:24:44 -0300


William Black wrote:
>=20
> Marcos,
>=20
>         I lived in Brazil from 1984-1986 as an LDS missionary. I rememb=
er hearing a
> few good Brazilian bands like RPM, Os Paralamas Do Successo, and 14 Bis=
. I
> wish I could buy more good Brazilian pop music but it seems like all th=
ey sell
> up here in the U.S. is Gilberto Gil and Ney Matogrosso or Carnival styl=
e
> music. Could you send me a list of currently popular Brazilian bands th=
at
> might be similar to great 80's bands? Thanks.

Hi, glad to know a MWH fan who knows the troubles we've got here in
Brazil. The dificulty to get albums and singles (singles, harder than
the hardest...). And knows our bands. In the middle 80's we had these
good rock / pop bands as RPM ( a kind of Brazilian Technopop in
portuguese, that has reached some sucess) who has only 3 albums ( one is
live). Another band is "Zero" which plays some with the vocalist of RPM,
only one album (something between Technopop and Gothic). And others that
hasn't got any sucess, but are the bests from Brazilian scene: as "Tek
Noir" - The best Brazilian Technopop Band - 2 albums , Alternative and
Destination, they sing in English. Another one is "Harry" (Something
between technopop and EBM), 3 albums and a colection (Harry, Fairy
Tales, Vessels Town and Chemical Archives, all these lyrics are
available at my Home Page) and the best techno-industrial Brazilian band
is "Loop B" - actually is not a band or if you rather a band of only
one. A performer that uses as instruments a wash machine, cars
equipaments, metalics, a car door, stove, and many other stuffs...

If you want lyrics for anyone of these last 3 bands you may download
from my Autobahn Project 80's lyrics page.

Autobahn Project 80's Lyrics Page -

A page dedicated to all 80's bands - Lyrics to all the best 80's bands.
Technopop, Industrial, EBM, Goth, Electro and New Romantic
And also midi files and album covers...
 at  Autobahn Project -
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

A Flock of Seagulls, A Split Second, ABC, Adam and the Ants, A-ha, Allan
Parson's Project, Alphaville, Anne Clark, Anything Box, Art of Noise,
Bauhaus, B 52's, Bel Canto, Billy Idol, Blondie, Bronski Beat, Bryan
Ferry, Cabaret Voltaire, Camouflage, Cars, Cassandra Complex, China
Crisis, Classix Nouveaux, Culture Club, Cure, David Bowie, Dead Can
Dance, Dead Kennedys, Dead or Alive, Depeche Mode, Martin Lee Gore,
De/Vision, Devo, Duran Duran, Echo & the Bunnymen, Erasure, Eurythmics,
Fad Gadget, Falco, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Front 242, Gary Numan,
Sharpe and Numan, Harry, Human League, Heaven 17, Philip Oakey and
Giorgio Moroder, Information Society, Kajagoogoo, Kim Wilde, Krafwerk,
Elektrik Musik, Les Rita Mitsouko, Men Without Hats, Mr. Mister, Naked
Eyes, New Musik, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, Nitzer
Ebb, Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark - O.M.D., Paul Hardcastle, Peter
Schilling, Pet Shop Boys, PhD, Propaganda, Real Life, Red Flag,
Revolting Cocks, Sandra, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Soft Cell, Marc
Almond, Steve Miller Band, Taco, Tek Noir, The Romantics, The Smiths,
The Twins, Thomas Dolby, Thompson Twins, Ultravox, Midge Ure, Visage,
Xymox, X-Mal Deutschland, When inRome, Yazzo, Yello, and much more at:

                    Autobahn Project 80's Lyrics Page

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

The First Brazilian 80's Web Page

Come to Know - AUTOBAHN PROJECT LYRICS PAGE

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

Come to know Autobahn Project

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

P.S. it's a bilingual page, all sentences are in English and Portuguese
                                     =20

E em portugu=EAs,


Projeto Autobahn Home Page - Letras dos anos 80
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

LETRAS! LETRAS! LETRAS! Letras de quase todas as m=FAsicas das melhores
bandas dos anos 80. Mais de 2000 letras de m=FAsica, al=E9m de arquivos m=
idi
e capas de =E1lbuns...

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

Venha conhecer a primeira p=E1gina brasileira dos anos 80
Technopop, EBM, G=F3tico, New Romantic, Industrial, New Wave e muito mais=
:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538

A Flock of Seagulls, A Split Second, ABC, Adam and the Ants, A-ha, Allan
Parson's Project, Alphaville, Anne Clark, Anything Box, Art of Noise,
Bauhaus, B 52's, Bel Canto, Billy Idol, Blondie, Bronski Beat, Bryan
Ferry, Cabaret Voltaire, Camouflage, Cars, Cassandra Complex, China
Crisis, Classix Nouveaux, Culture Club, Cure, David Bowie, Dead Can
Dance, Dead Kennedys, Dead or Alive, Depeche Mode, Martin Lee Gore,
De/Vision, Devo, Duran Duran, Echo & the Bunnymen, Erasure, Eurythmics,
Fad Gadget, Falco, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Front 242, Gary Numan,
Sharpe and Numan, Harry, Human League, Heaven 17, Philip Oakey and
Giorgio Moroder, Information Society, Kajagoogoo, Kim Wilde, Krafwerk,
Elektrik Musik, Les Rita Mitsouko, Men Without Hats, Mr. Mister, Naked
Eyes, New Musik, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, Nitzer
Ebb, Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark - O.M.D., Paul Hardcastle, Peter
Schilling, Pet Shop Boys, PhD, Propaganda, Real Life, Red Flag,
Revolting Cocks, Sandra, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Soft Cell, Marc
Almond, Steve Miller Band, Taco, Tek Noir, The Romantics, The Smiths,
The Twins, Thomas Dolby, Thompson Twins, Ultravox, Midge Ure, Visage,
Xymox, X-Mal Deutschland, When inRome, Yazzo, Yello, et=E7...
        =20
     =20
> Bill Black  ([e-mail])
>=20
> Um abraco meu amigo. E otimo ouvir dum Brasileiro. Desculpe, mas meu
> computador nao escriva a lingua portuguesa corretamente. Tchau.

    Obrigado por escrever em portugu=EAs, como pode perceber meu ingl=EAs =E9
horr=EDvel.

    Obrigado de novo pelo e-mail.

            Um abra=E7o

                    Marcos Vicente




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) UNSATISFACTION!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT)



 I think we should dedicate "Unsatisfaction" to Todd!! It's been almost 4
months and NOTHING!!!! The last scoop I heard was that a manufacturer was
making them for him because he didn't have the time. YEAH RIGHT!!  13 years
of doing mail order, and I've only got scammed once. Woops, I mean TWICE
now!!


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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) UNSATISFACTION!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 12:26:26 -0400


At 09:51 AM 10/11/97 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> I think we should dedicate "Unsatisfaction" to Todd!! It's been almost 4
>months and NOTHING!!!!

After months of remaining hopeful that Todd would come through, I too am at
the point of giving up on that source for the 3CD set.

David, are you still out there and willing to help any of us poor
unfortunate souls?  (I lost your e-mail address)

BTW - thanks everyone for the birthday wishes!




Brad Hull
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: Got 'em!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 10/10/97  11:22:02PM, you write:

<< From:    [e-mail] (Jon Stanley)

< Hi Francis,

 <I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I received my set
 <of stickers.  They look awesome!  Thanks so much!
<
< Jon Stanley
< Simulations Product Unit
< Bitva Test Lead
< Microsoft Intranet: http://jonsta_nt/ >>
<

Hey Jon!!!

No problem, I'm happy if you like them!

Ciaoo!!!

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter"
Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:55:57 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
Hey everybody!
    Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts
from the Matter (VOL III)"?
1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle?
2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it?

                        Waiting your e-mail......
                                    :)


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) This is soooo embarrassing!
Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:42:33 +0000


Hi Fellow Hatters!

Sorry to be so lame of late, but been busy busy busy at work.  I
have a non-Hats (but at least 80s-Music related), and really really
REALLY embarrassing request, but I figured, we're all friends,
right?  You'll forgive me, right?  Right??

My aunt, who has Down's Syndrome, occasionally asks for the ODDEST
things for birthday and Christmas presents.  One year it was socks.
Another year, it was scented markers.  This year, she wants (O, I
shudder) the video of Michael Jackson's "Beat It."

Question 1: Does anyone have this, and would you a) admit it and b)
be willing to either part with it or dub it onto another tape for me?

Question 2:  If no one has this (or will admit it), does anyone have
any ideas for where I might find it?

In case you haven't guessed, I am the world's *least* fan of the
Glov=E8d One.  ;-)

Thanks in advance for your help, Folk of the 80s!

PS to all in England - weird info request # 2:  When is the Trooping
of the Colour?  Is it always the 2nd Saturday in June, or a random
date, or how does that work?  Mom and Dad are going back to England
and don't want to miss it...

PPS to Saul H - Still checking my mailbox daily - when did you send
it?

PPPS to Moose - THANK YOU!!! It's AWESOME!!!!!!  You are my HERO!!!

L8R, T8Rs!!

:-) Laura


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter"
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:01:53 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
>
>         Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
> Hey everybody!
>         Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts
> from the Matter (VOL III)"?
> 1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle?
> 2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it?

I would be very happy if replies to this message were posted to the list
(I think it's general interest and I could put the info on the MWH FAQ
site). Thank you...

Claude


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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) stuff for sale (fwd)
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT)


Just thought I'd pass this on--all quiet on the digest front...
C.Frey
---------- Forwarded message ----------
I have a MWH "45 sleeve signed by Ivan in blue sharpie.  If you are
intersted, please email me asap with a bid.  Thanks and have a good day!


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From: "J.R. Bookwalter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) This is soooo embarrassing!
Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:03:53 -0800


>My aunt, who has Down's Syndrome, occasionally asks for the ODDEST
>things for birthday and Christmas presents.  One year it was socks.
>Another year, it was scented markers.  This year, she wants (O, I
>shudder) the video of Michael Jackson's "Beat It."
>
>Question 1: Does anyone have this, and would you a) admit it and b)
>be willing to either part with it or dub it onto another tape for me?
>
>Question 2:  If no one has this (or will admit it), does anyone have
>any ideas for where I might find it?
>
>In case you haven't guessed, I am the world's *least* fan of the
>Glov=E8d One.  ;-)

I hate to say it, but I rather like M.J. (Yeah, so sue me!)

I think the "Beat It" video is on MICHAEL JACKSON'S THRILLER...you =
should be able to find it in older video stores (I think it's out of =
print now...I used to have it on Beta, of all things). It should also =
be on the last video compilation that M.J. put together...HIStory =
Part One or whatever it was...?


Regards,
J.R. BOOKWALTER

Visit Tempe Entertainment on the Web:
http://www.tempevideo.com


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Michael Jackson Videos
Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:37:09 -0400


Speaking of MJ vids, did anyone see the Steve Martin parody video of
Billy Jean? I cracked up about that for days!

Dave Mattingly

ObMWH: Happy belated birthday, Ivan.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Internet address
Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT)


This message iis for William Perrin and Dale Plantz.

I received your payment but I dont have your internet address.  Could you
E-mail me

Thanks

Francis


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) GREAT mail day.....
Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:27:16 -0700


Hatters-
I went to my P.O. Box today and got my stickers from Francis along with
the cool pic...THANKS FRANCIS!!!!  Also I got 'Sideways' and 'The Spell'
from A&B Online in Vancouver.  I now have ALL of the Hats Cd's (except
ROY & FOTE3) which I will get soon on the 2fer.  Has anyone else noticed
that the lettering on the spines of 'Sideways' and 'The Spell' run the
wrong way.  I have over 500 CD's and these are the only 2 like that.
Weird how I got both of them the same day huh???  I understand why
'Sideways' would be like that (ie. sideways), but why 'The Spell'?  OK
L8R guys.

-Eric



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) GREAT mail day.....
Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:12:37 -0400 (EDT)


Hey all :)

I'm looking for any MWH albums I can find.
I have RoY on vinyl and a concert I got on tape from a good friend (Thanx,
Myke! ;)
but I'm trying to get everything on CD.

I'm looking for the CDs themselves, not copies, please.
I've already started saving extra cash for Hats stuff :D so if you're
selling, please e-mail me!



















                                                                         Nick


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Stickers,
Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:40:44 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 10/15/97  3:17:14PM, you write:

<< From:    [e-mail] (Jeff Schachter)
> Reply-to:    [e-mail]
> To:    [e-mail]
> CC:    [e-mail]

> Bonjour Francis!
>
> I got my stickers yesterday!  They look great!  I still don't know what I'm
> going to do with so many, but I'll find something :)
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jeff >>



Hey Jeff.

I'm glad that you like them.

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Stickers, third shipment is coming soon
Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT)


Hey stickers list!

ok, I'm gonna ship the third shipment soon.

Some people from the first shipment did not receive their labels yet.  If so,
could you E-mail me, to be sure.....  IT''s take a long time.....

Ciao

Francis



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From: STERLING BARKER <[e-mail]>
Date: 17 Oct 1997 13:50:13 +1000 (EST)


Hi there!

I'd like to introduce myself.
My name is Sterling. I've been a MWH fan since 1983, but it's taken
until now to find any other fans!

You see, I live in Australia (you can stop laughing now), and
unfortunately, the music industry here has been blatently rock-based for
too many moons. Rock is what they know, so rock is what they play. Pretty
sad really. It means that I never here MWH on the radio, and it's next to
impossible to get anything into the country. God bless the internet!

Anyhow, I thought I'd drop a line to say Hi and to let you all know that
I'm here. I found an oasis in the cultural desert!!


Here's a list of what I've been able to grab from Australia and whilst
living in the U.K.: (everything is vinyl unless otherwise noted)


1979 LP   Rhythm of Youth    - U.S. promo-release.
1982 7"   Safety Dance
1982 12"  The Safety Dance
1982 7"   I got the message      - U.K. release
1982 LP   Rhythm of Youth
1982 LP   Rhythm of Youth        - U.K. release picture disc
1983 7"   I Like                 - released in Belgium (I think)
1983 7"   Living in China
1983 12"  Living in China        - U.K. release
1983 cas  Rhythm of Youth        - U.S. release with different tracks
1984 7"   Where do the Boys Go?
1984 12"  Where do the Boys Go?
1984 LP   Folk of the 80's (III)
1984 LP   Folk of the 80's (III) - German release with different cover
1985 cas  Freeways               - Canadian release
1987 7"   Pop goes the World     - U.S. release
1987 12"  Pop goes the World
1987 cd7" Pop goes the World     - U.S. promo
1987 cd7" Moonbeam               - U.S. release
1987 12"  Moonbeam               - U.S. release
1987 LP   Pop goes the World     - U.S. release
1989 LP   21st Century           - U.S. release
1993 cd7" Safety Dance           - German remix
1996 cd   Collection             - Oglio U.S. release


Well that's it. As you can see, I'm missing things. I can't order Sideways
or The Spell, as nobody here has any connections with Canadian exporting.
Can anyone recommend a reliable shop on the internet?

I'd really like a vinyl/cd copy of 'Freeways' (I've played it to death,
because it really works!), or a 7" single of 'Antarctica' (I think). I
believe there's a B-side called 'Inner Surface' on it? Also where can I
get a poster(etc) of MWH to grace the walls of my studio?



Well, it's been nice talking to you all.
I'm feeling really inspired now, so I think I going to put the
'Collection' on and pump it up...



Regards,


Sterling



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From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Au Revoir from Angie
Date: 18 Oct 1997 14:04:07 -0400


Hello, all.  Angie here.  Don't let the e-mail address fool you...I am wi=
th
a friend in Montr=E9al (also a list member) who has been kind enough to a=
llow me
to use his computer to send this message to you all.
   First, I would like to say that this is my second trip to the birthpla=
ce of
Men Without Hats within 2 months.  I have been here about a week, and the=
 more
I see of this beautiful city, the more I love it. Je suis tr=E9s, tr=E9s =
heureux
etre ici!
   I would also like to say that Francis and I intended to meet with one =
another
earlier this week, but again, due to circumstances beyond our control, we=
 were
unable to get together.  I did, however, meet with Claude, and that was a=
 good
time as always. We discussed the private show, and plans are continuing t=
o
move forward.
In a simple sentence, things look good!
   Mainly, my purpose for this message is to tell you all that due to
circumstances beyond MY control, I am moving away from the Massachusetts-=
Rhode
Island area this weekend.  This means I will be unable to send or receive
e-mail for a while.  I must unsubscribe to the Hats list until I can find=
 a
library or other outlet in my new home area that will allow me to utilize=
 a
computer for e-mail purposes.  Hopefully it won't take me long. (As most =
of
you know, I don't have my own computer. Due to my circumstances, that goa=
l is
unattainable for a while, at least.)
   Happily, I am moving to the Burlington, Vermont area to be near some
friends of mine.  This means I will only be one and a half hours from
Montr=E9al!!! It won't cost me as much to visit here, and it won't cost a=
s much
in phone tolls to call here for information about the show.  I used to li=
ve in
Northern Vermont 15 years ago...it's a very beautiful place, with its rol=
ling
green hills, tall snow-capped mountains, maple trees and clearwater lakes=
...I
can't wait to go back!
   Just so you'll know, Francis and I are still dedicated to making the
promised private concert a reality. We are doing the best we can and if I
can't keep you all up to date on developments, Francis will.
   My departure from the list, you can be assured, is only temporary.  I =
hope
you will all remain well until I speak to you again.

   Love to all,

    Angie  :-)


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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Todds boots
Date: 20 Oct 1997 21:16:45 +0200


Hi Hatters!

Has anybody got Todd's boots or the money back? I haven't heard anything
from him since he told me to send his massage to the list.

I have saved most of the e-mails concerning Todd incl. the P.O. adress
of Maple Studios.

Please e-mail me if you have any suggestions.

Does anybody live near South Bend, IN 46660?

Thomas


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From: Jill Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) (no subject)
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:51:30 -0400


Hello everybody,  I am a new member to this list and look forward to
many discussions about MWH.  I live in Cincinnati, OH and have been a
MWH fan from the beginning.  I always thought I was alone, but am very
excited that there are others who believe in the sound of the band.  I
am also glad to learn that the music nor the band are totally extinct.
I hope to reply to many of you in the coming months.  Thanks, Bill


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan's show....
Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:13:17 -0400 (EDT)


Maybe I am overreacting.

Maybe I see black clouds everywhere.

I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had to add
this comment.

I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S concent.   Everything
started from a very good idea that Angie had, (thank you by the way) but I'll
be taking care of everything from here on.


I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all.

Francis


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stirring the pot
Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:25:20 -0700


Hatters-
First of all, on "Greatest Hats CD", has anyone else noticed a 'little
crackling noise' 9 seconds into Freeways?  Is it my CD, or a CD
problem????  Secondly, it has been almost a week since I got "Sideways"
and "The Spell" and I have come to my conclusions.  First the good news:
"The Spell" rules!  This is a great album.  Tracks 3 and 7 stick out.
Now for the bad news: to put it mildly, "Sideways" is not very good.
Now, before you get all worked up, I may warm up to it, but it is
unlikely.  Well, I am outta here.
-Eric

P.S.  Did I miss something with this whole Francis / Angie thing??????



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From: "AJ Langfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show....
Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:36:41 -0700


Where is there confusion?  What did Angie say that bothered you?
What is the concern that you have to repeatedly announce that you are "in
charge" of the concert?  Fine, you are organizing the concert (much
appreciated) with everyone's support and input - Angie is part of everyone
isn't she?  If she is willing to devote time to help plan the event, great -
it helps us all.

Francis - I think there are several misunderstandings stemming from the
English to French translation some of us have to make.  Let's just be
friends here.

I've really got to go back to the survey "discussion" because it still does
not seem right where we left off - that we require Ivan to play a number of
songs off the survey list.  Let's give him the list though just no requests
or demands to play 5 or 10 or 12 of the songs.

I'm sure it's obvious to Ivan, that he'd disappoint and maybe lose some fans
who travel all that way for the concert only to hear songs from _The Spell_,
but that should be his choice.  He recognizes that these are some of his
biggest fans from around the world who have made a tremendous effort to come
to the concert.  There should be some mutual respect.  I'm sure he respects
us, his Hats fans, enough to play those great Hats songs and we should
respect him enough to let him play what he wants to for us.

Although _several_ people have expressed this same sentiment, I believe the
"official" stance of the organizer is still as stated in  these last two
messages on the subject  -

9/30
---------
I will not tell to Ivan we want the 15 songs, but most of them.  It means
that we are ready for surprise, but most of the songs has to be our choice.

10/2
---------
I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing.

Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted
songs.  Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan
to play them because the majority of the people want them.

So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs
on15 and play them.


-----Original Message-----

>Maybe I am overreacting.
>
>Maybe I see black clouds everywhere.
>
>I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had
>to add this comment.
>
>I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S
>concent.   Everything started from a very good idea that Angie
>had, (thank you by the way) but I'll be taking care of everything
>from here on.
>
>I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all.
>
>Francis


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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Superbadgirls Video
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:04:06 -0400


At 7:35pm EST tonight (Tuesday Oct 21) MuchMusic played the Superbadgirls
video.

Lots of lips, Ivan's dancers (getting pretty friendly), strobe effects, and
the entire video was like watching a poorly tracking movie.  The frames
kept panning across the screen from right to left.  I don't know if this
description makes any sense or not, all I can say is it makes it really
hard to watch and left me feeling like the room was spinning! (not unlike
how I feel after dancing!)

Still, with such a great tune it makes a great video.

Later, taters!
Brad Hull
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From: Brad Hull <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show....
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:18:27 -0400


After reading so many posts about what I am now calling "The Concert of My
Life", I have revised my initial reaction to the survey results.

I love all of Ivan's work enough to be happy with whatever HE chooses to
play.  Sure, some of the "greatest" would be fantastic and I'm sure they
will be played, but I'm no longer hung up on hearing my own favs.  As such,
I will not be participating in the second round of voting (nothing personal
Dr. Laura, I just readjusted my philosophy!).

I am just looking forward to the opportunity to see my favourite artist
performing for a select group of his greatest fans.  As so many others have
said, this is the type of opportunity that very few fans ever get to even
seriously CONSIDER, let alone actually DO!

So, Francis and anyone else who is working so hard on our behalf, keep up
the fantastic work!  I can't wait to meet all of you in Montreal in '98!

Just my latest opinion.

Brad Hull
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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) looking to trade..
Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:53:50 -0700


Hi all,

I'm looking for the following CD:

        "In the 21st Century" CDsingle 874809-2D

..and will trade one of the bootleg discs (your choice) for it.  If
anyone has access to this disc and is interested in swapping, please let
me know.

Best,

Jim
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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter"
Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:57:59 -0700


Hello,

"Excerpts From Matter (Vol. III)" was pressed by Mainstream Records (ie.
Colin & Ivan), contains 4 songs and has no catalog number.

It used to be you could order this directly from Mainstream.. I don't
know if they're still making them or not.

Best,

Jim
[e-mail]
http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>         Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
> Hey everybody!
>         Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts
> from the Matter (VOL III)"?
> 1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle?
> 2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it?
>
>                                                 Waiting your e-mail......
>                                                                         :)


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From: kris potts <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) no dancing
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:25:02 -0500


i am needing to find a copy of "folk of the 80's III" cd.  or any cd that has "no dancing" on it.
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From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show....
Date: 22 Oct 1997 17:56:52 -0400


Brad Hull wrote:

> So, Francis and anyone else who is working so hard on our behalf, keep
> up
> the fantastic work!  I can't wait to meet all of you in Montreal in
> '98!
>  =

>  =


   I love that...: Montreal Tour 1998! ;-)

Al.

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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show....
Date: 22 Oct 1997 20:19:18 -0400



> > Maybe I am overreacting.
>

 No This is great!!!!
 read below.  :-)


> > Maybe I see black clouds everywhere.
>
>
> > I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had to
> add
> > this comment.
> >
> > I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S concent.
> Everything
> > started from a very good idea that Angie had, (thank you by the way)
but
> I'll
> > be taking care of everything from here on.
> >
> >
> > I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all.
SURE DOES!!!!

 I think that friendly competition is a good thing.   Now that all of the
 fans on this list are trying to outdo one another, this means that we will
 all get more stuff, and get to see more shows.

 I say, Francis & Angie, keep on going!!!!

 And while you are at it, why dont we do this?

 The first one to get a copy of the outtakes and unreleased material to me
 wins once and for all!!!!!  :-)
 Its not over between you two until someone talks to TOX or Ivan about
this,
 then we will see who the #1 fan really is.
 Is it Francis, Claude, Angie, ????  We shall see......

 How exciting..... you have got to love this everyone!

 Then I can make copies for all of us.

hehe.  After all, we ALL have the same goals, don't we.
Montreal '98 or bust.


 Tom
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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Announcement: Upcoming CD with MwoH content :)
Date: 23 Oct 1997 02:05:39 -0500 (CDT)


Hi all,

I'd like to announce that The Washington University (in St. Louis)
Amateurs, the student-run co-ed a capella group I am now director of, are
going to be releasing their first CD around the end of October/beginning
of November.  On the CD (which, to be truthful, IS of varying quality -
some really good, some I'd skip :) ) you can hear us perform Ban the Game
and Where Do the Boys Go? (and 14 lovely non-MwoH tunes).

The track list is:
 1 Ban the Game                 Men Without Hats
 2 Where Do the Boys Go?        Men Without Hats
 3 V.F.D.                       Michelle Shocked
 4 Games Without Frontiers      Peter Gabriel
 5 American Tune                Paul Simon
 6 Come Sail Away               Styx
 7 Exquisite Dead Guy           They Might Be Giants
 8 Total Eclipse of the Heart   Bonnie Tyler
 9 Land of Confusion            Genesis
10 California Dreamin'          The Mamas and the Papas
11 High Hopes                   Pink Floyd
12 Good Enough for Granddad     The Squirrel Nut Zippers
13 Shooting Star        Harry Chapin
14 Satellite            Dave Matthews Band
15 Washing of the Water        Peter Gabriel
16 King of Spain        Moxy Fruvous

Please visit http://www.rescomp.wustl.edu/~amateurs/BlueCD/ for (not much)
more information, and to download Ban the Game in 8bit 22kHz mono AIFF
format (1.3 MB, or 862k zipped).

If you decide to visit the page, listen to the sample, order a copy, have
a question, or just be friendly, we'd love to hear from you.  Write to
[e-mail] or hit the mail link on the page (same
address).

Thanks for your time :)
Woody



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Subject: Re: (hats) Superbadgirls Video
Date: 23 Oct 1997 20:06:55 -0400 (EDT)


Hi!

I guess Suepr bad girls is a better video than Open your eyes.
I found the video very interesting, hard to follow but interesting!

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (Angela Tooley)
Subject: (hats) It's me again...
Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:17:50 -0400 (EDT)




Hi, everyone, it's Angie...I had to spend an extra day in Rhode Island and I
dropped by the library to see if they hade closed my e-mail account and...
apparently, they did not.

At any rate, although Francis is the "official organizer" of the '98 Montreal
Tour, I hope he or SOMEBODY keeps in touch with me to let me know how it is
going. I have given him my new phone number in Vermont.  I am really excited to see how much progress we are making and will consider the whole thing a success
once the contracts are signed!!!  I have told you before and I will tell you
again, I am devoted to seeing this whole thing come together and I will do
everything I can to make it a reality.  I think Ivan deserves to have a look
at the huge worldwide fan base he has maintained, and I can't wait to meet
all of you myself!!!

Personally, I did not know there was any kind of "rivalry" between Francis and I
until I read his list posting about the black clouds. Not a pretty way too
describe what will hopefully be the concert of a lifetime in June 1998.  H
However, although this imaginary black cloud has appeared over the heads of
Francis and I, I hope to continue to be able to count on him to get the job d
done.  So far his efforts have made me very proud and I am really thankful
that he has been able to take it upon himself to do this for us all. Even
though he is busy with work & family, I am glad to see he is devoting some
spare time to making this dream a reality. I know he wants to see it come
together as badly as you and I do.

I will be back on line as soon as I can get a new account in Burlington. Mean-
while, I will stay in touch with my friends in Montreal and track the pro-
gress of this private show!!!

Au revoir!

Angie  ;-)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) about the "The Spell"
Date: 23 Oct 1997 11:13:44 -0003


    Claudio Jr. (BRASIL)
Hey everybody
    On Thuesday of this week I received by air mail the CD "the
Spell" and I think that Ivan in this album decreases musically. Really,
the songs "the spell" and "Open your eyes" are the best of this tittle
because they present more melodical variations instead of other musics
that are so trivial. The album "The Spell"(except these 2 songs) is very
weak..........so I expect the revolutionary Ivan again in the MWH!!!!!!
    It was a something different work of Ivan but it doesn't mean that
was a good work!
                        Waiting your opinion about it...



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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stirring the Pot - UPDATE
Date: 24 Oct 1997 00:28:45 -0700


Hatters-
Well, I have warmed up to 'Sideways' a little.  I thought that I would.
Tracks 1,2, and KenBarbieLove are my favorites so far.  Two questions
that I would like answered:
1-Why is KenBarbieLove listed as track 7, but is 8 in reality?
2-Anyone else notice the 'scratch' on 'Freeways' on 'Greatest Hats'?
(It's 9 sec. in on the CD).
Thats about it.
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Stirring the Pot - UPDATE
Date: 24 Oct 1997 08:00:18 -0400


Eric asks:
>1-Why is KenBarbieLove listed as track 7, but is 8 in reality?

Good catch, Eric. It's been there all along, but I never noticed that on
the CD itself, they forget to list Everybody Wants to Know...

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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Sthlm Synth Festival
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:29:56 +0200


Anyone going to Stockholm Synth Festival ?
(Front 242, Rational Youth etc, http://www.strokemusic.se/festival.htm)


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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) freeways scratch
Date: 24 Oct 1997 09:50:18 -0400


> 2-Anyone else notice the 'scratch' on 'Freeways' on 'Greatest Hats'?

Eric,
The Freeways Bootleg CD actually sounds better for that track because of
this.

The bootleg Freeways (euromix) is from a sealed new LP, no scratches,
sounds like CD.

The Greatest Hats version is from an old Freeways LP, thus is sounds like
it came from a record.

Now my question is , "Who has the real studio master tapes, if the record
label doesn't?  No one?"

Why are they copying records onto CDs???????

I want to see an official CD release of Freeways that sounds as good as the
2fer (good job Carl) or a Pop Goes the World CD.

Wouldn't this be great????

Tom
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) We need a name, don't we?
Date: 22 Oct 1997 19:53:28 -0400


Montreal Tour 1998.  I like the idea.  But it really isn't a tour.  It's a
performance.  How about if we think up a name for this one?  Or is that
Ivan's decision?


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From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 12:50:23 -0400


Performance: I love that word! How about something as simple as
"Montreal Performance 1998" or "Performance: Montreal 1998" ? But MWH
should be somewhere in the name...

I think that having a name for that event is something important. It
would be great to have some material made with the name we'll choose
(T-shirts, etc.).

Al.

Daniele Rossi wrote:

> Montreal Tour 1998.  I like the idea.  But it really isn't a tour.
> It's a
> performance.  How about if we think up a name for this one?  Or is
> that
> Ivan's decision?





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) (Hats)Trade, sell, helpmeout!
Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:01:16 -0400 (EDT)


Hi all. I've just now had time to read my mail and I don't know if any
responses to my last question to trade/buy made it to me.

I'm willing to trade anything on CD (the real mccoy or a copy) except for the
Collection which I already have ;)

BTW: Someone asked about who I got a concert tape from. I lost that letter
>blush< and I'd like to contact you with an answer.















                                                                         Keep
it Hats!




















                                                                      Nikolai


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:23:27 -0400 (EDT)


    Here are my ideas for tour names. The second one is catchy.
Simple...but hey, simple minds have something or other (I forget the
quote)

 Back to Hats.
    Return of Hats.
        Hats '98


Collin



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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:40:24 +0000


What about:

HATS OFF!

It's both simple and full of hidden meanings ;o)

Claude


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) about the "The Spell"
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:14:30 +0000


Claudio Jr. wrote:
>
> I received "the Spell" and I think that Ivan in this album decreases > musically. Really, the songs "the spell" and "Open your eyes" are
> the best of this tittle because they present more melodical
> variations instead of other musics that are so trivial. The album
> "The Spell"(except these 2 songs) is very weak..........
> It was a something different work of Ivan but it doesn't mean that
> was a good work!
> Waiting your opinion about it...

Well Claudio, opinions are debatable. Here is mine. I think that Ivan's
musical evolution, as showned in his recorded work, has always been for
the better. I don't think the value of a pop song has to be measured
solely on its commercial success or on its ability to fullfill fan's
expectations. Ivan never stayed in a musical style long enough to have
an hat put on him (or a tag). He got us used to expect the unexpected
("Sideways" being the ultimate example of this). "The Spell" falls well
in Ivan's "continuity". It shows an artist still playing with the
different possibilities of the pop genre, with more than interesting
results! Musically, I think it's his most mature work (I'm only talking
about what is available on the market).

I don't enjoy MWH because they use synths; Just because they do plain
good music, with lyrics I can relate to. I also enjoy the fact that they
succeed in proposing me with lots of different things, while keeping
what makes them the Hats...

So Claudio, I'm not telling you that you have to like "The Spell". But
before saying that it is weak, pay more attention to it. You'll see it
is indeed very strong. Now you don't have to like it even if you admit
it is strong, but I do...

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH stickers.
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:36:15 -0400 (EDT)


Hi everyone,

Due to some people who did not take their responsabilities, I have over 800
stickers to sell.

It's 8$,  in U.s. fund   for 100 stickers.  plus 3$ for shipping.

If you are interested, please E-mail me!

Francis


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From: Kajjia Goria <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FREEWAYS!!!!!!
Date: 24 Oct 1997 17:33:43 -0700


Well, folks, I finally got paid and now it's time to ask..
Does anyone hve the Freeways bootleg CD for sale?  I would prefer one
stright from the one who made them, but I would take used,  Thanx much
folks.  I am also saving up for the trip to Montreal this summer.  catch ya
latez!

P.S. I updted the picture on y web page (http://kajjia.home.ml.org), and
I'd liike some input.  -=)

Aaron Gitlin
http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page
http://menwohats.home.ml.org } MWH Page
Security, everyone feels better with...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH stickers   LIST OF PEOPLE
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:54:53 -0400 (EDT)


Hi everyone.
I guess you red my message regarding the stickers.  Just to tell you, the
stickers cost me 524$ and I received 310$.
I have to pay from my pocket 200$.

That's why I'm not very happy.

Here is the list of the people who did not take their stickers
-------
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Bday0000
[e-mail]
--------

For the people who sent their money, here is the status of your shipment.  I
did 3 shipments.  The third one was last thursday.


The name with a " * "  at the beginning, you were in the THIRD shipment.
---------------------------
jupiter-8@juno         DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
ElKrupla   DONE
[e-mail]  DONE
[e-mail]  DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]    DONE
[e-mail]        DONE
* [e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]  DONE
* [e-mail]    DONE
* [e-mail]   DONE
* [e-mail]  DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
* [e-mail]   DONE
* [e-mail]   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE
AJP1313   DONE
[e-mail]   DONE


Thanks for reading!

Ciao

Francis


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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) A T-story
Date: 25 Oct 1997 18:36:17 -0700


Hi!

A while back, someone was asking for stories about reactions to their
MWH T's - I have one now...

Short version: Somebody thought the shirt meant I was a lesbian.

Long version: My friend Diane and I went to the North Carolina State
Fair yesterday, and we were both wearing T-shirts (I was wearing the MWH
one, obviously), with plaid flannel shirts over them (I had a buffalo
plaid, Diane a tartan), jeans, and hiking boots.  Dressed down for
slumming at the fair, obviously.  We were having lunch, seated next to
each other at a long table, and a couple (man and woman) sat down across
from us.  Diane and I had stickers on our shirts that we got from the
Ostrich farmers display, and so we and the couple talked about odd
things that we had eaten (bear, venison, alligator, etc.).  The man was
looking at us a bit oddly (Diane told me later), and asked, "So are you
*both* from Florida?" (something that I had mentioned re: eating
alligator).  I went on blithely while Diane nearly laughed so hard she
had lemonade coming out of her nose.  She explained to poor naive me
later that the man thought that we were *together,* a conclusion which
was probably helped along by my "No Men" shirt!

Well, I thought it was funny!

CUL8R!!

;-) Laura


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From: Charles Garbowski <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) t-shirts
Date: 27 Oct 1997 16:08:38 -0500 (EST)



Hi all, are there any t-shirts still available.  If so how much, etc?
You can e-mail directly instead of the entire list.

Thanks
Charlie


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From: STERLING BARKER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats Tour
Date: 28 Oct 1997 09:20:58 +1000 (EST)


Dear All,

I came in late to the news, so could someone explain the Ivan concert to
me? Do I have to have a secret handshake to attend, or do I have to be
recognised as a 'true' fan to attend (I'd fly from Australia to see the
show if that qualifies me!). Also, you've all been tossing up names for
the show, so here's a few more ideas...

'Head for the Hats'
'The Hat Stand'
'Ivan unusually large Hat' (a terrible play-on-words there...sorry)
'Hats all Folks' (another bad joke)
'Man Without Hat'


Actually, after having anouther look at those ideas, they're all pretty
crap. Sorry.



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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hmmm...
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:14:19 -0500 (EST)


Taking a clue from Sterling there,

I submit...

The One Night Hat Stand

;-)

Myke

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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Sideways
Date: 29 Oct 1997 03:44:31 -0800


Hatters-
First of all, I would like to apologize for my earlier comments
regarding 'Sideways'.  The album is starting to grow on me.  I never
like albums when I first listen to them, and this one was no different,
however I now like it and in a couple of more weeks it could become a
favorite.
Secondly, there was a lot of talk about the Aqua CD on this list a
couple of weeks ago.  In my opinion the CD kicks butt.  It is REALLY
GOOD!  For those of you who don't have it I would rate it as a strong
reccomend.
Thirdly, I am in charge of the whole Montreal Show and all further
correspondence regarding this show should be addressed to ME ONLY.  JUST
KIDDING!!!!
Fourthly(?), I have lost interest in my 'Men Without Hats' site index
<http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom> and am probably going to 'pull
it' soon.  If anyone wants to use the animated GIFS or links, take them
soon.  The F.A.Q. site is MUCH better, and I don't really have the time
or motivation to improve mine.

Later Dudes (and Dudettes),
-Eric


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Eric Soderblom!
Date: 29 Oct 1997 23:06:41 -0500 (EST)


Please email me.  It's not urgent, but I have misplaced your email
address and have something to tell you.

Myke

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